[ Hypnos Forum ]

OTHER THINGS IN THE WORLD THAN MUSIC => Computers, Internet and Technology => Topic started by: mgriffin on November 03, 2011, 10:58:56 AM

Title: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 03, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
I know I'm not the only one anxious to see this game, right?

There's a nice preview here: http://www.oxm.co.uk/34965/previewselder-scrolls-5-hands-on-how-to-be-a-complete-bastard-in-skyrim (http://www.oxm.co.uk/34965/previewselder-scrolls-5-hands-on-how-to-be-a-complete-bastard-in-skyrim)

Plenty of spoilers can be found online, but this video preview is pretty good:

"The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" E3 Gameplay Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic6dKnv3WdU#ws)

Want!
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: einstein36 on November 03, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
Holy mother....
I am definitely going to lose time, lots of it:).....
I want want want hehehehe
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 04, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
Oh trust me, you're not alone!
I haven't watched the various gameplay preview videos because I don't want to spoil myself, but damn... it's hard not to hit those play buttons.
One more week to wait.   ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on November 04, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
Does look like fun. Love the details.

Question: I'm not up on games and hardware. What do you think is the best device to play this on?
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 04, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
PC, of course.  Play at way higher resolution with higher quality textures.  And mod support!
Here are the suggested specs: http://kotaku.com/5853156/your-pc-must-be-this-powerful-to-run-skyrim (http://kotaku.com/5853156/your-pc-must-be-this-powerful-to-run-skyrim)

Otherwise Xbox.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on November 04, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
That looks good. Thanks, Mike.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 05, 2011, 09:12:14 AM
A new article with some additional details about the game. Not a walkthrough or visual demo, just some facts about gameplay, leveling and so on.

http://macgenius.co/games/new-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-details/ (http://macgenius.co/games/new-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-details/)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 05, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Oh, and as for platform, I've given up trying to stay caught-up in the PC specifications race. I no longer keep a current model PC in the house just for gaming, and just do my gaming on consoles where there's no worry whether or not you have the right video card and drivers, the right DirectX version, the right amount of ram, or enough processor cores. My PS3 died so I'll probably just buy the Xbox 360 version.

Then probably years in the future (by which time I'll have probably given in and purchased another hot rod PC) I'll get the PC version so I can mess around with mods, just as I did with Morrowind and Oblivion.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on November 06, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
So do they scale the newer games back (resolution etc) to work on existing xbox 360 machines? or are those dedicated boxes equivalent or very close to a PC version on a fast pc?  Just wondering if I should consider an xbox or go with my fastest pc.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on November 06, 2011, 10:34:09 AM
So do they scale the newer games back (resolution etc) to work on existing xbox 360 machines? or are those dedicated boxes equivalent or very close to a PC version on a fast pc?  Just wondering if I should consider an xbox or go with my fastest pc.

The game was developed concurrently for PC and Xbox/PS3. The console versions will look fairly good at a locked resolution. The PC version performance will depend on your system's specs (mostly your video card). The biggest difference will be how textures look(rocks, buildings, armor detail, etc.). Those are more optimized for the console versions. The advantage on the PC side is that eventually, either Bethesda or the community will release higher- rez texture packs and the game will look even better. The Elder Scrolls mod community will come through again here and make the game even better with new weapons, skins, armor, textures, lighting and more.

 For the patient gamer, if you wait for the Game of the Year edition, you'll get all the post-release DLC and a huge amount of content generated by the fan base, making it a no-brainer for literally years of gaming content.

That said, I broke down and pre-ordered the PC version this morning. ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 06, 2011, 12:13:07 PM
... the community will release higher- rez texture packs and the game will look even better.
This is guaranteed.

Ugh, I can't wait!  It's all I'm thinking about.  I'm such a geek!   ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on November 06, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
Thanks for the info, Antdude.
I'll probably go with pc then, but sink some money into a better graphics card first.

