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Title: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on February 12, 2011, 09:15:16 PM
Ive been using Grado Headphones these last few years.  Started with the Grado Sr125.  A recommendation by mastering engineers for QC & checking mixes.  The detail that comes out of these is quiet amazing.  Grado are notoriously uncomfortable but most put up with it because of the sound they reproduce.
(http://www.gradolabs.com/images/article_images/product_shots/sr125e-side-m-.jpg)

I Just recently upgraded to a pair of Grado SR325si......twice the price as the SR 125 and 5 times as good.  These cans you could possible mix on. They are that accurate but you still dont get the spacial separation that studio monitors give.  The detail  & tonal balance from these is truly astonishing.  Also you do not need a headphone amp to get the best out of these as you need for cans such as the Sennheiser HD 600 or 650 and the AKG k701 that are in the same category....in other words your iPod can drive these

(http://www.son-video.com/images/dynamic/Casques/articles/Grado/GRADOSR325/Grado-SR-325is_P_900.jpg)

So.....Whats on your head?
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: doombient on February 13, 2011, 04:21:57 AM
For mixing, mastering, monitoring, and plain listening I prefer the long-discontinued MB Quartphone 90 and 95 (they are now being produced under the "German Maestro" brand). Very comfortable on the ear, very transparent-sounding.

For live and studio use I also have a Beyerdynamic DT-770 which is nice because it shuts out ambient noise quite effectively but I think it´s a bit -mid-heavy and very tight on the head so after an hour or two I get some hearing troubles and a headache.

I used to have a Jecklin Float some years ago. Nice as it was, it was quite, erm, impractical to use (espcially in the studio).

Stephen
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on February 13, 2011, 04:32:23 AM
Beyerdynamic DT880

(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/beyer/1.jpg)

I used to have top-notch Sennheisers before but I never got used to the sound from them. Switched to these Beyer-cans and very happy I was.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: richardgurtler on February 13, 2011, 05:31:48 AM
I am using Sennheiser HD 580:

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2399/sennheiserhd580.jpg)

but I am dreaming about Sennheiser HD 800:

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5751/hd800headphones.jpg)

So it's time for bank robbery now... :)

Richard
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: LNerell on February 13, 2011, 10:56:54 AM
Plan old Sony 7506, mainly because they last forever and I know how they sound.

(http://www.unplggd.com/uimages/unplggd/062909_sony-mdr-7506-1.551059.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: jkn on February 14, 2011, 06:24:05 AM
AKG K240's  (or is it 270's?)  eh - can't remember from work.   

I've had them probably over a decade.  I like them a lot.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on February 14, 2011, 09:23:02 AM
I am using Sennheiser HD 580:

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2399/sennheiserhd580.jpg)


I use these too...
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on February 14, 2011, 09:23:28 AM
Plan old Sony 7506, mainly because they last forever and I know how they sound.

(http://www.unplggd.com/uimages/unplggd/062909_sony-mdr-7506-1.551059.jpg)


... but these have been my primary headphones (same pair) since about 1995.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: APK on February 14, 2011, 10:22:58 AM
AKG K240 Studio.
Been using these for many years. I find them very comfortable.
But I've recently been finding them a bit weak in the high end ... maybe old age.
So will be picking up a new set of headphones soon. Not sure what yet, so this thread might be useful.

(http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/pspic/image/82/image129614d419c16593ba.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on February 14, 2011, 11:40:18 AM
AKG K271S. I never leave home with out them.

(http://www.amazon.com/AKG-Closed-Back-Design-Monitoring-Headphones/dp/B0002LD35G)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on February 14, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
I have some mid-level AKGs that Musicians Friend gave me for free with an AKG microphone... just a spare pair for those rare occasions where multiple people are improvising at once, with a live mic in the studio (so no studio monitors blasting). Always heard good things about their higher-end headphones but these cheaper AKGs are sort of non-descript in terms of sound quality. Not bad though.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on February 14, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
Sennheiser HD280 - all day, every day use. Good workhorse phones.

(http://www.dansdata.com/images/hd280/hd280_280.jpg)


Shure E500 - for more critical listening.

(http://images.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/3377-1.jpg)


GK Ultraphones
- for noisy days... (Sony 7506 drivers)

(http://www.gk-music.com/img/img-ultraphones.jpg)

Previous Headphones:
Sennheiser HD-580 - very nice but one of the drivers died
Beyer Dynamic DT250 (as above)
Etymotic ER4P - lost them (curses...)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: LNerell on February 14, 2011, 04:18:04 PM
Sennheiser cx300, I use these with my ipod. Also used them for monitors for the Soundquest Fest gig I did last October.

(http://www.digitgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/cx300.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on February 14, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
Great selections of Cans!  This is a topic that clearly every one can participate, not just musicans. 
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on February 15, 2011, 02:38:15 PM
Even though my main mix headphones are the AKG K271s, I also have a pair of the older K270, Sony 7506, and two older pairs of KOSS headphones that look like something you could land a plane with.

My in ears for live are a pair of Shure SCL-2's

Paul
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: jdh on February 15, 2011, 10:32:29 PM
Great selection from everyone.I am a big fan of headphone use especially iem,90 percent of my listening is done on them.
Home headphones are sennheiser HD 600,need headphone amp to sound their best- I use xin supermacro,and for years before that stax lambda.
Work headphones are Sony 7506 ( the standard I think in the audio field)
In ear monitors are sensaphonics 2x custom molds,etymotic er4p and westone 2/um2.
the etymotics are considered the standard in the iem field for audiophiles.I   recently tried the westones and heard sounds that i never remember hearing from songs that i listened to a hundred times over.you can find the westone 1 for about $125.
Loren,I listen to your music quite a bit but those cx 300s are some of the worst buds you can get,just awful IMO . 
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on February 16, 2011, 03:32:07 AM
'Jdh', I had the ER4Ps and wasn't hugely keen on them, very detailed yes, but I prefer the Shure E500s - each to their own.

Incidentally, here's what I use to listen to the phones:
   
AUNE HIFIDIY.NET Mini USB DAC
(http://coolfungadget.com/ebayimg/aune_mini_usb_dac/DSC01795.JPG)
SPDIF from the soundcard gives a good, clean sound.

and here's a really good headphone amp I use for critical listening:
DUAL AMP (AD8610 option) 
'Neco Soundlab' is the guy who makes it:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUAL-AMP-portable-headphone-amplifier-V-2-/140504803659?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item20b6bd294b
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: LNerell on February 16, 2011, 11:48:04 AM
Loren,I listen to your music quite a bit but those cx 300s are some of the worst buds you can get,just awful IMO .

