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Title: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Joe LP on October 23, 2011, 03:05:23 AM
If you were to be  exiled to a desert island and, as an Austere fan, were allowed to bring with you only one work by the ambient master duo, you could hardly do better than choose "The Sound of Silence I" box set.

Commemorating the group's 10th anniversary in 2008, TSOS1 is designed as a standalone "music kit" showcasing the astonishing breadth, vitality, and  creativity of Austere's ouevre in their first decade of existence. The box set is subtitled "An Unnatural History of Rare and Orphaned Tracks"; still, it contains more than three hours of aural inventions that strongly evoke the spirit of the group's more well known released work--from their inimitable etheric floating atmospheres to "psybient" to dark esoteric  drones and ambient rock.

The box set is both sonic euphoria and beautiful, nostalgic, design. It consists mainly of  a 500 Mb San Disk (flash memory card) containing the rare/orphaned tracks in 320 Kbps mp3 format, an mp3 player and usb cable, a 3" and a standard cd rom disk (for the mp3 player drivers) featuring Zen-inspired artwork, a copy of the Austere manifesto and proof of authenticity, and a mysterious set of randomly-selected photos of the band members. As a work of art, this assemblage works wonderfully well--if you've seen Joseph Cornell's surrealist boxes in an art museum, you'll get an idea of TSOS1's effect on your Uncollective Unconscious. (And if TSOS1 one day gains a spot in some museum of contemporary art, I will not be surprised.)
 
Although the included mp3 player is serviceable, you will certainly want high-quality equipment to do the musick some justice.  I recommend transferring the tracks to a hi-fi device and listening to them from there while visually and tactilely savoring your prized Austere box (a unique one among a limited edition of 50).

The tracks are divided semi-thematically into folders, for example:
1. Drone Download Project - Austere's contributions to Stephen Phillips' Drone Download Project; fantastic drifting drones for unforgettable waking dreams.
2. Live - Contains the single track "Shadoworld", a unique and luscious psybient piece, apparently in praise of the "Shadow" superhero of 1930's popular fiction.
3. Compilations - material previously released in compilation albums; some highlights are the incomparably satisfying floating track "The Cuce" and the unforgettable "Big Bang Into Particle Acceleration", a triumph of sonic stimulation.
4. Unreleased - some of these unreleased but well-crafted tracks seem to be takes on material from the albums "Mirror" and "Fade".

In conclusion, the unique box set TSOS1 shows that much of Austere's best work remains "rare" or "orphaned".  Yet while this is an unfortunate state of affairs, it is more than compensated for by the heightened pleasure and appreciation of the group's genius among the magic box's lucky owners.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: APK on October 23, 2011, 07:14:14 AM
I'm afraid this reads more like over-the-top self promotion than a review !
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: ffcal on October 23, 2011, 08:48:16 AM
I'm afraid this reads more like over-the-top self promotion than a review !

Maybe Lisa Franklyne, under a pseudonym?
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Joe LP on October 23, 2011, 02:16:31 PM
Self-promotion it it is not... it's just a "glowing review". I regret if it sounds like self-promotion. I'm only an Austere fan who feels that his favorite group has not gotten the exposure it deserves. If a "real" review must say something explicitly negative about the product (instead of just hinting at it), then here's the missing part of my review:

The mp3 player sucks--although it works, there's constant hissing in the audio.

The 3" disk with drivers did not work for my drive; I had to dig out an old cd-r card reader from my closet to transfer the tracks to my laptop... and this took me quite a while!

Some of the tracks sound "raw" and unedited, like they were recorded out of a small garage with a bus parked nearby.

The box definitely looks homemade and put together with scissors and glue from someone's bedroom.

The band suffers from an overactive spaced-out, possibly drugged-out, imagination. Their fans likely suffer from the same, and therefore their reviews should not be taken seriously.

Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: El culto on October 23, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
I'm afraid this reads more like over-the-top self promotion than a review !