Can't say its all I'm thinking about (last time that happened was, I think, Myst 3),
but will be fun to get back into some gaming and stop doing music for a while.
I have a daughter who will be into it too.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: jkn on November 07, 2011, 07:44:57 AM
I'm so looking forward to this game, but that's not shocking if you've seen me post about the elder scrolls games before.

I put literally hundreds of hours into Daggerfall and Morrowind.   A ton of time into Oblivion.    Can't wait for Skyrim.   

Having the time to play these is the hardest part - but to lose yourself in these worlds - what a wonderful thing.

Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: petekelly on November 07, 2011, 08:41:45 AM
Not being a games person, I wonder what their primary appeal is ?

From what I've seen, they can sure eat up a big chunk of time.
I played arcade games as a kid, but now I think I'II just stick to 'Chess Titans' - 3 games a day - to keep the old noggin ticking over :)

Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 07, 2011, 09:26:49 AM
They do eat up a large amount of time, Pete, especially the types of games we're talking about above. I have to ration the amount of time I let myself give these.

As for "what's the appeal?" of playing a game, I'd consider that to be self-evident. They're games. People play them for amusement and for escape.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 08, 2011, 08:36:19 PM
Personally I have a big interest in the medieval period.  Weaponry, armour, castles, untamed wilderness... And most RPGs are based on these periods with added fantasy elements, which I love as well.  Monsters and such.

The exploration aspect of these games are a huge appeal to me as well, and the elder scrolls series of games are all about roaming off the beaten path and exploring hidden ruins, caves, forests.

Like Mike said: escapism and fun.

These games aren't for everyone though.  There are a lot of people who hate the fact that the game says: "Ok, here's a world to explore. Have fun!"  Some people need a bit of direction, and don't enjoy the aimless wandering.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on November 08, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
Personally I have a big interest in the medieval period.  Weaponry, armour, castles, untamed wilderness... And most RPGs are based on these periods with added fantasy elements, which I love as well.  Monsters and such.

The exploration aspect of these games are a huge appeal to me as well, and the elder scrolls series of games are all about roaming off the beaten path and exploring hidden ruins, caves, forests.

Like Mike said: escapism and fun.

These games aren't for everyone though.  There are a lot of people who hate the fact that the game says: "Ok, here's a world to explore. Have fun!"  Some people need a bit of direction, and don't enjoy the aimless wandering.

Which is a shame, as that's probably my favorite aspect of these games - exploring a new world created from scratch and seeing what secrets it holds this time around.


Here's another look:
The World of Skyrim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn0N294NFy0#ws)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 09, 2011, 05:20:09 AM
I think it should be mentioned to those who've never played one of these games: there are really no boundaries (aside from physical things in your way).  If you look at the preview still in the YouTube clip Artdude posted: see those mountains in the background?  You can walk all the way over there, and climb them if you find a foothold.

In any other game, that would just be the background and there'd be no way to get there.
THAT is what makes these games so damn awesome!   ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: jkn on November 09, 2011, 12:46:25 PM
That's why I love this series of games... the open aspect.  Go anywhere, explore, wander, join a guild, do quests and slowly rise up the ranks, it's relaxing.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 11, 2011, 02:39:16 PM
Everybody who was posting about Skyrim pre-release are now too busy playing to post about it!
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: LNerell on November 11, 2011, 05:04:40 PM
Do you think someone who has not played the previous version could jump right in at this release or should they get the installments before it?
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 11, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
You could definitely start right in with Skyrim. The story isn't continuous from the prior installments (at least a hundred years has passed in "story time" since Oblivion), and only a little bit of reference is made in Skyrim to events from the earlier games.

Another thing is that all the Elder Scrolls games take place in different geographic areas from past games, so you're not visiting the same locations at all.

The only thing you really gain by having played Morrowind or Oblivion is an understanding of the basic concepts (which change a little each time anyway) of different character types or classes (say, a warrior type character versus a magic using character), different races (they look distinct and have slightly different attributes), and what all the different skills (say, lockpicking and alchemy) are, and the different attributes (strength, wisdom and so on).

