[ Hypnos Forum ]

MUSIC, AMBIENCE AND SOUND ART => Now Playing => Topic started by: mattborghi on February 12, 2008, 11:36:31 AM

Title: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: mattborghi on February 12, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
I'm sitting here now listening to Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezade, and before that some chamber works of Debussy on Vermont Public Radio, and it got me to thinking. As a composer and fan of music there's a very direct link to "classical" music (a loaded term, at best) including the likes of symphonic and chamber music of the last three or four centuries and ambient, spacemusic, whathaveyou. For instance, Gustav Mahler in the first few minutes of his Ninth Symphony (from 1910) uses an excellent compositional technique that really alludes to an echoed guitar or piano, pre-dating this kind of compositional method and technology by 40-50 years; it's done in the strings, and very much creates a textural and spatial experience that I find extremely reminiscent of Eno's Discreet Music, and portions of Pink Floyd's earlier post-Syd Barret, pre-Darkside work. Anyhow, as I sit here listening to Scheherezade, which is by no means anything other than a densely packed symphonic tone poem, there are still parts where the main melody floats on a textural harmonic fabric, which truly brings to mind some of the finest offerings of this genre, and of the Hypnos label, itself including James Johnson, Jeff Pearce and Richard Bone, as well as Justin Vanderberg's In Waking Moments, which I've been enjoying very much of late.

I just wanted to see what other kinds of classical or contemporary composition music is being listened to by fans of the ambient music genre. For me, there's Debussy, Vaughan-Williams, Satie (of course), Ravel (Daphne et Chloe, for sure), Arvo Part, Alan Hovanhess, John Barry, and Mahler.

One of the other things that comes to mind about "classical" and contemporary compositions and ambient is in both instances, these genres lend themselves to a deeper, richer and less superficial, listening experience. Curious to hear what others think...

Matt
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: jblock on February 12, 2008, 12:01:14 PM
I don't listen to classical music much, but when I'm in the mood I typically reach for Bartok's Complete String Quarterts, played by the Emerson Quartet, which are really amazing. I also enjoy some Prokofiev and Stravinsky, particularly the Mercury Living Presence CD reissues. Some of this Mercury series is available as three-channel SACD releases:
http://www.deccaclassics.com/music/mercurylivingpresence/ (http://www.deccaclassics.com/music/mercurylivingpresence/)

Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: mattborghi on February 12, 2008, 01:14:55 PM
Three-channel? Interesting. How does SACD work? I remember my sister bought an SACD of Aqualung, maybe 10 years ago, by accident, and all I remember is that it wouldn't play in a regular CD player. I'm amazingly low-tech for somebody working in an audiophile's genre...

I have listened to some of those Mercury Living Presence series' before, and indeed they are quite nice. I'm intrigued with the Bartok String Quartets. Generally, I think of his orchestral work, but timbrally I could definitely imagine what that might sound like with a smaller group, and I like the impression in my mind's ear. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm going to check that out.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: dwight on February 12, 2008, 01:22:50 PM
Matt,

I listen at times more to classical then contemporary music. There is so much to learn here... Odd as this may be and with minor exception I did not listen to contemporary/pop/ambient until the late nineties. And while I am confessing I never heard any Roach or Rich until 3 years ago.

Here is what is in heavy rotation:

Brahms
Paul Hindemith
Charles Ives
Arnold Schoenberg
Telemann - all of his music for winds
Webern
and there are numerous Russian composer I listen too often.

and like you I like Rimsky-Korsakov, Arvo Part. I also like Brayers and Taverner.

Lately, I have been really enjoying a Glenn Gould recordings of Schoenberg on Sony (nice)
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: Mark Mushet on February 12, 2008, 01:34:29 PM
I typically reach for Bartok's Complete String Quarterts, played by the Emerson Quartet, which are really amazing.

Just saw the Emerson last week (unfortunately for me, playing Brahms and Schubert). They encored with a snippet of Webern which had me wishing for more modern fare.

I had the 1990 (I think) set of Bartok quartets on DG but found the sound quality wanting and traded it for a newer recording by the Vertavo Quartet. In retrospect it was probably my early CD player/speaker set up that failed the Emerson discs.

In any case, Bartok and Shostakovich string quartets are essential...as are R. Murray Schafer's!
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: jblock on February 12, 2008, 01:42:49 PM
Three-channel? Interesting. How does SACD work? I remember my sister bought an SACD of Aqualung, maybe 10 years ago, by accident, and all I remember is that it wouldn't play in a regular CD player. I'm amazingly low-tech for somebody working in an audiophile's genre...