I first thought i read an official press text for announcing a new release.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on October 23, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
As the sub-heading says: "Music Reviews and Only Music Reviews."  Perhaps that should be respected.  If people start criticizing and being suspicious of someone's review it's going to ruin it.  I have been tempted myself to comment on reviews that don't seem very objective, but held back because it is their opinion and they should be able to express it without somebody "reviewing" their review.  BTW, although I don't think you should have to defend your opinion, nice comeback Joe LP: I liked the "missing part" of your review!  ;D
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: El culto on October 23, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
As the sub-heading says: "Music Reviews and Only Music Reviews."  Perhaps that should be respected.

I didnīt read "no comments allowed"
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on October 23, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
No comment. 8)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: ffcal on October 23, 2011, 07:53:43 PM
I'd say that an extensive formal review posted anonymously with no previous participation that tends to read more like a press release is certainly likely to raise a few eyebrows.   Put another way, "hmmmm..."  On the other hand, maybe the listener simply cribbed from the press release itself.

Forrest
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Joe LP on October 23, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
Thanks drone on, you voice of reason! It's not everyday that I get practically accused of being a shill by simply writing a glowing review, so I was feeling somewhat overwhelmed until your post. I have bought several Austere items from the Hypnos Store, but only joined the forum yesterday for the purpose of writing my review. Recently, I bought the box set at a significant discount from Austere itself, who mentioned to me that it had so far not sold well, and so the review was my way of expressing thanks and generating some interest in the item.

All: It was not my intention to create such a fuss. I was just attempting to communicate, perhaps too zealously, my enthusiasm for the Austere box set. After all,  I was expecting to get only 'leftover' tracks of sub-par quality, but found some excellent music instead. I suppose the great difference between my previous expectations and my delight at being proved so roundly wrong made me a bit too generous of praise. In the future, I will try to limit my glowing reviews to the Buddha or Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on October 24, 2011, 12:01:18 AM
Hahaha! 

P.s.  For the record, when I read that review I thought it was simply a glowing review, nothing more.  Guess I better be careful not to spew too much over "Martian Chronicles" so people don't think I'm gettin paid off as a Hypnos secret agent. 8)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Seren on October 24, 2011, 01:39:48 AM
It has been an intriguing thread to read....

Joe, thanks for the review and I'd like to make a (hopefully) constructive comment - you describe the releases physical form and it's intent/purpose very well, but these words overshadowed your description of the music and I think that is what creates the impression of 'press release'....and the music is what people (me including) were hungering to read about.

Is there any chance you could give us some more thoughts/feelings/reflections on the music?








[invisible text]Drone on, the first cheque is in the post - second will be sent when review appears[/invisible text]
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: ffcal on October 24, 2011, 07:41:13 AM
Joe,

I'd like to offer a few more constructive comments as well:

(1) Try to use less purple prose in your reviews--we've have a case or three of well-meaning imposters on this board;

(2) Try to avoid using the term, "musick," lest we think we think you are one of the Austere duo.

Forrest
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Joe LP on October 24, 2011, 09:17:26 AM
Hello Seren,

Your comments are well taken. As a simple listener with no musical training, I try to avoid descriptions such as "meditative", "ethereal", "mind-expanding", which would convey the way I feel about the music, but which are plainly vague and devoid of substance. It's basically a non-communicable experience--or at least any words would sound silly from someone like me. Besides, the box set spans the whole range of Austere's work, which is pretty diverse; it affects me differently depending on which "persona" I happen to be listening to, and so even if I could describe my feelings adequately, it would make the review too long.

Perhaps the best I can do in this regard is to mention other music that I like and build recommendations from these, for example: if you like SOTL (especially "Avec Laudenum"), you'll like this music; if you like Oophoi, this work is highly recommended for you, etc. My apologies if all this sounds cliche or like something you could have just learned from amazon--that's why I omitted it from the review.

Incidentally, the Austere work might also be of interest to those (such as myself) who liked very much "The Martian Chronicles", and indeed thought it was a masterpiece. (Congratulations on that wonderful release!) But lest I be pointed out again for overly effusive remarks, I will end this post here, and also all further posting on this topic.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Scott M2 on October 24, 2011, 10:09:00 AM
Self-promotion it it is not... it's just a "glowing review". I regret if it sounds like self-promotion. I'm only an Austere fan who feels that his favorite group has not gotten the exposure it deserves. If a "real" review must say something explicitly negative about the product (instead of just hinting at it), then here's the missing part of my review:

The mp3 player sucks--although it works, there's constant hissing in the audio.

