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Title: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on February 20, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
I guess since we have discussed CDs, vinyl, cassettes and downloaded music files about the only thing we have left is to discuss the packaging.

My negative feelings about jewel cases are based on the following: they take up too dang much room.  Excluding the case itself, one can get four CDs and their inserts into the same space.  Also, about 20% of them arrive so that the center spokes are broken out or the hinges are damaged.  As time goes forward, it's only downhill for thiem.

I'm slowly replacing all my jewel cases with two pocket polyethylene bags.  In doing so, I am reclaiming enormous amounts of storage space that I need.

Since all the files are on the music server, I don't really need rapid access to the CD itself.  Hence they are being stored in bags.

Anyone need about 5000 jewel cases?  Can anyone think of what to do with this mountain of plastic?

Also I have noticed that recent CDs are approximately 50-50 jewel cases vs other forms of packaging such as digipacks and slim sleeves made of plastic or cardboard.  The older music is my collection consists of about 80-90% jewel cases.

Here's a little before and after.

(http://zzzone.net/files/bags.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: Joe R on February 20, 2011, 11:32:50 AM
I find jewel cases to be handy because the artist's name and album title are printed on the spine (usually). Having said that, I definitely prefer the thin ones.  But you're right, you definitely are saving some space there.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: Scott Raymond on February 20, 2011, 01:20:50 PM
We're doing something similar at the radio station. We're backing up all of our CD's onto hard drives for archival purposes, then eliminating the jewel boxes where possible and using the plastic sleeves. However, we put them in small cardboard boxes that can be labeled and put on shelves for easy categorization. Still a bit difficult to find the one you're looking for quickly, but at least there's some organization.

Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: mgriffin on February 20, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
This is a direction we considered going with Hypnos packaging, and while some people seemed to like it, we heard from enough people who didn't like it that we reconsidered and went with digipaks instead. I do agree, as a music listener and collector, that being able to read the artist and title on the spine is nice.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: Wanterkeelt on February 21, 2011, 01:08:35 AM
I don't have any problem with jewel cases, except one : their weight increases shipping prices in mailorders. So I always try to get my CDs sent without jewel cases. And when I sell parts of my collection on Discogs, I mostly send without jewel cases, so I have enough replacement cases.
I particularly like the cases with the transparent plastic, where you see the inside of the back artwork. I don't like the "old style" with the black opaque plastic though.
It's true that with the cases, CDs tend to take quite a lot of space, especially if your collection grows and grows. But puting them into bags.... meeeeh, I can't imagine that for my collection. For me that would be nearly as bad as a download release.... this may sound esoteric, but much of the charme would be lost.
For space saving, digipaks are an alternative, or those thin... "cardboard sleeve" as they call them, although I find that CDs tend to get scratches if you put them in and take them out often...
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: richardgurtler on February 21, 2011, 01:48:42 AM
As for myself, I definitely like the newest digipak packaging of Hypnos CDs, "Out and About" by Herion looks really nice and it was very good decision to go this way, Mike. I am not a big friend of sleeve packagings, yes, you can save a lot of storage place, cheaper shipping costs, but the insert/artwork can be easier damaged during the shipping and without a spine it's more difficult to find even if well organized. And the final product is less attractive in most cases. But there are some exceptions, for example Faria Records packagings with cards or Amplexus with its sublabels, no spines, but these ones are closer to special collector's items than to sleeve only packagings. I am a collector, so I have to accept that my growing collection will require some extra space, I think you have to deal with this no matter what you collect. Anyway, here are the types of packagings in order of my preference:

Special collector's item
Digipak (all types, with spine)
Standard jewel case (also plastic case with spine, dataObscura as example)
Slim single jewel case (with spine, Practising Nature/Bluebox as example)
Slim jewel case (with no spine)
Sleeve/wallet (with no spine)

Richard
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: Numina on February 21, 2011, 04:33:16 PM
Jim - PM'd you.   I need some cases.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on February 21, 2011, 07:34:07 PM
About the only good thing I can say about the plastic jewel case is that when you leave your  front seat passenger car window open with cd's sitting there and it rains,  ones digipacks dont fair so well.  Happened a few times.

