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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 03, 2015, 03:32:29 AM »
I first saw the VS2480 in a second hand shop - I asked if it had had much attention. I was told that a lot of people had shown interest, but only about 3 of us seemed to know what we were doing with it.

I didn't sleep all night and was back to buy it first light next morning.......

If you think of it as a mixing desk, recording desk and multiple effects you get a sense of what it can do.

Like any of the good sized daws (24 - 32 tracks) it manages to put a whole studio into a small space....

It does a shed load of stuff I've never used - if you are wanting to bounce down from multiple tracks to stereo you can 'record' the mix you make in real time and play it back through the motorised faders.....

In the end the hard disc recorders are still computers - they are just designed and set up differently to the macs or pcs - designed as a development of the recording industry equipment, rather than an extension of the computer design into other areas....

The way things are going you will be able to do all this from a smart phone, camera, fridge, car etc. I do find the 'globalisation' of design a little depressing and hope the manufacturers keep this sort of equipment going long into the future, giving musicians real choice.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 02, 2015, 01:54:52 PM »
Hi Julio,

Yep, still no computer for recording the music. I do use it sometimes for some effects - I transfer music / sounds into the computer - tweak/slash/burn - then transfer back to the daw.

I also use the computer for storing the final recording (as well as on CD) and use it to burn to disc (as I can't store all my music on the daw and it is much quicker).

My computer is old (Windows XP) and a friend is looking at putting together a new one for me - hopefully with Toslink connection so I can transfer stuff more easily back and forth.

I first recorded on a Tascam cassette portastudio, and used an adapted reel to reel for tape loops.

I believe Gigi also tended to use his mixing desk to create music - feeding it into a recorder. If I ever get somewhere to live where I can set up a studio as I'd like it then I'd do something similar - as well as what I do now.

If you do get a hardware recorder it might be worth considering one which you can attach a screen to. My Roland VS2480 has one - it is basic, no waveform visible when recording unless looking at one track, but it does enable me to see where different sounds start and finish - which is better than the tiny screen most have as the basic specification.

I was looking at some of the new ones before typing this and many now have usb2 connection - which would make using a computer to assist (and possibly store project info - maybe no need to lose music at any stage of the project at all) much easier.

You might consider getting secondhand equipment. Most of mine is (I've had my korg D16 for 11 years and it was reviewed in SOS in 2000).

You might consider 2 pieces - (mine are the VS2480 and the D16). I use the larger Roland for the main recording (as it has CD burner) and the Korg I use for more mobile recording as well as feeding back and forth between them (through a chain of effects units) - as both are toslink the connection is easily made and I can keep the whole chain digital.

I can use the effects of both as well as the external units, in any order I like.

I also have 2 minidisc recorders - sometimes they are the final part of a chain including both daws - also toslink connection and both have variable speed controls - I can then use them to send the sounds back to the daws via the effects - it is for me a very flexible set up.

Hope this is helpful and keep us updated.

PS, useful daws have been made by Roland, Korg, Fostex and Yamaha - you can look them up on ebay.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: June 30, 2015, 02:25:47 PM »
Dirk Serries - The Origin Reversal + Disorientation Flow
These two albums, both released on Projekt, are similar in structure. Guitar looping, layering, and processing. Light atmospherics and truly beautiful stuff, but works best for me as background music. I must confess, I'm really excited by these new releases; I couldn't really connect with the music Dirk was releasing after 2004 or so. These recent releases hit the right spot for me.
Buy/Listen: https://projektrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-origin-reversal
Buy/Listen: https://projektrecords.bandcamp.com/album/disorientation-flow

and very nice they are too....


I have been listening to - As Lonely As Dave Bowman - Monolith
Second album following after 'Pod' and exploring the world of 2001. I'm enjoying it a lot, will need to wait to see if I prefer it to the first release

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I don't think CD necessarily matches the human ear, it all depends on the ear - when I worked for BT we used to use test tones and I could hear tones higher in pitch than my colleagues.

I'm also a bit dubious as to the ability of people/companies to decide which bits of a sound I don't need to hear.

Whether the time I spent in the motorhead bass bins affected that level of hearing......

There is also the way that notes, tones, sounds interact with each other - we can hear it when 2 instruments are slightly out of tune. I still think that tones and harmonies we can't hear affect the sounds we can in subtle ways - which change the overall texture and dynamics.

saying all that, a good sound system can always dig deep into the information on a CD and produce an amazing sound. I used to travel a little around the UK and would always take some CDs to a hi fi shop, pretend I'd just inherited some money and had 20,000 to spend - the listening was always stunning.

Whether we can hear everything or not - the more 'sound' on the disc, the more chance we have to hear it.

And if the companies can push it to sell it they will.

Final thought - Listening to a full orchestra kicks the hell out of listening to any disc. When the listening experience is as good as the live sound then we will be talking......or even a single charismatic voice....

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Good luck with the gig Martyn

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I don't usually bump stuff up like this but this is my first time my music is on a netlabel.

so well worth celebrating and bumping - congratlations 8)

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Definitely nothing wrong with short tracks.