The 3" disk with drivers did not work for my drive; I had to dig out an old cd-r card reader from my closet to transfer the tracks to my laptop... and this took me quite a while!

Some of the tracks sound "raw" and unedited, like they were recorded out of a small garage with a bus parked nearby.

The box definitely looks homemade and put together with scissors and glue from someone's bedroom.

The band suffers from an overactive spaced-out, possibly drugged-out, imagination. Their fans likely suffer from the same, and therefore their reviews should not be taken seriously.

Actually, this addition does turn it into a balanced review and I quite enjoyed your writing for this part.  ;)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Seren on October 24, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
Hello Seren,

Your comments are well taken. As a simple listener with no musical training, I try to avoid descriptions such as "meditative", "ethereal", "mind-expanding", which would convey the way I feel about the music, but which are plainly vague and devoid of substance. It's basically a non-communicable experience--or at least any words would sound silly from someone like me. Besides, the box set spans the whole range of Austere's work, which is pretty diverse; it affects me differently depending on which "persona" I happen to be listening to, and so even if I could describe my feelings adequately, it would make the review too long.

Perhaps the best I can do in this regard is to mention other music that I like and build recommendations from these, for example: if you like SOTL (especially "Avec Laudenum"), you'll like this music; if you like Oophoi, this work is highly recommended for you, etc. My apologies if all this sounds cliche or like something you could have just learned from amazon--that's why I omitted it from the review.

Incidentally, the Austere work might also be of interest to those (such as myself) who liked very much "The Martian Chronicles", and indeed thought it was a masterpiece. (Congratulations on that wonderful release!) But lest I be pointed out again for overly effusive remarks, I will end this post here, and also all further posting on this topic.

Hi Joe,

Words such as meditative/ethereal/mind-expanding would indeed convey what you feel and as a simple musician with no musical training I would take them with my own light (or strange) twist of perception to create my own comprehension of your words.

They may be vague and you may feel they are devoid of substance - but you are trying to touch the non-communicable experience you mention and wrestle it into some sort of order that might make sense to others and inspire them to listen to the music you are reviewing.

Reviewing is always subjective - the only choice I made for the short time I did reviews was never print anything about an album I either did not like, or, more likely, just did not get - if I can't say something good I say nothing at all - there will still be enough people out there who like what I don't.

Perhaps you could write the 'long review' and then take the sword to it, distill it, refine it, work magic with it until you feel it has a form you are happy to unleash into the world.

Most music evolves from or reflects that of other artists and referencing them in reviews (lightly) is always good - they often give the reader a scent or flavour to the words you describe as vague - Oophoi meditative is likely to be different to SOTL meditative and those who have listened to both will get it. Those who haven't might think "I'll give them a listen" so you achieve more than one outcome.

And like music - you let them out and let them go so that people can absorb them in their own way.




Thank you for the compliments re TMC - I am always interested in how the music touches people, what happens when they listen - it's part of what I do - Creating spaces/dreams/portals that take the listener somewhere else......

So if you want to write a review for TMC I would be most interested and if that review comes out of a larger missive you could PM that to me if you want.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 25, 2011, 11:22:44 AM
I'm afraid this reads more like over-the-top self promotion than a review!

Hello,

We can assure you it's not self-promotion. We didn't write it, didn't ask it to be written, were pleased someone was willing to take precious time to write it.

This is about a release from 2008... not coming up, not "out now", from 2008... three years behind us.

We never wrote a press release, no onesheet, never sent promos, nothing. Just had it put on the Web site. That's all.

Re: promos - if you want to count this, you can. We did hand-make 20 copies, NFS, in really expensive Chinese silk boxes and such... to send to friends and fans. Forrest - you were sent one of those 20 copies. Did you not like it?  :-\

We would write more, but these forums are just... not productive. We're finishing artwork for our upcoming release, and would not spend time promoting one from 2008.