Nice continuation on the other threads Jim!

Not a fan of any plastic, not just for environmental reasons.  lots of my jewel case hinges have broken which is easy to fix with more plastic.  Dont drop a jewel case on a tile floor or any hard floor.  After some use the jewel case can take on the appearance of an ice skating ring.  On the upside, they are cheaper to manufacture....though the cost difference between a digi and a jewel case has recently become considerably less.

For me the ultimate release format is the Digipack. All areas of artwork are better represented....a number of cover finishes are available from matte, semi gloss to gloss. Booklets et el are more accessible than jewel cases.  Ive broken many jewel cases over the years trying to get the cd liner cards out of the cases.     

In some ways the digipack is closer to a book format, or I should say book quality.  Theres a tactile feeling in the digi thats  totally lacking in a plastic cd jewel case.

Mostly digipacks are recycled material! 
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: ffcal on February 21, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
My new one on Projekt is in a 4-panel ecowallet (no plastic), with a matte finish. I think this is part of Projekt's move away from the traditional jewel box.  Digipacks are nice, too, but you have to be careful not to ding them.

Forrest
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: ambient789 on February 28, 2011, 07:58:06 PM
If my mail order CD's have broken Jewel Cases/center spokes I just put the CD & liner notes in a new case. Maybe Goodwill or some other organization can recycle some of your many cases after other have taken what they want!
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on March 19, 2011, 04:26:15 PM
I have been noticing a couple of things as I continue to rip my collection and transfer the original CDs from jewel case to bags:

1.  Many of the CD-Rs are turning gold-colored with time.
2.  More and more artists are using thin, but gatefold paper sleeves on their CDs.
3.  CD-Rs are increasingly common among new releases

...in case you are interested.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: ambient789 on March 19, 2011, 06:13:38 PM
I have been noticing a couple of things as I continue to rip my collection and transfer the original CDs from jewel case to bags:

1.  Many of the CD-Rs are turning gold-colored with time.
2.  More and more artists are using thin, but gatefold paper sleeves on their CDs.
3.  CD-Rs are increasingly common among new releases

...in case you are interested.

1. "Bronzing," a type of CD-R rot is probably going on.  Keep Transferring!
2 & 3 can't comment.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on April 14, 2011, 02:36:12 PM
This being Austin, music is king.

I've been able to sell all over 3000 jewel cases so far to musicians and music re-sellers.

Thank god for Craigslist.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on April 16, 2011, 09:20:23 AM
This case-to-bag transition has been the best thing that has happened to my music besides the introduction of the music server.

1.  I've systematically gone through the collection
2.  I've found gems that I immediately ripped for the server
3.  I've been able to reunite discs and their packaging
4.  I've found duplicates
5.  I've ripped about 10,000 tracks to FLAC for the server
6.  I've found CD-Rs that have degraded and asked for replacements
7.  I've ripped CD-Rs that looked like they were going South to "preserve" the music
8.  I've reclaimed massive amounts of shelf space
9.  I've made use of otherwise "wasted" TV time by transferring discs to bags while watching shows or movies
10. I've rediscovered great stuff that I didn't recall I even had
11. I've cataloged quite a bit of my collection on discogs.com

Overall, quite a positive experience.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: Mark Mushet on April 16, 2011, 03:28:36 PM
My new one on Projekt is in a 4-panel ecowallet (no plastic), with a matte finish. I think this is part of Projekt's move away from the traditional jewel box.  Digipacks are nice, too, but you have to be careful not to ding them.

Having provided art for this lovely disc (and a few others in the format) I must say it's a favourite! Though the ultimate hybrid is the Japanese edition of "Ocean Fire" by Willits/Sakamoto. It's like an ecowallet/digipak with a normal spine width and a flawless and secure way of holding the disc in place that I've never seen elsewhere.