How are they bad? They got pretty good reviews when they came out, better then what I was using before (some Sony bud, don't remember the model). The one thing I don't like about them is they transfer sound down the cable when you move, so I sometimes get some weird noise when I'm changing music on my ipod. I generally don't use them for critical listening, just for listening on my ipod when I'm out for a walk.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on February 16, 2011, 12:30:39 PM
On a similar subject. This is my headphone amplifier. Meier Audio Corda Arietta:

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2010/P1000465.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: phobos on February 16, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
Beyerdynamic DT250, had them for what seems like forever, and they still feel comfortable :)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: jdh on February 16, 2011, 04:05:05 PM
Loren,
The cx300 are better than you get with the stock iPod buds no question.I used them for a month to try out as a loaner and found them very mid orientated,lows were bloated.as well,when walking,I could hear plenty of ambient noise around me,wind,traffic,etc..Cables very thin and prone to break.
There are much better than those out there.
In the world of headphones and amplifiers,there are so many out there and so many small manufactures that it can hard to keep up.sound is very subjective and synergy is important between components. One headphone amp may or may not sound good with a specific headphone and vice versa.
Pete,I think the etymotic is incredibly detailed but not for everyone. Note that I have several and all have different tones,I tend to enjoy a slightly darker warmer sound,therefore the sennheiser hd 600 and westone um2.I tried those shures and they were not for me.
In hifi,you generally fall into the grado or sennheiser camp sound signature.
Iem universal- Shure or westone.
But again so many out there,dozens and most on the higher end are all good.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on February 24, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
Nice cans out there - I have a number gathered over a period of time.

I have beyerdynamic DT931's for studio use. I went to a shop to get a new set and the guy said try these - was so taken I bought them on the spot....
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31FAx7-xJQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

TDK MP100's + an unknown sennheiser small set (that came with an Orion lightbox thing) for listening to mobile media players
(http://di1-2.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/c5/9f/f4/32040402-260x260-0-0_TDK+MP100+headphones+DJ+style+adjustable+headband+.jpg)

Philips sbc hp195 that originally came with my Roland VS2480 - now used for everything on the computer (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4148S6348AL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Senheiser HD212 pro - freeby from Sound On Sound Magazine years ago as a spare pair (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417KZYNrW1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I have a small philips behind headset for monitoring when making field recordings.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Scott M2 on February 24, 2011, 03:01:51 PM
(http://thegogreenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sm_metal_cans_lg.jpg)

I use these. They're cheap and available in a wide variey of sizes but do sound rather tinny. 

My backup cans are AKG-240s.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on February 24, 2011, 03:12:32 PM
but the sound is rather tinny  ;D
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: LNerell on February 24, 2011, 04:30:58 PM
(http://thegogreenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sm_metal_cans_lg.jpg)

I use these. They're cheap and available in a wide variey of sizes but do sound rather tinny. 

I use to use those but they hurt my ears when I would listen to music while sleeping.  :D ;D
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on February 25, 2011, 01:11:04 AM
I sometimes forgot to take the beans out first - real mess that made.....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 25, 2012, 10:55:46 AM
I'm expecting some new gear to arrive tomorrow. Beyerdynamic's best offering; T1. Along with headphone amplifier and DAC from Meier-Audio. It all landed on €1900. I hope it'll give Mr. Roach a new dimension :-)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: richardgurtler on March 25, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
Quote
I'm expecting some new gear to arrive tomorrow. Beyerdynamic's best offering; T1. Along with headphone amplifier and DAC from Meier-Audio. It all landed on €1900. I hope it'll give Mr. Roach a new dimension :-)

Wow, nice upgrade, Headonist!!! Have a breathtaking journey!!!

Richard
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 25, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
Thank you, Richard! I'm sure it will be swell :-)

/Daniel
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on March 26, 2012, 12:14:34 AM
The T1 - I saw those when I recently upgraded to these

(http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/images/grado-sr325is-473x473.jpg)

you must post some pics when you get it all together. They sound like they might be amazing.

Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 26, 2012, 01:08:19 AM
Sure thing, Seren. The Grados looks good too I must say.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on March 26, 2012, 01:28:22 AM
The Grado's sound brilliant too. I'm hearing sounds in my own music i had not heard before.

and the stereo imaging is fantastic. on my other headphones things are imaged 'sort of here' and 'sort of there' but these are really precise. There's a Kodo track where one of the drummers walks around the others and you can really see and hear him do it.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on March 26, 2012, 07:31:18 AM
Better still, aurally transport the sonic goodness psychically to us :)

Seriously, I'm envious. I presume you read this review:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/beyer2/t1.html (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/beyer2/t1.html)

Interesting how the audiophile take on Headphones seems to be changing.

 
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 26, 2012, 08:06:27 AM
Pete, I havn't read that review. But then I don't read much reviews at all. I mostly hang around on forums like head-fi and a few local (swedish) ones. Thanks anyway! I'll just go ahead and read it right now.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 27, 2012, 09:28:55 AM
A package from Germany has arrived. Must be goods from Meier-Audio :-)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0001.jpg)

The parcel contains three smaller packages and also a bag with cables.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0002.jpg)

Unpacking...
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0003.jpg)

All products on display.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0004.jpg)

A close-up on Meier-Audio Corda Classic (headphone-amplifier).
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0005.jpg)

A close-up on Meier-Audio Corda StageDAC (DAC).
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0006.jpg)

Presenting the headphones; Beyerdynamic T1
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0007.jpg)

Another view of T1.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0008.jpg)

Installed on my desktop. Yes, I use the computer as source.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0009.jpg)

A close-up on everything when it is installed.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/headonist/hi-fi_2012/DPP_0010.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: richardgurtler on March 27, 2012, 09:39:17 AM
Enjoy these beauties, Daniel!!!

Richard
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on March 27, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
Wow, I have gear lust like I haven't had in a long time. I have some nice mid-range headphones but nothing high-end like these T1s. Lovely!
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: jkn on March 27, 2012, 11:11:14 AM
Love the unpacking photos!  thank you!
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 27, 2012, 11:23:44 AM
Glad you're enjoying the pictures my friends :)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on March 27, 2012, 12:08:22 PM
great pics,

let us know how they sound.... 8)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on March 28, 2012, 09:28:24 AM
Still breaking them in. I'll get back with impressions. Doesn't sound too shabby despite that they are new from box =)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: headonist on April 01, 2012, 05:09:47 AM
I wrote a review for head-fi but I'm putting it up here as well...

