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Title: Bandcamp
Post by: zzzone.net on July 12, 2013, 03:41:58 AM
Bandcamp seems to be setting the standard for the distribution of digital music.  The variety and amount of music that is available is mind-boggling, and much of it can be had for "pay what you want" or free.  I'm tickled pink about the availability of my precious .flac files.  Entire labels have set up their own camps there.  Limited edition CDs are also available in many cases.

The new social media aspect (collections) is also fairly cool but clearly in its infancy.

I'm curious what other forum members and, in particular, artists and labels think about Bandcamp.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: phobos on July 12, 2013, 05:12:19 AM
As an artist and as a purchaser of other artists music I find Bandcamp excellent.
As an artist you only have to upload your file(s) once, wav or flac depending on the size, Bandcamp does the conversion for you, when the buyer chooses the format they want. You can upload artwork and bonus items, etc, and you can even sell physical stuff from there as well, and you can set your own prices. All in all pretty damn good!

As a purchaser, everything has been smooth, you choose the format you want, one price regardless of file type, files arrive with no problems at all.
You can listen to whole albums if you want, before you decide to buy or not, very important if you're out there discovering new artists, gives you a safety net so to speak.

I like the collections thing too, it is very interesting having a look at what other people who have some similar tastes, are listening to in addition to those you have in common.

I did sell one of my albums on Musiczeit, but took it off after a couple of months and put everything on Bandcamp, Musiczeit wasn't for me, I have not tried CD Baby for selling, but to be honest I am more than happy with Bandcamp and wouldn't bother looking to sell on CD Baby.
I have bought music from CD Baby before MP3 only at that time, I believe now they offer flac also but I think there is a price difference, although I may be wrong on that. Bandcamp would always be my first port of call for digital, and if I didn't need to go anywhere else then I wouldn't.
I hope this has been helpful.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: chris23 on July 12, 2013, 06:18:30 AM
I love Bandcamp for all the reasons you've stated. I would also add that, as a consumer rather than an artist, there have been many artists from whom I've purchased digital files and/or physical CDs simply because of the experience that the Bandcamp platform offers. I have stumbled across the work of lesser known artists serendipitously by exploring Bandcamp. I have bought albums from well known artists that I wouldn't have bought other wise simply because I had the opportunity to hear the entire release a few times and get "hooked" on it. Finally, the potential for impulse shopping is huge on Bandcamp. Want that CD? Buy it. And while you wait for it to arrive in the mail, enjoy your immediate digital download. I'm sure that kind of tricksy benefits many artists.

Here is my Bandcamp profile/collection: https://bandcamp.com/rcfraley
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: | broken harbour | on July 12, 2013, 12:10:28 PM
I was an early adopter back when Bandcamp got started.  I love it, they know how to treat artists, and buying music through bandcamp is dead easy.  I also like the way they handle physical sales, as I have to box it up and mail it myself, not depend on cdbaby or a different distribution platform.  This makes the artist and listeners feel more connected, and I like that.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: petekelly on July 12, 2013, 01:56:01 PM
Speaking as an artist, I'm very impressed with Bandcamp. I was a bit 'sniffy' about it at first, but it really is a good set-up they have. Their Flac file capability is unique as far as I know. I think the indexing of search terms is a bit slow for new releases, but apart from that no complaints.

I've heard some artists bemoan Bandcamp's lack of promotional 'focus' and that it's easy to get lost there (amongst the many, many releases) and I think those points are probably true, but that's the nature of the beast.

CD Baby is still the only decent way to go for digital distribution though, which isn't Bandcamp's thing.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: chris23 on July 12, 2013, 02:41:35 PM
CD Baby is still the only decent way to go for digital distribution though, which isn't Bandcamp's thing.

What does that mean, exactly? I'm a bit naive on how things work on the artist, label, distro end.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: zzzone.net on July 12, 2013, 03:56:13 PM
I was an early adopter back when Bandcamp got started.  I love it, they know how to treat artists, and buying music through bandcamp is dead easy.  I also like the way they handle physical sales, as I have to box it up and mail it myself, not depend on cdbaby or a different distribution platform.  This makes the artist and listeners feel more connected, and I like that.

