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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Help?! My new Lexicon PCM 81
« on: July 12, 2012, 09:17:42 AM »
No worries Loren, I just thought it was funny.  I now have three Lexicons including the PCM 81.  I have a LXP-1 and a Reflex as well.  Love them all.  Thanks Loren,  I will have to look into the cards.  Mike, I do remember the Vortex.  I haven't had the pleasure of working with one, but David Helpling has one and seems to like it.  Like you said, not high end, but I know of very few units that morph from one effect to another!  I may have to look into the dedicated reverbs like the PCM 91.  I have been looking into the early high end units like the 224 and 480 as an option as well, but they are still expensive.  Thanks for all of the advice!  I will let you all know what I discover with this new unit.  Maybe I can help some people that have similar questions about the unit by posting my findings.  Thanks guys, take care!

John Marshall

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Help?! My new Lexicon PCM 81
« on: July 09, 2012, 08:26:58 PM »
Thanks Loren,
...and that's what happens when you don't know what you're talking about.  You get one of your favorite artists like Loren Nerell calling you out and embarrassing you in front of the whole forum! ;)  I knew that remark would come back to bite me in the a$$.  Thanks for the response!  Loved "Intangible" by the way!  And I was sorry to hear about Barry.

Thanks,
John Marshall

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Help?! My new Lexicon PCM 81
« on: July 09, 2012, 01:28:59 PM »
Thanks guys!  I guess you're right Mike, I may be asking for the impossible.  I just wanted to see if anyone could point me in the right direction, if they were already familiar with the unit.  One of the problems is that the presets are not blank presets, so they are already panned this way and that for example.  I think that the Dual-FX cards have blank presets, but I don't have one.  Like I told Seren, I guess I'll just have to hole-up and dig deep.  Thanks for the great advice and thank you to Seren, Mike and Julio for your responses!

Take Care,
John Marshall

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Help?! My new Lexicon PCM 81
« on: July 09, 2012, 10:14:50 AM »
Seren,
I had the same idea about the constant sound input to the device, great advice!  I have also heard of using two reverbs as well.  The reason that I had asked about these two artists in particular, is that I have been trying to "back engineer" their sound rather than emulate it.  I just want to know how they get the sound that they get with this specific unit, so that I can incorporate it into my own music.  As an example, Steve Roach had stated in an interview that he used the Lexicon PCM 70 to create his "soundscapes".  My PCM 81 is basically an update to the PCM 70.  Jeff Pearce told me that his album Summer Solstice was created using a Roland GP-100 into the PCM 81, of which I have both.  I guess I just need to take my setup to a remote cave somewhere and explore!  I will make sure to keep you updated!

Thanks Again,
John Marshall

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Help?! My new Lexicon PCM 81
« on: July 08, 2012, 11:06:07 PM »
Hey Seren,

Thanks for the response.  I do have a manual, but it's not much help.  I know how to use the unit, just not how to utilize it properly yet.  Although I appreciate the response, I need some advice from people who have experience using this unit for ambient music.  Like I've told others, I know how delay and other effects work, I am just not very fluent in how to apply them to this specific genre of music sometimes.  One good example is reverb.  Most of the time it is used to simulate a space and is used at the end of the effects chain.  It can also be used somewhere else in the chain to wash out or blur the sound before the next effect in the chain.  This "non-traditional" use of a common effect is an example of what I'm looking for.  You are correct though that artists use a multitude of effects (among other things) to achieve the desired effect.  I guess what I wanted from the forum was for someone to pop in and say, "Ooo, this algorithm sounds great if you tweak this setting", etc.  I WILL have to dig in and learn the unit in order to be fluent, but I'm finding myself having to look up terms like "allpass delays" and such, just to understand how the thing works.  It may be a lust for instant gratification, but I'm just getting frustrated having spent lots of money on something that I can't use.  Thanks again for the response, as I was very happy to see one at all after 3-4 days!

Take Care,
John Marshall

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Help?! My new Lexicon PCM 81
« on: July 05, 2012, 01:05:13 PM »
OK guys, I just purchased a used Lexicon PCM 81 about a month ago.  I've been trying to find some info on the net about what algorithms/settings/parameters to use for ambient music.  Not much luck as usual.  Here's what I have found so far...  The Concert Hall algorithm is great for ambient because of the modulated reverb, although I don't know much about tweaking it to get the sound that I'm looking for.  The Pitch algorithms are fairly obvious, although I need practice with using them.  The Resonant algorithms, I have NO clue how to use.  So basically I'm asking for tips and tricks for Concert Hall and the Pitch algorithms and pretty much a complete education for the Resonant algorithms.  If anyone has any personal knowledge or internet resources that they can point me to, it would be highly appreciated.  The sound that I'm trying to achieve is the Steve Roach sound for synth and the Jeff Pearce sound for guitar.  Have I overlooked any other algorithms that are useful for ambient?

Thanks,
John Marshall

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient Effects Tips
« on: March 28, 2011, 06:27:39 PM »
Been away from the computer for a couple of days, but I wanted to return to thank you all again for all of the advice.  During my absence from the forum, I had a chance to play with some of the ideas presented here at my friend's studio.  We used a simple string sound on the Korg X50 synth and ran it through the Korg AM8000R unit I referred to earlier.  We tried effects such as Stereo Modulation Delay, Stereo Chorus/Flanger, Ensemble, and Stereo Phaser into Hall Reverb.  The results were interesting.  This evening I'm going to start learning how to use the LFO's in some of my VST's.  I want to thank everyone for taking the time to respond to my query.  It's a good example of how eager those who enjoy this genre of music are to help one another.  It really means a lot to me.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient Effects Tips
« on: March 25, 2011, 04:46:13 PM »
I have the units, just not the expertise.  @mgriffin: I have a Korg AM8000R with all of the effects that you mentioned plus some.  I also have two Lexicon reverb units and a Roland GP-100.  Along with that I have a multitude of VST's that I have accumulated over the past few years.  Like I said, I know what the effects do, just not how to use them sometimes in the music I want to do.  For example, I know how to use delay, but not so much about how to use delay to "modulate" a pitch shifter/harmonizer.  This was suggested to me by Jeff Pearce when talking to him about ambient guitar work.  That kind of stuff is what I was referring to when I said that my imagination is lacking.  I would never have thought of that myself.  Maybe I am getting ahead of myself a bit, but the temptation for instant gratification is still strong.  As I said, I'm still learning and this forum has always been a big help, even before I joined.  Thanks for all of the great suggestions!

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient Effects Tips
« on: March 25, 2011, 02:58:21 PM »
My only problem is a lack of knowledge and imagination when it comes to effects.  I know what the different effects do, but not how and when to apply them sometimes.  Thanks for the advice!

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient Effects Tips
« on: March 24, 2011, 03:29:41 PM »
Thanks!  I'll try that and see what I come up with.  I'm still learning the basics.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Ambient Effects Tips
« on: March 23, 2011, 09:32:22 PM »
Anyone out there have any good suggestions on how to use LFO or something similar to get a "rolling" effect for synth?  Looking for something similar to the rolling pads on Steve Roach's work.  Also, what effects work best for this when combined with LFO's?  Until now, I have only worked with LFO's to control filters and such.  Any other advice on unusual effects for ambient music is also welcome.

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