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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 03:47:22 PM »
I am talking about a symbiotic relationship with the gear and human expression.  The essence "the sound" is created in electronic music in most cases by oscillators which then goes thru filters thru a longer signal chain.  The pure sound output is created by the electronics, the arist control the electronics to make it sound like he want...   The electronic is creating the "substance" while the human interacting with the electronics is creating the form... different  oscillators  and filters will produce a different substance and create a different essence.


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on ebay - 92 inc P+P.

Cable 21.60 :
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/profigold-oxya5601.html


Nice Price...Wonder how it compare with the JDS... which seem to get more praise on head fi.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:51:54 AM »
@Pete: Im really sorry that the usual suspects once more destroy a thread because they cant cope with an opinion Ive shared! (but OK we know this already)

Quote from: Ekstasis
 

...music which is essence is produced by the gear itself




I have read a lot of opinions in my life, but that is definitely one for my top 3!

You need to read again, In your hurry you did maybe miss that the point was made towards "electronic music"  and abstract sound worlds to be exakt, and not more "melody oriented" music where music is produced more by humans the electronic equipment. So what are you are saying here in "electronic" music the music is not created by electronic equipment ? I had no idea you can create electronic music without electricity or electronic equipment.. maybe I have missed something ?
In ambient music the reverb processor is what is creating a lot of the essence, I should not need to really tell you such fundamental things.
But I know for sure that with your ableton live and your magic toolbox you can create any reverb processors sound with one click no reason for gear.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:05:19 AM »

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 10:53:51 AM »
Okay, Mister Fabric (or whatever your name is this week)

I see that you are very opinionated and very keen to tell people all about your opinions.
I'II be blunt, from what I've seen of your opinions on ambient music, I'm not interested in them.

You've released nothing and yet you preach to people who have and your fixation with gear is really
tiresome. Of course I know gear is important, but to a much lesser degree than you think, you have to
learn technique and practices, which are transferable whatever gear you use. I can play any half
decent guitar, it doesn't have to be a Les Paul Black Beauty. 

I am however interested to hear that you are a graphic artist, care to post a link to your work ?

Also, re-read the original post and don't resort to swearing, we're grown-ups here.

I have seen some work from cosmic fabric art, and there is no doubt about it, his skill is very professional he have a real talent for sure..I was impressed.. (does his opinion hold more weight more now ? *sigh*)

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 10:51:52 AM »
It's very little to do with equipment, studios or whatever - it's the desire for self expression, that is paramount.

Man, why don't you mix then with some desktop pc speakers and the built in soundcard in your pc?

It has to do with the quality of the gear too
, or you might have trouble delivering the best sound to your public. That's why pro gear exists so you have access to tools way above the average consumer equipment. For me creativity is something spontaneous and accessible, that's why I love a lot of knobs and keys in front of me.

Yeah Kitaro made amazing tracks and he created polyphony by painfully recording over and over again to tape his mono synths. But do you want to go again to those times, do you want the technical part to be 98% and the rest the creative part?

I'm a Computer graphics artist, and a 1500 euros monitor is not enough to see if all my colors are correct, I still have to check my work in 3 or 4 monitors to make an average. And I'm not talking about particular colors, but a general feeling that is lost just by viewing your work in another screen. If your 150 euros monitor shows black as gray, that simple detail affects all the colors.

If my graphics card has very little VRAM I can't work with 4k textures and I have to work in little parts losing the work as a whole.

If all my work depends on a 150 euros TFT monitor I would be fucked, plain and simple, no matter how creative I am.

My answer to this thread is simple, deep inside you want all that pro gear, but because some of you can't make a living based in your unsuccessful work, you dig these quotes from famous people.

The conclusion is whatever gear you are using will produce a certain output, this output is what your senses are working with which itself will affect your artistic decisions in an conscious or non-concious way.,  I think it is mostly people with more budget oriented gear that have a very strong need for defence and to point out that high end end gear will not affect your artistic decisions or quality, for me the gear has an symbiotic relationship with the artist, what ever gear we are using will affect our senses and artistic decisions, depending on artistic context.. in some other music style the real focus is more about song writing and melody rather the creating abstract sound worlds which mostly is the musical context which is being discussed here. I think the statements from the "budget" camp and that the gear is not symbiosis with the artist and the expression is absurd, it feels more like an excuse to not buy better gear,  but whatever makes the work done and you have 100% satisfaction there is really no need for more expensive gear.. you as the artists yourself has to make these decision what is important for you. 