SACDs are higher resolution than regular CDs and are typically either two-channel or 5.1 surround and often include a regular CD layer in the discs. Some SACDs of recordings that were originally released in quad use 4 (or 4.1). Stuff like some of the Moody Blues SACD reissues, Jeff Beck Blow by Blow, etc. Anyway, these Mercury Living SACDs use three channels (left, right, center) and were originally recorded on three tracks. They also include a regular CD layer and are often quite inexpensive.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: dwight on February 12, 2008, 02:07:18 PM
...Anyway, these Mercury Living SACDs use three channels (left, right, center) and were originally recorded on three tracks. They also include a regular CD layer and are often quite inexpensive.

I own quite of few of these Mercury recordings as SACD Hybrids and they are quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: jkn on February 12, 2008, 02:33:39 PM
To say I really "know" a lot about classical would be a stretch - but it's always been in the background all my life and I've had deeper dabbles here and there.   My high school music teacher got me into Mahler.    I've love Debussy since I was a kid - Claire de Lune was my mom's favorite song.   I always loved the lack of tonal center - but not drifting into harsh atonality either...    I studied some of the Schoenberg stuff in college - played some Bartok from time to time.  I had a fantastic piano teacher that had me play lots and lots of more 'modern' classical that I have no idea who they were - wish I did.

I always enjoyed the 'biggie's' playing piano - Bach, Beethoven, etc...
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: g.@.b. on February 12, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
I enjoy listening to classical as well as looking for "crossover" pieces with which to mix in ambient selections.

Some artists/composers I spin regularly: Arvo Paert, Yo-Yo Ma, Mozart, John Tavener, Vaughan Williams, Dan Trueman (experimental), Alexander Borodin, Murcof, Franz Schubert, Beethoven, Beaux Arts Trio, Gidon Kremer, Deaf Center (Nest, too), Franz Liszt, John Cage & Toru Takemitsu.

Here's a link to an interesting album by Dan Trueman Machine Language:
http://www.amazon.com/Dan-Trueman-Language-Arash-Amini/dp/B00029LNG4
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: 1000snakes on February 12, 2008, 02:54:53 PM
Matt, you have no idea how pathetically low-tech I am, ha,ha!!!

I listen to a lot of classical music these days but nowhere near the amount that I used to. I worked for the late Tower Records in Sacramento for over 20 years, during which I was both a jazz buyer and a classical buyer before I moved to management. I received many promos and purchased a lot of music at an employee discount over those many years. As a result I have a pretty large classical collection on CD (had tons of jazz on vinyl which wound up at Rick Ballard's store in Oakland when I moved to Canada).

I too enjoy the composers previously mentioned. Mahler sometimes arranged his orchestra with a special sort of "stereo field" in mind. He and Charles Ives among others had performers play offstage for sonic effect.

I fell in love with Paul Hindemith's music and had to collect everything by him that I could. The same thing happened to me with Czech composer, Bohuslav Martinu. Symphonies, concerto works, chamber or choral, I loved it all.

The works of Olivier Messiaen, Lou Harrison, Henri Dutilleux and George Crumb might also appeal to ambient listeners. Berlin school lovers might check out the works of electro-classical composer, Morton Subotnik or the freaky studies for player piano by  Conlon Nancarrow. 

The Mercury Living Presence series are very cool. One of my favorites is the "Hanson Conducts Ives, (William) Schuman and Mennin". That performance of the middle movement of William Schuman's "New England Triptych" was a definite influence on my piece, "Scarecrow" on the "Sounds of a Universe Overheard" compilation.


 
 

Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: dwight on February 12, 2008, 04:25:19 PM
I listen to a lot of classical music these days but nowhere near the amount that I used to. I worked for the late Tower Records in Sacramento...

....I fell in love with Paul Hindemith's music and had to collect everything by him that I could. The same thing happened to me with Czech composer, Bohuslav Martinu. Symphonies, concerto works, chamber or choral, I loved it all.

The Mercury Living Presence series are very cool. One of my favorites is the "Hanson Conducts Ives, (William) Schuman and Mennin". That performance of the middle movement of William Schuman's "New England Triptych" was a definite influence on my piece, "Scarecrow" on the "Sounds of a Universe Overheard" compilation.