We have work to do and plans for more, and no time to spend this silliness, esp. not a release from years ago.

So instead of trying to convince you, we'll just say the above, and you all can keep thinking whatever you want. It's not like anything we say will change a closed-mind. But for the record: didn't write the review, are flattened/flattered by it, and maybe it'd be better to just take it as a review, and focus your energies elsewhere? On that note... back to artwork - for an upcoming release.

Which won't be announced here, unless Mike@Hypnos does so, since he'll be making and selling CD copies. Peace and best fishes, A

P.S. Ask Mike at Hypnos if J. Pe is one of us. Simple, really.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: mgriffin on October 25, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
I was out of touch for a while and it appears I missed a lot here.

First, I can confirm Joe LP is not a member of Austere, and is a customer who buys CDs from our store.

I'll have to give some thought to where I come down on the matter of what constitutes a "review" and what doesn't. Certainly a rave review is still a review, as long as the person writing it approaches the task with an honest critical appraisal.

I don't think Joe LP or Austere should be too offended that people questioned whether this might be self-promotion masquerading as review -- bear in mind, as Forrest said, that we've seen that happen here before. I'll have to read through this a bit more carefully later and make sure nobody's been unjustly treated in this exchange, but I'd ask everyone to cool it a little and realize we're all here because we enjoy the music.

I'll also give some more consideration to this, but I think I may insist that real names or at least a link to public contact info such as a blog may be required to post in this "Independent Reviews" section. I think it would help clear up who's who. It doesn't appear to me that Joe LP did anything other than try to spread the word about some music he'd recently enjoyed, and if some forum regulars appear to have been skeptical, I'd ask everyone to bear in mind that it's hardly unprecedented for someone to show up here under a "sock puppet" account to post hype-filled reviews of their own work.

We'll sort this out soon. In the mean time, let's all get along. ;)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 25, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
We will respond to this:

The mp3 player sucks--although it works, there's constant hissing in the audio.

Yes, it sucks. But we couldn't afford $40 players for a $40 box set. The 20 NFS custom, unique ones do have $30 players. But if you order this, the player is horrid. So why? You plug the SanDisk card into it, you plug it into any computer with the USB cable provided, then use the player to copy the musick off the card. Then give the MP3 player to a kid or keep it as a free SanDisk card reader.

The 3" disk with drivers did not work for my drive; I had to dig out an old cd-r card reader from my closet to transfer the tracks to my laptop... and this took me quite a while!

Sorry about that. The 3" drivers came with the MP3 player... and are worse than the player, which is awful. Please see above about how the player is really just meant to be used as a SanDisk card reader. We'll try to get that on the Web site, since no sense in wasting time! We tested the player - as a USB SD reader - on Windows 2K/XP/Vista and Mac OS X, and it was/is plug & play for us.

Some of the tracks sound "raw" and unedited, like they were recorded out of a small garage with a bus parked nearby.

Absolutely. We didn't want to "produce" or "master" these. They're orphans, and we felt they should be left alone. YMMV.

The box definitely looks homemade and put together with scissors and glue from someone's bedroom.

Also intentional... and yes, most were assembled whilst laying in bed watching TV. Couldn't agree more. The 20 unique ones - those we spent a lot of time on. These we wanted to look "hand-made". Why? Just to be different.

The band suffers from an overactive spaced-out, possibly drugged-out, imagination. Their fans likely suffer from the same, and therefore their reviews should not be taken seriously.

Over-active? Check. Spaced-out? Check. Drugged out?  Not so much any more, but check! And should we be taken seriously? No. Please, no.

What else... there was the "free pubic hair" that wasn't mentioned... the photos aren't printed on a "photo" printer, and could be better... the "manifesto" - pompous... but worth reading if only to see that "self-promotion" is not part of it....

Oh, and beautiful, wonderful photography on the front/back by Henk Zwerring, not by us. His work is brilliant, and sharing it with us was very kind of him. Most likely the best part of the box, frankly.

Lastly, we suck. Stink. Blow chunks. Horrid. Total morons. Really, we won't debate that...

