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Title: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on December 12, 2011, 11:23:39 AM
I am super stoked about this film, as "Alien" (1979) is in my Top 3 all-time faves.  I guess there a lot of fansites out there posting supposed storylines about the film, some of which have been confirmed fake by 20th Century Fox, but some of these sound really interesting nonetheless.  Considering it's Ridley's first sci-fi project in 30 years my hopes are really high, as he said he'd only revisit the genre if the story was really good.  I also read H.R. Giger's involved again, which is a really good thing IMO.  The lead actors in this are all excellent, too (Charlize Theron, Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender).   
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: mgriffin on December 12, 2011, 11:56:18 AM
I'm pretty interested in this too. Generally Ridley Scott can still be trusted, I think.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Antdude on December 12, 2011, 01:46:50 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic, as I've always been a fan of Ridley Scott's work(I met him at the Alien premiere in Los Angeles), and Alien is one of my all-time favorite films. I've been avoiding spoiler-riffic sites in order to let whatever the film's premise is just be a surprise, but I'm hoping that Scott's decision to wait this long to jump back into sci-fi will be worth the wait for a worthy sequel(prequel?).

I remember years ago, Scott said in an interview that he wouldn't mind being known as "the John Ford of science fiction." It's a shame that the commercial failures of 'Blade Runner' and 'Legend' soured him on that idea, but it's a testament to how strong his original vision was, that those films are still so powerful and influential more than 30 years later.

Let's hope it makes for a great summer next year.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Altus on December 13, 2011, 05:17:06 AM
Cautiously optimistic covers me as well.  I will refuse to read or watch anything about this film, and I'll go see regardless of what others are saying.
Here's hoping it doesn't suck.   :P
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on December 13, 2011, 11:27:09 AM
I'm jealous, Antdude (about meeting RS).  He seems like a really charming, interesting guy who would be great fun to have a conversation with. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Anodize DB on December 22, 2011, 01:54:17 PM
After a few teasers this past week, the Prometheus trailer has now dropped, and it looks absolutely bugfuck godlike! Can't even remotely temper my enthusiasm about this...the whole feel of the film truly seems to be, as Scott has put it, epic, and if this is evidence of the final product...watch out, world!

Already been an interesting week for cinematic teasers, what with trailers for The Hobbit & The Dark Knight Rises also bowing, and both of those look stunning as well. Wife & I are going to see Mission Impossible in IMAX this Saturday night, and I'm psyched both for that & the TDKR footage.

2012's obviously going to be a big year, film-wise.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on December 22, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
Prometheus Trailer - Official TRUE HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Dave Michuda on December 22, 2011, 04:50:32 PM
Darren,

MI:4 in Imax ought to be awesome.  I had a hard time watching the skyscraper scenes at a normal ultra screen.  Can't imagine what an Imax will be like.   Of course I pretty squirm like a little girl at heights anyway. 

MI:4 was good, a lot of fun.  They played the Dark Knight trailer right before it & that looked pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on December 22, 2011, 08:52:23 PM
I commented this on facebook so I'm pasting here.  It's based on the above trailer, and how there was some speculation on whether this is really an Alien prequel or not.  Basically I think it's a separate story, but vaguely ties in toward the end... perhaps gives room for further stories that could bridge it more?  Hard to say.

hey guys, just checked this trailer again. If you pause it at 0:45, you'll notice the same console as the "Space Jockey" that was fossilized with the chest erupted in the first Alien movie. Then, at 0:55, you see what looks just like the derilect spacecraft from the outside (same Alien1 movie) that was sending out the S.O.S. What this tells me is maybe it leads up toward the events that begin Alien, but hardly a true prequel in the sense of much character continuity and a reasonable time elapse- in other words it's about as much of a prequel as "Ong Bak 2" was to Ong Bak, the Thai Warrior if you ever saw those fine action flicks.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on December 23, 2011, 11:33:45 AM
That Prometheus trailer is frickin awesome!!!

