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OTHER THINGS IN THE WORLD THAN MUSIC => Everything and Nothing => Topic started by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 10:56:01 AM

Title: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 10:56:01 AM
Here's a test topic for the new Simple Machines Forum.

 :)

Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 11:57:42 AM
A very exciting reply.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 12:00:21 PM
Hey, it works.

We're both newbies, looks like...

 >:(
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 12:35:56 PM
ooooh... I'm a "global moderator" - that sounds so... global.   :)
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 12:36:46 PM
I want to be a global moderator !   >:(

APK


jkn edit... just wanted to make sure I can edit APK's posts.   Ha!
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 12:39:07 PM
This really is a wussie blue.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 12:45:05 PM
I tossed in a "customer title" in my profile for fun.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 12:47:22 PM
I want to be a global moderator !   >:(

APK

I'll make you a mod if you want.  It is a HUGE responsibility, like being a jedi, though.

 :)
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 12:48:13 PM
This really is a wussie blue.


I know, I hate this theme.

Overall, I like the Forum layout OK but this themes all have problems.  Of course, the same thing is true of the phpBB forum too.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 12:51:53 PM
I don't know - I don't mind the blue so much.    If you like the functionality - keep with it for now.   You can always tweak the theme later...

ah... I see you've tweaked it a bit already. 
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 12:53:21 PM
I want to be a global moderator !   >:(

APK

I'll make you a mod if you want.  It is a HUGE responsibility, like being a jedi, though.

 :)


Yes - you have to read all my whining in the secret forum.   Run while you can.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 12:55:42 PM
Yeah, I sent you an email complaining about the blue. Too washy/faded, and messes with the white text.
And the blue on posts blends the different posts too much. I'd look for a theme with a bit more differentiation.

And as I also said in the email, I don't mind being a moderator ... I'm checking the forum a lot and wield a mean lightsabre. Everything I know I learned form Obi-John  ;D


APK
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Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 12:56:44 PM
This new purple-ish theme is better than the blue. For sure.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 12:56:56 PM
Yeah, I sent you an email complaining about the blue. Too washy/faded, and messes with the white text.
And the blue on posts blends the different posts too much. I'd look for a theme with a bit more differentiation.

And as I also said in the email, I don't mind being a moderator ... I'm checking the forum a lot and wield a mean lightsabre. Everything I know I learned form Obi-John  ;D


APK
-------------------

What are you talking about?  You're already a Global Moderator, see?
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 12:58:18 PM
The emoticons are too small to be clearly recognizable on my monitor.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
Ah ... I am a man of moderation !
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 01:08:09 PM
Yep, I think this current version is quite usable and pleasant enough.

APK
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 01:17:29 PM
Agreed.   Big improvement over the other one which was harder to read.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jblock on December 06, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
Glad to see we are back.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 01:34:11 PM
Yep, its been a tough 48 hours !!
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: Antdude on December 06, 2007, 01:36:36 PM
Yay, the lines of communication are open once again.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: Scott M2 on December 06, 2007, 01:54:48 PM
IMO Test Topic has never recaptured the quality of work they created
in the 70s and early 80s - up to and including Underwater Moonlight.
They remain an inspiration however!   ;D

Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: Scott M2 on December 06, 2007, 02:05:40 PM
PS... I'm viewing the new forum at work on IE6 using "smallest" text size
and everything seems clear and legible (with my glasses on).

I like the current colours - steely blues with just a hint of Mother of Pearl.   :)
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 02:12:27 PM
Let me tell you all, my life has sucked for the past 48 hours.  But I do know more about mySQL than I did before, at least.

Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: hdibrell on December 06, 2007, 02:15:41 PM
Hello,  I've been lost and trying to find my way home. Is this it? :) Glad to see the forum back. You don't realize how much you enjoy something until it's gone.   Harry D
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: ffcal on December 06, 2007, 02:22:37 PM
Hey, Mike, thanks for your efforts in getting the forum up and running again.  Everything looks fine and readible in IE 6.0.

Forrest
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 06, 2007, 02:34:38 PM
Good point - works in Firefox and IE7 just fine.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Undershadow on December 06, 2007, 02:36:36 PM
Hello. Is this thing on?
So pale bue and white is The New Black, I see  ;)
Nnnniiiice.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 02:37:27 PM
I'm glad to see everyone making their way over here.  We now have 14 members signed up, which of course is less than the 1,000 or so we had on the old Forum, but then most of those members were inactive, and this new Forum was only unveiled right before I went to lunch today.

