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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: April 01, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
I'm going to invest in a RME ufx, drivers seem more reliable, usb recording, more solid construction.

RME UFX is a solid solution, as you mention they have very solid drivers the best in the world. But regarding Performance Antelope will win big time.  RME is not known for their converters mainly their drivers, I think it also depend on are you aiming to use extremely low latency settings ? then you would for sure want RME drivers.
Regarding Performance, Antelope has their own special designed USB chip not a third party chip which take full advantage of the bandwidth. Regarding latency as usual with USB interfaces they are little bit optimistic since usually you are starting to get missounds or dropouts with lower latency settings.

If you want low latency in fact I would not recommend USB at all, you could get best of both worlds if you invest in a  RME RAYdat PCIe card for get a fast connection with your Zen studio.

Regarding specs of Antelope Zen studio, it seem a lot of missinformation has been floating around before the release, in fact the box is still under development so final specs are yet not known. It will most likely not have a relay stepped monitor controller as said before, antelope have confirmed the clock is based on trinity clock not the OCX clock as said earlier... If it did have 70 relays like Eclipse then it would be crazy..

How volume control works on Zodiac DACs

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 10:13:08 AM »
I stand by what I said about Paypal - they take a cut from everyone, all those ebay sales - everything. They are rolling in it.

Yeah paypal is almost unusable if you ask me. it is ok as a buyer for small sums.. but not for bigger sums then the fee rate gets absurd. As a cd seller on Ebay the paypal fee takes away all profit margins whick makes it almost meaningless .  I do not even understand why everyone use paypal anymore when there is so many similiar services but with better rates..I wish more did boycott it.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:17:02 AM »
Audio quality is far from stellar on YouTube, but for the purposes of sampling or discovering music, it's certainly good enough.

I don't agree that sites like PayPal and Bandcamp are greedy for taking a cut. They're businesses. They have overhead costs and staff that need to be paid. This money has to come from somewhere.

Regarding Bandcamp, their pricing structure is very fair. By the way, they only take 10%, which is ridiculously low.

Last time I checked it was 30% I guess.. it is lower now then good..10% is humane.. but payal takes probably another 10% .. I did read paypal is going to have extra high fee for music album sales also..  Paypal are greedy.
They must become very rich I really wonder what they do with all that money.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:15:00 AM »
Yeah, Youtube's audio quality is very poor, but I think that it shows that we live in an increasingly visually orientated culture, where people (the majority of ?) prefer to listen to music with a visual element.

You are right about that! I must say I dislike since it is a cheap trick to fill essence into the music.. the music should create the pictures inside for you.. that should be enough..  Many times I have found certain music or songs been boring but with a visual element they become interesting..  Record labels are using this cheap trick to promote new music..

If you have plans to make a living of your music you should probably be wise and choose a genre that attracts a wider mass.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 07:25:55 AM »
Youtube does not offer anywhere near cd quality so if you ask me you are not hearing the "full product"
If you upload uncompressed audio the sound is more acceptable though but the big majority of uploads are double compressed.
Me as an artist would probably mostly dislike the audio quality since they are not hearing the real product just some over compressed version of it.
And especially for ambient it is impoartant.

Youtube  great resource to find and explore new music... a very big percent is copy righted material on youtube or internet in general
People do copy these days just like people did copy music with cassette tapes I jut think it is a reality that we just have live by despite if you see it as an opportunity or catastrophe. Streaming services like Google Music and Spotify is not much better for the artist then having their music on youtube, only artist who sell very big quantities can make the money niche music like ambient could never substancial money on spotify or Google Music cause the provision you get from each listen is too microscopic.. it is not really the solution either and is probably as bad as piriting if you ask me the money gets in the wrong pockets and the consumers are throwing money into the sea. Bandcamps concept I find most appealing that I can choose the price myself, but I would prefer to donate directely, bandcamp takes 30% of the cash, which is greedy, if I donate with paypal the fees are quite high too.. I wish there was better ways to buy music without middle hands taking the money. Also Bandcamp and other site I think use paypal to send money to their artist, then paypal also takes a fee for the artist to receive the money so.. gets in wrong pockets all the time...which I do not like when I spend my hard earned money.