If you've played other similar games (Diablo, World of Warcraft, Neverwinter Nights), or even played D&D, you'll understand the basic idea anyway.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on November 12, 2011, 04:20:46 AM
You could definitely start right in with Skyrim. The story isn't continuous from the prior installments (at least a hundred years has passed in "story time" since Oblivion), and only a little bit of reference is made in Skyrim to events from the earlier games.

Another thing is that all the Elder Scrolls games take place in different geographic areas from past games, so you're not visiting the same locations at all.

Another thing to ease first-timers into the game is that in your travels, you will come across literally dozens of 'books' which attempt to tell a bit of the history of Tamriel(of which Skyrim is just one province), which goes a long way toward explaining what kind of world the Elder Scrolls games take place in. They give you enough to paint the broad strokes so you understand that Skyrim doesn't exist in a vacuum, yet you don't feel like you're missing out on anything by not having played the previous games.

So far, I'm loving it. I already jumped off the beaten path and wandered around, found a few caverns and bandit lairs and just now, decided to see what the main plot was all about. The game needs a few tweaks at first to play smoothly, but, as usual, the Elder Scrolls community has already come through with lots of fixes to help make the game that much better. There are already a few mods out there to plug into the game.

Diving back in...
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: jkn on November 14, 2011, 09:02:44 AM
Ha... when I played Morrowind ...  I accidentally missed a turn and just kept going and going and going instead of turning around - and ended up on the total other side of the island.   Didn't get back to the main story for a very long time...  because with these games - you just don't have to.

Ah just checked the map for those of you that have played...  I walked all the way to Vos in the upper right at the very beginning of the game.

(http://images.uesp.net/thumb/9/99/FullMap_TravelRoutes.png/400px-FullMap_TravelRoutes.png)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 14, 2011, 09:31:09 AM
This weekend I played a bit more Skyrim than I'd planned to, but much less than I would've liked!

The game looks and plays quite a bit different from Oblivion in many respects. Character creation, class selection, skill building, leveling, the process of alchemy -- all significantly changed.

In just a few hours I attained 6th level without really concentrating on leveling. Escaped from captivity, killed my first dragon, learned to shout, made several potions, ate lots of mushrooms and flowers.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: LNerell on November 14, 2011, 10:56:49 AM
learned to shout, made several potions, ate lots of mushrooms and flowers.

Except for the shouting that sounds like a typical weekend for me back in my 20s.  ;D :P ;)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: hdibrell on November 14, 2011, 02:10:23 PM
learned to shout, made several potions, ate lots of mushrooms and flowers.

Except for the shouting that sounds like a typical weekend for me back in my 20s.  ;D :P ;)
;D ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 15, 2011, 10:06:38 AM
Here's an article with a good introduction to the game and how Skyrim looks and plays.

http://www.wizardworld.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-the-greatest-video-game-role-playing-game-ever-made.html (http://www.wizardworld.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-the-greatest-video-game-role-playing-game-ever-made.html)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 15, 2011, 08:09:25 PM
So far, I've logged around 22 hours, and I'm level 17.  Having a blast!    ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 16, 2011, 10:31:24 AM
They've definitely scaled the leveling differently. I think a lot of people wanted to have the chance to continue leveling up past 40th or so in Oblivion, at which point it became very difficult to increase skills enough to go up another level. At some point in Oblivion it became pretty difficult to find any new challenges. It's too bad they never released an expansion geared toward highest-level characters, with challenges and rewards appropriate to powerful characters who already possess tons of gold and the most powerful artifacts, items and spells.