I hate to think that many of our interesting topics may be (probably are) lost, but I'll try to re-create some of the most important or popular topics on here, and others should feel free to do the same.

One other thing:  JKN remains a moderator on the Forum as before, and I have also made APK a moderator, as our second moderator on the old Forum, Numina, doesn't come around nearly as much any more.

So, thanks to APK for agreeing to take on the moderator tasks, and thanks to everybody else for keeping the faith and stopping in here to check this place out.  I'll do my best to make it worth your while, and make this place even better than the old one.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 02:38:28 PM
Hello. Is this thing on?
So pale bue and white is The New Black, I see  ;)
Nnnniiiice.

We're all united in our hatred of this default theme, and I'll try to create a better one soon.  First things first, just trying to get this thing working, then I'll make it look better.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Undershadow on December 06, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
Numina, doesn't come around nearly as much any more

Numina is away. APK is our homeboy.
Sooooo... what about them Seahawks...?  ;)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jblock on December 06, 2007, 02:45:28 PM
You can choose a different theme under the Profile tab. Oh, and the forum looks fine using Safari on a Mac.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 02:50:24 PM
I've tested it on the following browsers and it's fine on all:

Windows IE 6
Windows IE 7
Windows Safari
Windows Firefox 2

Mac Safari
Mac Firefox 2

Linux (Ubuntu, Gnome) Firebox

Haven't tested Camino, Opera or anything on Windows Mobile (but the previous Hypnos Forum looked like crap on Windows Mobile IE anyway)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 02:55:10 PM
You can choose a different theme under the Profile tab. Oh, and the forum looks fine using Safari on a Mac.

Yep, the Classic YaBB SE theme , for example, is a nice, more defined variant on the default.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 03:06:50 PM
I don't like this theme myself.  Not enough contrast between posts. But I like the
effects
... - J.

Welcome, Jesse.

And since you showed up immediately after I told everybody you weren't coming around as much (resulting in me making constantly-online-all-the-time Forum member APK into a new moderator), you show up here.  So I'll clarify for the record that I switched moderators not as any kind of swipe against Jesse, just because he really hasn't been here much at all lately... except right now.

Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Joe R on December 06, 2007, 03:20:29 PM
Whew! I was going through "forum withdrawal".

Just what exactly happened here? And it really sucks that all the previous posts are gone! >:(
The emoticons are small and blotchy...  But it seems that thereis moreoptions for the text.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Scott M2 on December 06, 2007, 03:23:50 PM
 :)    ;)    :D    ;D    >:(    :(    :o    8)    ???    ::)    :P    :-[    :-X    :-\    :-*    :'(      Hi Jesse!   :)    ;)    :D    ;D    >:(    :(    :o    8)    ???    ::)    :P    :-[    :-X    :-\    :-*    :'(    
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: kawera on December 06, 2007, 03:48:23 PM
Too bad about the old forum and all the posts. It was actually a very good source of information. I searched through it for discussions of artists every now and then and something interesting nearly always surfaced.

Anyhow, I'm glad the forum is back!  :)

//Kasper
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 03:57:53 PM
Believe me, I'm as sorry as anyone about the loss of legacy Forum content... if I was just going to start fresh like this, I could have saved myself a couple dozen hours work and just done that at the beginning.

But I'm trying to remember, this place will fill up quickly with new members and new content, and the most interesting old ideas will be brought up here again, I think.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: cromag on December 06, 2007, 04:23:31 PM
Glad to see the forum up and running.  Always fun to have ... interesting ... and unexpected ... tasks pop up in the holiday season!

I for one have no problem with the light blue theme, other than it is exactly like another (Simple Machines) forum I post on, and I'm easily confused!


Thanks again for your effort!  I appreciate it!
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Scott M2 on December 06, 2007, 04:51:44 PM
Believe me, I'm as sorry as anyone about the loss of legacy Forum content... if I was just going to start fresh like this, I could have saved myself a couple dozen hours work and just done that at the beginning.

But I'm trying to remember, this place will fill up quickly with new members and new content, and the most interesting old ideas will be brought up here again, I think.