Regarding Google music, which was recently released, I am not sure how greedy they are, if they are more or less greedy then spotify.
If I would pay for a streaming service I know the money does not come the artist it is mostly to pay for the bandwidth I use for the service.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Insomnia treatments
« on: March 29, 2014, 06:25:15 AM »
using environmental as you explain is probably better, but you can start of with some ambient in the beginning and then move over the more steady environmental sounds.  Me myself has only been able to fall a sleep one time with music... and that was with the album Asianova - Suite Dreams ‎ (

Everything and Nothing / Re: Insomnia treatments
« on: March 28, 2014, 04:09:19 PM »
to take sleeping pills is very addictive.. and not good in long term, it solves the symptom but not the cause.

Yes the things mgriffin says  about gradually slowing down is important but which also is hard with a day without with not enough hours (of free time) to make all things done. To drink alcohol will not make you sleep easier according to research.  Also avoid eating or drinking anything atleast 1-2 hour before bed.

I think the best is to try to control your own mind as best as you can.. to fall into the land of dreams which will make you fall a sleep require some mental "focus" and effort... however, it does not work if you try to hard if you just think "fall a sleep now fall a sleep now"... I try to focus and meditate, try to play my own inner "films" in my head..which is a mix of memory and imagination, some ambient music really helps slow down your mind a lot faster then anything for me.. it sucks you down and lower your beat rate and slows down your thoughts gradually until you finally fall a sleep...

If you have a tv in your can help to watch some film or series that is kind of slow and not "very interesting" it will make you tired and unstimulated .

Physical work out will help you fall a sleep easier since you will be more exhausted "After a long day"  lack of activity both mental and physical  could make you have too much energy to slow down during the night..

I have been struggling myself all life, cause usually I never get tired during night time I have to force my bed to night.. it is nothing I yean for to lay alone with my thoughts.. However when  I wake up in the morning or in the day I really enjoy sleeping.. and not go up from bed.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 28, 2014, 09:15:09 AM »

One thing good about having the Zen studio at the desk is easy and fast access to the volume knob.
I think it is important to have fast access if you get very loud volumes in your DAW by misstake for instance..

I have a Presonus central station for that in the studio. Live I use a mixer so it wouldn't be a big sales point for me.

If you do not use the Monitor controller I think the price value of the product drops a lot you ask me...
if you do not use the monitor controller maybe it is better to buy another product.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Insomnia treatments
« on: March 28, 2014, 09:08:43 AM »
I think it is wise to stay away from the drugs..

Why you can't sleep I think is mostly a mental problem, that you fail to relax your mind. I am suffering from the same problems myself.
I have found that a "sleeping mask" makes a big improvement..  some ambient music with headphones in bad can act like an sleeping pill, it basically puts you in an meditating state of mind... you want to control your thoughts think as abstract and dream like as possible you more of the thoughts that is focused to your in real life I think it will be harder to fall a sleep.  I wish I had a simple on and off some people have..
It sucks to go to bed in time but you go to work with only 4 hours sleep.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 25, 2014, 01:35:48 PM »
That might work if you could get the handle off and dont mind not having access to the Adat on the side....I feel it is really a questionable design philosophy. How big is the mobile market? Rack it and their sales could / will double, triple etc.

With their current products I would of thought they could give Prism, Metric Halo, and UAD's Apollo some serious competition instead of coming out with this brilliant but not very practical concept for most.

Perhaps consider this....

Audient ASP880 - Feature Roundup

iD22 - Feature Roundup

P.S.....these guys build some very nice large format console....perhaps not as star studded as Solid State Logic but nevertheless....

It seem to be a trend in the last years with more non-19 inch format interfaces...
Personally I prefer rack looks more better and is space effective...looks more robust.

One thing good about having the Zen studio at the desk is easy and fast access to the volume knob.
I think it is important to have fast access if you get very loud volumes in your DAW by misstake for instance..
If you are fast with your keyboard you can get fast access to volume in the software control panel to..
I find personally myself with my Antelope Eclipse I always use the software to control the volume,  I plan to soon move the Eclipse
on the bottom floor on my rack  to get little bit closer to the volume knob maybe I will use it more then..