I think this could be the best space movie ever from a visual standpoint.  Keeping fingers crossed...counting down to June...
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: APK on December 23, 2011, 03:24:12 PM
Yep, looking forward to this one for sure.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Hypnagogue on December 28, 2011, 07:07:18 AM
Over at io9.com they did a frame breakdown of the trailer. Lots of good detail to be had:

http://io9.com/5870560/frame+by+frame-breakdown-of-the-prometheus-trailer-who-is-that-man/gallery/1 (http://io9.com/5870560/frame+by+frame-breakdown-of-the-prometheus-trailer-who-is-that-man/gallery/1)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on December 29, 2011, 10:56:32 PM
Thanks for posting frame breakdown.  The trailer zips by so fast I had to keep pausing it to see anything.  I believe what the writer called "pegs", though, are urns full of genetic material. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: 9dragons on January 05, 2012, 02:28:30 PM
Getting the chills just watching this preview. The fact that he used Giger again to do the design shows true integrity. I have not anticipated a film more than this as far as I can remember.

(Just went through the frame by frame commentary and the alien nerd inside me is crying with joy. But I feel like I've learned too much already. Will follow Altus' wise advice and attempt to avoid any further investigation into the film until release)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Antdude on January 05, 2012, 06:36:59 PM
Still avoiding the spoiler sites, so not gonna visit the frame-by-frame commentary( I feel like I know too much already), but I broke down and saw "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" and the Prometheus trailer was attached, as well. What I noticed this time was Ridley Scott's use of the frame and widescreen format, which is somewhat lost in a Quicktime video.

'Alien' used the frame like few films I've ever seen before or since. The claustrophobia of the Nostromo's passageways and air ducts was a palpable thing, the cramped spaces of the flight deck and Mother's Room, imparted the feeling of lots of hiding places, and yet, no place to hide at all. The lower decks with their vaulted ceilings in perpetual shadow provided their own dark pools of horror. I can't overstate how effective that was on a 60-foot high screen. If you've never seen 'Alien' in a theater, been surrounded by that oppressive imagery and a truly enveloping soundtrack design, it's hard to describe what an incredible experience that was. Watching the ship glide silently across that cloud-filled sky in the trailer made me feel again like the 20-year-old film geek I was when I first heard about 'Alien' back in '78.

I guess my point here, if there is one, is that if you're at all interested in this film, don't wait for it to come out on video. Go see it in a theater, a big one, with Imax, if possible. That's what Event films are all about and I think we're all hoping that this will be the event film of 2012.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on January 06, 2012, 11:21:24 AM
I'm camping out at the theater to see the first screening.  Never anticipated a movie as much in my life!!
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on January 25, 2012, 01:20:50 AM
(http://moviesblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/prometheusinternational.jpg)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: DeepR on February 03, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
Prometheus, The Hobbit, Samsara. Game of Thrones season 2.
Gonna be a great year. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Antdude on March 17, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
The second trailer dropped today, and it's even more awesome. And with that, I really have to stop looking for stuff, because I think we're all going to be amazed:

Prometheus Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QacIEFP6uAw#ws)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on March 17, 2012, 09:35:29 PM
OMFG!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Bill Binkelman on March 17, 2012, 09:53:42 PM
I have seen too many trailers that looked equally awesome and the final film didn't deliver. Admittedly, this looks fantastic, but I will wait for opening night...I have had too many expectations dashed on the rocks of reality. A lot of films can be assembled into an amazing trailer and the resulting film is only "okay" so we will see. Also, I hope Scott knows what he is doing screwing around with the Alien mythos. Lucas did that with the prequel and we got "midocholorians."
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on March 17, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
This IMAX trailer was also apparently leaked today: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AXLzJhZa8PY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AXLzJhZa8PY#)!

From a yahoo news story, about Ridley Scott:  He played down the Alien connection, saying that while there has been talk of the movie having "DNA from Alien," once he and Lindelof began story meetings, it morphed into something else.

"It evolved into another universe," he said. "If we're lucky, there'll be a second part. It does leave you with some nice open questions."