We love feedback, positive or negative, of any sort. We're impossible to offend. Tell us we suck? We'll tell you how much more we suck than you thought. So thank you everyone! Cheerio! A
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 25, 2011, 11:45:29 AM
Yes, we're shutting up... promise!  :o

(2) Try to avoid using the term, "musick," lest we think we think you are one of the Austere duo.

Or Coil, who we nicked it from, with Peter's permission (R.I.P.) who took it from A. Crowley, who wrote it that way to have a very specific meaning.

We just use it because we like that meaning. And referencing Coil.  ;D
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: APK on October 25, 2011, 12:08:18 PM
Mike said:
"... I may insist that real names or at least a link to public contact info such as a blog
may be required to post in this "Independent Reviews" section."

I'm fully in support of this.
And I think real names are necessary to give these things credibility.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: ffcal on October 25, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Mike said:
"... I may insist that real names or at least a link to public contact info such as a blog
may be required to post in this "Independent Reviews" section."

I'm fully in support of this.
And I think real names are necessary to give these things credibility.

I'm in agreement with this, too.

Austere, I hadn't realized you had sent a copy, but no, I never received it.

Forrest
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 25, 2011, 01:52:38 PM
And I think real names are necessary to give these things credibility.

We like anonymous. If that means we can't post here... hey, haven't for a long time anyway.

Why anonymous? Because we're anti-ego. Because it's a great way to get honest feedback from friends rather than "It's great" because, you know, they're friends. And lots of other good reasons. But that's just us.  If it means we can't post here, cool.

Oh, and copied the other half the thread, since he won't even read the forums, and he Skyped:

"One other cock-up: the 120mm "CD" in the box set isn't a CD at all. That's why it's clear. Tell 'um what it is."

It's a clear, plastic "regular" CD that's actually a unique, etched 78RPM record. Yup, we built a Japanese model of an Edison recorder, and played stuff, and when we liked it, we put on a plastic disc and etched a 78RPM "record" during it, with a "horn" that captures the sound. No mics, no electronics... well, a motor spins the disc so you can etch it. But that's all.

Can you play it?  Probably not. Although they sound pretty cool at 45 and 33RPM and will not hurt your needle nor turntable, we promise! Should you put in your computer? Nope. Won't hurt it either, though. What would you hear? Super lo-fi drones and swirls and stuff. That's yours to keep and hear... it's one of a kind, just like you.

We wanted to create unique recordings for unique people. And hey, 78RPM gets a bad rap. So anyway, if you have / bought / get the boxed set, that clear disc? Won't hurt your computer, but it's not a CD, it's a 78RPM record, and every one is unique. Just like you. Really.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: mgriffin on October 25, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
Nobody has said anything about no more anonymous posting. The idea is that that the "Independent Reviews" section might need to have some kind of identities attached to the reviews, otherwise people won't be able to tell if they're independent or not. There are plenty of other places here to talk anonymously about all kinds of subjects, including music.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: petekelly on October 25, 2011, 02:23:08 PM
'Real names', sock-puppetry - the plot thickens !
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: El culto on October 25, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Nobody has said anything about no more anonymous posting.

Even i am not a native speaker i understood this too.

Actually i find this guys a bit too much thin-skinned in regard to their expressed "we donīt care" coolness.

Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 25, 2011, 02:54:32 PM
Actually i find this guys a bit too much thin-skinned in regard to their expressed "we donīt care" coolness.

Hee, hee. :D Of course we care! Posting = we care.

We're just trying to get facts straight, that's all. Nothing more. We weren't/aren't/won't "defend" ourselves. Just trying to get info straight. Like J. Pe is not one of us, etc.

Trust us. We are not cool. We know cool, and we're not.  8)

OK, bye bye for a couple more years. It's been fun!  :o :o
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Bill Binkelman on October 25, 2011, 03:44:01 PM
Wow....what a lot of fuss about such a little thing. I will admit, A., that these posts of yours sound somewhat atypical from other ones of yours I have read over the years here and elsewheres (no need to be THAT self-deprecating - that's my shtick!)...and it has been years that I have known you. That's fine...everyone changes over time (look at me).