I haven't gone far enough yet in Skyrim (just played briefly last night, so now 7th level) to say for sure, but while I'm enjoying the game very much, I don't think the answer to the leveling problem with Oblivion is simply to make each level easier to obtain so the character levels up faster, but maxes out at 100 instead of 40 or so. What's the point of simply making Oblivion level 3 equivalent to Skyrim level 6 or 7, and still having the character max out at a point when the player might still want to continue on and find new challenges?
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on November 16, 2011, 02:10:49 PM
The leveling in the game is definitely better. It feels more natural as you gain levels because while you're adventuring, you're also improving your skills(1-handed, Archery, Destruction, etc). Gaining a level seems like more of an accomplishment because you've actually done more than just killing stuff while on a quest. Not to mention what you've seen and found along the way. I have to think that this bodes very well for future content, especially once the mod community gets its hands on the editing tools.

Steam says I've played 50 hours so far.  :o

Last night, after clearing a dungeon for a minor quest, I looked up and saw this:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631856881951970147/AA22B954413D5C21CB655A844EB9316296726068/ (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631856881951970147/AA22B954413D5C21CB655A844EB9316296726068/)

There were more northern lights all around at the time, first time I had seen them. This game is amazing.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on November 16, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
Speaking of Steam and Oblivion, they have an incredibly cheap deal on Oblivion GOTY editions via Steam through tomorrow. The regular Game of the Year edition is $4.99 (basically Oblivion plus Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles expansions) and the "deluxe" GOTY edition is $6.49 and also includes all the additional minor expansions and downloadable content like armor for your horse and that kind of stuff.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/900883/ (http://store.steampowered.com/app/900883/)

I'm not planning to re-play Oblivion again any time soon but it's fairly tempting to buy the definitive "everything Oblivion all in one package" version for $6.49.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Bill Binkelman on November 16, 2011, 03:10:00 PM
This game certainly looks amazing....but I know all too well what happens with me and immersive computer games. I have not seriously gamed since....get ready for a long time ago... Bungie's Marathon and Marathon 2: Durandal way back in the 90s. I would start playing at 9-10 pm and go until dawn, easily. I realized that I simply couldn't ever afford to get that "into" a game ever again. It was way too easy to just keep playing and ignore everything else - eating, sleeping, etc. So, I've never owned a game console either. I just know myself too well. It would be the end of me! LOL...I have too many other things to do. But, this is the first game, I must admit, that makes me want to pick it up again (well, actually, Riven did that to me as well...but I really sucked at Riven so giving it up was easy). I watched a demo on youtube and I thought "Now THAT is pretty awesome." and then realized "okay, close the youtube clip and back away....slowly!" ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on November 16, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
Bill:   Jo-o-o-oin us-s-s-ss...   [evil laugh]
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on December 01, 2011, 11:08:49 AM
Another great thing about Skyrim: If you're not entertained by the main quest, there is an alternative - Cheese for everyone!

Skyrim : 2500 Cheese wheels rolling off a mountain. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrhDamN82k#ws)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on December 01, 2011, 11:36:06 AM
Just saw that cheese avalanche yesterday. Cheesy-larious!

So, Skyrim players, report in. How's it going? Are you enjoying it? Favorite quests or activities? How much progress? What's your level? Any interesting items?

I'm 14th level. It hasn't taken a lot of play time, nor a lot of focus on trying to level up. I've been splitting my time between the main quest, the College of Winterhold, and a bit of random exploration. Right now I'm going up to see the Graybeards to figure out the way of the voice.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on December 01, 2011, 02:28:59 PM
Mike, you will enjoy the Greybeards questline a lot, if only to see the majesty of High Hrothgar. Looking down from there on the rest of Skyrim is pretty incredible. I imagine an avalanche of cheese wheels falling down from there would be awesome as well. Shouts are lots of fun.

I've had a blast playing the game. The world is immense, and I'm enjoying just exploring it. I just started the Mage College questline and am trying to follow that through to the end. It's easy to fill up with, and get distracted by side quests, of which I have way too many. Even with all that, and being level 32, I think I've only seen about a third of the game, if that.