This is my review of the T1's. I purchased a pair from Meier-Audio in Germany and I paid €1900 for the entire combo including headphones, headpone-amplifier and DAC. This price is including a very nice discount. I received them on Tuesday this week (3/27/2012) and I've been breaking them in every day since then. This is actually the first product I own were I experience a very obvious break-in and the headphones have improved alot of time. The gear I've been using to feed the headphones with are all Meier-Audio products: Corda Arietta and the Corda StageDAC (+a computer with FLAC-files). The sound is extremely transient fast. It sounds like they reveal everything in the recording. Or atleast I hear alot of things I didn't before (what a cliché, I know, but it's true). I'd say it's a very versitale sound. They can make extreme metal sound brutal, and they can make ambient music sound very soft. So I feel the headphone combo bring out what the artist intended. The sound has become more fluid over time which I also like alot. I get the same fluidity as my speakers, but with a higher resolution. The only thing I find I like more in my speakers (Klipsch RF82) is the bass and dynamics. But all in all the headphones and Meier-gear is state-of-the-art equipment. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on June 10, 2012, 09:21:27 AM
After doing a fair bit of research regarding getting a better pair of phones for mixing, I settled for the Shure SRH840

 
(http://www.shure.co.uk/dms/shure/products/headphones/images/srh840/srh840_side_6_cols/srh840_side_6_cols.jpg)

Initial impressions are promising, much more detailed than my Sennheiser HD280s, a lot more comfortable (the HD280's have very strong clamping), but with slightly less isolation. I was going to get a pair of AKG K550s, but I tried them on in a local hifi shop and I couldn't get a decent seal with them (on my rather large head !) , so I couldn't get a decent bass response.

From what I've read on various forums, you can go a bit mad with the eternal hunt for the 'best', so I went for something affordable that will hopefully do the job for a few years to come.

Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: btocher on June 10, 2012, 09:32:00 AM
Using Sennheiser HD25-1 II here. They were a well-wanted Christmas present from my wife in 2008, and they're lovely.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Michael Allison on June 20, 2012, 08:39:30 AM
I've been using Sony MDR 7506's for about 15 years. They sound great (very crisp with just the right amount of warmth) and they last forever  ;D
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on June 20, 2012, 08:41:49 AM
I've used the same Sony MDF 7506 for about the same length of time. Bought them in 95 or 96, when I started making the recordings that evolved into my first album. They're starting to fall apart a little around the earcups but I come back to them again and again.

I have a nice pair of Sennheiser 580s but they're so open I find myself using them less often.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: APK on June 20, 2012, 09:00:24 AM
I picked up a pair of those Sony headphones 6 months ago, and I like them too.
They are a good price for the sound quality.

What I don't like, though, is the folding hinges ... they are always collapsing when I pick them up or put them down.
I really should tape them up.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on June 20, 2012, 09:06:25 AM
I agree about the hinges, which seem to want to collapse even when you don't want them to. It seems to me this happened less over the years, either because the "spring" decreased or because I figured out better how to handle them.

Also I typed "MDF" but I meant the same "MDR" model Michael mentioned.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: drone on on June 20, 2012, 12:12:55 PM
Sony MDR - V6, studio monitor headphones.  How do these rate?  Had them around 7 years now and they've been reliable with decent sound quality (for only paying about $80).  My only problem with them is the black rubber coating around the ear cups has been sloughing off and I get little bits of black stuck around my ears/neck.  Not too attractive walking around with it if you forget to check!  ;D   
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on June 20, 2012, 01:20:16 PM
Hey, check this out. Earcup replacements for the 7506 $6.95 each with free shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-X21131241-Replacement-Earpad-for-MDR7506-MDR7506-Earpad-ea-/200779219267 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-X21131241-Replacement-Earpad-for-MDR7506-MDR7506-Earpad-ea-/200779219267)

Just ordered 2. Maybe my phones will last me another 16 years.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on June 21, 2012, 01:53:10 AM
Panasonic RP-HTX7 'franken-phones'

(http://www.petekelly.eclipse.co.uk/luminasounds/HTX7modded.jpg)

Okay, so I got kind of sucked into the headphone modding thing. I bought these cheap phones (£37) which sound great for the price. I then found out there were quite a few mods people were doing with them to make them sound better - mostly involving Blutack !. I will spare people the sordid details of what I did, but with many modifications and a pair of Shure SRH840 pads attached, they sound really improved. The bass response is mighty and they are probably the most comfortable phones I've owned. Isolation is much better now as well.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on June 21, 2012, 01:23:32 PM
modding headphones - i've always been too nervous to do this - don't want to screw them up.....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on November 23, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
Anybody still craving Beyerdynamic T1 headphones will find them for $949 on Amazon today.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 15, 2013, 03:36:24 PM
Indulging myself this christmas, that and I need a closed back headphone for recording purpose.  Im led to believe these cans translate well with my Focal Twin monitors.  Would be really handy. Lets see.

(http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionLarge/FOCAL/DV016_Jpg_Large_1378824449515_A.jpg)

(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/images/focalheader_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 16, 2013, 06:48:42 AM
$345....and the Focals are up against tough competition from my Grado SR325.  I love these cans but they are open backed
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 16, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
Oh.....the monitors.  Got those in 2007,  dont remember then its gone up a little.  Today $3800 a pair +-
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 16, 2013, 08:53:23 PM
Very.....came to these monitors from a Mastering setup that had lots of audiophile paraphernalia.  I wanted the full range listening capabilities that B&W 802's, my old speakers, within a smaller studio environment.  The Focal Twins delivered.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 26, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
FYI.....the Focal headphones really do an honest recreation of what I hear off the the Focal Twin monitors. This is great for Focal monitor owners but I feel it says so much more about the cans themselves.  Much that I do while tracking, which is when I use headphones the most will need little revision while mixing on the main monitors. This should be true for any monitor setup..... Kudos to Focal
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on December 27, 2013, 08:12:26 AM


(http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/images/grado-sr325is-473x473.jpg)


had these 2 years now - still think they are fantastic. Though those Focals look very, very nice Julio
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 28, 2013, 06:17:57 AM


(http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/images/grado-sr325is-473x473.jpg)


had these 2 years now - still think they are fantastic. Though those Focals look very, very nice Julio

I think Seren I got my Grado SR 325 about the same time.....they are fantastic.  I originally got a pair of SR 125's based on mastering engineers singing the praise of grado's for being able to look, so to speak, deep into the music.  The Grado SR 325's are exciting to listen to.  The detail and soundstage is amazing.  The Focals do not have the same openness, they cant they are closed back and I would say that in a way they sound dull next to the Grado's and not that the Grados are hyped at all.  What I perceive as dull is a neutrality which is what Focal is after with these cans in an attempt to engage the pro audio market.  I believe Focal are going to make similar cans geared to the A/V - HiFi market.   
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on December 28, 2013, 10:56:37 AM
Immersion I would say they are bright....they are well balanced across the whole frequency spectrum.  Certainly no dark mud...lots of detail and air.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on December 29, 2013, 03:18:43 PM
I would not say the Grado's are about the treble. You can have treble without clarity....you can have treble that is just harsh, unbalanced and muddy in it's own way.