I'm just listening to Gramophone Transmissions on Bandcamp right now and really digging it.  My cup of tea.  Proves that rapid gratification can be good.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on July 12, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
As a musician bandcamp is the only place my music is available. Its so simple to create an identity of ones own underneath the huge umbrella that bandcamp is.  AS a music lover it is the first place I go to buy music.  Slowly more established labels such as Projekt for example are using Bandcamp for their downloads.  This is encouraging.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Scott Raymond on July 12, 2013, 06:07:44 PM
As a consumer and DJ, I like Bandcamp a lot for all the reasons listed here. I'd also like to add that it's easy for musicians to offer promo downloads to DJ's and reviewers, too. As a DJ, I'm seeing more and more promo downloads these days, and I've never had problems with the Bandcamp system.

Scott Raymond
WVKR-FM
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: | broken harbour | on July 12, 2013, 06:38:40 PM
I was an early adopter back when Bandcamp got started.  I love it, they know how to treat artists, and buying music through bandcamp is dead easy.  I also like the way they handle physical sales, as I have to box it up and mail it myself, not depend on cdbaby or a different distribution platform.  This makes the artist and listeners feel more connected, and I like that.

I'm just listening to Gramophone Transmissions on Bandcamp right now and really digging it.  My cup of tea.  Proves that rapid gratification can be good.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: petekelly on July 13, 2013, 01:43:06 AM
CD Baby is still the only decent way to go for digital distribution though, which isn't Bandcamp's thing.

What does that mean, exactly? I'm a bit naive on how things work on the artist, label, distro end.

By paying CD Baby, they send the music off to the likes of iTunes, Amazon and the like. Bandcamp just sells from their site.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Dave Michuda on July 13, 2013, 02:00:55 PM
Another big thumbs up from me.  I agree with all the reason given so far.  I am more inclined to buy something the moment I see it's on Bandcamp.

I think my last two posts in the Now Playing thread have been all Bandcamp purchases.

I agree with Chris, I really like the collections as a way to discover new stuff.

Here's my collection... https://bandcamp.com/davidmichuda (https://bandcamp.com/davidmichuda)
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: zzzone.net on July 26, 2013, 01:48:50 PM
Hey Mike.

Did you consider having your store on Bandcamp?  If so what made you decide to NOT do that way?

Jim
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: APK on July 26, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
I like Bandcamp. It's an excellent and consistent design. Especially good for artists.

To respond to Jim, from a label point of view, unless they have been adding things recently I'm not sure Bandcamp is suited to labels with a big and varied catalog. How would it handle multiple artists and 100's of releases?  And what happens to all your work uploading things if Bandcamp goes bankrupt and shuts down?

Having your own download store allows you sort/categorize and show things how you want. It really does have a lot more options, and you are not dependent on anyone else.

APK
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: ffcal on July 26, 2013, 05:54:40 PM
I think Bandcamp can be especially useful when you looking for a release that is digital only, because of the FLAC option.  But I have mixed feelings about that from the standpoint of someone who still releases on CD, as it can cannibalize your physical CD sales.  For small run or limited releases, though, it can be a great alternative.  One advantage of wider distribution is that less web-savvy customers can still go with a mainstream digital retailer such as Amazon or iTunes, if they don't have a comfort level with Bandcamp.

Forrest
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: chris23 on July 27, 2013, 07:30:00 AM
But I have mixed feelings about that from the standpoint of someone who still releases on CD, as it can cannibalize your physical CD sales.
Forrest

I wonder about that too. It seems as if there are a number of possible outcomes and the way things add up probably depend a lot on how you conceptualize the plasticity of the audience.

For example, if you conceptualize the audience as fixed (e.g., 300 people bought the last CD-only release), then releasing the next album on digital + CD means that some fraction of those 300 buyers will opt for the digital version instead of the physical version. That will hurt CD sales for sure. That may turn out to be a loss for the label depending on the various costs of product, distribution, etc.

But it also could be the case that, as a result of a digital release, the audience itself grows. There may be, for example, people who were unwilling to pay > $13 for a physical copy who would gladly pay $5 for a digital copy. It could also be the case that there is a certain percentage of fans and collectors who strongly prefer physical copies regardless, thereby making it possible to sell a fixed number of CDs regardless of the available formats. If the total number of fans increases with a move to digital distribution, it is quite possible to sell the same (or more) physical CDs while growing your fan base. That's a win-win for everyone.