As far as the brouhaha over reviews, while the initial review was a little hyperbolic, I never thought it was a plant. Just a very zealous fan. If you have followed Austere over the years, they you know that they have never been preoccupied with self-promotion and have always been modest to a fault in the face of praise. So thinking they either authored this review or endorsed it is a little nonsensical. Nothing personal to those who criticized it...just that it would be the same as accusing Steve Roach of making overly commercial music or accusing Mike G of being mercenary in how he runs Hypnos. Those are two examples, like Austere, of people who simply are not wired that way, at least from what I can tell from my vantage point (which can be wrong, of course)

Just sharing my view...it's all good, really. Hey, A. Don't be strangers, man. 2 years is "2" long. :-)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Scott M2 on October 25, 2011, 06:09:01 PM
Hey Joe - Thanks for contributing to the forum. I look forward to any further thoughts you put forth,
though they probably won't provoke as much fun as this one. Cheers!

Hey Austere guys - I'll bet Mike would make an exception in the anonymous dept for you.
You were fun to have around here - and speaking of fun... your 78 sounds awesomely wacky! Cheers to you!
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on October 25, 2011, 06:46:26 PM
This is why I keep leaving the forum...and coming back! ;D

But seriously, my hats off to Joe LP and Austere for handling all these attacks with supreme coolness.  Plus your comments made me laugh harder than I can remember at something posted here.  Laughing so hard I'm crying!  :'(
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: APK on October 25, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
"all these attacks" ??

 ::)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: mgriffin on October 25, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
Threads like this one wear me out.

I do regret that a new forum member who was only trying to contribute had to end up in the center of this muddle. Hope you stick around Joe LP!
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: ffcal on October 25, 2011, 07:20:15 PM
Threads like this one wear me out.

I agree.  I have nothing more to add, though I did receive a nice email from Austere and hope to hear some of their music soon.

Forrest
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: jkn on October 26, 2011, 09:39:01 AM
Hold on...

Wait.

What?

There was a pubic hair in that box?   Oh man it's probably on my floor!    (Yes, I have this box)  Thankfully, it's likely been vacuumed up by this point.


Honestly - I do not mind flowerly purple prose reviews...   if someone feels like writing about music and takes the time to do it - that's awesome.   Of course - having a balance of good and bad is nice... but i have to admit - I almost always only write about music I like.   

So - Joe ...  don't go!   Keep writing - and write the way you want to. 

John



Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on October 26, 2011, 10:24:12 AM
Well if not attacks, what would you call it? Snide remarks?  Joe LP wrote a glowing review and got accused of writing a press release for a 3-year-old release (GIVE ME A BREAK).  Austere chimed in and then was accused of "faking" his "I-don't-care" attitude (GIVE ME A BREAK!).  It seems like somebody's always got to make a smart remark, then later take no responsibility for starting or inflaming the situation to begin with.  Even in my last post somebody's got to pick something out and question it, like I am so out of line or off base or something.  If there's one thing I would change about this forum, it's the negative attitude.     
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: El culto on October 26, 2011, 12:20:29 PM
I thought i wouldnīt response anymore, but this have to be answered

Actually you could cool down a bit too  ;)

If there's one thing I would change about this forum, it's the negative attitude.   

In German we say, for this we have to start first by ourself


Austere chimed in and then was accused of "faking" his "I-don't-care" attitude (GIVE ME A BREAK!).

If you have read the WHOLE conversation (did you?) then its more then clear that Austere reacted  - after Mikeīs statement/idea for clear names - like they are in a huff ("If that means we can't post here"). Nobody has said this or whatever before, so should i say here also "GIVE ME A BREAK"? I for myself expect a little more maturity, especially for someone with this kind of showen and declared "we want to be different" profile. And finally, they responsed to it in my direction and all was fine. I donīt think this topic needs further "warm ups" and also Austere is perfectly be able to response to other comments by themself if they feel there is something unfair said.

If you really see this comments as an "attack", then we donīt need anymore discussions and/or different opinions at all!
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: APK on October 26, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
On my end, I didn't have any trouble with Joe LP's perfectly sensible reply or with Austere's general response.