I also find myself just looking around at some of the incredible sights. The city of Solitude perched on its rocky precipice. Walking across a stone bridge in a huge cavern with a waterfall trickling from a vaulted ceiling above and a dizzying drop below, light playing around the walls from torches or glowing lichen. Dragons sitting on the arches above a tomb before they see you and fly up to do battle. The twin moons rising above the mountains on a starry night. My Steam page(Yes, I'm Antdude there, too) is full of screenshots of my adventures so far.

The sound design is also incredible. Hearing a dragon crash down and roar the first time is quite the experience. Jeremy Soule has created probably his best musical score yet. It's suitably epic in battle(the Viking chorus shouting when you've defeated a dragon) and melodic when you're just exploring.

Many quests will send you into tombs and caves and you'll find yourself up against lots of unpleasant or undead creatures. There is one called Shroud Hearth Barrow, near Iverstead, that I really enjoyed battling through. Lots of enemies, booby traps and atmosphere to keep you company, with a nice payoff at the end.

If I haven't already sold it with all that puffery, this is definitely the Game of the Year for me. And with the editing tools soon to be released, the Elder Scrolls community will provide lots of new content for an already massive game.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on December 01, 2011, 03:58:07 PM
The effect of leveling up so quickly is that I'm 14th level but still pretty weak in combat. I have to remember to save very frequently because I'm constantly stumbling across random encounters that kill me. In Oblivion I recall the random encounters (say, bandits on the roadside) being weaker than the beasts you ran into in dungeons, but this is the reverse. I keep stumbling across giants and frost wraiths and stuff that can kill me in one or two hits.

I agree about the sights and views. More than once I've had a "fear of heights" moment as I've approached the edge of a waterfall or a high cliff.

I'll be tempted to buy the PC version of Skyrim so I can load user-created adventures, for sure.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on December 01, 2011, 06:52:18 PM
I now have the game, pc version, but have not installed it yet. Would have to go on my music computer, but I have never connected it to the web, and would love to avoid doing that. Anyone know if the Steam activation can be done without a web connection ?

I also need to upgrade the graphics card before running it. Not a problem.

Heck, I may just go for a new machine, my web computer is pretty old now anyway. Could use replacing.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on December 02, 2011, 11:41:15 AM
I now have the game, pc version, but have not installed it yet. Would have to go on my music computer, but I have never connected it to the web, and would love to avoid doing that. Anyone know if the Steam activation can be done without a web connection ?

I also need to upgrade the graphics card before running it. Not a problem.

Heck, I may just go for a new machine, my web computer is pretty old now anyway. Could use replacing.

Anthony - You will need to connect to Steam for authentication purposes when you first install the game(all Steam games work like this). Once you've installed and validated the game, you can then go into Offline Mode, which essentially restarts Steam in a non-active mode, but you'll be able to run your game. All patches and updates for Steam games will require you to relog into Steam to get them, but you always have the choice to go to Offline mode afterward if you're concerned about an always-on network connection.

As far as the new machine goes, you should get at least 4 GB of RAM and make sure your video card has at least 1 GB of VRAM so you can run Skyrim in all its visual glory. A fast processor goes without saying. All of which you can get for less than a grand if you shop around.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on December 02, 2011, 01:32:17 PM
Thanks a lot for the info, Antdude.

Think I will pick up a quad core with decent graphics card in the near future.
But might add a good graphics card and connect my music machine to the web before
that for registration. Good to hear I don't need to leave it connected.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on December 10, 2011, 08:29:37 PM
Anybody else care to offer a gameplay update?

Lena and I went on a big hike on Mt. Hood, after which I was so tired I enjoyed a nice, long Skyrim session. I'm 30th level now.

I've shifted my money-making and  skill-leveling efforts from alchemy to smithing, and my smithing skill is now 100th level so I can make dragon and daedric and the other top variations of armor and weapons. Next I'll level up my enchanting skill, and try to make some extremely high-end self-made gear with added enchantments.