Anyhow, one of my concerns is that we can discuss these issues from the comfort of our armchairs and never really appreciate how things breakdown. Bandcamp, fortunately, makes it possible to experiment with various options, get some real numbers, and make decisions in a way that can best support a label and artist. I was impressed when Saul Stokes popped up a few months ago and noted that his "pay what you want" system had netted him more for his bottom line in a few days than his cumulative sales of physical CDs had over years.

--

I realize that it is difficult to write about these things without coming across as a pusher. To be clear: I'm not pushing for anything. I'm simply a fan who loves Bandcamp. I'd hate to see some of my favorite artists and labels shy away from it (potentially to at their own loss) when it is so easy to test the waters by adding a handful of releases to the site and seeing how it all plays out. If I recall correctly, Mike wrote in the past that the artists retain the rights to the digital distribution of their music on Hypnos. So Hypnos might not be in a good position to do such tests, except with some of Griffin's own releases.


Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: drone on on July 27, 2013, 08:31:40 AM
The more people who buy the download, as opposed to the 300-copy cd, the more cds there will be for all of us who don't do digital.   8)

If you really want to ensure cd sales, sell as a cd-only release.  Silent Season did that recently (ASC, "Time Heals All") and the disc sold out in about a day.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: chris23 on July 27, 2013, 09:47:58 AM
I'd love to see Silent Season's numbers. They seem to vary things quite a bit. Some of their releases are available as digital downloads on Bandcamp; some are not. The recent ASC release, although it could be purchased on Bandcamp, didn't even make full audio tracks available via the "download tracks with purchase" feature--another funky form of experimentation.

I wonder what Silent Season's income is on the CD + digital versus the CD only releases.

The "buy now or lose your chance" strategy seems risky to me. It is certainly a way to move product quickly. But it can also be aggravating for fans. I had to get Segue's Pacifica on vinyl, for example, because there was no way to buy a digital copy (and I'm not a torrent type of guy) and the CD sold out quickly. Annoying. (No offense to vinyl fans.)
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: betawave31 on July 28, 2013, 04:11:49 AM
Nice to see people speaking out about Bandcamp.

I started using Bandcamp last year on recommendations from a good friend and all I have to say is that they are very fair with regards to fees plus a very clean user interface is a huge bonus. I also enjoy the fact that you do not need to be a tech wizard to set up a Bandcamp page which is the way these music sites "should" be designed from their genesis.

Having been a devotee of CD Baby for many a year I have shifted all my physical cd sales to Bandcamp and deferred the gouging that CD Baby administers per each cd sold. I mean $4 a disc profit on each cd sales plus upfront setup fees plus profit from your digital sales is just beating the independent over the head with fees. I only use CDB now for digital distribution i.e. ITunes, Amazon digital etc and for this they are a necessity.

As long as BC doesnt become a sellout to a big corporations i.e. CD Baby they are a shinning star in the Northern hemisphere for music distribution.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Altus on July 28, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
The "buy now or lose your chance" strategy seems risky to me. It is certainly a way to move product quickly. But it can also be aggravating for fans. I had to get Segue's Pacifica on vinyl, for example, because there was no way to buy a digital copy (and I'm not a torrent type of guy) and the CD sold out quickly. Annoying. (No offense to vinyl fans.)

If an artist is going to do a limited release of that kind and not offer downloads to purchase as an alternative, (as far as I'm concerned) they're asking to be ripped off via piracy. I get the appeal of limited releases, but why piss off your listeners by not allowing them to hear your work. To collectors, downloads have no trading value, unlike a physical product, so they shouldn't be considered the same thing.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: ffcal on July 28, 2013, 09:51:17 AM

If an artist is going to do a limited release of that kind and not offer downloads to purchase as an alternative, (as far as I'm concerned) they're asking to be ripped off via piracy. I get the appeal of limited releases, but why piss off your listeners by not allowing them to hear your work. To collectors, downloads have no trading value, unlike a physical product, so they shouldn't be considered the same thing.