I simply thought, after reading the 'review', that it read more like a promotional announcement than a music review and said so. It still does read that way to me. I'm sorry this seemed to cause a little verbal avalanche here that divided the camp. But you know, this is a public forum and what is posted is open to alternate views as long as they have credibility and are not simply vindictive. I'm also a moderator here, and partly responsible for posts getting into the right sections and threads. Joe LPs post put in a different section, like Other Ambient in an "Austere" thread, would not have brought a response from me. It was nothing personal.

Maybe we can just move on now.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: jkn on October 26, 2011, 01:03:27 PM
Word.

John

p.s.     This is both a "backing" of Mr. APK's last comment... as well as my attempt to get the last "word" in.  ;D
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 26, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
Hey Joe

"... Heard you shot your woman down. Hey Joe...."

Sorry. Hendrix is still god.

Thanks for contributing to the forum. I look forward to any further thoughts you put forth,
though they probably won't provoke as much fun as this one. Cheers!

Wethinks, like us, he's been scared away. Which... is bad. It's like a bitchy clique that makes any new person have to be hazed.

Hey Austere guys - I'll bet Mike would make an exception in the anonymous dept for you.

Oh, no, no exceptions. If there needs to be names, then we won't post in this forum.  Exceptions tend to be hard; black/white, which rarely reflects the real world, is still the easiest. So if no anon posts in this forum, we won't post. We choose to be anonymous; we accept any consequences of that, and rules are rules are rules, and only play fair.

You were fun to have around here - and speaking of fun... your 78 sounds awesomely wacky! Cheers to you!

To be honest, it was fun to build a record etcher, and find a use for all these clear plastic 120mm "CDs" we'd be trying to figure a use for. We should mention we did run out, so some are on "coastered" CD-Rs. But it was a hoot to build, and the results as well. The actual recording? Ooof. Still, worth it. Every one unique. Any one who has one, has their very own. We think everyone is unique, and the idea of giving them a unique piece of musick was impossible not to do. Oh, and yes, whacky!! But that's pretty much our modus-operandi.

Cheers to you! Good to see you still posting, out and about, etc. And thank you for your polite, thoughtful response! Yrs, A
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 26, 2011, 08:49:40 PM
hats off to Joe LP and Austere for handling all these attacks with supreme coolness.  Plus your comments made me laugh harder than I can remember at something posted here.  Laughing so hard I'm crying!  :'(

Then our mission successful, and our work here done!  Truly, laughter is the only reasonable response. Cheesios, A
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on October 26, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
If you have read the WHOLE conversation (did you?) then its more then clear that Austere reacted  - after Mikeīs statement/idea for clear names - like they are in a huff ("If that means we can't post here").

Perhaps your English is lacking, or are one to take things too literally?  We'll chaulk it up to a misinterpertation of English in context, and perhaps a personal or cultural bias of some sort. Whatever the source, it's OK with us. If you believe we're in a "huff", do so continue. This is a simple statement.

If anonymous postings are not allowed in this (or other forums as well) then we can't post here. And that's OK. We don't want to be an exception if such a rule arises. We won't "not" be anonymous, and if anonymity is a problem, then we accept that our choice limits what we can do. Simple.

The only "huff" that one can read into that comes from the reader, not the writers. If such a policy was decided on, we would respect it, and support it, and certainly not ask for an exception.

We sense a strong amount of... projection? on our writings?  Wethinks they're not just funny, but also unintentionally holding up mirrors for people to see themselves in.

Your replies may be a "huff" (why do you even care, yeah?) but ours aren't. So sorry to disappoint. :o :o
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on November 17, 2011, 11:18:21 AM
Received an email from Austere offering to send me this album.  Never got a reply or the album.  ???
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on November 23, 2011, 12:50:30 AM
Received an email from Austere offering to send me this album.  Never got a reply or the album.  ???
The offer still stands, mate! We never got an IM from you, and our email address is broken (friend = webmaster = bastard)

So, so sorry about that - pls send an IM with your address, and we'll send you a loadda shite. Don't say we didn't warn you. :o  :o  ;D

Just to resurrect this... thing... we've broken out our broken Emily Berliner Record Etcher. Once we fix it, we will be producing one baker's dozen (13) only unique recordings. If you want a 78 RPM etched 120mm original, unique piece of work, IM us, and tell us why you're unique (hint: there is no wrong answer) :D

Now if we can just get this beastie workin'... if any youse liked the 120mm mini-LP, unique, etched, etc. just be the first baker's dozen and IM us here, so wethinks you can use the Web server address, austere@sound-o-mat.com. Both over either preferred.