The headphone forum's are full of varying opinions on all makes and models, so it is hard to make sense of what everyone is saying - many people seem to prefer different headphones for different genres of music.

For me, I enjoy the Grado 325's clarity and detail - I sound tested them with a number of other makes and after my Beyerdynamics (see earlier in the thread)  they were the only ones to make me go WOW. I took my portable cd player and CDs I knew well - did not want to get swayed by listening to a system I did not know and can't afford.

I have a Kodo CD and there is a point where one of the drummers moves across the soundstage - on everything else he (assuming it is a he) is sort of 'vaguely here and moving to vaguely there'. On the Grado's it is a pinpoint positioning and I can 'see' him move all the way across.....and this is on my 1999 technics player, not a modern state of the art player.

With them I have heard sounds and textures in my own music I had never heard before -  unfortunately not always for the good in some of my older stuff. Hopefully the headphones are helping me to be in more in control of my own sounds since I got them. it is hard to know as whatever else I play my music on I am uncertain how much of what I am hearing is what is being played or what I remember while making the music....

They are not comfortable or styled for fashion - so I assume all the money goes into making the sound as good as it is.

I've not compared them to the tesla's or other hi-flying phones, such as electro-statics to see what I'd have to do for an improvement I can hear and enjoy....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: APK on December 29, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Just a side issue. I find I use my AKGs much more than the Sonys because I prefer the non-coiled lead on the AKGs. I don't like coiled telephone type leads they always get in the way. But I'm mainly talking about while recording, not just sitting back listening.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on December 30, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
A good treble will help bring out the details, but good overall clarity should have good bass and mid as well - otherwise the headphones (imho) are just overbright and harsh...

For me the whole spectrum should have clarity and detail - no point having a great treble if the bass is just mud or the mids sounding like through the bottom of a dustbin.

I would in general agree that a good amp and source are important - but with the grado's I heard new details in the music being played on my 15 year old Panasonic 'walkman' cd player.....the hi-fi shop said that I obviously knew what I was doing for the listening test and were very respectful and helpful.

The grado's can pull great detail from even basic equipment due to their sensitivity and level of overall detail and clarity.

I then got to play some of my music on the £16,000 set up they had in the shop - was very nice indeed.

Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on December 30, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
I listened to the AKG K712's at AES a few months ago and these are what I am saving up for.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on January 05, 2014, 12:12:30 AM
The Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro, 250 ohm version, is on sale right now at Amazon for $148, an excellent price for such a highly-regarded headphone.

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/111254/amazon---beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro-250-open-headphones-250-ohm (http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/111254/amazon---beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro-250-open-headphones-250-ohm)

Of course you'll probably want to use a headphone amp to get the best sound out of these, but if you're open to that (and not just plugging this directly into your iPod or something) this is quite a deal... which reminds me, I've been meaning to start a topic to discuss headphone amps.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on January 05, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
The same thing is true of many good headphones in the $200 - $500 range. They tend to be higher impedance, so they need an amplifier to really perform. Maybe it doesn't seem so bad to pay extra for an amp for a really expensive headphone, but as you say, if you buy a $150 headphone, you might end up paying more than that for an amp.

The way I look at it, though, is the amp and the headphone are separate purchases. If someone is just getting into better-quality headphones, maybe something like this DT990 Pro 250 ohm is their "gateway" to higher-end headphones. Maybe they have to buy an outboard amp for $150 to $500 more, but then they can continue to use that amp if they move up to even better headphones later.

I didn't really appreciate my Sennheiser HD580s until I plugged them into studio gear that had strong output at the headphone preamp. They improved even more with a dedicated, standalone amplifier. 

Lately, there are some good, high-output headphone amps for not too much money. I've been meaning to create a new topic about headphone amps, and I guess this is a good time to do so. I'm off to do that now!
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Scott M2 on January 05, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
At the bottom end of the headphone scale... i recently bought a set of the current Apple iPhone earbuds to update the ones that came with my iPhone4S and they have a much more balanced response with less highend edge. A great $30 upgrade for portable listening if you have an older iPhone.

In the studio I still use the AKG K240 as it's a sound I like and know (and I don't like cans that rest on my ears). Always test on the buds too though. The headphone out on my RME Fireface UCX is quite good for a small interface that you can easily gig with.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: El culto on September 19, 2014, 05:21:51 PM
Being a DT 770 Pro (250 Ohm) user for many years, i was recently looking for a second headphone to double check mixes. So, I´ve ordered for a test:

:: Focal Spirit Pro

:: Shure SRH 940

The Focal looks very stable and HQ made but unfortunately it´s not an over-ear model. The ear-pressure of this closed HP is quite heavy and makes the wearing uncomfortable after 10 minutes already. Mid and high end are sounding very neutral to my ears but the bass definitely lacks power and definition. Spending an hour with this HP was enough to return it back.

The Shure is a closed over-ear model and very pleasant to wear (even for many hours). Though, it doesn´t look stable like the Focal and my DT…it feels more like a DJ HP with a lot of plastic and quite week in each day usage. In contrast to the Focal, the lower end is very precise and "full" sounding. The mids are VERY precise and easy to judge. So far so good if there wasn´t the high end…totally disappointing for me! Obviously there is (like on many speakers) an increasing made for the high end. When listening to jazz and especially classical music all sounds fake in this frequency region…violins are sounding like someone is cleaning a window (shrill and "plastic"). For spotting problems in the high end this HP might be a perfect solution but it can be very annoying for other purposes.

I´ve read here and there people complaining about the DT concerning the bass ("hyped") but when comparing it with this 2 models the DT is a real easing! Yes it pushes a tiny bit the bass but acoustic instruments (i.e cellos, violins) are sounding so real as they supposed to be. Another issue is the spatial issue..while the DT offers a "room" in the head the other tested models sounding just straight left-right.

I know, many people swear on AKG´s, but i never liked any of their models (construction, sound). BTW: My search was for an closed model only!

Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on September 20, 2014, 04:26:47 AM
Hi Tomas...have you looked at these. Shure SRH1540.  They were on my audition list but I stayed with the Focal Spirit so never did hear them.  Not cheap but what is.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NStvcLvzL.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on October 09, 2014, 03:44:59 PM
FYI my Focal Spirit Pro headphones cracked today within the swivel housing......so one side sort of hangs without pressure against the ear.  Not good and in less than a year.

Sound was good, as I think I said sort of boring which is ok for studio purposes but Im not going to replace them with the same so Im back in the can search.

First up is the shure's I suggested to Tomas above.....open to suggestions on closed backed headphones.