I thought that the Wayback Machine might help - but no go.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.hypnos.com/phpbb/ (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.hypnos.com/phpbb/)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 05:15:46 PM
I'm very gratified that there are already 30 members signed up, in just the few hours since this new location was made public.

I've been posting the announcement around, so that news should continue to spread.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: drkappa on December 06, 2007, 05:21:27 PM
Test message to say I like the blue.

Dare one ask what happened to the backups? ???

I'm running under Centos4 Firefox.  What's Firebox?
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 05:33:23 PM
"What about the backups?" is a much longer and more tiring story than I'm prepared to tell right now.  Let's just say that most of the Hypnos site, the kind that resides in discrete files (html, php, txt, jpg and so on) that I can upload and download, is well and frequently backed-up.  The data underlying the Hypnos Forum is a batch of complex mySQL data kept in a huge file on the web site host's server, and that part is not readily backed-up by the user (or at least I didn't know how to do it until now). Worse, in the course of trying to comply with the web host's complete lockdown of that data, I deleted a bunch of old, redundant data (like the old, old Hypnos Forum on UBB software), as well as one bit of not-old, not-redundant data that was crucial to the running of the Forum. 

The story of why I can't get the web hosts to just restore the database to its prior state, is the long, tiring and depressing part.  Let's just say I have come to truly hate the web hosting company that hosts hypnos.com, and that they will not be hosting the site much longer, but in the mean time, the Hypnos Forum as we know it will just have to start fresh.  Maybe if I hadn't been banging my head up against the brick wall that is ValueWeb tech support for the past 2 days, I would have been able to solve this problem more elegantly.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on December 06, 2007, 05:59:47 PM
oh oh oh...what am I???:)


Yeah, I sent you an email complaining about the blue. Too washy/faded, and messes with the white text.
And the blue on posts blends the different posts too much. I'd look for a theme with a bit more differentiation.

And as I also said in the email, I don't mind being a moderator ... I'm checking the forum a lot and wield a mean lightsabre. Everything I know I learned form Obi-John  ;D


APK
-------------------

What are you talking about?  You're already a Global Moderator, see?
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on December 06, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
hehehe..I thought it was, 'Can you hear me now':)


Hello. Is this thing on?
So pale bue and white is The New Black, I see  ;)
Nnnniiiice.
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on December 06, 2007, 06:06:33 PM
Damn...I am a 'newbie' again:) hahahah

oh oh oh...what am I???:)


Yeah, I sent you an email complaining about the blue. Too washy/faded, and messes with the white text.
And the blue on posts blends the different posts too much. I'd look for a theme with a bit more differentiation.

And as I also said in the email, I don't mind being a moderator ... I'm checking the forum a lot and wield a mean lightsabre. Everything I know I learned form Obi-John  ;D


APK
-------------------

What are you talking about?  You're already a Global Moderator, see?
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Altus on December 06, 2007, 06:35:27 PM
One nice thing about the updated forum software is I can consistently log into the forum now.  For some reason Vista, Firefox and the old forum didn't like each other and I could only log in 25% of the time.
It's a shame to have lost everything, but like you said, it'll all come back sooner or later.

Thanks for your hard work in getting back online!   ;D
Title: Re: Test topic, new SMF forum
Post by: jim brenholts on December 06, 2007, 06:37:38 PM
Damn...I am a 'newbie' again:) hahahah

oh oh oh...what am I???:)


Yeah, I sent you an email complaining about the blue. Too washy/faded, and messes with the white text.
And the blue on posts blends the different posts too much. I'd look for a theme with a bit more differentiation.

And as I also said in the email, I don't mind being a moderator ... I'm checking the forum a lot and wield a mean lightsabre. Everything I know I learned form Obi-John  ;D


APK
-------------------

What are you talking about?  You're already a Global Moderator, see?



darren, you have always been and will always be a newbie.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on December 06, 2007, 06:38:51 PM
One little annoying thing I have noticed is that after posting a reply in this new forum is that it takes you back to post number 1 instead of taking you to the last post and if the thread happens to be 4 or more pages, this can be annoying...
Any way to fix this???