The issue of archival survival is rarely addressed. I fear my recent Darla discs using the recycled board for artwork will not fare well. Mind you, some old jewel cases are made of dodgy plastics and in one case, a CMP jazz disc's white plastic tray went yellow and affected the paper stock!
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on May 14, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
There's no question in my mind after handling and examining thousands of jewel cases and many, many digipacks and sleeves.

Hands down the jewel cases lose in the aesthetics department.  I think the look and feel of digipacks and sleeves is markedly superior to the one-size-fits-all approach of most jewel cases.  I have a very different reaction to digipacks and sleeves.  Many are quite lovely.

There are exceptions.  I have some very unusual, one-of-a-kind jewel case works of art, but on the average, jewel cases lose.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on June 12, 2011, 04:26:06 AM
Frankly as I continue to trudge through the ripping process and eliminate all my jewel cases, I am amazed at some of the complex digipack presentations that fairly unknown artists are able to swing.

Is this more archaeological than anything?  Are these elaborate 4-panel fold-out digipacks now out of reach?

For example: http://www.discogs.com/Bovine-Life-Social-Electrics/release/84400

(http://zzzone.net/files/bovine-s.jpg) (http://zzzone.net/files/bovine.jpg)

How can a relatively obscure artist afford this gatefold digipack presentation?
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: ffcal on June 12, 2011, 11:38:01 AM

How can a relatively obscure artist afford this gatefold digipack presentation?


Maybe if more folks opted for the physical package, instead of the virtual one?...;)

Forrest
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: APK on June 12, 2011, 11:46:42 AM
How can a relatively obscure artist afford this gatefold digipack presentation?

Probably could only afford it once. And now has 950 copies stacked in his basement.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on June 12, 2011, 05:56:11 PM

Maybe if more folks opted for the physical package, instead of the virtual one?...;)

Forrest

I almost thought about hitting the "report to moderator" link.

Of all the folks on here, I would wager that I have purchased more physical product.  I'm drowning in it over here (http://zzzone.net/photo/2009/music1.jpg).

That's the reason that I now prefer files.  I just can't physically store any more CDs or vinyl or cassettes or 8-track tapes.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: ffcal on June 12, 2011, 06:29:37 PM
No need for excitement, Jim.  Your position on this is well known.  Just having a little fun.

Forrest
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on June 13, 2011, 03:19:40 AM
I was only kidding, Forrest.  Have a great week.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: mgriffin on June 13, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
I can vouch for Jim purchasing lots and lots and lots of CDs. We like that!
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on June 18, 2011, 06:20:36 AM
I just unloaded approximately 3000 more used jewel cases via Craigslist :)
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: LNerell on June 20, 2011, 01:55:07 PM
Of all the folks on here, I would wager that I have purchased more physical product.  I'm drowning in it over here (http://zzzone.net/photo/2009/music1.jpg).

You call that a collection?!? Only one entire floor to ceiling wall! ;D  Actually that is quite impressive. Are the polyethylene bags similar to what Amplexus use for their oversized art discs?  Just wondering as just about all of my plastic sleeves from Amplexus have deteriorated over the years.

Also, I was wondering what music server are you using? I've been slowly ripping my CDs to iTunes as Apple lossless format and can access them from my stereo in various ways, but all of them have faults that keep me from using them day to day.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: mgriffin on June 20, 2011, 02:25:59 PM
Jim has a bunch of posts in his own topic in the "Now Playing" area of the forum.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: mgriffin on June 20, 2011, 02:26:40 PM
Squeezebox:

http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=3778.0 (http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=3778.0)
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on June 22, 2011, 03:37:20 AM
Of all the folks on here, I would wager that I have purchased more physical product.  I'm drowning in it over here (http://zzzone.net/photo/2009/music1.jpg).