Maybe Scott's playing coy here, I don't know.  If there's any connection to the Alien series, it could be pretty distant.  In other words, if the aliens we came to know and love were only a synthesis of DNA and technology from a superior alien race, would it ruin the myth that much?  I don't think so.  I agree Bill about "midocholorians", but we got much, much, more than just that with the prequels  ;D  If that concept was introduced but with a killer movie and story, you know, we probably would shrug it off. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Jeff Sampson on March 19, 2012, 02:58:24 PM
WOW!!! As of today, I'm saving my pennies.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: mgriffin on April 03, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
We saw the latest Prometheus trailer on the big screen before Hunger Games (which was also good, btw) and it looked completely amazing. This one looks like a "can't-miss" to me.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Antdude on April 17, 2012, 03:05:31 PM
Happy Birthday David (NEW Prometheus Viral!) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOOJl5lWNfM#ws)
I. Can't . Wait.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on April 17, 2012, 03:23:22 PM
A very believeable robot I'd say.  Nice.  Countdown to June 8......
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on May 16, 2012, 11:06:51 AM
Well I just watched the first clip from the film released, "Prometheus landing," it's about a 1 min. clip.  Why do they always have to ruin these movies with the grandiose CGI and dumbass dialog/wooden delivery of lines?  I hate some of these characters already.  The ship's captain saying "yeah baby" as the ship lands on the alien planet likes he's playing some kind of football video game.  I admit the previews looked good, but when you watch 1 min. of steady film you start to see the flaws.  Sorry Ridley, you've lost me already.  My excitement level has gone down to about half of what it was.  I'm still going on opening day nevertheless.  To be honest, even the original Alien had a couple really stupid lines that make me cringe every time.  But you'd think with all the money and time and hype, somebody could get the script right.   >:( 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on May 16, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
Prometheus Movie Clip "The Landing " (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EtnyKXacF0#ws)

Here's the clip in question.  If this was an actual clip I thought it was rather briskly edited, but other than that I felt the CGI was tactful and no problem with a yeah baby now and then.  Especially landing on a new planet- it's gotta get the juices flowing depending on one's personality.   

Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on May 17, 2012, 12:06:50 AM
What sounded fake in "Alien" was when Sigourney keeps calling it "the alien" and when she asks how to kill it and says "How?  How do we do it??!". Makes me cringe every time I watch it.  Back to Prometheus, I think too much editing/fast cuts can make it look cheap and like they had no confidence in the sets or production design.  Hate to be pessimistic at this point but I need to prepare for some disappointment.  You have to admit Ridley hasn't made a great film in 12 years, and in between he has made some real stinkers. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on May 30, 2012, 01:03:03 PM
Taking June 7 and 8 off to see this (either sneak preview showing or opening day show, hopefully in IMAX).  8)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on June 05, 2012, 10:19:40 AM
the following contains conjecture and some observation.  If you're preferring going in 'blind' you may want to avoid this message:




saw a clip of an English radio host's review of Prometheus.  Apparently this has been released in Europe?  A lot of the comments on the thread were of disappointment and criticism, but overall the actual review on the video was positive.  His basic message:  if you're expecting an Alien repeat, you'll be let down.  There are a lot of big ideas in this movie and a couple great performances, imperfect movie, but very good and "gripping" throughout. 

I also think from the few clips I've now seen, the editing throughout is a little quicker than the old Alien movie.  It seems like Ridley Scott's direction has definitely quickened over the years.  Gone is the artistic emphasis that seems to establish the scene more and lingers.  His scenes are still sweeping and big, but his style is more epic and driving now than Alien and Blade Runner.   I found that it worked fine with a movie like Kingdom of Heaven- enjoyed that one.   One movie he made that kind of married the action with the "artistic" well was Gladiator.  There were plenty of action scenes but there were also good moments of reflection and classic Ridley Scott mood.  That would be a good fit for this type of movie, but I'm expecting a quicker pace in the line of Kingdom' and Robin Hood.  Or, Aliens rather than Alien, to use the series. 

One last thing, and this is more like an anti-spoiler:  Ridley Scott was being serious- this truly is its own story.  Any connections to Alien are distant at best, and that may have been another reason people were disappointed.  Other things people were criticizing were the music and dialogue- I heard a few of the recordings on youtube and to me they seem more than fitting, so I may disagree.  As far as dialogue, if you remember Blade Runner, there was plenty of dialogue between Deckard and the chief Bryant that seemed very "crime noir" almost like dark comic book one liners.  But then you had perfomances like Rutger Hauer that really took it into a unique dimension.  Like that perhaps Prometheus will have similar standout perfomances that make all the rest seem bland.

anyone interested here's the review:  it spares the listener of spoilers, I promise- Prometheus reviewed by Mark Kermode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jyxZBuWSXM#ws)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on June 05, 2012, 09:05:35 PM
Prometheus Movie Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjvCU8cdWNk#ws)

