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Sam just posted these MP3s clips of my upcoming "Phantoms" CD to the Projekt website:

http://www.projekt.com/projekt/product.asp?sku=PRO00230

The CD will be available around mid-July.

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 22, 2009, 04:43:07 PM »
I think reading the comments is here is making my head spin...We do currently have taxation with representation (gripes from the right notwithstanding), so I'm not sure I'd put that it in the same category as the decision of an individual to copy or upload his CD for his friends without the consent of either the artist or the record label.  I think the notion that "if is on the internet, it must be free" is what is causing newspapers and other traditional media to go out of business, or at the very least, be starved for cash.  If I read a story on the Washington Post or Wall Street Journal website that is subscription only, I don't the legal right to copy that text for someone else to read, any more than I would have the right to convert a Kindle novel into a text file and post it on the internet.  Even a recipe is not necessarily free if it comes from a subscription-only website.  I don't think anyone is taking the position that playing a CD for your friends or including music on a mixtape or podcast is piracy.  Making a copy of a entire CD freely available in digital form to be enjoyed on another person's iPod or to be burned to CDR, though, is a different kettle of fish.

I agree that the discussion should gradually move towards trying to develop a sustainable model.  Clearly, what has been in place has not been working.  One thing I plan to try as an experiment is to make freely available a standalone track created from raw elements of my upcoming CD as a form of promotion.  I thought that what rock musician Jill Sobule did with her last CD project was kind of cool; she had enough of a fan base that she was able raise money from her fans to record and press her CD.

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 22, 2009, 12:52:54 AM »
I'm wondering how many people who say "taking something from me that I did not freely give to you is stealing" also disapprove of the income tax?   ;D 
Oh wait that's right... that tax money just goes back to help the poor people of society... right. 

Sorry Judd, not really following you on this one.  The analogy I would make is the person who sneaks into a concert that others paid for.  The logical extension of your argument would be that that's OK, too.  But why stop there?  Why not sneak onto a flight that others paid for?  No harm, no foul?  Sounds like way too much relativism for me.

Another thing.  At various times, we pay for services that may be intangible, like medical advice.  It has value, though not a physical form.

Forrest

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 21, 2009, 09:38:09 PM »
Thanks for that, Alan. And the sample sounded GOOD. 8)

Yep, you can't too wrong with Wright (sorry, couldn't resist).  Wright's not as prolific as Fabio Orsi, so collecting him shouldn't break the bank (though you might have trouble locating some of his earlier OOP releases).  I have two soundscape CDRs Wright recorded under charming name of "Polio" that are also pretty good.

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Ancient Gugin Music
« on: April 21, 2009, 09:33:32 PM »
Just discovered a new Guqin record that I am very eager to acquire. Check out the samples, it's beautiful.
http://cdbaby.com/cd/chenggongliang

Sounds nice, Joseph.  If you pick it up, let me know what you think of it.  I might have to check it out, too.

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 21, 2009, 09:31:27 PM »
I, too, have a fondness for vinyl and cassette, though I have to admit it's much more pleasant experience listening to Klaus Schulze and Eno on CD, as opposed to vinyl.  No more snaps, crackles and pops.

I think the decline of the CD has more to do with the fact that you can't really compete with "free."

Forrest

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 20, 2009, 10:14:25 PM »
Seht- A Green Morning; Very Minimal. Lo-fi and foggy drones, with clicky/glitchy high-pitched sounds that barely rise above the murk. But all these drones have their own set of subtle rhythms and patterns which makes this a very engaging listen. 8)

I have this disc, too, and like it very much.  If you like this sort of thing, I'd highly recommend almost anything by Peter Wright (though I'd probably start with his 2008 Archive release, "Pretty Mushroom Clouds").

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 20, 2009, 10:11:23 PM »
I'm wondering now why most artists don't see it that way?   Why not just stream the whole album, or everything but the last minute or 30 sec. of each track?   

I don't think there is a "one size fits all" solution to this issue.  Two labels I have worked with (Projekt and Cuneiform) have made sample tracks available through sampler compilations.  Another label (Foundry) embedded two tracks from my album with Carl Weingarten (Invisibility) in a podcast interview, which I thought was a pretty creative approach.  One problem I have with streaming is that it is too easy to capture the stream digitally using software.  If the stream is hi-fi, it is too easily captured and rendered into MP3.  If the stream is lo-fi, it degrades the listening experience and may not be representative of what the track actually sounds like.  (Try listening to Thomas Koner at 128 kbps!)

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 20, 2009, 12:08:22 AM »
Maybe it has something to do with relative demand?