That certainly is something that the artist should take into account, but I could also see reasons for offering the item exclusively in one format, too.  If the artist prefers the vinyl medium, it should really be his call (or the label's) to make.  If it is a bonus item sold in a limited run in a physical format, the incentive to buy it would be reduced if it were simultaneously available in a digital format.  Should a limited 12K release in deluxe packaging with a bonus CDR, for example (such as Taylor Deupree's latest), be available fully in digital form as well?  I view that as his call to make, not mine (as much as that might annoy me).

Forrest
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: El culto on July 28, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: Altus

If an artist is going to do a limited release of that kind and not offer downloads to purchase as an alternative, (as far as I'm concerned) they're asking to be ripped off via piracy. I get the appeal of limited releases, but why piss off your listeners by not allowing them to hear your work. To collectors, downloads have no trading value, unlike a physical product, so they shouldn't be considered the same thing.

Allow me to rephrase a bit  ;D

"If Apple is going to release Logic only for Apple Computers and not offering to purchase it for Windows too, they're asking to create angry customers (of course, the piracy issue doesnīt work here...lol). I get the appeal of Macīs, but why piss off your customers by not allowing them to work with your program on a PC?"

 ;)

For this example, is Apple now "devil" for you because it isnīt acting the way you would like to have it?

I hear and understand that you would love companies (or labels) just following the rules and wishes of (individual) customers, but if you run a company/label or whatever you have to follow first your personal believes/intentions and not "running behind" each personal wish from outside.

Greetings,
Tomas
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: petekelly on July 28, 2013, 12:27:03 PM
Surely one of the key parts of being an artist is that you are free to express yourself in whatever manner you choose to ? Regarding releasing music in whatever format you like is part and parcel of the same thing thing in my view. Some artists choose to release on cassette which seems somewhat obtuse to me, but each to their own.

There are some artists whose primary concern is the work itself, I saw this a lot when I worked in visual arts organisations.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: chris23 on July 28, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
I don't think Altus or anyone else is suggesting that artists do not have the right to release their works in any way they see fit.

The point is that are real costs that result from limiting people's access to your work via limited editions or by choosing to not make your work available digitally via legal channels.

One such cost is that the fans who want to support the work are denied the opportunity to do so. In another thread in this forum, Mike Griffin mentioned that there were a number of artists and labels who have wondered why they should continue to do what they are doing given some of the low returns on their efforts. And my sense was that everyone here appreciated the fact that one benefit of buying music--beyond the obvious--is that doing so creates a sense of community. Buying music not only enables me to enjoy music that I like, but it helps me feel that I'm supporting an artistic community. It is a niche community, for sure, but an important one in my view.

When fans are denied the opportunity to support the artists they appreciate, it undermines that sense of community.

To be clear, it is not the artist's responsibility to regulate my feelings, cater to my listening needs, or expend energy ensuring that they release their work in the exact format I desire. But if artists deliberately choose to limit the number of people who can support their work, they should be aware that such choices have the potential to alienate and limit their fan base.  If the fan base is expendable or irrelevant for the solipsistic artist, then no big deal. But I'm not aware of anyone in this community who laments the fact that they have too many listeners.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: ffcal on July 28, 2013, 01:20:21 PM
Some artists choose to release on cassette which seems somewhat obtuse to me, but each to their own.

I have a slightly different take on this, Pete.  Since I prefer a physical format to a virtual one, I am less inclined to buy a digital only release.  I just find that I don't play digital only releases very much, even when I've burned them to CDR.

Forrest
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: ffcal on July 28, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
The point is that are real costs that result from limiting people's access to your work via limited editions or by choosing to not make your work available digitally via legal channels.

I think there's a big difference between the two options.  With the declining proportion of listeners buying CDs, it makes more sense these days for a small labels to consider smaller runs for physical CDs (to the extent they plan to continue releasing on CD at all) than they had done in the past.  My upcoming reissue of "The Wolf At The Ruins/Migration" has a limited CD run of 300 copies (the digital release is not limited).  This is not intended to make the release more difficult to obtain, but is more of an attempt to gauge realistic demand, so that the label doesn't end up having to warehouse the remaining CDs indefinitely.