I still have my notoriously uncomfortable Grado SR325 open backs.... to date the best sounding cans Ive listened to (the discomfort fades when you hear the sound) but I need closed back as well.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on October 09, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Last year I bought a pair of Fostex T50RP, after reading how they could be wonderfully improved by modification. I still haven't gotten around to modifying them yet. Has anyone else tried this?
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on October 10, 2014, 02:57:32 AM
Julio,

I still use the lower-end Shure SRH840's, they're pretty good - albeit not a perfect fit for my noggin.
Soundwise, they're supposed to be flat enough for 'reference' duties.

I still haven't found the 'perfect' headphone (if it exists in the world of form)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on October 10, 2014, 05:31:27 AM
Thanks Pete....I check out the Shures

The only other closed back phones mentioned in this thread were the sony 7506 and the akg 240.  Had a pair of the sony 12 years ago so I dont remember much about them.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on October 10, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
Seems like the Focals are still under warranty  :)  False alarm but thanks for the suggestions anyway.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on May 17, 2015, 05:30:24 AM
Some may have read this elsewhere like rM several months ago and for some reason I did not post it here in a thread I actually started, so hear it is.

(https://digitalvoices.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ello-optimized-a31ad9fd1.jpg)

(https://d324imu86q1bqn.cloudfront.net/uploads/asset/attachment/1566330/ello-optimized-4e39e746.jpg)


A Tale of 3 Headphones & an Amplifier

I had been thinking of upgrading my monitors but had realized that I recorded all my music using headphones and not monitors for a while.  There were times I had not turned the monitors on for months.  This made me think some more…. a monitor investment  to improve upon where Im at now was going to be very costly.  So what was all this fuss about headphones I had been hearing as a way to remove the room out of the mixing equation …..Im not an audiophiles though I do love great sound and you cant mix on cans…..well thats not true, many do with success. 

Then began a lot of reading and anytime someone said neutral sounding or microscopic detail that would suit audio pros for mixing and mastering I took note.  The one headphone that came up constantly in this context was the Sennheiser HD 800.  As I got further into this I discovered that the Sennheiser HD 800 had seemed to have become the standard that all other cans were judged.

Then the whole notion of open and closed cans came up so I wondered if there were any  closed cans that could compete with the HD 800 reputation…..one name kept coming up, Foster TH 900….more reading, pros cons etc and yet I had not heard anything, I was listening to words not sound.

I then come across a small ad on the side banner of some headphone forum that said “The headphone Lending Library...listen before you buy”.  It turns out thats what The Cable Company does, they sell and lend audiophile cables and also headphones.  Ok now I can hear what all these words I had read are trying to describe.

The name Audeze LCD X came up on radar….Planar Magnetic Headphones.

I contacted the Cable Co. and after several weeks the Sennheiser HD800, Foster TH900 and the Audeze LCD X arrived at my door for an auditioning period of about 10 days.

Headphones that I considered but for a reason or not decided against.  Beyerdynamics Tesla T1, AKG K 801 & Grado PS 1000e

The Amplifier

As I was researching my intention was to plug the headphones into my mixer which has a headphone amp…..I did not want an independent headphone amp and then when I do want to use the monitors I will need a passive switch which would mean the sources would be difference…...thats where the SPL Phoniter 2 came into the picture.  Firstly a headphone amp thats made for mixing with crossfade and angle capabilities and happens to have a pair of balance outputs designed to drive active monitors.  Sold!  To my astonishment the monitors came alive as I had never heard them before when fed by the Phonitor 2.  Ive had my monitors for 9 years….I know them but what I was hearing had some much more presence, detail and space….I was shocked and this was just the icing not the cake….the cake was for the headphones.  FYI my mixer and Metric Halo uln2 headphone amps drove these cans quite well but could not touch the sound coming through the Phoniter 2

As I write this Im in the middle of the audition period…..heres a selection of music thats being used with these headphones.  These recordings are great sonic examples of performance, recording, mixing and mastering and are reference cds I know.

Donald Fagan, The Nightfly & Morph the Cat
Diana Krall, The look of Love
Pat Metheny, Bright Sized Life
David Gilmore: On an Island
Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon
David Chesky, The Body Acoustic
The Penguin Cafe Orchestra
Peter Gabriel, Security
Beethoven Symphony No7, Academy of Ancient Music, Hogwood
Pieter Nooten / Michael Brooks, Sleeps with the Fishes
Ma Ja Le / James Johnson, Seed

Very little ambient except for Seed….a stunning recording, performance, mixing and these gentlemen put the mix in the hands of a very good mastering engineer. 

The Headphones.

At this level all cans are really very good and it would come down to personal taste, however the Foster Th 900 lacked the soundstage of the HD 800 and LCD X, understandable they are closed and considering they did really well.  The Audeze LCD X was a little disappointing, its hard to say why, perhaps they come across a little bloated by a dominant low end for my taste though I suspect its because of the stellar performance and resolution of the Sennheiser HD 800...everything that you may have read about the HD800, assuming your interested of course, is true.  The soundstage and placement of the music and instruments is breath taking...its not that the headphones disappear, its that you disappear into the music.  The main concern that I read was that the HD 800 is bright and can fatigue, perhaps for an audiophile who is used to listening to silk, cream and warmth they could be fatigued, but to someone who is used to a studio audio / neutral honesty then the Sennheiser HD 800’s are a sonic delight.

For more details and opinions on these headphones search the web….what most people say about them seems to pan out from my actual listening experience and if your in the market for headphone its really worth it to borrow a few from the Cable Co.

How all this will translate into my personal music production has yet to be determined but its sounding good….
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: mgriffin on May 19, 2015, 11:38:02 AM
Great post, Julio. I love reading this kind of stuff.


I've been considering for a while that I have several pairs of very good headphones, but no great ones. Maybe instead of multiple $200-400 headphones I should try something really high-end. We shall see...
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on May 19, 2015, 01:11:34 PM
Great post, Julio. I love reading this kind of stuff.


I've been considering for a while that I have several pairs of very good headphones, but no great ones. Maybe instead of multiple $200-400 headphones I should try something really high-end. We shall see...

If and when you do Mike I can really recommend  The Cable Co and their headphone lending library.....

http://www.thecableco.com/Catalog/Headphone-and-Accessories (http://www.thecableco.com/Catalog/Headphone-and-Accessories) 

The ability to try before you buy at this price point is pretty crucial and to be able to have 3 of some of the best cans on the market to demo is unheard of.  They will also lend headphone amps as well.  The cost was about $250 for a 10 day trail period which if you buy through them they will put that towards the headphone cost so you are only out of pocket for the shipping.  Very sweet.

Its the best sonic investment I have made.  It has completely changed the way I hear music, for pleasure or for studio work.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on May 20, 2015, 07:58:20 AM
First of all thanks for the compliment on Seed Julio, and second I agree with Mike, great post!

I just upgraded my headphones to the new Audio Technicha ATH-M70x and all I can say is WOW! The clarity is stunning. The low end may seem shy to some, but its really more that it is not exaggerated like some headphones.