But still yeah most people seem to complain about the non rack mount compatibility... they should have released a rack kit..
One reason they might not want to release it as rack is because of the very low price, they know people are ready to pay extra for the same product but in 19 inch format.. they probably think we should not "get it all" for such low price..they probably release an rack version later..

I would vote against the Audient, I think Antelope is higher level stuff, it is a non brainer if you ask me... for this price there is no competition.. the headphone amp is awesome too..  my only real big complaint is that he have no AES connection just like Orion.

Prism Titan, will in a firmware upgrade make it an Ethernet port interface, maybe that is the future for low latency audio..I am very eager to see how it  will work... I know SSL use it for some of the devices with some drawbacks..for instance you have no internet access while you are using their SSL Ethernet drivers.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 25, 2014, 01:23:46 PM »
Maybe you can detach the handle and use something like this:

If you have it in the middle you can have it like this, you can buy a silver plate to put on the left so there is no empty room, which willl look a lot better..And also have something at the back so it will stay in position and do not move when you unplug/plugin cables or move the knob.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 24, 2014, 02:36:51 PM »
yeah..well I hope they relase some kind of rack kit... otherwise if you really want it racked..there is always ways to do your own solutions if you really want it racked.. nothing is just need to be little bit creative.. but it seem almost no one like the goofy handle at the side...
it is not like you are going to go on long walks carry it around all is just silly and looks goofy if you ask me..

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 23, 2014, 03:50:11 PM »
As an eclipse user I can't really say I was very happen when I saw the Zen and also the price, it seems to me that they are giving away a lot of their technology very cheap in this box. Of course it is good for all others though.

Shit, you paid 5k for the eclipse box... I would be pissed  :D

I guess that is the American price, as usual it is more expensive in EU for niche products,
I paid about 5400 Dollars but the new price in sweden is 8865 dollars, so I still got a very good deal because of the Black Friday sale.
about 40% discount, so I could simply not resist that price, otherwise I have probably have bought some of the PRISM devices.

Yes of course I am not very happy that they start giving away their technology so much cheaper.
But Eclipse is still their flagship and best sounding interface according to themselves.

but yeah Zen audio seem to have an extreme good value which crushes the competition in the budget market.

thanks for the advices..I will check them out.

yes I have heard them of course...maybe Gent is their best albums overall I do not know.. but I remember one of the songs was the best I have heard...  it was called "GENT 4" of the best sequencers ever in that song.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 22, 2014, 06:27:14 AM »
I think it is an amazing value for the price.
I am an Antelope Eclipse user, and the Zen have borrowed a lot of the technology from the Eclipse.
The same monitor controller, and the same Headphone amp,  the Eclipse is based on the Trinity Clock
while the Zen is based on the older OCX clock.

Yeah very aggressive pricing. Would be interesting to see how it compare with Prism  Titan which is a similar product.

As an eclipse user I can't really say I was very happen when I saw the Zen and also the price, it seems to me that they are giving away a lot of their technology very cheap in this box. Of course it is good for all others though. 

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Schmidt Synthesizer
« on: March 19, 2014, 09:02:08 AM »
WNAMM13:Here Comes The Schmidt Polysynth - Video

Wow.....the first video I watched did not do that much for me, but once I understood the story in this video it really is an achievement. He continued where the Oberheim Matrix 12 stopped.  @ $30k its beyond most but I recall the New England Digital Synclaviar was about $50,000 in 1984 depending on the model.

The obie /moog sounds are very good but from a few reclusive patches I heard this really excels at the experimental.  I suppose you could say that is the same as the Matrix 12, great at bread & butter analog but really spreads its wings with serious modulation which is what its all about.

Thanks Immersion

From what I  understand the synth is not released on the market yet, the Schmidt  synthesier will be released this summer, only 3 Schmidt's exist today, so I expect with time the price will drop once they get the production running... if the price is right it will take over the world for sure...

this synth have 175 knobs!

I have come to the conclusion most of the ambient music I like most have e-bowed guitars...
Feel free to recommend me albums with a lot of e-bow..


I can really recommend these two albums, they are among my favourite ambient albums. Both are mesmerizing 5 star albums.
Psychedelic ambient music.

A few mp3 samples can be streamed and downloaded here!!!

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