Forrest
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on July 28, 2013, 03:25:20 PM
If I could press 100 compact discs or maybe less I would.....no cd manufacturer that I know of will press less than 300. Thats cd's in digipak, artwork and all.  Cdr's are a different story  but it is not a format Im fond of.  So what does one do....satisfy my ego and press 300 cd's and sit on 2/3rd's or.....well there isn't an or there is however Bandcamp.   

I still love physical Cd's and will buy them.  Forrest's new release which Im really excited about should see all of those 300 discs sell for obvious reasons.

What if a person is  environmentally conscious an would like to have the choice not to add an addition carbon foot print.  It is on my mind when Im shopping for music.  Sometimes no download results in no sale.  Thats a loose loose situation.  Some labels will offer downloads but only mp3's, why not flac....if I want good audio I have to buy the cd.

I wish every artist could reach their audience in all musical formats that are desired, however the economics at work in this community are prohibitive.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: taalem on July 29, 2013, 01:11:23 AM
If I could press 100 compact discs or maybe less I would.....no cd manufacturer that I know of will press less than 300. Thats cd's in digipak, artwork and all. 
julio, have a look at http://www.mobineko.com (http://www.mobineko.com)
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on July 29, 2013, 05:36:37 AM
Thanks Taalem...... The Mobineko site is impressive.  Simple ftp uploading of files with good templates for photoshop and illustrator.  Quality is hard to determine yet they list the card stock used so thats good.  Have you used them?
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: phobos on July 29, 2013, 11:16:41 AM
If you have any CDs from the Gterma label, they use Mobineko, that will give you an idea of the quality.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: taalem on July 29, 2013, 12:19:57 PM
i've used them once for this release: http://www.discogs.com/Internal-Fusion-Tribute-To-Hastia/release/1748789 (http://www.discogs.com/Internal-Fusion-Tribute-To-Hastia/release/1748789) but just for the cd itself. everything went fine.
i know daniel (mystery sea and unfathomless labels) regularly use them and he's satisfied with their services. but again he only uses them for the cd itself, not the packaging.
here's a far from complete list of cds manufactured by mobineko: http://www.discogs.com/label/Mobineko+Multimedia (http://www.discogs.com/label/Mobineko+Multimedia)

on the other hand, i know another label owner who had a very bad experience with them but it was a complex release and artwork (triple cd with 6-panel digipak) and it didn't fit his expectations.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: | broken harbour | on July 29, 2013, 12:24:14 PM
One thing I do appreciate about Steve Roach is that he keeps his CD's in print (for the most part).  But he also offers them digitally, so no matter what you prefer, you can get his music in your desired format.  However, I do realize that for most of us, who sell 50-300 CD's per release, it isn't really feasible.  I've been thinking about it lately and I'll continue to have a physical CD provided for each release I do, but probably only a single print run, once it sells out I'll likely leave it as a digital release only, unless I hit the jackpot and hundreds of people clamor for a reprint.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on July 29, 2013, 06:33:40 PM
Thanks for the info regarding Mobineko.

Was over at Juno Downloads.....some high ticket items there.  New Boards of Canada, Tomorrows Harvest, $22 + for a wav file album.  Warp records is charging $11.95 for the same BOC flac file and 14 and change for a cd.  I just feel my wallet is being used and abused.  I will pay the going rate for a cd, I know what they cost, but please don't try to push one over on me that a wav file deserves some sort of special price.  Its just a wave file, ones & zero's......breath.   I feel better now that I got that out.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Altus on August 04, 2013, 06:56:47 AM
I don't think Altus or anyone else is suggesting that artists do not have the right to release their works in any way they see fit.