Here's a gushingly glowing review- good to see someone so hyped for it and found it delivered.  (SPOILER-FREE!)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on June 05, 2012, 09:54:21 PM
Thanks for the video review.  Trying not to pee my pants with excitement! 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Bill Binkelman on June 06, 2012, 10:36:27 AM
I have no problem reading a lot about movies before I see them...spoilers be damned, you might say is my motto. Anyway, I have read a LOT of reaction to this film so far, from fans and critics (the fans are in Europe and have seen it already). The results are VERY mixed. It seems, oddly enough, that a lot more critics are impressed with the film while many fans (of Scott's other works) are, well, to be honest, let down/disappointed/pissed off. Apparently, the "themes" of the movie are much "heavier" than Alien (even heavier than Blade Runner, apparently). It strikes me as odd, though, that there is a huge disagreement about the film's flaws. Some find the dialogue cringe-worthy, characterization non-existent (except for Fassbender, according to most), and plot full of holes you could drive the Nostromo through. Others (mostly professional critics) find it one of those "brilliant" failures that reaches for something far beyond the usual and, even if not hitting it, is to be commended for the ambition. Almost everyone praises the visual design and "look" of the film. Soundtrack music gets a pan from almost everyone, though. I know I will see this, but not sure how soon after its release. Rotten Tomatoes is currently polling it at 78% "fresh" but, IMO, having been a fan of that site for many years, I sense that more and more the awarding of a fresh tomato is not always indicative of the review (when one reads the entire review).

I will stand by my comments from months ago. I have seen WAY too many cases of overhype killing a movie, to the point that either expectations are so high that almost no film can meet them OR that the hype wasn't warranted. I have viewed many trailers that LOOKED awesome only to have the film be mediocre. Only time will tell with this one, but I'd rather go in with medium to low expectations and be pleasantly surprised than go in thinking I am going to see something akin to 2001 and instead see something closer in quality to Dark Star.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on June 06, 2012, 12:36:54 PM
Bill, I think you got it right here.  I agree with your comments. 

I'm going into it with a healthy dose of skepticism and expect it to be more a "brilliant failure" than another "Alien" (which will mostly likely never be repeated again in terms of originality).

I think it's fair to say, also (and this has been brought up lately), that both "Alien" and "Blade Runner" had their fair share of bad reviews when released.  And look at their near-mythical status now. 

In any case, I hope Prometheus doesn't suck too bad.  ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Scott M2 on June 07, 2012, 11:41:19 AM
Just to help lower your expectations when you go to see this film, the two Toronto weeklies I read rated it 2/5 stars and 3/10 stars.
Both reviewers were super-disappointed.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Scott M2 on June 08, 2012, 06:16:45 AM
I don't want to go raising expectations now, but the CBC Radio film reviewer really liked the film, though she said she had to keep lowering her expectations as it went along.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Bill Binkelman on June 08, 2012, 08:34:32 AM
Just read several dozens of reader reviews over at aintitcool.com and they are overwhelmingly negative....now, these are "fanboys" so they were hoping for brilliance, so maybe that is part of it. Without mentioning any spoilers, what I glean from their comments is that the biggest problem with the film is that it's a lot like the TV show LOST...it asks all these "questions" and throws all this stuff at you and nothing adds up...plot lines dangle and die left and right. And we're not talking about wrapping things up all neat and tidy, because I don't mind ambiguity in a movie, but it's the reason I gave up on LOST after 2.5 seasons i.e. I kept thinking "okay, but what about "x" and "y?" Based on the reviews, it seems that the last third of the film is a dire mess, with characters making decisions and acting either in an incredibly inconsistent manner OR making decisions and acting in such stupid ways that the film is like the worst haunted house movie, a la "Don't go into the basement, you idiot!" Not to mention that many things that are "important" are completely unexplained (perhaps answered in the sequel which looks like it will happen unless the movie tanks after 2-3 weeks).

I hope someone here on the forum who sees the movie today will post their reaction. I find it fascinating that some of the "professional" critics in the US press are praising the films but the fanboys and geeks are trashing it - usually with SF films, it's the other way around.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on June 08, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
I'm giving it a B-.  Will post my comments later.  Bottom line: it is definitely worth seeing.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on June 09, 2012, 08:25:25 PM
My showing of choice is probably this Monday maybe matinee.  And I'm going all in, baby.  IMAX 3-D.  Never saw Avatar or any of the last few years' 3D offerings, but may regret skipping this one. 