"What about the backups?" is a much longer and more tiring story than I'm prepared to tell right now.  Let's just say that most of the Hypnos site, the kind that resides in discrete files (html, php, txt, jpg and so on) that I can upload and download, is well and frequently backed-up.  The data underlying the Hypnos Forum is a batch of complex mySQL data kept in a huge file on the web site host's server, and that part is not readily backed-up by the user (or at least I didn't know how to do it until now). Worse, in the course of trying to comply with the web host's complete lockdown of that data, I deleted a bunch of old, redundant data (like the old, old Hypnos Forum on UBB software), as well as one bit of not-old, not-redundant data that was crucial to the running of the Forum. 

The story of why I can't get the web hosts to just restore the database to its prior state, is the long, tiring and depressing part.  Let's just say I have come to truly hate the web hosting company that hosts hypnos.com, and that they will not be hosting the site much longer, but in the mean time, the Hypnos Forum as we know it will just have to start fresh.  Maybe if I hadn't been banging my head up against the brick wall that is ValueWeb tech support for the past 2 days, I would have been able to solve this problem more elegantly.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 06, 2007, 06:56:04 PM
Just testing the einstein36 problem. Ah, yes ....

einstein ... try going to your profile and checking that "return to topics after posting" is checked (in Look and Layout).
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 06, 2007, 08:00:46 PM
Anyone having any access problems at all?  It's worked fine all day, and I just experienced a few glitches, and received an email from someone who said they tried to sign up, and couldn't connect.  Now it seems completely fine again.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: LNerell on December 06, 2007, 08:18:31 PM
My first time trying  to reply to a thread it went no where. And then later it dropped me so I had to log in again. Maybe its just growing pains .  ;D
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: sraymar on December 06, 2007, 08:27:03 PM
Just trying the new forum out for size. I like the color scheme, my aging eyes can handle it but I don't think the preview works yet. I can see the previous replies by other members but not mine.

Steve
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on December 06, 2007, 08:32:45 PM
Thanks..will try that...

Just testing the einstein36 problem. Ah, yes ....

einstein ... try going to your profile and checking that "return to topics after posting" is checked (in Look and Layout).
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on December 06, 2007, 08:33:06 PM
Yay...it worked:)...


Thanks..will try that...

Just testing the einstein36 problem. Ah, yes ....

einstein ... try going to your profile and checking that "return to topics after posting" is checked (in Look and Layout).
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: MarkJohnson on December 06, 2007, 09:42:27 PM
Anyone having any access problems at all?  It's worked fine all day, and I just experienced a few glitches, and received an email from someone who said they tried to sign up, and couldn't connect.  Now it seems completely fine again.

I registered and left a few posts without encountering any problems. Everything seems to be working as intended.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: srtd4 on December 06, 2007, 09:57:06 PM
I'm new here,   everything works fine here
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on December 07, 2007, 12:22:54 AM
Hello Cleveland!!!

  ;D ;D ;D

Paul
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: 9dragons on December 07, 2007, 01:37:13 AM
This feels strange, like coming home to find the house cleaned out by thieves. First priority must be to get that My Loony Bun is Fine Benny Lava youtube video back online!!
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Seren on December 07, 2007, 02:23:51 AM
Just checked in and joined again.

;D good to see itback

I'm sure we'll get most of the topics back again over a period of time. Just have to try and remember what i said so i don't contradict myself  ???
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Brian Bieniowski on December 07, 2007, 06:07:25 AM
I was hoping the new forum would disallow

obnoxiously wacky html

but I see I'm going to have to deal with that eyesore here too.   :'(
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Ben Fleury-Steiner on December 07, 2007, 06:20:16 AM
  ???
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 07, 2007, 07:03:24 AM
I'm sure the 'newness' will wear off and everyong will hold back a bit on the scrolling marquee text. :)

Ok - I have to try the glow text.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: LNerell on December 07, 2007, 11:43:01 AM
I have to say its nice to  have the delete option. I just did a double post and the delete option came in handy. Too bad most forums don't have this I see double posts just about everywhere.

Oh, and the default colors are fine for me, beats the red on black any day, plus I can actually read the threads now.  ;D
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 07, 2007, 11:55:20 AM
I have to say its nice to  have the delete option. I just did a double post and the delete option came in handy. Too bad most forums don't have this I see double posts just about everywhere.

Oh, and the default colors are fine for me, beats the red on black any day, plus I can actually read the threads now.  ;D

Red on black actually wasn't the default template on the old Forum... you actually ended up using an alternate template somehow!  The default for the old one was white and light blue, similar to the default on here.