The point is that are real costs that result from limiting people's access to your work via limited editions or by choosing to not make your work available digitally via legal channels.
Thanks for clearing that up, Chris. That was exactly my point.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Poaalpina on August 22, 2013, 10:53:05 AM
I want to thank everyone who participated in the discussion. I think it's your words helped Jesse Solo (NUMINA) finally make the right decision and create his own page on Bandcamp. http://numina.bandcamp.com/ (http://numina.bandcamp.com/)
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: petekelly on August 22, 2013, 01:50:43 PM
Something I forgot to mention earlier, I was thinking about ways of backing up my albums and I decided that Bandcamp would serve as a some kind of 'cloud' storage facility as well as it's intended use. It looks like it's going to be around for awhile and I can download the Flac files if I ever need to.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: jkn on August 24, 2013, 04:50:39 AM
I like bandcamp - it's shifted to becoming where I get most of my music from these days.  Relaxed Machinery encourages all of our artists to use it in addition to whatever other format they want to release through (CD Baby for digital distro, CDR, etc...).  Since rM is decentralized as a label - each artist "self releases... together" - it allows them another outlet to release though that people like - with mp3 or flac - and we have the central label site linking to all the options for our listeners to buy from.  Win-Win.

John
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Julio Di Benedetto on November 15, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
Bandcamp do the all file conversion.....the artist sends them wav files, at say 24bit @ 96k and they will convert it to the other formats.  AS to limiting the free format...thats is up to the artist.  From my experience usually all digital formats are available, though I have not check the Rich bandcamp site you mention.....so maybe this is new.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Altus on November 16, 2013, 07:39:38 AM
The main reason they cut it down to 128kb/s is to keep bandwidth usage under control. Given it's a free sample, that's reasonable.

I think it's safe to say that if a listener has a critical ear, such as yourself, they know enough that the streaming version doesn't match the sonic fidelity of the purchased product (be it CD or FLAC), and won't judge the recording based on that.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Ekstasis on November 16, 2013, 11:49:55 AM
How many people know it is 128kb/s  I do not think many...
I found it out when I did try to download some album with jdownloader.

I understand they want to keep bandwidth down.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: chris23 on November 16, 2013, 12:50:24 PM
They note the 128 rate on their FAQ page.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Castleview on November 17, 2013, 06:11:09 PM
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Ekstasis on November 17, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.

yes I like the conecept...

I wonder..how much comission does bandcamp take ?
are they greedy ?
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Castleview on November 17, 2013, 06:25:53 PM
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.

yes I like the conecept...

I wonder..how much comission does bandcamp take ?
are they greedy ?

15% for digital sales. That's not too bad IMO.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Ekstasis on November 17, 2013, 06:51:52 PM
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.

yes I like the conecept...

I wonder..how much comission does bandcamp take ?
are they greedy ?

15% for digital sales. That's not too bad IMO.

surprisingly low. I did expect atleast 30%...
I wonder what spotify have, probably 99% or something (shared with the label combined)
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Castleview on November 17, 2013, 07:01:23 PM
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.

yes I like the conecept...

I wonder..how much comission does bandcamp take ?
are they greedy ?

15% for digital sales. That's not too bad IMO.

surprisingly low. I did expect atleast 30%...
I wonder what spotify have, probably 99% or something (shared with the label combined)

Yeah, Spotify gives next to nothing to artists but it's still better than Grooveshark.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Ekstasis on November 17, 2013, 08:09:05 PM
I hope something will happen...File sharing is better then spotify..cause atleast then the artitsts fans do not get fooled by paying money into the wrong pockets..it is like fooling people and give them good conscience to "listen" to music. But as long is it is greedy companies like spotify then file sharing and bit torrents is preferred... I am not a high beliver in that model...I like bandcamp system better..
especially if you yourself can decide what price.. A lot of artits have no job..they just need money for rent and food..
for that even small contributions can make big difference but if spotify take 99.9% it is not possible to survive on music..

Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Poaalpina on November 18, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
Immersion  Read the page http://bandcamp.com/pricing (http://bandcamp.com/pricing)  Everything is clear and understandable.  :)
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Ekstasis on November 18, 2013, 07:23:10 AM
Immersion  Read the page http://bandcamp.com/pricing (http://bandcamp.com/pricing)  Everything is clear and understandable.  :)

Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: drone on on November 18, 2013, 10:35:09 PM
I don't agree that a lot of artists don't have jobs.  Roach is one of the very few who earn a living doing this.  Others like R. Rich supplement their incomes with production or mastering jobs or designing synths. 
Title: Re: Bandcamp
Post by: Seren on November 20, 2013, 01:52:42 PM
Well I've literally just started putting music onto Bandcamp.

Soundcloud is good but very limited to the amount of music I could post at a time.

The discussion here finally helped me make the decision to do so.