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=5&subID=39&prodID=4715
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: APK on May 21, 2015, 11:42:36 AM
Ha ...  I was going to try out the Audio Technica ATH-M50x phones when at a store again. I'd heard very good things about their quality given their relatively affordable price point. Now I may have to spend more for the M70x !!!

(http://www.wirerealm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/audio-technica-ath-m70x-studio-headphones-review-1024x496.jpg)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on May 21, 2015, 04:54:46 PM
First of all thanks for the compliment on Seed Julio, and second I agree with Mike, great post!

I just upgraded my headphones to the new Audio Technicha ATH-M70x and all I can say is WOW! The clarity is stunning. The low end may seem shy to some, but its really more that it is not exaggerated like some headphones.

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=5&subID=39&prodID=4715

Hi Paul....Yes "Seed" is a sonic gem not often seen in ambient circles, and naturally that amount of detail is seriously matched by phenomenal music performance and production.

Through headphones lets keep the production level of what we hear at its zenith
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on May 22, 2015, 01:10:16 AM
Quote
Through headphones lets keep the production level of what we hear at its zenith

A worthy manifesto, indeed :)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on May 22, 2015, 04:48:02 AM
Great post Julio,

The headphones you have been listening to are seriious pieces of kit on their own. Great that the company lets you audition to compare in your own time and space.

About 6 months ago I was looking for a dedicated headphone amp and purchased one of these off ebay:
(https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/NzQ5WDk5OQ==/z/PQ4AAOSw53NY-g56/$/Beresford-Bushmaster-DAC-Headphone-Amp-_57.jpg)

With multiple sources I have set up my CD player, VS2480 and a blu ray player (for Robert Rich's Perpetual and Somnium set).

The sound through my speakers improved so much I have hardly used my headphones since then and usually choose to turn on the CD player rather than the VS 2480 when I have spare time.
   It's a long time since I've been so excited by music that it's hard to play a complete album. Often what I'm listening to will remind me of something else and I'll have to put that on asap....

I'm hoping at some point soon to settle a bit and start recording again....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on May 22, 2015, 04:50:57 AM
PS. what I'm actually doing is looking for somewhere to live where I can set the studio and music up properly so I can really relax and enjoy listening and recording music....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 01, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
Its been so quiet around here of late so I thought I would spice it up with some smoke and fire.... :o

My SPL Phonitor 2 headphone amps right channel died the other day and while it did so it sent a load signal to the right channel of my Sennheiser HD800 headphones......what an indescribable sound.....shattering paper thin carbide sheets under blackhole pressure, ok its describable.  Whats not describable  are my thoughts, well actually not printable. Think of words to describe $3400 of beautiful designed dead metal and the sweetest sounding headphones gone.

Within seconds came the cremated electronic smell that permeated the studio.....more non printable words.

Warranty on both amp and cans ran out in December 2016.....almost printable  F..K!

I contacted Zen Pro Audio where I got the SPL Phonitor 2 and the owner Warren jump into action to see what could be done...within an hour or so I had the sales rep for SPL, followed by the service manager for SPL in contact with me...impressive.  I think once I had explained how the amp had absolutely crush and destroyed my HD 800 cans some sympathy or empathy at least was given......their words were "we will be gentle with you"....lets see.

Now the Sennhesier HD800....firstly you can't talk to them, Sennheiser that is.  No warranty, click here on the website....type model number here.....flat service fee $585. 
A lot more words not fit to be printed here....but what gets one thinking is what sort of great headphones can you get $585, right.  Certainly the HD800's are truly wonderful with the right amp. Like nothing Ive ever heard before.  Much to think about.

The amp will be fixed but not for the headphones.  The one other paramount aspect of the Phonitor 2 amp is that it also drives my studio monitors, well they are power monitors but the signal that goes to the cans also goes to the monitors through the Phonitor....listening as I have to now with my system reconfigured it is sonically lacking without the Phonitor 2 amp to drive those monitors.

The Sennhesier HD800 sit in their box like a silk laced funeral casket while I decide how to approach this and Im enjoying my old Grado SR 325 cans, the ones in the first post in this thread.

I hope this comes across as me having some fun with these  bizarre events. :)

 
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on June 02, 2017, 12:48:49 AM
oo...sorry to hear about that - not nice.

I lost my previous Beyers when I got a feedback loop and had to choose what to turn down first - VS2480 or headphones....

I still have the beyers, but they buzz on one side if the bass frequencies hits a certain note or presence or tone.

Hope you get the amp fixed and replace the headphones with something that excites you.



(http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/images/grado-sr325is-473x473.jpg)


had these 2 years now - still think they are fantastic. Though those Focals look very, very nice Julio

and still using them......though may need to get replacement foam pads - £25.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on June 02, 2017, 01:00:10 AM
PS. what I'm actually doing is looking for somewhere to live where I can set the studio and music up properly so I can really relax and enjoy listening and recording music....

Moved house a year ago - have a room just for music 8) 8)

Have really enjoyed listening to music with enough space to give the sound air.

Started recording again about a month ago....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 02, 2017, 05:21:47 AM
oo...sorry to hear about that - not nice.

I lost my previous Beyers when I got a feedback loop and had to choose what to turn down first - VS2480 or headphones....

I still have the beyers, but they buzz on one side if the bass frequencies hits a certain note or presence or tone.

Hope you get the amp fixed and replace the headphones with something that excites you.



(http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/images/grado-sr325is-473x473.jpg)


had these 2 years now - still think they are fantastic. Though those Focals look very, very nice Julio

and still using them......though may need to get replacement foam pads - £25.


Yup, the Grado's are really good headphones....Im happy to still have them.  I put a softer ear cups on them, not grade brand and it killed the higher frequency so best to replace the cups with what grado make for them which I just did a few days ago.

I find myself in what I call "The leasing a Porsche Syndrome"  Here in America there was a Porsche that could be leased for under $500 a month, something that was manageable for some until that first service and a complete tire change at $500 plus a tire......thats sort of where Im at with the HD800 headphones.  Its a lot of cash to come up with to fix them but I will get to it because they are that good.

Good to hear that your able to record again in a happy enviroment Seren!
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on June 02, 2017, 06:08:59 AM
Re Grado's - I did see a forum comment where somebody advised that the change from on ear to over ear also affected the sound quality, and that the on ears were much more uncomfortable.....so unsure what to get now...
best of luck getting the HD800's fixed
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 02, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Seren these are what original came with my Grado Prestige SR 325's and what I recently got to replace the fluffier on ear ones.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006GCCO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006GCCO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

These are uncomfortable, being over ear,  the headphone mechanics so to speak does make contact with the ear and after long periods, for me about an hour or so I begin to notice it.  Grado users seem to put up with this because the sound quality is worth it.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on June 02, 2017, 12:52:59 PM
Julio, that's a bugger !