I think what cosmic fabcric is saying is all reasonable, and especially when we are talking about abstract soundworlds "music" like this, music  which is essence is produced by the gear itself, certain color of certain gear could therefor give a certain "soul" which can't really be recrated with another gear..some gear have such unique sound signature that there is really no shortcuts around it, you can get close though..it all depends on how close to "perfection" you want to become.

Tomas opinion is that all gear sound the same , all EQs sound the same, all effects and compressors sound the same, gear does not matter in the hands of a true "master"  like thoma$ cause whetever gear he want to replicate he just need to open a window in his ableton live.  Respect goes both ways around,  I respect other artits gear, whatever you are satisfied with but there is really no need to piss on other peoples gear, and tell people that you have wasted money to buy good gear, in is childish and just a sign of jealously if not..

As an artist it is probably not a good idea to visit this forum, I can't really say it is an inspiring environment, when there is people like thoma$ who are going to make fun of people who have better gear then himself, it is just not an inspiring envoirment to be in really, sometimes I wonder what I am doing here really ?  but again if there was a way to hide thoma$ posts from this forum it would have at a totally different vibe, his arrogant macho style, laughing in people faces,  totally humiliating people but in an non-direct way to avoid himself to get banned, I wish he had to balls to really say his personal attacks in a more direct and non cryptic way, , but to me either way is as worse.. but if he did he would just get warning from the mods just like cosmic fabcric.. but as a artist I really wonder why I should be here, this non respect for other peoples gear and decision is not acceptable to me.. and people get ridiculed for buying professional equipment, but if you have not released and album you are not allowed to have good equipment since only established are allowed to own expensive equipment but not "upcoming" artists in there beginning of the career, the truth to be told here is as a new upcoming artists, it is harder to get your voice heard in this ocean of already existing music it was easier before, now new and upcoming artists have to wait a lot longer to release music if you want something that will take a certain genre further.

Also this talk "you have not released anything so there for your opinion" is worthless.. it is not really an inspiring environment for an upcoming artist to meet such comments,  even if you have not released an album you might have tons of years of experience within creating sounds and music.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 12, 2014, 03:30:24 AM »
Of course Mike's music is great, to me that is obvious, he's one of my top artists. The question here is about visuals on ambient music and how that affects a track perception.

for me personally the best ambient does not need an visuals added.  For me it destroys music in most cases and is mostly a "distraction" which does not mirror my own mind and inner visuals.  Some labels use beautiful visuals to give more substance into the music for commercials purposes, but when you then listen the music at home alone without youtube visuals it is not as interesting anymore.

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what is the price for it ?

I am in the process of buying a new budget headphone amp/dac.

My result of my reserach did lead to JDS o2/odac combo.
epiphany-acoustics have the exact same internal design with a different aesthetic
for EU users.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Alesis Andromeda A6 FS
« on: September 12, 2014, 03:09:12 AM »
does the A6 have any kind of unofficial software editor controlled with midi? from what I have heard
it is kind of pain in the ass to program

Yes as we all know it's much easier to program a synth that has something like 70 knobs and just as many buttons with a large LCD screen on a computer with only a mouse.   ;D ;)

If the interview have better overview, less sub menus and less multi function buttons etc a software interface to get a good overview would be desirable for sure..  That small LCD display you probably need big glasses to see the text.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Alesis Andromeda A6 FS
« on: September 12, 2014, 03:07:34 AM »
does the A6 have any kind of unofficial software editor controlled with midi? from what I have heard
it is kind of pain in the ass to program


Yes as we all know it's much easier to program a synth that has something like 70 knobs and just as many buttons with a large LCD screen on a computer with only a mouse.   ;D ;)


Hahahaha

Oh yes indeed, those 70 knobs are just a pain in the ass.the designer of the A6 is obviously a complete idiot  ;D

But thanks god there is at last an "official hope" for Ekstasis to cope with this huge hardware problem:

www.midiquest.com


You can never have too many knobs, it is good for real time modulation expressions. But to program the Andromeda is painful as far as I know, to many multi function button and sub menus, to have a software interface to get a better overview would had been desireable.