I think I've set aside the main quest for too long and need to get back to it. In fact I haven't been questing as much as I've been traveling around, buying alchemy ingredients and iron ingots and other raw materials for my alchemy and smithing "practice." Now that my smithing is maxed-out I won't bother making a million iron daggers any more.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on December 11, 2011, 12:07:30 AM
Level 39 now. I've completed the Mage's College quest line, which takes you to some interesting places and adds some interesting twists to the story, in addition to a grandly cinematic finish.

I've been trying to clear out some of the Misc. quests, as that is just getting ridiculously full. My problem is, I want to stop and see everything along the way, and there is so much to see here. Or I just have a short attention spa…..ooh, shiney.

Anyway, I should probably stop putting it off and focus on the main quest again, as well. I've also been working on my Smithing skills, as that is a very useful trade in the game. I use it to outfit my companion, as well, so she's a little better protected, although it doesn't seem to keep her from constantly setting off traps in dungeons. Now if only I could make Horse Armor for my suicidal mounts.

While rummaging around the Northern Coast, listening to the wind whipping around the icebergs, I turned to watch the sunset:

(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/397/2011120300001s.jpg)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on December 11, 2011, 09:07:26 AM
I'm level 34 now (around 65 hours played), and it seems like the rest of you, I've barely scratched the surface on the main quests.  It's just too easy to start traveling in one direction and get lost in the world.

So much fun!  ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on December 19, 2011, 11:24:28 AM
I picked up an ASUS i7 gaming laptop, 17.3", which runs it comfortably on High.
Amazing graphics! Really is a remarkable world !
I've only just started playing ... my teenage daughter is already many levels above me  ;D
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on December 20, 2011, 03:10:23 AM
I picked up an ASUS i7 gaming laptop, 17.3", which runs it comfortably on High.
Amazing graphics! Really is a remarkable world !
I've only just started playing ... my teenage daughter is already many levels above me  ;D

There's no hurry. You can enjoy it at your own pace. This is one game that really does make you want to stop and smell the Red Mountain Flowers.   ;)

Level 47 now. The things I've seen. And more I still haven't yet. Last night I saw a ghostly 'Headless Horseman' running in the night after his spectral mount. They led me on a merry chase through a huge chunk of Skyrim, then disappeared in a graveyard. I have no idea what that is about, yet.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on December 20, 2011, 05:20:44 AM
I had a similar thing happen where I saw a ghost amid some trees at night.  I chased for a minute or so, and it led me to an old grave where there were some bandits (looting it).  I killed them, and then looted it myself.  Silly ghost, thinking I was honourable or something.   ;)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on December 20, 2011, 09:17:08 AM
There's no hurry. You can enjoy it at your own pace. This is one game that really does make you want to stop and smell the Red Mountain Flowers.   ;)


This is really true, and people who haven't played or seen the game may think this is just a joke -- well, the part about "smelling" the flowers is a joke, of course -- but one of the joys of this game is just exploring the landscape, finding the different kinds of plants that grow in different parts of the realm, and looking out over some of the incredible mountain viewpoints.

The same was true in Oblivion, but Skyrim is even more beautiful. Sometimes I take a break from "playing" and just explore, not seeking adventure but just... looking around.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: darkenedsoul on December 27, 2011, 08:20:34 AM
I heard there was a fair amount of issues with the game still that you have to find/use some mods to make it more playable? This may be due to the persons computer but that's what I heard. I been holding off buying it cuzz I never finished the prior one and already play enough on Perfect World International online (and need to fini one vanquish quest in GW to get 2 more titles then try and grind the cartographer quests out (95+ % on all 3 maps...)).

I just rebuilt my box w/i5 2500K CPU, 16Gb corsair vengeance, still same HDD's, new Corsair HX650 PSU and stock cooler (kept zalman off to side for time being as I don't plan on oc'ing and it runs low 30c at idle). Video still XFX GTS-250 1GB PCI-e card I bought last year or year before. No plans on blowing $400+ on new graphics card for awhile.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on December 28, 2011, 05:21:16 AM
The biggest problem was that the shipped game was limited to using 2 gigs of ram, which would cause it to crash later on (especially if you were using high resolution texture mods).  They've since fixed that in the latest patch so the game is very stable now.