I get pretty hacked off when gear fails - I expect it to work for ever :) It must be particularly galling as it wasn't the usual wear and tear / drivers failing etc. I've had more phones fail on me over the years than anything else.
My ancient Shure E500 IEMs died recently, they were held together with hot glue and nail varnish, but I kept them as I find them invaluable for mastering. Fortunately, a good friend sold me on his unwanted Shure SE535s , so I'm covered again.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on June 02, 2017, 10:05:42 PM
I go back and forth between these three:

I use http://pro.ultimateears.com/products/custom-monitors/for-audiophiles/reference-remastered (http://pro.ultimateears.com/products/custom-monitors/for-audiophiles/reference-remastered) when playing live, mixing and tracking.

I use http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/37a47d8ea9cf0796/index.html (http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/37a47d8ea9cf0796/index.html) for critical listening and final mix decisions.

I use http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/f39784ce643a82e6/index.html (http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/f39784ce643a82e6/index.html) for kicking back and listening at home

PV
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: stargazer on June 03, 2017, 12:32:35 AM
I have AKG headphones:

IP2: http://www.akg.com/pro/p/ip2 (http://www.akg.com/pro/p/ip2)
K702: http://www.akg.com/pro/p/k702 (http://www.akg.com/pro/p/k702)

I like the silky sounding of the K702, so I own this pair twice :)
Now I am looking for a headphone amp rack device.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 03, 2017, 07:56:40 AM
Julio, that's a bugger !

I get pretty hacked off when gear fails - I expect it to work for ever :) It must be particularly galling as it wasn't the usual wear and tear / drivers failing etc. I've had more phones fail on me over the years than anything else.
My ancient Shure E500 IEMs died recently, they were held together with hot glue and nail varnish, but I kept them as I find them invaluable for mastering. Fortunately, a good friend sold me on his unwanted Shure SE535s , so I'm covered again.

Hey Pete,

Yeah, new gear as in a few years that dies prematurely is definitely annoying.....and quality equipment built to last.  When one pays a lot of coin longevity is part of the sum.  In my case the Headphones were victims of the pre amp so can't fault them.

Did not know nail varnish had build applications... :)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: APK on June 03, 2017, 04:28:48 PM
Really sorry to hear the bad news.   :-\  That must be devastating, Julio.
I hope you get some good recompense for the failure.


As a side note, I always use much less expensive headphones ... so that if I tread on them
or the dog chews them to shreds I have little concern about simply buying another pair.   :)

I'm in the market for a new pair (wasn't the dog this time), and currently use, and am happy
with,  AKG. So interesting to see your post, Jaja, about your AKGs. Will have to audition them.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 04, 2017, 05:23:30 AM
Really sorry to hear the bad news.   :-\  That must be devastating, Julio.
I hope you get some good recompense for the failure.


As a side note, I always use much less expensive headphones ... so that if I tread on them
or the dog chews them to shreds I have little concern about simply buying another pair.   :)

I'm in the market for a new pair (wasn't the dog this time), and currently use, and am happy
with,  AKG. So interesting to see your post, Jaja, about your AKGs. Will have to audition them.

Hi Anthony.....its got a definite sting to it.

I feel quality headphones are very important generally but perhaps even more so for our genre while creating to give the music a unique space that headphones give and naturally for pleasurable listening.

Those AKG K702 headphones that Jana uses are fine cans as are Paul's selection....theres a lot to choose from and it seems you do get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on June 05, 2017, 12:50:09 AM
Seren these are what original came with my Grado Prestige SR 325's and what I recently got to replace the fluffier on ear ones.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006GCCO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006GCCO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

These are uncomfortable, being over ear,  the headphone mechanics so to speak does make contact with the ear and after long periods, for me about an hour or so I begin to notice it.  Grado users seem to put up with this because the sound quality is worth it.
Mine has the newer g cushion shape and debating which to get - and do I get cheaper versions available on the internet?
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 05, 2017, 05:14:05 AM
Seren these are what original came with my Grado Prestige SR 325's and what I recently got to replace the fluffier on ear ones.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006GCCO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006GCCO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

These are uncomfortable, being over ear,  the headphone mechanics so to speak does make contact with the ear and after long periods, for me about an hour or so I begin to notice it.  Grado users seem to put up with this because the sound quality is worth it.
Mine has the newer g cushion shape and debating which to get - and do I get cheaper versions available on the internet?


I see the G cushion is much bigger than the L.....and twice the price.  I might have to try those G's.if they offer more comfort.   Appears they do cover the ear completely.  Did those G cushions come with your headphones?  It looks like they were designed for the Grado Professional line.....http://www.4ourears.net/Grado_G_cushions_p/4e-gcush.htm (http://www.4ourears.net/Grado_G_cushions_p/4e-gcush.htm)

Heres a picture of the PS1000e that has G cushions.
(http://positive-feedback.com/Issue74/images/c5763c167e4e98e7f5dcc384a77a3512.jpg)

I would go for cushions made by Grado...usually is the best approach though can be more expensive.  The L cushion I got through amazon are Grado made.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 05, 2017, 05:25:42 AM
Stay away from these for Grado Headphones.....these are what I meant by "Fluffy"  They are comfortable but kill the sound on my Grado SR325's

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41HjeeidOfL.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41ldnIaAPeL.jpg)

Amazon link for reference.....https://www.amazon.com/EarZonk-Long-Life-Leatherette-Cushions-Headphones/dp/B00OM21W1I/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_23_bs_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=78X3HPN97BQYKN3K1VKK (https://www.amazon.com/EarZonk-Long-Life-Leatherette-Cushions-Headphones/dp/B00OM21W1I/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_23_bs_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=78X3HPN97BQYKN3K1VKK)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 05, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
A little Grado History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEBPkKXnj1I
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Seren on June 05, 2017, 09:19:09 AM
(http://positive-feedback.com/Issue74/images/c5763c167e4e98e7f5dcc384a77a3512.jpg)
Yep - that's the G cushions and they came with my headphones. The L ones are less comfortable than the G's.

However on one forum someone said the L's give a better sound as the headphones were designed to be a certain distance from the ear - something the G's don't (apparently) maintain....If you get the G's let us know how they compare - if you can hear a difference I would consider changing myself.

