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In my case, the seller is definitely related to the label.  The Seller was identified as "vuoi_la_musica_la_musica_ti_daremo!", and after I won the eBay auction, the contact email provided for the seller was ""  That is the same email address given on the website for the "A Silent Place" label.  Also, the address provided in both the email telling me I had won the auction and at the website was the same:  70031 Andria, BA Italia.  Had I known I was dealing with the same vendor under a different eBay seller who nearly stiffed me earlier, I would not have bought from him a second time.  2 months later I still have not received the CD.  The timing and number of adverse comments for this seller leads me to believe he has set up his shop under another eBay seller name.  I think this guy is even lower than the last owner of Silent Records who completely stiffed me after I hand-delivered a box of 25 CDs to him.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: August 21, 2008, 10:22:44 AM »
Forgot to mention, I agree with the other Forrest, The Lucy Show's Undone is one great album.  Never understood why it was never reissued on CD.  I saw The Grapes of Wrath open for 10,000 Maniacs in the late 80s at the iBeam in SF--a great show.  I also was fortunate to see Lloyd Cole & his band at Wolfgang's (a Bill Graham venue that is long gone) during that first Rattlesnakes tour.


i'm not someone who will complaint or give negative feedback right away, but still i'm trying to show a bit more patience.. however if no result soon, i'll be forced to take action on this.


Be careful.  PayPal, unlike eBay, has only a 45-day window within which to initiate the dispute.  I almost blew the time period, thinking that I had 60 days under eBay's dispute procedure.

I brought this to the forum's attention because I thought it was a highly unusual way for an ambient label to subsidize its releases.  I won't be buying any more Small Voices/Silent Places releases, directly or through anyone else.


Some of you may remember that I had problems several months ago in getting a CD I had ordered on eBay from Small Voices.  The CD finally arrived 2 months after I ordered it, but only after I filed a dispute with PayPal.

Unfortunately, it appears that history has repeated itself.  This time I ordered an extremely limited Fabio Orsi CD from an Italian seller on eBay who only identified itself/himself as "vuoi_la_musica_la_musica_ti_daremo!"  Only after I purchased the CD was the seller identified as being from A Silent Place.  Almost two months have passed and, once again, I have forced to file another dispute with PayPal.  Here is a link to this seller eBay feedback:!&&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&sspagename=VIP:feedback:2:us&iid=290243179992

It appears that most if not all of the negative comments came in the past month, and, not coincidentally, the seller's eBay store appears to have closed up shop.  I suspect that this seller has reopened another eBay store under a different name, so beware if you are purchasing ambient CDs from an unknown Italian seller.  This a unique form of fraud I have never seen before.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: August 20, 2008, 05:24:07 PM »
Besides the new Jason Sloan, I've been listening to:

Altus - Macro (very nice and varied collection of short ambient and quasi-orchestra pieces; reminded me in places of K. Leimer and Bill Nelson's short ambient instrumentals)
Pacific UV - Longplayer 2 (postrock in a Sigur Ros meets Slowdive vein)
VA- Great Axescapes -I've been listening to Pts. 2 and 5 of Alan's mixological drone opus.


Just got this the other day in CD format.  Very nice and spacey, reminiscent of his earlier releases like "Shoreline of An End," though, according to the liner notes, it was created using a generative system.


Everything and Nothing / Re: Ancient Gugin Music
« on: August 20, 2008, 05:11:57 PM »

I am sure I will continue playing the gu zheng; it's a special instrument and of course I have fond memories associated with it.  I actually have 2 of them, a large one with silk-wound strings and a smaller steel-stringed one that is more of a beginner's instrument.  Funny that you should mention the dan bau.  I have one of those, too; very tough to play--all harmonics!


Zhang Yan has only 2 CDs I'm aware of; one was released in Taiwan and the other in Hong Kong.  The first one features more solo performances and the second one is orchestral and features a chromatic "double zheng" that was built for her.  I don't know if they are still available.

Yes, I've considered the guqin.  Very cool sounding.  Thought it was a bit tough for me to me to tackle.  No frets--only dots on the fingerboard and a lot of glissandi.  I used to have an LP by David Liang Ming.


Yes, I play gu zheng on track 6 of 'Temple..'--an extended improv that Robert somehow coaxed into shape.  I met Robert at a Jorge Reyes concert in 1994; I was introduced to him by Stephen Hill of HOS.  As for your question about Robert's hand injury, I don't think it has completely healed, but he has made adjustments as to what he can play and has even built new flutes to accommodate his playing limitations.


Everything and Nothing / Re: Ancient Gugin Music
« on: August 15, 2008, 11:07:07 AM »
Do you know if some artist used Guzheng or Guqin out of chinese traditional music ? in ambient music pheraps ?

I studied gu zheng for several years with Zhang Yan (a master musician from Mainland China who performed for Nixon when he visited China) from the mid-80s to the early-90s.  Zheng is a prominent instrument on my "World Diary" and "Folklore" albums, and is even present on my earlier "Wolf At the Ruins" CD.  Yan was a very special teacher who died young in 1997.  I have not played the instrument much since Yan passed away, although I did play it on Robert Rich's "Temple of the Invisible" in 2003.


1.  Why should an undiscovered talent with $800 to their name and no health insurance, end up getting their music buried in history because Steve Roach needed a second house, a new car and some exotic vacation? 

Pissing on an established ambient artist is probably not the best way to bring attention to your new label.  Thought your response to Jim Brenholt's posting in another thread about not being able to download your label's music was a bit harsh, too.  Hard to escape the irony that you are making your arguments on the virtues of your "free" music on the forum of an established ambient label.  Maybe you should consider giving some of your sales royalties to Hypnos for enabling you to publicize your fledgling label.  Best of of luck with your new label, anyway.