I'm actually using the "BacknBlack" template here, which is black and gray with white text.  I'll probably take the best traits of some of the lighter and darker templates, and create a couple of new templates like "HypnosForumLight" and "HypnosForumDark" and get rid of all the other ones...eventually.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 07, 2007, 12:09:41 PM
This Forum includes an optional feature called "Karma" which allows users (at least somewhat established users, who have registered and posted a few times) to give positive or negative karma points to users who contribute something positive or negative to the Forum.

So...

Someone who creates an interesting topic, or who posts an insightful post, or a good CD review, might receive positive karma. 

Someone who breaks a Forum rule, or posts something inappropriate, or even who posts a "waste of space" comment, might receive negative karma.

I've turned on the karma option so we can experiment with it a bit.  If it's used frivolously or spitefully, I'll just disable it, but if it can be used for a sort of "peer review" to encourage people to contribute, and discourage people from acting like fools, then we'll keep it.

The karma points show up under your name & avatar, each time you post.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Bill Binkelman on December 07, 2007, 03:24:00 PM
Mike,

Is there any way I can make my avatar, which is actually an animated GIF, animate? I've seen people at other forums be able to do this. Not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I could. By the way, for those who don't know, that's Peter Stormare, who was in Fargo, among others. The picture is him "in character" as the pitchman for Volkswagen during one of his "oh snap" commercials. Hilarious stuff, IMO.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 07, 2007, 03:33:31 PM
Mike,

Is there any way I can make my avatar, which is actually an animated GIF, animate? I've seen people at other forums be able to do this. Not a big deal, but it'd be cool if I could. By the way, for those who don't know, that's Peter Stormare, who was in Fargo, among others. The picture is him "in character" as the pitchman for Volkswagen during one of his "oh snap" commercials. Hilarious stuff, IMO.

I recognized that guy, but I didn't know his name.  Those commercials are great... saw 'em on YouTube.

Umm, as for letting people use animated GIFs for avatars... I can see that your avatar file is PNG format, so I imagine if you upload the file to the Forum's database, it converts them to uniformly-sized PNG files.  It's possible that if you make your avatar a link to an off-site animated GIF file, it will leave the file format intact... not sure, but you can try it, if you have web hosting space to store the GIF on.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Bill Binkelman on December 07, 2007, 03:59:31 PM
Thanks, Mike. It should work now (courtesy of Photobucket!).
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 08, 2007, 01:51:43 PM
The more I live with this "BacknBlack" theme, the more I consider making it (or some close variation) the default theme on this Forum.

How do people here feel, generally, about "light" themes versus "dark" ones?  Generally I like darker themes but the pre-designed ones tend to be cheesy and less functional than the default themes on forums like this, which always tend to be light and innocuous (light blue and white or gray).

This "BacknBlack" theme seems to have all the functionality and legibility of the default theme, but it's more attractive and fits better with the main Hypnos site.  Speaking of which, one of my longer-term goals is to integrate the Forum into the main Hypnos site, so the main web site's navigation table on the left side (links to the news page, list of CDs and artists, and the Hypnos store, etc.) will appear on the left side of the Forum.  We'll see how difficult that is to accomplish.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Scott M2 on December 08, 2007, 02:34:57 PM
I miss having the main location jump links - ie:

[ Hypnos Forum ] > The Wide, Wide World > Everything and Nothing > This new SMF forum

at the bottom as well as at the top of each page. (I rarely used the drop-down menu option - although maybe it's time for change.)

Can they be duplicated down here without much extra work for you? 
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 08, 2007, 02:52:03 PM
I miss having the main location jump links - ie:

[ Hypnos Forum ] > The Wide, Wide World > Everything and Nothing > This new SMF forum

at the bottom as well as at the top of each page. (I rarely used the drop-down menu option - although maybe it's time for change.)

Can they be duplicated down here without much extra work for you? 

I think that's just a design aspect of the template, and probably could be accomplished without too much work.  I'll try to work that in when I start tinkering with templates next week. 

Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 08, 2007, 03:01:44 PM
Yep, I also miss the bottom of page navigation.

Mike: on the template thing, I particularly like Mesh ... another dark theme similar to the one you suggest.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 08, 2007, 03:07:49 PM
I take that back ... Mesh does not color-separate posts and is narrower.
Back-n-black is better.

Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: APK on December 08, 2007, 03:10:24 PM
I take that back ... Mesh does not color-separate posts and is narrower.
Back-n-black is better.

but could be time to head over to
http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes/
and see what others they have. Good to find something
easy on the eyes & with a bit of character.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 08, 2007, 03:41:54 PM
I've been all through that web site, and that's where all these themes come from except the top 3.

There are several,like Mesh, that I like in several aspects, but would like to use them as a basis for some modifications.  Many of the themes out there have all kinds of annoying ornamentation.  Even Mesh had some annoying graphics at the top that I wiped-out.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Seren on December 09, 2007, 11:38:18 AM
I Like the back and black too, just changed it over 8)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 09, 2007, 05:59:05 PM
I have to admit - I find the current default theme the easiest of about 6 I just flipped through.   White text on black is too hard to read for me.   Glad we can select different themes.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 10, 2007, 12:49:25 PM
Some people prefer light-on-dark, some prefer dark-on-light, some people like wacky novelty themes, some don't care.  I definitely do want to make sure to include multiple options for everybody, and it costs nothing extra to do so.  There are definitely some themes available that are poorly designed, and I'll probably narrow down the choices to just those that don't get in the way of the basic functionality of the forum.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 10, 2007, 12:54:00 PM
Some of you may have noticed a brief total outage of the Forum, just minutes ago.  It appears this was a database problem at the web host, and not a problem with this installation.   
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 10, 2007, 12:54:31 PM
The ERP system I used to run (it won't be turned off for many years so I guess I'll be the admin for years, odd thought...)

Anyway...   one of our users loved to have their gui (which was a glorified telnet session) look like the old 'hotdog stand' Windows colors...  we're talking hot pink, neon orange, and lime green.   Holy cow was it irritating to work on their computer...

Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 11, 2007, 11:48:48 AM
Regarding web hosting... I've received a handful of PMs and emails recommending various web hosts, and I appreciate the suggestions, but the Hypnos site (including main site, forum, and online store) has specific needs (enormous storage space, very large mySQL databases, Miva Merchant license, up to date installlations of PHP and mySQL and Ruby on Rails, SSL support, good webmail options, and an excellent reputation for supporting business hosting) which can't be met by 99% of web hosts. 

It looks like we'll be going with westhost.com and I should be making this switch in the next 7-10 days, though it should be transparent to users.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on December 11, 2007, 01:03:47 PM
Good luck on the move!

It's been awhile since I've migrated a domain (either for home or work...) - it used to take from 12 to 48+ hours for all the DNS tables around the net to update - so a site could disappear for a few people and be up and switched for others.    Since you'll likely still have the old domain up - most people shouldn't notice - but there's always that outside 'flaky factor'... :)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on December 11, 2007, 03:21:09 PM
Right, when this happens, there will actually be two servers on the internet with the full setup for hypnos.com and during the transition, some people will see the old one and some people will see the new one, and then gradually all the DNS records will be updated and everyone will see the new one.  Only at that point will the old one be shut down, but doing it this way, there is little risk that the site will be totally unavailable for any period of time, and we won't lose any orders. 

I might need to shut down the Forum at some set time, and move it all the way over to the new server, and disable the old one, so we don't have a time when there are two separate Forums receiving separate posts, no longer in sync. But with the Hypnos store and the rest of the web site, it won't actually hurt anything if there are two separate version for a few hours.  We'll just make sure that all orders placed at both sites, are recorded and processed.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jim brenholts on January 09, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
This Forum includes an optional feature called "Karma" which allows users (at least somewhat established users, who have registered and posted a few times) to give positive or negative karma points to users who contribute something positive or negative to the Forum.

So...

Someone who creates an interesting topic, or who posts an insightful post, or a good CD review, might receive positive karma. 

Someone who breaks a Forum rule, or posts something inappropriate, or even who posts a "waste of space" comment, might receive negative karma.

I've turned on the karma option so we can experiment with it a bit.  If it's used frivolously or spitefully, I'll just disable it, but if it can be used for a sort of "peer review" to encourage people to contribute, and discourage people from acting like fools, then we'll keep it.

The karma points show up under your name & avatar, each time you post.


is there a way to tell who gave us karma ratings?
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: einstein36 on January 09, 2008, 06:51:53 PM
I guess no one likes little ol me then:)


This Forum includes an optional feature called "Karma" which allows users (at least somewhat established users, who have registered and posted a few times) to give positive or negative karma points to users who contribute something positive or negative to the Forum.