You call that a collection?!? Only one entire floor to ceiling wall! ;D  Actually that is quite impressive. Are the polyethylene bags similar to what Amplexus use for their oversized art discs?  Just wondering as just about all of my plastic sleeves from Amplexus have deteriorated over the years.

Also, I was wondering what music server are you using? I've been slowly ripping my CDs to iTunes as Apple lossless format and can access them from my stereo in various ways, but all of them have faults that keep me from using them day to day.

The bags are from bagsunlimited.com:

http://www.bagsunlimited.com/c-89-poly-sleeves.aspx

I'm using a poly-sleeve with 2 pockets and a fold over flap without adhesive:

http://www.bagsunlimited.com/p-3313-double-pocket-cd-sleeve-with-white-poly-separator-1-flap-no-tape.aspx

There are many variations.  I tried several before I selected the one I'm using.  I'm approximately 60-70% done with the process!  I'll post an updated picture of "the wall" later when there's more light.

There are many good music servers but the least expensive, most configurable option is the Logitech Squeezebox line:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems

I have a laptop with two 2-terrabyte hard drives as my dedicated music server which is connected by ethernet cable to my router.  The Wi-Fi players are all over the house:

A Boom is in my bedroom.  A Radio is in the guest bedroom.  I have another Boom in my office...with a subwoofer.  And I have a Touch in the living room hooked up to my stereo.

All are controllable via two Squeezebox LCD handheld controllers, my Android phone, an iPod, or my iPad.  The iPad is the ideal way to control the system with its large graphical interface; I can find and play music very easily...much easier than locating a disc in my physical collection.  And I forgot to mention that I can stream any of my music directly from my phone or the iPad.

The server software for Squeezebox runs on the laptop.  It's under constant development.  The SB forum offers help and fixes for problems and a lot more:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/

Sonos offer a great music server but the price per room is significantly higher:

http://sonos.com/

Olive is another contender at a higher price point:

http://www.olive.us/

There are plenty of other options.  I believe that Apple will at some point enter the market with more of a solution than they currently offer.  There was some noise here and elsewhere about 24-bit files.  The Logitech Touch supports 24-bit files fully; I suspect Apple's hardware will also.

Bottomline:  As I have said elsewhere, a music server is the only way to go as we move slowly away from CDs to a file-based future ;)

Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: 9dragons on June 30, 2011, 05:02:33 PM
I was just breaking down the remnants of my collection, and was annoyed by just having to do 50 or so! I sympathize with your plight Jim.

As I looked at the stack of useless plastic chunks that had been divested of their booklets, I got kind of disgusted by the whole thing. Jewel cases as objects are indeed lame things. Even the simplest paper sleeve is preferable. All the albums are in the carrying case, and I am looking at a small, beautiful stack of eco wallet/digipaks nestled on the bookshelf.

Though I am starting to think about the idea of albums being released as just some fine printed art, with a download code.
How would this go over with everyone on the forum?
I've noticed many friends turning back to the vinyl world, and some even without record players buying the record with a download code, just to get the full art experience.

I'm noticing on labels like Thrill Jockey, that the price of the cd/straight download/vinyl with download code is almost the same. Interesting...
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: petekelly on July 01, 2011, 03:58:05 AM
This is interesting, a USB flash drive release:
http://www.behance.net/adamnedage/frame/1274039

I was looking to do this as well.
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: zzzone.net on August 14, 2011, 10:31:59 AM
The transition from jewel cases is 90% complete.

(http://zzzone.net/files/bag1s.jpg) (http://zzzone.net/files/bag1.jpg)

(http://zzzone.net/files/bag2s.jpg) (http://zzzone.net/files/bag2.jpg)

(http://zzzone.net/files/bag3s.jpg) (http://zzzone.net/files/bag3.jpg)

I have reclaimed VAST areas of storage.  And a lucky camper or two has gotten some great deals on thousands of slightly used jewel cases.

Win - win :)
Title: Re: Jewel Cases
Post by: hdibrell on August 14, 2011, 03:24:07 PM
Wow! That is some serious space you saved.