One last teaser worth reading before I'm "going in" : You can relax. Prometheus is very good. Not as frightening as Alien, not as thrilling as Aliens, but a 3D sci-fi blockbuster thatís easily the sagaís most spectacular entry. - Totalfilm.com 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Altus on June 10, 2012, 06:54:16 AM
Saw it yesterday. I loved it, yet was disappointed by it. My main gripe was the characters and their inconsistencies (Bill mentioned this).
Despite being just over two hours, the pacing of the film felt like an hour had been cut out. Aside from a few roles, character development was shallow at best. There were the "good" guys and "bad" guys, but their alliances weren't completely explained. I have no problem if they didn't explain it to keep you guessing, but the way it was portrayed felt like bad writing.

In spite of all this, if you have any interest in the film, definitely go see it. While it does leave many questions unanswered, it DOES answer the question I had ever since I watched the original Alien film so many years ago. That alone was worth the price of admission.

**********  WARNING: HERE BE SPOILERS **********

An example of inconsistent characters:
Take the two who were left in the pyramid (what they called it) when the storm arrived. At first, they reacted in a realistic manner when they found the bodies stacked in the hallway. Then they entered the storage room containing the oozing vases, and the mutated worms came. Now one of the characters is completely fearless, practically begging to be killed like an idiot in a horror movie.

Another example is when David has Shaw on the table, telling her she's pregnant, and then sedates her. She wakes to find two people prepping her for hypersleep. She fights them off (why didn't they give chase?) and uses the auto-surgery machine to remove the alien.
Then she returns to find David and some others, who seem completely okay that she escaped. In my opinion, this is a clear example of something that was left on the cutting room floor.

Another comment: While I love Guy Pearce in pretty much any other film, he can't play an old man to save his life...  ::)
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: einstein36 on June 10, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
Quite interesting, considering one of the writers, Damon Linderoff, who helped write the script for prometheus is now in consideration I read 2 days ago, one of the movie studios that is bringing the book, World War Z, as a movie is bringing him in to do almost a complete re-write probably costing the studio millions of dollars to do it...
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Bill Binkelman on June 10, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
Saw it yesterday. I loved it, yet was disappointed by it. My main gripe was the characters and their inconsistencies (Bill mentioned this).
Despite being just over two hours, the pacing of the film felt like an hour had been cut out. Aside from a few roles, character development was shallow at best. There were the "good" guys and "bad" guys, but their alliances weren't completely explained. I have no problem if they didn't explain it to keep you guessing, but the way it was portrayed felt like bad writing.

In spite of all this, if you have any interest in the film, definitely go see it. While it does leave many questions unanswered, it DOES answer the question I had ever since I watched the original Alien film so many years ago. That alone was worth the price of admission.

**********  WARNING: HERE BE SPOILERS **********

An example of inconsistent characters:
Take the two who were left in the pyramid (what they called it) when the storm arrived. At first, they reacted in a realistic manner when they found the bodies stacked in the hallway. Then they entered the storage room containing the oozing vases, and the mutated worms came. Now one of the characters is completely fearless, practically begging to be killed like an idiot in a horror movie.

Another example is when David has Shaw on the table, telling her she's pregnant, and then sedates her. She wakes to find two people prepping her for hypersleep. She fights them off (why didn't they give chase?) and uses the auto-surgery machine to remove the alien.
Then she returns to find David and some others, who seem completely okay that she escaped. In my opinion, this is a clear example of something that was left on the cutting room floor.

Another comment: While I love Guy Pearce in pretty much any other film, he can't play an old man to save his life...  ::)

THIS is one of the things that every review mentions as being laughably absurd. Shaw performs self-surgery (basically she performs a Caesarian  section on herself), and STAPLES (not sews) the incision and within a very short time (instead of a few days) is RUNNING around. Come on...seriously? How can I take any movie seriously when it has a scene like that?

