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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: August 17, 2015, 10:35:03 PM »
Zoviet France - Just An Illusion (a great tribal ambient release I wish I had picked up sooner)


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« on: August 17, 2015, 09:09:23 AM »
I think live performance can actually be less interesting to listen to than a recording for really detailed ambient music, unless the sound system is pretty spectacular, like the one Hearts of Space used for its Ambicon Festival.  I'd rather hear the layers of detail through headphones, rather than take the chance that I've stood in the right place to hear the full intended balance of sounds generated live.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« on: August 16, 2015, 10:25:52 AM »
I'm not really an audiophile guy myself, but I did notice a huge improvement in sound when I upgraded my stereo amplifier from a basic Technics model to a used Rotel one.  Much quieter, smoother sound, and better overall staging through phones.  When I was a teenager, I used to listen to my parents' Fisher tube amp, which sounded very warm and present, especially on orchestral recordings.


Hi Loren,

Richard Lainhart did some wonderful work with Kyma.  I think his Threshold piece had some Kyma transformations of New York street sounds and he's also processed lap steel guitar through it:


Nice review, Richard.  I was pleased that the pressing was very quiet (unlike my VOD pressing of the Hafler Trio, which is very noisy).  That sequencer piece on the release from the beginning of the original cassette version of "Inner Landscapes" is a favorite of mine.


Sounds like quite a marathon.  Best of luck with it!  Maybe you could bring back some cool environmental recordings to use on a future album project.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 28, 2015, 06:39:31 PM »
Been playing:

Arovane -- Atol Scrap, Lilies, Icol Diston. These are fine things.

Checked on Bandcamp :

Good time to check out the early releaes if you don't already have them ... euro is not always this low !   8)

Thanks for the link.  Didn't know he had a new one out.  His Tides release is a long-time favorite and his 2013 album Ve Palor is pretty good, too.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dieter Moebius passes
« on: July 26, 2015, 10:15:48 AM »
Oh, no.  That's really sad.  I was listening to one of his solo releases the other day.  Was he ill or was it sudden?

I still have my original vinyl of ZF's "Mohnomishe," though I haven't played it in a while.  Would be nice to see some of their more obscure releases (like "Assault and Mirage") come back into print.


Is this a case of artists / labels trying to 'add value' to their releases in an increasingly digital world ? If so, I think that's cool, but it goes without saying that the music should be able to 'speak for it itself', primarily.

I was thinking of small labels that seem to have built their following on elaborate packaging, like Fluid Audio.  I guess you could make the argument about the proliferation of expanded editions generally, but I think that has more to do with labels trying to find a formula that keeps them afloat in the era of streaming.

I find myself buying stuff for the limited edition aspect rather than the music.  Which is pretty dumb.

Yeah, I'm guilty of that, too.

A year or two ago, I thought it was cool that a number of microlabels like Fluid Audio and Time Released Audio were releasing their music in elaborate handmade packages with maps and other unusual ephemera.  Now I'm beginning to wonder if the underlying music has become too incidental to the releases themselves.  Over time I've become less enthusiastic about the music, while the packaging has become increasingly elaborate.  Should I be really be jumping at the opportunity to buy a release that comes with flea market photos and fragments of old maps that come in glassine bags that are more appropriate for stamp collecting?


Your work is brilliants, I shall read your book.

Peace and love.  Chill.  We play electronic chill music.

It would be terrible if we do not understand this. Because I think it's very important in everyday life.

Turing test fail.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Forrest Fang news
« on: July 19, 2015, 07:54:26 PM »
I like what I'm hearing on soundcloud and the title suits the music well.

Thanks, Scott.  The final mix of the Lumin segment is part of a longer suite I've been working on over the past few months.  The project's been coming along nicely so far.  There's a bit in there of the Wavestation SR I picked from Loren many moons ago, among other things.


Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Forrest Fang news
« on: July 15, 2015, 05:03:48 PM »

John Diliberto's interview of me for Echoes can now be streamed or downloaded from its website:

I've also posted to Soundcloud a teaser from my recent work on a new album:

Hope you enjoy (and feel free to say hello),


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 02, 2015, 07:29:03 PM »

Forrest do you use your mixer and FX just as a front end to the daw and mix in the daw or do you come back out and use the mixer to mix, so to speak.  Im using the old school model as best I know it where the tracks were laid down through the desk to tape, they were then pulled up across the console and "mixed" and then sent to 2 track tape ready for mastering.  Im curious as the lore of AD conversion stands its best not to convert back to analog once in the box.

Hi Julio,

I generally use the analog mixer at the front end to "wet" the signal while playing live before sending it into the DAW.  I then add some plugins to alter the signal before adjusting the volume within each channel and rendering it to a stereo mix within the DAW.  I prefer shaping my own "automated" mixing curves within the DAW over live mixing, because I can spend more time on individual subsections of a piece without having to remix the whole piece.

The only exception I've made to this approach is that when I record as Sans Serif, I often start with digital files that have already been processed or edited, then feed that into the analog mixer using outboard effects, with the results mostly being recorded in analog into a DAT in real-time.  I think that because of this, many of the Sans Serif pieces have more an improvisational flavor to them.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 01, 2015, 02:11:15 PM »
I used to use a friends ADAT and Mackie (1604?) mixer set-up years ago with various Lexicon and Drawmer units. I have to say, I wouldn't fancy returning to that now !
Moving away from the computer is definitely something I'd like to do more of, though.

I agree, it's not for everyone.  Processing, though, is a large part of my current sound and some the effects I can get through my analog mixer just don't sound the same via a computer.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 01, 2015, 07:48:16 AM »

I used to record on an TEAC open reel in 80s through a small mixer and it was a real pain to use, though that alone gave me a focus when I got around to recording.  These days, I use a Mackie mixer with additional outboard effects before going into my laptop to record.  It adds an element of noise, I know, but I find it more interesting to use options from both worlds and combine them.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: June 30, 2015, 09:20:47 PM »
Hi Julio,

Maybe you weren't thinking in these terms, but what about going analog with an open reel recorder or maybe a standalone hardware recorder?  I only resorted to using a laptop to record after my hardware recorder literally burnt out.  Since then, I've gotten used to the flexibility plug-ins offer for processing, so it would be difficult for me to go back.


Everything and Nothing / Re: RIP Chris Squire
« on: June 29, 2015, 01:15:08 PM »
Yes, the unmistakable bass on "Close To The Edge" and "Starship Trooper."  Can't beat that.  A true giant and groundbreaker--prog will never be the same.


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