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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Loop-Based Music
« on: October 22, 2013, 07:14:43 PM »
Hello Big Looper,

The pieces sounds a bit bare and raw, especially considering the brief duration of the samples you are using.  They might sound more finished if they were layered and processed, so that it would bring some other quality out of them beyond just the raw sound.

I would also spend a bit more time woodshedding with the sounds.  It would be time well spent; you wouldn't want to give listeners a negative or indifferent impression right off the bat.


Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 21, 2013, 01:59:07 PM »
That was very nice to hear from Trang.  Her work is very special, so I'm sure we'll be hearing more from her in the future.  Thanks for letting us know about her work (and your accompanying music), Loren.

I couldn't resist firing off a quick email to KCET questioning the use of a "competition" between two dissimilar projects, the lack of controls or clear parameters for voting, and relying on the effective use of social media as an accurate proxy for viewer interest or as a measure of each project's worthiness.


Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 19, 2013, 03:36:57 PM »
Uh-oh.  They're 18 votes ahead again.

Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:39:39 PM »
They've apparently enlisted a gallery to Twitter on its behalf.


Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 18, 2013, 11:25:19 AM »
Lead down to 5.


Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 18, 2013, 09:14:33 AM »
Just voted.  The lead is down to 33.  The thumpers are attempting a comeback.

Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 17, 2013, 07:26:16 AM »
Re-voting doesn't work for me. It simply says they already have my vote.
Which is what I would expect.

Could it be the cookie in your browser from the last time you voted?  I voted again this morning  Lead is down to 40 votes.  Those DJS are busy beavers.


Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 16, 2013, 08:41:50 PM »
That daily re-voting capability's kind of cool.  If only elections worked that way.  Vote early and often. :)


Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 16, 2013, 03:47:14 PM »
Looks like she's pulling ahead.  Up by over 50 votes now.


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Drone Masters
« on: October 16, 2013, 10:34:01 AM »
I would add Mirror, Andrew Chalk, Thomas Koner (most of his work, anyway) and Celer to the list of drone artists.

Everything and Nothing / Re: A Favor from my Hypnos friends.
« on: October 15, 2013, 09:18:00 PM »
Hi Loren,

I voted, too.  Very beautiful music and painting--the music's sustained mood complements the flow of the painting very well.  The circles reminded me of little plankton.  One of the other paintings reminded me Clyfford Still and Indonesian ikats.  Hope she wins!


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 08, 2013, 10:06:52 AM »
Got this in the mail today:

Still need to listen to it though. I'm sure it's great.

I liked the second disc, but I thought the first one had too many darned birds!


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 08, 2013, 10:06:06 AM »

- The Seaman & The Tattered Sail :: Light Folds

This is really excellent !

My physical copy of the a la carte version came yesterday.  No download code, but the DVD has audio from the LP, hours of additional pieces and even audio from the CDs, so I'm not complaining ...:)

Frpm what I've heard so far (about an hour's worth) it's a nice, if sprawling work, with neo-classical underpinnings.  Some of it even sounds like you, Anthony!  Artwork was especially nice.

My only slight quibble is that some of the extended pieces could have benefited from a shorter length.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 05, 2013, 08:43:43 PM »
Forrest: yes, I ordered the less expensive CD/DVD version ... the "few extra copies" in Chris' above post.
Received the codes the day after. Was a bit of an odd/obscure email, so I'd check that you have not overlooked it.

Seems that above page for those extra copies is no longer available. Can't find the page again.

Dang.  I think you were lucky, or I was too late, or both.  Oh well.  Maybe I'll get lucky when the physical copies come in.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 04, 2013, 11:15:45 PM »
I now have the downloads (they give you codes) ...  and it's the bee's knees !   8)
But I was already a big fan of The Boats and other things by Mr. tattered sail.

I didn't receive a download code (hmmph).  Did you order the less expensive version?