Yours very truly, A

P.S. Truly, appy polly loggies to Mr. D. On, and to Forrest the Second, who's getting that loadda come morning.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on November 23, 2011, 12:52:52 AM
And cheers to SunDumbass, who will be posting a review here. Cheers, mate! Appreciated!
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on November 23, 2011, 05:56:45 PM
Honest... no matter where you live... send an IM saying why you think you're unique (and you are, so you can't be wrong) and we'll send you a free 120mm etched 78 RPM record that is unique, just like you, FREE! Edition of 13.

If only, it's a gimcrack, but you can play it safely on any record player at 45/33 RPM.

Oh, and stealing from Steve (Sonic Youth) Shelley and Jad Fair's project "Mosquito" 7" - WARNING: PESKY LOCKED GROOVES.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: drone on on November 24, 2011, 11:12:59 AM
Now I'm scared
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: jkn on November 28, 2011, 07:39:59 AM
"Now I'm scared"   LOL!   No kidding!

Me thinks one of the Austere's were up a tad too late.  ;-)

John

p.s.  We're still a 'go' for releasing the new full length Austere - Euterpe album in January on Relaxed Machinery (CDR here in the Hypnos store as always - and gratefully to Mike / Lena).   Still sorting some remaining nitpick issues on art and such, but looking like a solid January release.

Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: SunDummy on December 01, 2011, 12:48:58 PM
BTW, I'm enjoying "Euterpe" as I type this...  nice and minimal, very clear and up-front, with the usual Austere surrealness thrown in...  gonna give this a few spins today to let it soak in.
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: jkn on December 01, 2011, 02:00:24 PM
You must've gotten an advance copy direct from the Austerinos.   I've been listening to it for about a year now - it has some lovely moments in it  - wonderful repetition and surprises.

Really - getting the art sorted seems to be our only sticking point.  We'll get it sorted before release date mid-January!

 
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: El culto on December 01, 2011, 05:40:27 PM

p.s.  We're still a 'go' for releasing the new full length Austere - Euterpe album in January on Relaxed Machinery (CDR here in the Hypnos store as always - and gratefully to Mike / Lena).   Still sorting some remaining nitpick issues on art and such, but looking like a solid January release.

Ahhhhhh.....this makes now sense...still anybody saying all this was a random issue?  ;D
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: jkn on December 02, 2011, 07:41:18 AM
It's never been secret Austere was releasing on rM... 
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: Austere on December 12, 2011, 09:54:25 AM
Ahhhhhh.....this makes now sense...still anybody saying all this was a random issue?  ;D
Yup. Poor Joseph made the mistake of posting a review. But it's all a big conspiracy. Sheesh.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: REVIEW: THE SOUND OF SILENCE I BOX SET by Austere
Post by: ffcal on December 12, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
I received Austere's 2008 box this past week (thanks Austere), and have been slowly making my way through it.  The package was somewhat disorienting, though in a friendly, DIY-sort of way that reminds of some of the stranger packages from the ambient-industrial scene of the 80s (my favorite from that time was an undergroup French cassette comp packaged liked a slab of meat in a styrofoam tray).  I'm thankful not to have found the pubic hair that was mentioned on the checklist for the package.  After a temporary brain freeze, I realized that tiny mp3 player in the package was in fact a flash drive.  In my version there were about 4 CDs worth of ambient pieces (in mp3 format at 320 kbps), another 6 hours of guitar demos (which were somewhat marginal), and a few sonic curios.  I preferred the more formal ambient pieces, especially the longform piece "The Cuce," the piece "Tea-Totalled" from the Drone Download Project and a unreleased piece "Phadin."  These pieces are certainly worthy of a broader circulation than 50, though maybe in a more condensed version.

Forrest