Tower Records...What a great store! Really miss it!

Good call, I forgot Hindemith, brilliant material there.

"Hanson Conducts Ives", true fact that is an interesting recording!

And while I am at it, "Scarecrow", what great track!!
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: mattborghi on February 13, 2008, 05:15:28 AM
Man, so many great recommendations...

The references to Howard Hanson DO remind me that I have a pretty good series of Gerard Schwarz conducting most of his symphonic works. Hanson's No. 2 blew me away the first time I heard it. I had never heard of him and when I got deeper into his work I realized that he was a symphonist on par with Vaughn-Williams, and Mahler. It's also true that Mahler did seem to compose for a stereo effect, and Ives' Three Places in New England in many ways was a real stab at creating a natural open-air ambience where you he created an effect of two contrasting marching bands come by as if one were on a mainstreet during a parade, sort of creating that sonic experience.

I find that while I like listening to recordings, I REALLY like listening to radio for the sort of discoveries that come from the arbitrariness of the selections. Some stations I keeped plugged in are WOSU out of Columbus, Ohio, Vermont Public Radio's classical stream, Minnesota Public Radio, at one time it was syndicated as Music through the Night, but really it was just a 24 hour music service, and a real fave is KING FM in Seattle. Anybody have any other recommendations?
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: dwight on February 13, 2008, 07:15:57 AM
Anybody have any other recommendations?

WGTE FM and WETA FM have good straight ahead classical feeds.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: 1000snakes on February 13, 2008, 08:40:46 AM
Thank you for the kind words Dwight.

I used to listen to KXPR back in Sacramento. I particularly enjoyed a program called "The Record Shelf" hosted by Jim Svedja. He would compare a number of recordings of the same piece and play portions of those recordings. Very interesting and informative. Also there were composer overviews and interviews. I believe that you can find an internet stream of "The Record Shelf" through this link: http://jrabold.net/radio/2rec.shtml

Matt, I enjoyed Schwarz's Hanson series as well. He made some fine recordings of other American composers that included David Diamond and the previously mentioned William Schuman. I discovered a lot of wonderful music through Schwarz's recordings.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: ffcal on February 13, 2008, 09:46:56 PM
I had a pretty heavy dose of the classics when I was growing up.  Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, and a smattering of the contemporary stuff that would creep in when our family would see the LA Philharmonic.  I remember very clearly seeing/hearing a John Cage premiere that was to commemorate the nation's bicentennial.  The piece had about three or four different sections going on at once at different parts of auditorium, and I remember a very old lady near us rolling up her problem and booing loudly.  I also remember putting my hand over the end of her program because I wanted to hear more of the music!  (I had a lot of cheek as a teenager.)  As a teenager, I was also exposed to Bartok (his concerto for orchestra is still one of my favorite works) and Copland (though Appalachian Spring was great, but couldn't get into his serial works), and was also familiar with the progification of some these works through progrock groups like Emerson, Lake & Palmer.  I also remember being introduced to Rachmamninoff's Symphonic Dances from a classmate who now teaches composition at UCLA.

I stuidied a bit of formal classical composition when I went to college and belonged to a collegium, but didn't think I had the discipline or the chops to make a go at a career in classical music.  Probably the most lasting influence from the classical area on my own music came from the minimalists like Steve Reich, Philip Glass and Terry Riley.  Reich's "Music for 18 Musicians" was particularly a revelation to me.  These days, I actually lean more towards stuff that I didn't listen that much when I was younger--baroque music (particularly concernto grossi), Debussy solo piano music and Mozart piano concertos.

Forrest
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: craig on February 18, 2008, 01:51:27 PM
Gustav Mahler is by far and away my favourite classical composer and the one I listen to most. Though I also listen to and enjoy Rachmaninov and someone who probably wouldn't be everyone's first choice as a classical/orchestral composer, Frank Zappa. I think certain styles of classical music appeal to ambient music fans as although by first appearance they may seem worlds apart, aesthetically they're quite similar and the motivation behind the music i think is similar in the respect that it's often appreciated more when you listen by yourself, rather than in a group setting as you need to pay close attention to the detail to appreciate it in full.

you also have crossover composers such as Edgar Varese whom i think could quite easily fit into both genres, despite the fact he was composing long before ambient music was conceived as a genre.

Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: uhurit on February 19, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
Check out Theatrum Chemicum, whose  driving force is Enrico Cosimi, aka Tau Ceti.
Also, can never go wrong with Gustav Mahler and contemporary Scandinavian composers like Norgard
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: sraymar on February 19, 2008, 08:41:49 PM
There's a melancholy movement in Elgar's "Spanish Lady Stuite" I like and tried to learn using synth strings but backed off from out of laziness that has some ambient qualities.

Also I recently bought a Paul O'Dette lute CD featuring composer Daniel Bacheler's music called 'Bachelar's Delight'. I dable with classical guitar and I like how articulate the lute is.

Steve
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: dwight on February 24, 2008, 12:36:47 PM
Paul Hindemith - Music for Cello & Piano
Weber on Cello/ Buck on Piano
Nice recording. Cheesy cover.

Telemann - Paris Quartets
Nice recording. One of those SACD hydrids

Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: dwight on March 03, 2008, 09:44:05 AM
I would also suggest reading Classical Music in America: A History of Its Rise and Fall by Joseph Horowitz.

A rather interesting commentary on institutionalized music and soloist. As well as a great historic review of why Orchestras are in their current state of decline.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: Gurdonark on April 24, 2008, 07:30:29 PM
I love classical music. When I listen to classical, I tend to listen to:
Sibelius, whose austere majesty, though non-ambient, certainly can find a resonance with ambient music
Satie, a father of ambient music
Milhaud, someone who appreciated sound as sound
Copland, arguably not "ambient" at all, and yet someone willing to put aside the formalism of his time to find a way to use sound to connect with an audience--to me a very ambient idea, in that our music is in some ways a different kind of individualized folk music.
early chants and church vocal pieces, which are ambient in design and execution

Even composers who might not be "ambient" even by analogy, such as Tchaikovsky, make densely textured music which speaks in broad instrumental passages--a reward for patience that any ambient fan completely understands.
Dark ambient fans appreciate how Schoenberg's work is essentially kindred to dark ambient material made under its shadow.

Among the modernists, Philip Glass' minimalism resonates with ambient minimalism (which is, actually, a by-product of the application of the minimalist theories to our more "folk" idiom). Golijov's music is "narrative" in its sound, and yet part of the joy of hearing it is that it is a celebration of sound itself.

Lately I think we must "save" classical music from a generation no longer attuned to it--and in so doing, we will save and extend the ambient listening base as well. If one bought 1 classical album for every 4 ambient ones, then perhaps the world would be a more classical--and ambient--place.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: ffcal on May 09, 2008, 12:25:40 AM
Having been brought up on classical music and having had some rudimentary compositional training in it in college, I can't think of a time when I haven't been listening to it, though my tastes have changed over the years.  In the last few years, I've been listening to a lot of Mozart piano concertos, Baroque chamber music (especially concerto grossi) and pianists such as Mitsuko Uchida, Richard Goode (who recently gave a great recital in Berkeley), and Glenn Gould.  I think the classical training has helped me to identify structure and form in music more clearly, whether I'm recording my own stuff or listening for pleasure.

Forrest
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: deepspace on June 08, 2008, 05:43:53 AM
The comparison between composers like Debussy, and ambient music is very valid.

Debussy, and a lot of his contemporaries and followers were very much interested in the sounds of the east, in particular gamelan based music.  The fifths and whole tone usage in some of these impressionistic compositions echoes the tonally nebulous sounds of the bells and gongs of gamelan music to a great extent.

And ambient music often plays around with this too- Going back to 1/1 by Brian Eno- the piano sounds like part of a gamelan orchestra with it's detached bell-like sound.  The drone itself, i think is an attempt to continue the sustain of the bell, or the slowing of the thought.....the slowing down of time, in an attempt to enter those impossible places that ambient music speaks about.  The diffuse yet tonal harmony that a lot of ambient composers play with....overlapping keys etc are attempting to achieve the same sense of magic and wonder that Debussy and Ravel were trying to create. 

Ives, "The unfinished chord", written at the beginning of the 20th century....could be an ambient album- the slow string part repeats in a way that would not be seen again until minimalism in the 60's.  Uncanny.


Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: deepspace on June 08, 2008, 05:48:02 AM
Vaughan Williams always reminds me of Steve Roach. :)

There's something about the way they both represent landscape that just blows my mind.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: DeepR on June 30, 2008, 05:19:36 PM
I'm very much into piano music.