The designer of the A6 was obviously not a complete idiot since he have manage to create one of the most unique sounding synth ever...but it has its compromises for sure.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:36:01 PM »
just to add..I did not imply about mikes music or video in my post... in fact I am on wifi right now at work so I have not had the chance to play the video in the first post...

I just think the audio visual..is an category on it is on with a few exceptions ass the Lynn dvd I did mention...

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Everything and Nothing / Re: TIDAL - Lossless audio streaming service
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:32:51 PM »
I like lossless, but I refuse to play the music through the web browser I want to use my sound player ulilith. I have tried most of them this player is without doubt the bets sonic sound quality I refuse to listen to music in any other way. Lossless is really only "lossless" for me with ulilith..

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Jokes, Nonsense and Amusing Links / Re: Iphone 6 users welcome to 2012
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:29:27 PM »
That's pretty funny.

(But I'm still looking forward to getting an iPhone 6.  ;) )

of course you are :)

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Jokes, Nonsense and Amusing Links / Iphone 6 users welcome to 2012
« on: September 10, 2014, 02:58:59 PM »
  :)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Alesis Andromeda A6 FS
« on: September 10, 2014, 02:30:24 PM »
does the A6 have any kind of unofficial software editor controlled with midi? from what I have heard
it is kind of pain in the ass to program.. but yeah...very distinctive sound..something I can't do with software synths for sure... I need enormous amount of processing to get similar character...

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Just giving this a quick listen at work - enjoying it. Will try to burn to CD and giver it more attention later.

Thank you for your motivating feedback! Hope you like it. If I had the midi saved I would probably remove some of the percussive sounds in the first minute but it is "ok" .. I should be better to save midi files... I never do.for some reason..I guess I do with stuff I have spend more times with but almost all my recordings are just live recordings..

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 10, 2014, 02:23:27 PM »
I am little bit against adding visuals to ambient music... it will change the way you perceive the music it will also fill in possible "void" that maybe the music is lacking.. in some cases the music is not good on its on but with added visuals it gets more stimulating.. I still think ambient music should be percived with headphones on in bed at night..with no external stimuli....

There is few exceptions ... http://www.cobaltsun.net/dvds/index.html
This visuals I think is in perfect harmony with the music on the "brain wave" level.. I have never tried a viritual headset myself..samsung just released a VR set for their Galaxy note 4... I am pretty sure this dvd would immersie my mind totally with a the VR headset would be interesting to experience...

But in most cases on youtube there is just majestic visuals added to mediocre music to add a 3rd dimension to enhance the music. But you will just notice the lack of substance in the music with the visuals are turned off.. in my opinion it is just a cheap trick to trick our minds... I think a of commercial labels without mention names use visuals to in advertising purpose to make the music more intersting then what it really is.. where the visuals gives substance to the music.. the ambient music experience should be a reflection of your on mind and let your own mind create the inner pictures.atleast for me this is what gives ambient music any substance at all...the essence in the music is where the music takes my mind...  Adding visuals in youtube videos does rearly reflect what the pictures my mind is creating...it might gives me wrong atmosphere and colors.. it gives me on wrong track..
I think the artist should be careful with adding visuals and select artwork carefully..  a lot of ambient artists have majestic and professional photographs on the cd cover, but does not reflect the music, feels in many cases it is just there to give the album "attention"..

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / ambient 15 (from 2012)
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:25:37 PM »
Recorded totally live and improvised..  emotional and reflecting back on life standing the side of the ocean on a grey/blue day reflecting back on life...

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/87gi9n8y24/15.mp3

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Going through som old folders..found this.. Ambient from 2012, totally recorded live and improvised.. in two parts but they could have been one together.

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/uw7ngqfinp/68.mp3

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/gmeo72ldr8/67.mp3


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The link has been uploaded again to a more "permanent" storage which wont expire within 30 days.

Any collaboration offers is welcome.. to make this more asianova/ure thrall/voice of eye style..thank you..

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