So...

Someone who creates an interesting topic, or who posts an insightful post, or a good CD review, might receive positive karma. 

Someone who breaks a Forum rule, or posts something inappropriate, or even who posts a "waste of space" comment, might receive negative karma.

I've turned on the karma option so we can experiment with it a bit.  If it's used frivolously or spitefully, I'll just disable it, but if it can be used for a sort of "peer review" to encourage people to contribute, and discourage people from acting like fools, then we'll keep it.

The karma points show up under your name & avatar, each time you post.


is there a way to tell who gave us karma ratings?
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on January 09, 2008, 06:56:23 PM
This Forum includes an optional feature called "Karma" which allows users (at least somewhat established users, who have registered and posted a few times) to give positive or negative karma points to users who contribute something positive or negative to the Forum.

So...

Someone who creates an interesting topic, or who posts an insightful post, or a good CD review, might receive positive karma. 

Someone who breaks a Forum rule, or posts something inappropriate, or even who posts a "waste of space" comment, might receive negative karma.

I've turned on the karma option so we can experiment with it a bit.  If it's used frivolously or spitefully, I'll just disable it, but if it can be used for a sort of "peer review" to encourage people to contribute, and discourage people from acting like fools, then we'll keep it.

The karma points show up under your name & avatar, each time you post.


is there a way to tell who gave us karma ratings?

No, in fact I don't think the information is even available to Administrators or Moderators.  It's meant to be anonymous feedback to keep people from getting out of line, mainly on Forums where flame wars and the like are more common.  I hoped the "karma" system would encourage people to be well-behaved, and to be constructive contributors to the site, and that's how I've doled out karma points myself (only positive ones, so far), but I suppose it could be used for anything.

Does anyone have any feelings about the karma system so far?  Is it useful at all, or would people rather see it go away?
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on January 09, 2008, 07:51:19 PM
I've gone ahead and disabled the forum's karma feature, at least temporarily -- it'll be re-enabled (with everyone's karma as of right this minute restored) if people speak up that they want to have it, or I'll leave it off if nobody cares, or if everyone thinks it's more divisive than constructive.

Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Joe R on January 09, 2008, 07:59:59 PM
I have no problem with the karma feature, even though it seems that only the administrator/moderators receive the karma votes (hmmm...).

I only used the karma feature once -Jim, and everyone else who posted on the "my best freind" thread received a + karma.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Seren on January 10, 2008, 05:23:35 AM
I have no problem with the karma feature, even though it seems that only the administrator/moderators receive the karma votes (hmmm...).

I only used the karma feature once -Jim, and everyone else who posted on the "my best freind" thread received a + karma.

I don't use it much, on anothe rforum i do like giving karma when pleased about something - but it's hard to avoid counting your own and wondering.....
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jblock on January 10, 2008, 06:13:20 AM
I've used it a few times, but I have a bad karma so I'm not sure it helps anyone.  ;)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: jkn on January 10, 2008, 06:52:34 AM
I think in our forum the karma is probably ok to leave turned off.   I gave out several positive comments to people that posted nifty things.    Although, it is kind of easy to post something "cool" and then wonder why no one recognized it - or why you suddenly ended up with a negative point.   The karma might ruffle more feathers than it's really worth.

The positive side of the karma is over time ( a few weeks isn't really enough ) - the points will sort of even out and the people with a lot of points are the ones that contribute the most (not necessarily the ones with the most posts).   Those points are then potentially helpful to someone new exploring the forum - knowing who contributes the most etc...   Then again - this is a very small community - it doesn't take long to recognize the people that post the really nice reviews of releases or the ones that answer questions about gear and techniques and such.  And then frankly -there are a few of us that only visit from time to time and post minimally - but their posts are always good to read... anyway...