I will likely see this when it comes to my neighborhood second run theater (the Riverview) since (a) it'll be cheap (3 bucks) and (b) the Riverview consistently wins "best theater" awards due to screen size, sound system, etc. so I wouldn't be slumming going there. But my expectations are so low now that it would have be as bad as Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes or Joel Schumacher's  Batman and Robin for me to be STILL disappointed in it. I now only look forward to the (always praised even in negative reviews) set design, FX, etc., i.e. the film LOOKS great supposedly. But from what I have read, Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (one of my ultimate guilty pleasures) makes more sense from a narrative standpoint.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: drone on on June 10, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
Damon Lindeloff is a total loser and whatever $ he got for this film was totally undeserved.  I, DRONE ON, could have written a better script and pleased the "deep thinkers" and the "teenage gore crowd" at the same time, and I would have done it for FREE!!!  Lindeloff along with the co-writer just simply RUINED this production.  But Ridley and 20th Century Fox have to take the blame as well for greenlighting such a horrid story/script.  See my full review tomorrow (I will create a separate thread so as not to spoil it for others who still plan to see it).  My review will also include a plot rewrite; basically, how I would have written it, plus I'll give some ideas for a way they can make up for this disaster in the sequel. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: SunDummy on June 10, 2012, 09:36:49 PM
I haven't seen it yet, but I found this interesting; this guy might be reading way, waaaaaaayy between the lines, but food for thought either way...

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/comment/60452 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/comment/60452)



Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: | broken harbour | on June 11, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
I saw it last night, I liked it....sort of.

It felt like 2 movies smooshed together, the first half is all very 2001: ASO-ish with big grand cinematography and huge, gorgeous shots and sets.  Then halfway through it becomes a pretty standard squishy monster flick.

I felt that while it had some nice ideas and cool design, it squandered a ton of potential.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: jdh on June 11, 2012, 09:56:04 PM
I saw it tonight. The first 2 minutes are great,then it is all downhill.Story,plot,characters all horrible.
Some cool shots,sets,music was just OK.
There were several scenes where the audience outright laughed,not a good sign.A few even left.
Ridley embarrassed himself with this one.
Still,it got me out of the heat.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Seren on June 12, 2012, 04:28:31 AM
Some heavy hearted reviews here - sad to see the original film classic devalued by the franchise.

I think I'll wait for the DVD release and see if it is as dissapointing as the 'The Thing' prequel - which I think did well in linking events in the 2 films but character development, plot and exploring the situations possibilities were woefully lazy and inadequate.

As for the Planet of the Apes reboot - I think the boot got stuck in the arsholes of the writers and totally destroyed the depth of the original.....
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: mystified on June 12, 2012, 05:06:45 AM
I go in for landing tonight-- trying to keep an open mind.

Incidentally, just got Alien 1-4 on Bluray for about forty bucks at Amazon-- it's a nice boxed set, to remember the earlier films.
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 12, 2012, 10:48:43 AM
Went to see it last night....still have it on my mind.  Stunning Visuals.  Mammoth production.  The usual amount of hollywood nonsense seem to get lost in the movie rather than being so obvious...a good thing.
All in all I enjoyed it.  Have to say the one link to the original Alien 1 movie that was messed up is the Super Human chases  Shaw after his spacecraft crashes  near the end of the movie.  In the first Alien the Superhuman is  found in the chair thing with its chest exploded out.  They were so close to putting the 2 movies together.  Must be to link up another movie yet to come other wise it just terrible continuity 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: judd stephens on June 12, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
Finally caught it today @ IMAX 3D matinee- wow.  It had a lot more thrills than bummers for me.  While I do agree with just about every critique people on this thread have already made, the enthusiasm has weathered just about everything.  I will post more of my thoughts and share in the critique on another thread in detail, but I left with a lot of curiosities running around as to this newly created world the movie inhabits, and wanting to watch it again. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Altus on June 13, 2012, 04:10:05 AM
Have to say the one link to the original Alien 1 movie that was messed up is the Super Human chases  Shaw after his spacecraft crashes  near the end of the movie.  In the first Alien the Superhuman is  found in the chair thing with its chest exploded out.
There's a good reason for this: It's not the same planet as Alien. They were on LV-223, not LV-426. ;D
Title: Re: Prometheus (aka Alien prequel) by Ridley Scott June 2012
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on June 13, 2012, 05:28:56 AM
Have to say the one link to the original Alien 1 movie that was messed up is the Super Human chases  Shaw after his spacecraft crashes  near the end of the movie.  In the first Alien the Superhuman is  found in the chair thing with its chest exploded out.
There's a good reason for this: It's not the same planet as Alien. They were on LV-223, not LV-426. ;D

What!.......all that way and its the wrong planet.   :o