However in saying that, the longer you wait, the better the experience is going to be.  They've said they will be supporting the game for a while, fixing small bugs and whatnot.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Bill Binkelman on December 28, 2011, 07:54:56 PM
Do you need a super PC for this game? I only have a modest ASUS laptop that I purchased a few months ago. I suppose to really enjoy a game like this, you need a desktop unit with tons of RAM, a super deluxe sound card and video graphics card, etc etc etc, right?

Are any of the "hot" PC games any good at all on baseline PCs?

I suppose I should hope the answer is "no" so I don't go getting hooked on games again...I can't afford any kind of gamer PC, so if they don't run on my crummy laptop, at least my checkbook is safe.  ;)
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on December 28, 2011, 08:27:11 PM
Bill -- best to list what the laptop has: CPU / Graphics / Memory / Operating System.

Main problem with laptops is they usually have pretty low level graphic abilities.

Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on December 29, 2011, 07:34:28 PM
I agree -- if a laptop isn't specifically marketed as a gaming laptop, and it's not a very new model, it's probably not adequate for brand new graphics-intensive PC games.

Back when I always maintained an up-to-date gaming PC, I recall updating my video card constantly, and always trying to stick as much RAM in there as I could.

Skyrim looks great to me on Xbox 360, and no hardware compatibility problems!
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on December 30, 2011, 12:25:34 PM
My 15 year old just got this game for Christmas for his PS 3, I am only level 6, but I just stayed up with him 2 nights in a row until 1:30 playing. It started with hey Dad just make a character for fun...
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on December 30, 2011, 01:16:54 PM
Any progress reports from other players?

I'm at level 36. Handy ways of leveling skills include:

Smithing -- Buy all the iron ore and ingots you can find and make endless iron daggers. Buy several silver and gold ingots and make rings and necklaces for enchanting, below. Every time you kill an animal that leaves a skin, take the skin and rather than selling it, practice tanning it (at a smithing location with a tanning rack) into leather, then create leather strips from some of these.

Enchanting -- Buy lots of cheap soul gems, fill them using soul trap. "Disenchant" some of the magical items you find, in order to learn the enchantment they contain. This destroys the item, but lets you enchant new items (see rings and necklaces you created through smithing practice) with that same enchantment. Creating a new enchantment uses one item (apparel, jewelry or weapon) and one filled soul gem. I made lots and lots of "fortify two-handed" silver rings.

Alchemy -- Pick up every single flower, mushroom or other ingredient you find. Every time you visit a town, find the alchemist's shop and buy all the inexpensive ingredients they have. As you level up, the potions you create will be worth more, and it will be worthwhile to purchase the more expensive ingredients. But to start, don't bother buying ingredients that cost 350 just to make a potion to sell for 24. To discover alchemical properties of new ingredients, you can taste them, or find "recipes" that tell you which ingredients to combine to make potions that work. Gradually you will know the 2nd, 3rd and 4th powers of all the ingredients, and will be able to make potions out of everything you find. Then the potions will become your biggest source of income.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on December 31, 2011, 06:43:25 AM
Haven't been able to play because of the holidays, but now I'm home, I can finally get back to the adventure.

As Mike mentioned, Smithing and Alchemy are probably the best crafts in the game to learn and improve. Creating your own armor and potions is a huge advantage. Granted, you'll still find lots of special armor and weapons during your travels, but it's nice to have a backup plan. Another thing about crafting in Skyrim is that it seems to be a lot easier to grasp than in past Elder Scrolls games, although, if real alchemists sampled their wares as much as I do, I'd think their life spans weren't that long; "Hey I wonder what this plant does?" "Dude, eat it, and find out."