Of course - I'm applying retroactive negative karma to Joe R for that crack about only the admins/mods getting positive karma...  :P     All kidding aside - I think that's sort of a natural fallout from Mike and Lena (and to a lesser extent me and APK...) running the forum and helping people a lot - sometimes behind the scenes.   
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: modulator_esp on January 10, 2008, 07:03:05 AM
I have a small forum which features a similar sort of karma system and mostly it works OK

Generally people don't use the negative karma much, but use positive karma as a way of saying thanks for positive contributions, or to provide 'karmic' support for those in need
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Bill Binkelman on January 10, 2008, 09:26:06 AM
I don't have an opinion one way or the other. Everyone likes to get strokes, no doubt, so getting karma points was nice. But if we do away with it, it's fine with me as well.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on January 10, 2008, 09:37:50 AM
The karma deal was supposed to encourage cool contributions or extra-insightful posts, and to discourage acting up, breaking forum rules or flaming unreasonably.

I was afraid it would be used for things like "you gave my CD a bad review so I'm giving you negative karma" or "I disagree with your political views so I'm giving you negative karma."  I'm not sure whether it has been or not... there haven't been many negative karmas that I've seen, but to be honest I haven't paid much attention.  It was only after Jim's last message that I looked around and saw that a few people had received negatives.

I'm not sure to what extent this was a problem.  I mean, a negative karma here or there isn't enough reason to scrap the whole thing.  But maybe the positive benefit wasn't really there, either.  I don't hear a lot of people saying, "keep the karma system, it helps reward people for making the forum a better place."
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: modulator_esp on January 10, 2008, 10:18:52 AM
this board has a different karma system to mine, on mine you have total that goes up or down as you are given positive/negative karma respectively, and as admin I can see who has done so.

I would let it run for a while and see how it goes, as it will probably take time to bed in
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Seren on January 10, 2008, 03:14:59 PM
this board has a different karma system to mine, on mine you have total that goes up or down as you are given positive/negative karma respectively, and as admin I can see who has done so.

I would let it run for a while and see how it goes, as it will probably take time to bed in

I hope Jez does not mind me commenting but it does seem to work well on the Modulator forum, which has public and private areas. It is quite a close knit community which results in members gigging together like at the Hampshire jam Jam in October.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Undershadow on January 10, 2008, 11:10:49 PM
I'm not sure why the karma system was discontinued if no-one had a problem with it.
It seems to me it's worth continuing with it if noone has objected, since the idea of allowing users to give 'kudos' to other users might ultimately promote a sense of being a good contributor to the community. Conversely, it enables instances of fatuousness and inanity to be registered more 'democractically' rather than being simply left to arbitrary moderator intervention. Of course, if you don't have a sense of the communitarian on these forums, then you won't give a toss. Call me a tosser, if you like ;)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Bill Binkelman on January 11, 2008, 11:03:00 AM
I'm not sure why the karma system was discontinued if no-one had a problem with it.
It seems to me it's worth continuing with it if noone has objected, since the idea of allowing users to give 'kudos' to other users might ultimately promote a sense of being a good contributor to the community. Conversely, it enables instances of fatuousness and inanity to be registered more 'democractically' rather than being simply left to arbitrary moderator intervention. Of course, if you don't have a sense of the communitarian on these forums, then you won't give a toss. Call me a tosser, if you like ;)

Okay, you're a tosser ;D (sorry, I simply couldn't resist, so I guess I'M the tosser)
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: mgriffin on January 11, 2008, 11:40:51 AM
Nobody's really speaking up one way or another on the karma issue so I don't know how to gauge whether people would rather have it, or rather not have it, or don't care at all.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Bill Binkelman on January 11, 2008, 01:56:59 PM
Nobody's really speaking up one way or another on the karma issue so I don't know how to gauge whether people would rather have it, or rather not have it, or don't care at all.

Sorry to be so neutral or indifferent, but I can take it or leave it. Yes, getting karma points is nice and getting negatives is icky, but what the hell...I can't get too worked up over someone nicking me because they didn't like what I wrote. I just think that, to be fair, if someone here has a serious issue with something I write (or anyone, for that matter) they'll be direct and upfront and either email me or confront me publicly in the forum. I think giving someone nicks anonymously is, well to be blunt, chicken-shit.

Just my two cents and frankly, Mike, whatever you decide is fine with me, honestly.
Title: Re: This new SMF forum
Post by: Undershadow on January 11, 2008, 09:22:18 PM
I'm not sure why the karma system was discontinued if no-one had a problem with it.
It seems to me it's worth continuing with it if noone has objected, since the idea of allowing users to give 'kudos' to other users might ultimately promote a sense of being a good contributor to the community. [...]

I think that counts as speaking up for it.