Hypnos Label Releases / Re: CD release: Sans Serif - Tones for LaMonte
« on: August 13, 2008, 12:06:59 PM »
Can I ask you what source you used ? I mean: do you used synths or these drones come from acoustic (metallic objects) processing ? 

Hi Giorgio,

Most of the sources were acoustic in nature (e.g., violin, marxolin, wine glasses), though that was not by design.  The project was really an extension of my work on Foundry's "Bibimbap" project, where the participants tried to turn unused sounds and even partial pieces into something that sounded more interesting.

Hello also to Mirko.  Thanks for picking it up.  Hope that you enjoy it.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: August 11, 2008, 09:03:38 PM »
Randy Newman - Harps and Angels (a return to form like his 'Good Old Boys' period; am very jazzed that he will be performing in SF this fall)
Milieu & Quosp - Grassland Melodies (very nice split netrelease in an ambient vein that fell under my radar)


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Electric Gongs
« on: August 11, 2008, 08:59:14 PM »
Hey, that's very cool!  Wish I could see it.  Harry, if like those sounds, you should also check out the sound sculpture music of Robert Rutman and Harry Bertoia.


My view on this has evolving somewhat.  Although I agree with Anthony that there is the issue of dilution, my greater concern is that of quality control.  This issue has always been there, from the days of  It may be asking too much to expect an artist who may be too close to his or her own music to be an efficient editor/filter of the material that is to be released as well.  I think it is more respectful to the listener's time if less rather than more is released.  It's not just the wasted time in downloading a file, it's wasted time for the disappointed consumer listening, too.  I think that traditional labels still perform a valuable function not only as curators with a particular aesthetic/vision, but also as gatekeepers, so that only releases that meet a certain threshold get released.  Maybe a well-run netlabel such as Resting Bell or Monotonik can serve the same function, but there are only so many hours in the day to spend trawling for free music.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: August 06, 2008, 11:07:25 PM »
VA - Haruomi Hosono Strange Song Book (Tribute to Haruomi Hosono 2) (An interesting compilation of artists doing cover versions of Hosono's songs and a couple of instrumentals; Fennesz and Sakamoto cover a mid-80s instrumental tune; my favorite is a cover of Pleiocene with gamelan)
Brand X - Xcommunication (a early 90s fusion power trio release with John Goodsall and Percy Jones that isn't half bad, cheesy cover notwithstanding)


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Forum members on
« on: August 06, 2008, 10:55:20 PM »
My Gongland release is up there on emusic, but my Cuneiform releases (Folklore, Blind Messenger) are only on Itunes.  I may make some my older releases such as Wolf At the Ruins available digitally in the not-too-distant future.


Hypnos Label Releases / Re: CD release: Sans Serif - Tones for LaMonte
« on: August 06, 2008, 10:52:23 PM »
Dave and John - Many thanks for the feedback.  Glad you enjoyed it.


Hello Ekstasis.  Have you worked with analog synths before?  If not, I think you might find analog synths or software analog synth emulators like the Arturia Moog more transparent in showing you how electronic sound is created.  From there, I would add in effects such as echo and reverb, but too many effects at the outset may make difficult to troubleshoot what you are hearing in case you want to modify it.  Those presets you are describing probably have quite a few effects attached to them.


Hello, I have worked only with digital synths before,  I am going to try Zero-G Phaedra Ultimate Analog synth during this week, we will see if I like it.

About the Arturia Moog, I did check it on the website the "Analog Factory Experience" software/hardware combo, I did like the interface a lot, but the actual sounds is not something I like, they sound very old school 70s sounds, this is not at all the sounds I want.

I was thinking that an analog hardware or virtual interface would be useful for purposes of breaking down the sound into its basic components (VCO, VCA, VCF, ASDR, and so forth).  These are basic principles that you could apply to other virtual or hardware instruments that had sounds you found more interesting.  Starting with a complex opaque interface seems to be putting the cart before the horse.  I found it much easier to program my first digital synth because I had had basic training on a Moog Mark V many many moons ago.


Hello Ekstasis.  Have you worked with analog synths before?  If not, I think you might find analog synths or software analog synth emulators like the Arturia Moog more transparent in showing you how electronic sound is created.  From there, I would add in effects such as echo and reverb, but too many effects at the outset may make difficult to troubleshoot what you are hearing in case you want to modify it.  Those presets you are describing probably have quite a few effects attached to them.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 31, 2008, 11:31:20 AM »
Igneous Flame - Hydra (complex fog banks of treated guitar.  Great stuff.  He has a nice track on the Hypnos "Sounds of a Universe Overheard" comp, too.)
David Torn - Prezens (this one went right past me.  I think prefer his spacier "Cloud About Mercury" period, but it might just be a grower)


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: R.I.P. Backroads Music
« on: July 31, 2008, 11:24:27 AM »
I was under the impression that Lloyd was continuing at least some of his operations under a different name.  Here is part of his announcement to the Spacemusic list:

as of August 1, 2008, Backroads Music will suspend operations. 

Lloyd Barde Productions will be launched by September 1st, & will continue to sell CDs from extensive stock on hand. 
Same location, with this contact info:
        Address remains:  401A Tamal Plaza, Corte Madera, CA 94925
       Phone remains: 415-924-4848 (same as before).  The 800# will be discontinued August 1st.
        Email as of August 1st (New; please change!): starts 8/1/08
             ( will be forwarded for a period of time after the change)
       Web site:  <> will be gone August 1st.
           A new web site for LLOYD BARDE PRODUCTIONS will be up by September 1st!


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