Skyrim can be pretty demanding on hardware, but it does have lots of tweaks you can take advantage of. This has been the case with every ES game since Daggerfall. As already pointed out, the game's developer, Bethesda, has patched the game's initial problems with memory addressing and it is much more stable now. This will continue for a long time, since Bethesda has big plans for Skyrim beyond the initial release. In addition to bug fixes, there will be new content patches, as well as the inevitable expansion or two, and the Creation Kit, the tool used to build the game, will be released Real Soon™, and the mod community will then create years' worth of content for the game. So, if you think about it, buying the PC version of the game now is an investment that will keep paying for itself.  :)

Having said all that, I can't blame anyone for not wanting to deal with the PC glitches and going with the console versions of the game(all official patches are pushed out automagically through PSN and XboxLive). Trying to keep up with the latest hardware advances is almost impossible, and it's easy to get caught up in an endless cycle of what I call 'upgrad-icide.' I have't built a custom box in about 10 years now, and I'm currently running Skyrim on an Alienware M11x laptop. Certainly not top-of-the-line, but it does have a decent CPU and a pretty good graphics card(Nvidia GT335M), which is key for these kinds of games. I've got it plugged into a 24" external display, so I have enough horsepower to run the game decently and show off the occasional cool screenshot. It's not bleeding-edge, but it's sufficient for a few years' worth of decent gaming without breaking the bank.

The key for these games is having enough system memory in Windows (at least 4GB of RAM) and a decent video card with at least 1 GB RAM onboard, neither of which are very expensive these days. But if you'd prefer to avoid the headaches of tweaking your computer, you can just get the PS3 or Xbox360 versions of the game, and you'll still have a great time.

Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: mgriffin on January 19, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
45th level now, and I've leveled my alchemy, smithing and enchanting skills up to 100th level.

Because I've finally met that goal of maxing out those 3 skills, I'm focusing more on quests again. I'm spending more time in Markarth on the Forsworn cult quest, and I bought and furnished a house there. It's cool to have enchantment and alchemy tables in my own home!
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: jkn on January 19, 2012, 12:44:21 PM
My copy is now in the house patiently waiting for me to have time to open it and put it in the PS3.  Not sure when that's going to be yet... but it's there...   waiting...
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Altus on January 19, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
Since you're playing on PS3, it's not a bad thing that you're waiting.  There's a serious performance bug that's plagued it, and a patch coming out in the next few weeks that should squash it.
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: Antdude on January 20, 2012, 11:37:15 AM
Been distracted the last few days by Real Life™ but hoping this weekend will allow for some game time.

I finished the main quest and it was pretty epic in the end. Nice payoff. That's about all I'll say about it.  :)

The great thing is that the game's not over. There's still a lot I haven't done yet: I've yet to make a choice between the Stormcloaks and the Imperials, I haven't started the Dark Brotherhood questline, haven't gotten married(yes, you can get married in the game) and I haven't yet been to Falkreath. I own a house in Whiterun, Riften, and Solitude and am currently working on the Markarth quests. I'm still a couple points shy of maxing out Smithing, but I'm a master at Archery(I'll put your eye out at 100 yards) and one-handed attacks.

Just exploring and looking for all the little nooks and crannies in the game is still fun. Recently, a dragon attacked Solitude after I'd just bought my house there. I didn't think dragons attacked while you were in a hub city and it was pretty epic to see the guards come out en masse and help me take down the dragon. Then they all stood around and thanked me for killing it.

Bethesda just announced that a new patch for the game(on all platforms) is incoming to address various game glitches, but even better, the Creation Kit, the tool used to create the game is being released for the mod community to create new content for Skyrim on the PC. Even without the CK, there have been some incredibly creative and resourceful mods and fixes for the game that just make the experience that much better. It's only going to get better over time. And we still haven't yet heard how Bethesda plans to expand the game, although the rumors are interesting....
Title: Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Post by: APK on April 16, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
I'm level 41 and can't say enough god things about this game.
It's astonishingly good. Playable, visually stunning,variable, and absorbing.