Currently studying on the piano my beloved and famous Rachmaninov - Prelude in C sharp Minor Op. 3 No. 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSO6dfTgVOY

I'll get there, slowly but surely...doing the middle section at half that speed for the moment.
When I started with piano lessons almost a year ago I could have never dreamed of trying to play this.
But it helped a lot that I played keyboard/synth for many years as a kid.

Oh and someday, I hope to be able to play this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXjk7GkCF8
Dunno if that's even possible not having been a child prodigy and all. Keep dreaming ;D
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: deepspace on August 16, 2008, 01:27:28 AM
Jeez, that's a big piece.  Massive chords.  I remember a student learning that piece for an audition for the Conservatorium of Music here in Queensland.  It was far too ambitious, and he didn't get into the program, probably because of that.  So many players over-reach in the classical world, and attempt pieces that are way beyond their reach.  I would say that the adjudicators would have wanted to see something far simpler.

Hope it's going well with the piece anyway. :)
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: DeepR on August 17, 2008, 08:49:48 AM
Jeez, that's a big piece.  Massive chords.  I remember a student learning that piece for an audition for the Conservatorium of Music here in Queensland.  It was far too ambitious, and he didn't get into the program, probably because of that.  So many players over-reach in the classical world, and attempt pieces that are way beyond their reach.  I would say that the adjudicators would have wanted to see something far simpler.

Hope it's going well with the piece anyway. :)

It's an advanced piece but it's not that hard to learn. 'Easy to learn, hard to master' as they say.
I can play it now. :) Pretty decent I think.
But you're right in the piano world this is one of those pieces that is considered 'overplayed'. Many home recordings on youtube, some very bad.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: Antdude on August 17, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
Since we're posting youtube clips, I thought I'd contribute to the Sunday conversation with this clip of Vladimir Horowitz's 1986 recital in Moscow.

         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmqDOjHx70

 It was my first laserdisc purchase  ;D and this was my favorite piece from that performance. I love Scarlatti and this is a beautiful interpretation.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: 1000snakes on August 17, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
Here is one approach for playing some of Rachmaninov's more challenging voicings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: Dave Fisher on August 21, 2008, 07:55:37 AM
Been LOVING the new Jason Sloan album "Ending Light." I can't wait to get this album going during the Fall. Wonderful music for that season.
Also been playing the second two album from Ulrich Schnauss, "A Strangely Isolated Place" and "Good Bye"
Pulled out the live Sonic Youth album "Sonic Death Live" the other day from 1985-86. Good stuff. I also downloaded from emusic the second disc of Papa Roach's Emptus. I really like the second track on there a lot "Release." A lot of that track draws on material from the actual album proper, but it's like a good remix. I'm curious about Land Mass now... hopefully it's new material and not recycled Roach. I hate when he does that.

Dave
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: solyaris on August 22, 2008, 03:34:04 AM
here mentioned Arvo Pärt ... so I have to mention Björk :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pDjT1UNT3s
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: scarletcat on September 19, 2008, 07:03:30 AM
I love classis music specially 80's music
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: solyaris on September 19, 2008, 07:27:23 AM
80's music

do  you mean Beethoven or Björk ? :)

giorgio
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: Kaarinen on October 15, 2008, 07:35:39 AM
Since Pärt is mentioned, I think this Estonian composer might also do the trick for some of you. A friend of mine  recently recommended Urmas Sisask and I've now really taken a liking to his Magnificat. Haven't heard anything else from him yet, but I think I'll have to look for more soon.

Veijo Tormis has some interesting stuff as well, check it out!
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: SunDummy on October 15, 2008, 10:23:42 AM
As I get older, I find myself listening to the more experimental and challenging modern composers, as opposed to more 'smooth' or 'beautiful' stuff.  Not sure why, but for some reason atonal and dissonant sounds seem to call to me.   :)