I can definitely wear mine for longer than an hour - on the comfort side I think slightly padded headband would help....
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: petekelly on June 05, 2017, 11:41:40 AM
I always try to try a pair of phones on if I can. Having a large head / earlugs, not everything is a good fit for me.  Seeing as we are having a 'list-fest' here, as well as the Shure 535s (IEMs), I also have:

Shure SRH840 - really rather good all rounders
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/headphones/srh840-professional-monitoring-headphones

SoundMagic HP150 - not the most neutral, but very comfy
http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/soundmagic-hp150-closed-back-headphones-with-replaceable-cable.html

Lastly, I've bought a pair of Bose QC25s, just to try out really - not great sounding, but the noise cancellation is pretty good

APK, so far my hound has decided to leave my headphones untouched - cushions, towels, pillows etc. are all fair game though :)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: stargazer on June 05, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
I'm in the market for a new pair (wasn't the dog this time), and currently use, and am happy
with,  AKG. So interesting to see your post, Jaja, about your AKGs. Will have to audition them.

Anthony, I think you will like the K702. I have tried some headphones in the musicstore back in 2012 and it was an instant favorite and still is :)
I got the first pair in 2012 for 365 € and the second pair in 2016 for 175 €. Now the price gained again to 185 €. There are sometimes strange price developments at the german market ;)
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 13, 2017, 04:55:42 AM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0362/2465/products/0020080700_8034_800x.jpeg?v=1443582356)

Came across these Sennheiser HD700....did not know they existed......at about half the cost of its big brother the HD800 puts these cans and type of sonic quality within reach of many more people.

Review from Headphone.com below.

The Sennheiser HD700 is an audiophile dynamic headphone with acoustic performance and price perfectly perched between the HD800 and HD650 model. Although not quite as expansively detailed, listeners familiar with the flagship HD800 can expect richer bass response and a fuller low-end presentation in the HD700 with very solid bedrock textures. It's definitely a less stringent sound and one which may appeal to listeners who enjoy the HD650's smooth tone but seek better midrange focus and upper treble extension. Detachable HD700 cable employs mono 'mini' 3.5mm Y-plugs into each earcup. Sorry, Sennheiser HD700 can only ship within USA due to manufacturer restrictions.

What We Think:
HeadRoom had an early opportunity to spend ear time with the Sennheiser HD700 headphones at CES in Vegas back in January 2012 and later when one of our favorite Senn big-wigs dropped by our Montana shop with them secretly in tow for our store. After enjoying extended quality listening time, our impression is the Sennheiser R&D team may have struck yet again with one of the most musically dynamic and lively headphones we've heard from their high-end audiophile arsenal. Delivering an audibly more textural, rollicking low-bass presence versus its big brother, the claimed 'King Of Headphones' HD800, the somewhat similarly-sized HD700 offers welcome 'corrections' for those listeners turned off by the relentless analytical precision of the HD800's lightning transient accuracy. Significantly easier to power (150 Ohms vs. the HD800 rating @ 300 Ohms) and sporting a new ventilated magnet system said to improve signal response time and 'airy' timbral transparency, the HD700 indeed sound like a mid-way approximation between the classically smooth, warm-toned Sennheiser HD650 approach and the highly critical, uber-revealing resolution delivered by the reference HD800 presentation. We hear it as almost a 'light-years better' improvement on the heavily lauded [now-discontinued] HD595 presentation with the same lively sense of acoustic immediacy. So expect a slightly more forgiving overall sound but without completely trading away the engaging presence of its pricier brethren. We don't think the HD700 has the same soundstage openness or massive dynamics but those who may have thought the HD800 perhaps too lean in bottom-end bass punch will be appreciative of the HD700's effortless vigor into the lower bass and low-midrange frequencies.

The Sennheiser HD700 are full-size, open-back circumaural ('around the ear') headphones with zero isolation or noise-blocking ability, so they're not well-geared for mobile or portable use in situations where others will hear your cans 'leaking out' your beauteous music to the world. The ergonomic fit proved equally as comfortable for all our testers as the excellent HD800 design, if perhaps even a bit lighter-feeling on the head. The HD700 headphone cord is a unique, owner-detachable 'Y-cord' design featuring monophonic male mini [3.5mm] plugs into each left / right earcup. Free premium 2-year Sennheiser manufacturer's warranty with your HeadRoom authorized dealer purchase receipt!/i]
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: stargazer on June 15, 2017, 01:46:31 AM
Julio, is your headphone amp already fixed? This would be great.
For your headphones I am sorry, no way to effort this pair twice. Wish you luck!

Btw: I must check my audio interface today, maybe an output is not function.
I do not hope so but I have 3 years guarantee, so it would not be a problem.
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 15, 2017, 06:29:17 AM
Julio, is your headphone amp already fixed? This would be great.
For your headphones I am sorry, no way to effort this pair twice. Wish you luck!

Btw: I must check my audio interface today, maybe an output is not function.
I do not hope so but I have 3 years guarantee, so it would not be a problem.

Hi Jana......Good News, The SPL Phonitor Amp is fixed and arrives back to me today.  No Charge!  They said they would be gentle as possible regard the cost to fix.  I was not expecting for free after the warranty expired 5 months ago.

I feel this has something to do with the high quality of production and care that goes in to German manufacturing. Theres a certain pride that when something goes wrong whether it be the customers fault or not.  With in reason. It is not acceptable and is fixed at the manufacturers expense.  That and maybe the fact that SPL's amp killed my headphones. 

I have a Leica M9 digital camera the I broke 3 times from dropping it and other stupid events and one time the sensor malfunctioned.  I bought it used but through the Leica store here in Miami, Florida, with no warranty.  Each time it was fixed for free and the sensor was fixed "good will" was on the recipe with no charge.

Both German high end electronics manufacturers.....Coincidence.....I think not.

Hope you Interface is OK.

 
Title: Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
Post by: stargazer on June 15, 2017, 12:48:29 PM
Hi Jana......Good News, The SPL Phonitor Amp is fixed and arrives back to me today.  No Charge!  They said they would be gentle as possible regard the cost to fix.  I was not expecting for free after the warranty expired 5 months ago.

I feel this has something to do with the high quality of production and care that goes in to German manufacturing. Theres a certain pride that when something goes wrong whether it be the customers fault or not.  With in reason. It is not acceptable and is fixed at the manufacturers expense.  That and maybe the fact that SPL's amp killed my headphones. 

I have a Leica M9 digital camera the I broke 3 times from dropping it and other stupid events and one time the sensor malfunctioned.  I bought it used but through the Leica store here in Miami, Florida, with no warranty.  Each time it was fixed for free and the sensor was fixed "good will" was on the recipe with no charge.

Both German high end electronics manufacturers.....Coincidence.....I think not.

Hope you Interface is OK.

Julio: Glad to hear that your Phonitor Amp has been fixed and even for free. And with your Leica thats so cool :) Thats renowned German quality.
I also trusted in this quality when I bought my audio interface (RME is a German manufacturer) and it seems that it was worth the trust.
Not the audio interface has caused the problem but rather the Roland cables that I had used. The jacks simply had variances. But I still test this now over the weekend and then we will see.