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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:46:08 PM »
Oh, and another thing:

Call me a heretic, but I've never found anything likable about Structures From Silence. I know a lot of people treasure that one, but for me it's definitely a case of "some people just don't get it, and they never will".

There, I feel better already! ;)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:07:09 PM »
but when he's good, he's great!
But there's always a chance I start to like music that I didn't like before.

That's what happened to me recently with Spirit Dome. That music suddenly became "right" for Joe Rygwelski in 2008, don't ask me why...

Speaking of Streams & Currents, I forgot about that odd bit of drumming in the second track. Doesn't bother me though, I still enjoy the murky depths of that disc.

Someone mentioned Serpents Lair. I love disc 2, but the disc with Byron Metcalf doesn't really go anywhere for me. As for Trance Spirits, it sounds to me like someone periodically threw random patches of ambience into a relentless drum mix. Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.

And I agree that all the Roach/Obmana collabs are great.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: April 01, 2008, 07:01:39 PM »
I DO agree with you though, that Mantram and Trance Spirits are both lame. ;)

Put up yer dukes, boys.  I love both of those CDs.   ;D

That's what's great about Steve Roach- such a wide variety of music that inspires such a wide variety of opinions.

I have about 30 Roach CDs, and I like less than half of 'em... but when he's good, he's great!

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: April 01, 2008, 05:34:14 PM »
Hey 9 Dragons-

Do you have Streams & Currents? I seldom hear it mentioned, but if you like Spirit Dome, I think you'll like that one as well. It's bottomless & dark & ponderous like Spirit Dome, but without percussion. In fact, I think I'll revisit that one tonight...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: April 01, 2008, 05:17:39 PM »

Maybe there should be an anti-Steve Roach thread alongside the pro-thread...I think it'd be funny...

Gasp! :o
Do you know what you're saying?! This website would spontaneously combust with all the hatred and rage that would be generated. I DO agree with you though, that Mantram and Trance Spirits are both lame. ;)

I never could get into Ashera, though I tried. I had "Cobalt 144" and "We Gaia", but couldn't get interested in either one.

Same with Brannan Lane- I had a few of his, but none of them stuck...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: March 30, 2008, 07:29:33 AM »
I've been spinning Spirit Dome the past 2 days.  I guess I've never given it a proper listen before. It's amazing- so deep, dark, and cavernous...  funny how it can take years to appreciate a CD sometimes.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 28, 2008, 06:48:42 AM »

I agree. Ocean Fire is a great disc!

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: March 28, 2008, 06:22:26 AM »
Thanks to this thread, I was reminded once again to play InnerZone, which I love, but always seem to overlook somehow. Great stuff, eerie & cold & glassy. But for some reason, I was never able to get into Spirit Dome, even though the atmosphere is similar, if darker.

I always loved Well of Souls; and Ascension of Shadows is awesome, especially "Memory Pool" and "Somewhere Else".

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: DataObscura: Rumforskning
« on: March 10, 2008, 05:39:05 PM »
I love both of these CDs, but I haven't spun them in ages -thanks for the reminder.

...don't know if I'd describe them as "glitchy drones" though. More like drones strewn with rocks and gravel  -unique & fascinating stuff.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 07, 2008, 06:36:40 AM »
I agree with the raves here about David Tagg's "Waist Deep in Seas of Milk". This stuff is awesome, in fact I'm listening right now.

I'm still loving this Entia Non stuff! I got Fold, from Anthony's DataObscura site, and it's as good as the others. It's more laid back than Distal, but still drenched in those random sound effects that give it that psychedelic feel... again, this is wonderful stuff, and everyone should give this a try. It's got the "Joe R" stamp of approval. :)

Jeez, Joe, you need to stop smoking so much!   ;D

I'm happy to report that I stopped smoking many years ago. :)
Now if I could quit this godawful glue-sniffing thing...

  If you're building up so much gunk on your lens every 20 hours that you can hear a difference, then I'd say you live in a heavily polluted area, or you're hearing the benefits of the placebo effect!   ;)

Believe me, this is no placebo effect. And no, I don't hear any difference when I use the cleaner every 20 hours or so. Maybe I wouldn't even hear a difference after 100 hours-- I just don't know. But I DO know that after a few years you'll notice a HUGE difference when you use the cleaner. But why let it get to that point? The instructions on the cleaners say to use after 10 hours of CD playing; I decided that 20 was enough, and maybe it's MORE than enough. But it doesn't seem to damage the players.

And I know you're not supposed to do this, but it was a last resort, so I used one of those laser-cleaning CD thingies; it didn't help.

Really, you're not supposed to use them? ???  I use those quite often, in fact I'll never be without one. I tried one out of curiosity, many years ago, and I could not believe the improvement it made in the sound quality of my disc players! It was like night and day, so much clarity and so much more high-end sound that was restored. I was a convert right there. I use them every 20 hours or so.

Is it supposed to be bad for the lazer? I've never had a problem, and I've used them in 6 or 7 different CD players.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: WURM SERIES: OOPHOI
« on: February 25, 2008, 06:46:33 PM »
(Blare of trumpets)
News flash, straight from the horses's mouth:

Oophoi's "An Aerial View" is now available for pre-order for 14 euros at

Should ship in the middle of March, according to the Oophmeister.

Actually, I would call Distal the greatest music ever composed by a human mind, which makes it hyperbolambient.


You're right, I don't know what you'd call it... it's got elements of glitch for sure, though that's not the whole description. But it's irresistable, which may make it irresambient.

I agree- Distal is the best one.

" bathing in waters in which various items float, not all of which you feel entirely comfy with." --Ha! Good line...

Cool that you mention Hakobune in that profile- his stuff is great!

And I believe he has a couple discs out on the U-Cover label I'll have to check out, and of course, the one on DataObscura...

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