My guess would be that this is the unfortunate result of having to go through a middleman for digital distribution and losing all control over the terms ultimately reached with the digital retail company at the other end.  EMusic's monthly subscription plan is by the number of downloads, and not by track length, so you could probably download several longform ambient albums for the price of, say, a digital Nick Lowe album.  I don't know what the net royalty would be from the sale of a longform album on Emusic, but my guess is that would be less than what the artist would have received on Itunes.

Re Immersion's comments:  I have paid for Robert Rich's mastering services and the licensing of Mark Mushet's professional images for the cover of my next CD.  This comes directly out of my own pocket, and I hope to at least break "even" (and by that, I am not even thinking about any of my own time spent, which is considerable) on the CD through sales, physical and digital.  I could not even hope for that to happen if everyone adopted Immersion's attitude that all digital music should be free for the taking.

Forrest

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Just got this one, too.  Very enjoyable, especially disc 2.

Forrest

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That happened to me, too, when I tried to import one of the Macro Dub Infection compilations into ITunes.  The tracks showed up under the album title, but the individual tracks were stored under folders for each artist.  Really messy when you're looking for tracks in individual subdirectories.

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Lossless .flac vs CD
« on: April 14, 2009, 10:26:24 PM »
I have no problems with free FLAC releases, but would always opt for the physical release over a FLAC, if I had the choice.  I can't see how a printer could ever equal or surpass a manufactured booklet.  Also, I would be too lazy (or klutzy) to print out and cut my own covers.

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Music, free or for sale ?
« on: April 14, 2009, 10:23:29 PM »
Ok, do I need to become a content provider in order to get my stuff into iTunes? Let me know if anyone is doing this and if it doesn't cost on my end for submitting to them for this. I went and filled out the application, we'll see how long it takes for them to get back to me on it and what they say.
Thanks,
Mike

You might want to check out Tunecore (www.tunecore.com).  They seem to have a fairly reasonable pricing scheme.  I've been thinking about using them for some of my older Ominous Thud releases, if I ever get around to digitizing them.

Forrest

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 14, 2009, 05:46:43 PM »
David Darling & The Wulu Bunin - Mudamin Kata (beautiful collab between cellist David Darling and Taiwanese aboriginal singers.  The only frame of reference I can think of is Hector Zazou's ambient collaboration with Corsincan singers, Les Nouvelles Polyphonies Corses.  I think you'd really like this one, Joseph, if you don't have it already.)

Forrest

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Joseph--I'd have to agree, in Stokes we trust.  Ditto for the Mother Sunrise album, one of my Hypnos favorites, too.  I'd add to that Gigi's Athlit album, and Mike's 1st (?) Fulton collab, The Most Distant Point Known.

Forrest

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 13, 2009, 04:43:02 PM »
Circle- Tower; Very interesting! Sort of a free-form ambient-jazz ensemble. Reminds me of Sun Ra, but with synths and keyboards instead of brass.

Joe R--I like this one, too.  It has sort of an early 70s-Miles vibe to me--maybe it's because of the electric piano.  I've heard that some of Circle's other releases are more heavy and dirge-like.

Today--
Entia Non - Fold
Hilde Marie Kjersem - A Killer For That Ache

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: US Copyright rant
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:06:41 AM »
No, CC is not about compensation or money, just sharing.

Unfortunately, this is the same argument that filesharers use to to justify the illegal dissemination of music.  It is only sharing if the musician voluntarily decides to give the music away.  The CC concept obviously has some appeal to both novices and veteran musicians alike.  Posts to this board about the availability of their free CC music are as much a form of viral marketing as what NIN and Radiohead do, just on a different scale.  But not everyone wants to give their music away.  I personally like what APK does with his label; use a free EP to entice the listener to try more by buying the album.  I don't think CC is an either/or proposition; it is just one of many options available.

Forrest

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 06, 2009, 09:32:57 PM »
Pan Sonic - Kulma (skeletal analog electronics with a buzz and hum that reminds me of Saul's homemade machines)

Forrest

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Everything and Nothing / Re: US Copyright rant
« on: April 06, 2009, 09:29:39 PM »
CC doesn't seem like a great way to go if you want to be compensated for the copying or distribution of your work.  On the other hand, it probably is useful as a form of viral marketing.

Forrest

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Martin Denny / Exotica
« on: April 03, 2009, 03:05:40 PM »
I wasn't thinking specifically of Denny as having a pseudo-ironic cartoon style.  Though, I guess, his famous tune, "Firecracker," might qualify.  More irritating to me are the quasi-ironic lounge acts of the late 90s that claimed a direct lineage to Martin Denny and Esquivel.  What I thought was an interesting turnabout was when YMO covered "Firecracker" and turned into a fairly nice technopop version.

I agree that the mixing and matching of different cultural styles can be fascinating, but it can also lead to some godawful results, like the ambient fad of adding beats to Tibetan and Gregorian chants in the mid-90s.

Forrest 

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