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Had a listen and enjoyed.
I'd agree with Castleview - the tracks are very short - nothing wrong with that other than you have to get the whole of what you are trying to communicate across in a very short space of time. There is no need to stop doing this as it is an art in itself.

At the same time, if you start creating longer pieces as well you have more choices - to develop the musical content further, explore the ambient sounds further, develop the interplay between them further - all of which can lead into unexpected territories.

Was there a reason you chose to make the music in 3 different tracks rather than connect them in some way to make a single longer piece?

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: May 23, 2015, 10:29:04 AM »
 :o thought of buying this today - currently no albums by the ozrics in my collection - any suggestions where to start?

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:50:57 AM »
PS. what I'm actually doing is looking for somewhere to live where I can set the studio and music up properly so I can really relax and enjoy listening and recording music....

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:48:02 AM »
Great post Julio,

The headphones you have been listening to are seriious pieces of kit on their own. Great that the company lets you audition to compare in your own time and space.

About 6 months ago I was looking for a dedicated headphone amp and purchased one of these off ebay:


With multiple sources I have set up my CD player, VS2480 and a blu ray player (for Robert Rich's Perpetual and Somnium set).

The sound through my speakers improved so much I have hardly used my headphones since then and usually choose to turn on the CD player rather than the VS 2480 when I have spare time.
   It's a long time since I've been so excited by music that it's hard to play a complete album. Often what I'm listening to will remind me of something else and I'll have to put that on asap....

I'm hoping at some point soon to settle a bit and start recording again....

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: CD vs. CDR
« on: May 19, 2015, 03:04:25 PM »
yes, the old sticky labels can often cause such problems - I've been through my collection and listened to these older discs and ripped those
that still play to wav files.

There is software - exact audio copy is one version - that can sometimes pull the audio from such discs...though the success rate can vary.

otherwise you might email other people you know who might have the same disc and see if they might help....

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Altus: I've not had musical training, but occasionally meet musicians who know their instruments well enough that they are not bound by the rules, or who , when an unusual situation presents, can just immediately adapt.
   Many years ago I'd been staying with someone and there was a guitar, he was happy for me to fiddle with it - so I changed the tunings till I had a sound I liked.
   When he came home he picked it up, strummed once, paused for about 3 seconds and then proceeded to play a proper tune on it....
   That's a level of skill I admire in the same way I admire anyone who is really good at their craft - whatever it might be.

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I tend to use a mixture of the 2 across many areas music, ideas, art, sometimes I am reading something which inspires the music (project currently working on).

Sometimes I have a title and just wait until a sound or sounds fill the space the title created - one title waited about 4 years for the right sounds - and the sounds also triggered images from a book I read about 10 years ago.......before I had started recording again....which also affected the finished album.

Sometimes I have a specific idea of what I want to explore and then set out to do that - but that is more in context and sound gathering (such as the acoustic sounds for a particular set of albums). Then I listen to the different sounds to see what sort of interaction or communication they create.

I have 'composed' musical pieces, but not being able to write or read music it also tends to be a mixture of intent and chance (or perhaps success and mistakes)

I like the interplay of design and chance - I don't have a 'finished' article in my mind before I start and like the way some sounds dance past and around each other in a way I could not have planned and often cannot improve on.

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Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: Now watching...
« on: April 27, 2015, 12:53:45 PM »
Predestination - based on a Heinlein story.
a bit like Looper but I found it more interesting - less flash and bang, more character development and interaction.
I will watch it again.

I did and I still liked it - may set up my own time loop of comments.

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Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: Now Reading, pt 2
« on: April 27, 2015, 12:52:39 PM »
I have ben reading and re-reading the first few culture novels by Iain M Banks - also got the Hydrogen Sonata.

I really like these - curious and complex, interesting twists and concepts.....

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Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: "Mythos and Music"
« on: April 25, 2015, 09:43:50 AM »
> I wondered if anybody had any suggestions about what might be covered in a discussion like this?

APK's reference to Davies is a good one because, although some of the themes, titles, and whatnot are Lovecraftian, the music doesn't always strike me as dark per se. I sometimes wonder if it is too easy to play into the dark side of Lovecraft when making music rather than emphasizing the mystery or the sense of other-worldliness. 

Here is something I like that is clearly inspired by Lovecraft, but not sinister or overly dark in its atmosphere--one of my favorites from 2013: The Ashes of Piemonte - Datura Notes https://twicerememberedtwiceremoved.bandcamp.com/album/datura-notes


Hi Chris - your post was a little small

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich - Filaments
« on: April 21, 2015, 01:06:20 AM »
My favourite band as a youngster was Hawkwind - I followed tem for a number of years going to gigs etc.

Towards the beginning of this an 'old hippy' said to me that I'd follow them for about 5 years and then they would change too much for me....At the time I suspect I responded in a rather desultory fashion - such a thing was impossibble to imagine.

However he was right. I remember encouraging a bunch of people to go and see levitation tour - and I found the new sound (endless guitar solos much higher in the mix and a new drummer) very dissapointing....

So I think in the end the musicians have to follow thier muses and the fans have to follow their ears and hearts - hopefully these journeys, whilst bringing shared pleasure, are of benefit to both....

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 16, 2015, 05:11:29 AM »

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