A big fave is Iancu Dumitrescu; his stuff is both annoying and amazing at the same time.  Incredible sounds from 'normal' instruments.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: cookie monster on November 15, 2008, 10:47:13 PM
This topic I expected. love classical music. I was listening to classical music before psy & chill.  Chopin in particular loves it.  ;) Nocturne and Farewell Song(op-10-3)  which are the most famous for music of Chopin are the works which I love.
And I want to say goodbye by a live broadcasting performance in my funeral at church.  :'( This was a dream from time of the junior high student  ::)However, I think that this music is "ENDE" good now
Farewell Song op10-3http://classic-midi.com/midi_player/mbox/mbox_Chopin_wakare.htm  (http://classic-midi.com/midi_player/mbox/mbox_Chopin_wakare.htm)
Nocturne  op9-2http://classic-midi.com/midi_player/classic/cla_Chopin_nocturn2.htm (http://classic-midi.com/midi_player/classic/cla_Chopin_nocturn2.htm)
Ende kettlehttp://microsites.sendingorbs.com/so009/ (http://microsites.sendingorbs.com/so009/)
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: DeepR on November 19, 2008, 06:19:27 PM
As someone who is passionate about both electronic music/ambient and classical music I'm always curious how classical enthusiasts perceive electronic music (that I think is good).
I dont want to compare these incomparable and totally different music genres, but I'm just interested in their tastes I guess...and their 'ability' to appreciate other music.
For me the connection is that both genres can stimulate me intellectually and emotionally on the same level, deeper than any other music.

I'm active on some piano forums and I was thinking about making a topic on this. But I don't know... I think I will encounter a lot snobbism from classical purists who despise everything that isn't classical.
I think electronic music, more specifically ambient (in the broadest sense) may require a specific mindset to be able to appreciate... ;D
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: DeepR on February 07, 2009, 12:59:37 PM
Here's something on the piano I recently recorded. :)

Rachmaninov - Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini, 18th variation (solo piano arrangement)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nfk5hmunjj2

Instrument: Roland HP-201 digital piano

and for those interested in the sheet music:
*link dead*

Enjoy!
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: ffcal on February 08, 2009, 02:07:23 AM
Nice performanace, DeepR.  Thanks for sharing.  The arrangement sounds a lot nicer without the swelling orchestra.

I enjoy classical and electronic music equally, but probably for different reasons.  I think the structure and logic of baroque and minimalist music probably appeal to me on a subliminal level, but it's not a conscious thing.  Electronic music has always appealed as a seemingly three-dimensional environment that can approached from different angles.  I've never felt purist about classical, though I certainly have my preferences as to styles and performers.  I also have very eclectic tastes, having been brought up on heavy doses of progressive rock, non-Western musics and exploratory jazz.

Forrest
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: Ekstasis on February 11, 2009, 10:19:25 PM
Has anyone heard Giya Kancheli ???

He is kind of comparable with Pärt...both have en spiritual approach to the music, kancheli is maybe more minimalistic and bleak....

I can recommend the following albums....

Diplipito
In l'istesso tempo
Magnum Ignotum
Exil
Abii Ne Viderem
Simi; Mourned by the Wind
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: cookie monster on February 12, 2009, 06:53:56 AM
Rachmaninov - Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini, 18th variation (solo piano arrangement)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nfk5hmunjj2

Thank you for telling the music.
It is very beautiful & wonderful. I am listening to the music a hundred times.
It is.......superexcellent.I love this music.

Instrument: Roland HP-201 digital piano

and for those interested in the sheet music:
http://piano-score-central.googlegroups.com/web/Rachmaninov+(arr+Pochacco)+Variations+on+a+Theme+by+Paganini%2C+XVIII.pdf?hl=en&gda=m84du4QAAACG0PaSvnRyYfYrAlAjmADSaCgeVeztU25u0ENMrOTO_bTdpLYjuHUX615T16k0RV1x9cMnKZh-5QdDC9J-7J4qIUWdWzfnf7jDFHO1Kpittn4452JM2BDRLZ0Ml5ONl4JpJVdI-9PHcieKrnB-4Kly4mf4Zs8N13e6VS8yj3UTx83OAWZC50hVl-fZ6-QcRqg

I will try to it. Thank you.

Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: DeepR on February 13, 2009, 04:55:54 PM
Thanks ffcal and cookie monster. I put a lot of effort into that one. :)

I am currently giving a try at this veeery beautiful Etude from Scriabin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NL&hl=nl&v=NSsKJIzwapA

It may not seem incredibly complicated but to play this with the proper voicing is really hard.
Title: Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
Post by: DeepR on April 12, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
I dropped the Scriabin, but meanwhile I have been progressing slowly but steadily with...

Rachmaninov - Prelude Op.32 No.10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxFI2cphuN0

An exquisite piece I am deeply in love with. I looked for some background info and apparently it was Rachmaninov's own favorite. He was inspired by this painting called "The Return" when he made it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/B%C3%B6cklin_Die_Heimkehr_1887.jpg