Mazzy Star - Seasons Of Your Day (pleasant--no big surprises, though more stripped down)


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 03, 2013, 04:35:01 PM »
Many thanks for the heads up on that, Chris.
Just ordered a copy of the CD/DVD set.

I did, too.   Thanks, Chris.

A seven-hour length for the full project does seem a bit longish.  There are very few (LaMonte Young, Robert Rich) who could get away with that! ;)...


Roedelius has also done some nice experimental work with Tim Story and with Story and Dwight Ashley under the name, "A.R.S."  Roedelius and Story's "Inlandish" is an especially nice one--pleasant but with a bit of an edge.


Artist can be so indifferent to the works they create. They are often plagued with doubt and uncertainties.....regardless if the work is brilliant it will never see the light of day unless nurtured.  Not a candidate I would recommend for any PR department.  No personal experience in the legal field but I for one would not represent myself in a court of law.

Julio, I think you've really hit the nail on the head.  I think there is a period of doubt and scrutiny and maybe even insecurity that should be part and parcel of any act of creation.  Particularly in the ambient genre, it is difficult to tell whether a piece is truly done or can or should be refined further.  If we are truly honest with ourselves, it is rare that piece comes out fully and perfectly formed out of the womb.  This sensibility can be at odds with the promotion/marketing side that an artist is expected to pursue, which is to convince the prospective listener that your latest work is the greatest thing since sliced bread and of course better than anything else you've done before.  There is also the issue of whether the artist has enough distance from his own work or enough perspective to objectively assess it for others.  I'd rather leave that heavy lifting for reviewers or listeners, who are likely to see things I am not in a position to see because I am too close to the work.

I also think we as listeners need to constantly revisit the question of whether "more" is better when it comes to the glut of music now available and the bloated size of digital libraries, but best to save that for another day.


Chris and Anthony,

I think the danger with assuming that promotion is easier in the net age ignores the market realities that necessitate being heard over the static.  The flipside of marginalizing the old model is that you have fewer traditional labels willing or able to curate and a lot of subpar music being rushed to market before it is ready.  This has going on for some time since the dawn of Napster and the likes of Rapidshare, torrents and Megaupload over the years making music "free" have only made this problem worse.  I think it is also problematic to ignore the economic implications of this.  I think the current model discourages a lot of serious musicians who see barely any compensation for their work in favor of weekend hobbyists.  I think a case could be made that artists would generally release higher quality music if they had more "skin" in the game that they would stand to lose if their latest masterpiece stiffed.

Of course, I had to do a lot of "promotion" in the old days of distribution that included sending out promos and getting the attention of distributors, but I don't like the new version of self-promotion much better.


What I missed most about having a label wasn’t the monetary investment, but the right to be quiet, the insulation provided from incessant self-promotion. I was a singer, not a saleswoman. Not everyone wants to be an entrepreneur.

Interesting read. It isn't always clear what point she really wanted to make, but the essay was thought provoking nonetheless.

The irony is that she is quite good at self-promotion.

Hi Chris,

What I get out of it is that she makes a careful separation between creative act and the promotion of it afterwards.  It might blurred sometimes, but being skillful at one doesn't equate to a skill at the other.  I think that the rise of social media has raised the expectation that artists be fully accessible and engaged with their audience most if all of the time.  For those of us not fortunate enough to be doing this full-time, this is not really feasible.  For many of the bedroom musician-types in our genre, touring and live performance may not be a practical solution to replace falling revenue from the gradual decline of paid music.  From my perspective, since a lot of what I do involves layering different instruments and takes, a "live" performance for me isn't such an exciting prospect, as it might easily devolve into a "music-minus-one" sort of thing.

I would give the author more credit--she is clearly not promoting her own music.  Even her calling as a writer is not really the focus of her opinion piece.  I think she is understandably concerned about how the web age's emphasis on self-promotion might leave a lot of quiet but talented musicians in the dust.  I am, too.


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