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My parents have always referred to ambient as "non music."  And they love classical, n hate ambient.  So I don't think THEY see any correlations between the two.  I don't either. Period. Over n' out!!  :-*

Well, those correlations sound highly subjective drone.  ;)  I'd like to point out (and to annoy you) with the fact that correlations are never seen as causation.  Meaning that you can't assume that any truth comes from a correlation. 

Enjoy that.  ;P


There just isn't much in the way of stark black and white separation of musical ideas - it's all various shades and hues of colors that overlap. 

Unrelated, but I love this XTC lyric:  "when it rains it rains all the colors in my paintbox".   Music is kind of like that to me.

Nice Skylarking reference there!  And a wonderful way to state your idea.

There is absolutely no relationship between classical music and ambient.  Classical music is temporal, acoustically produced, structured music.  (Good) ambient just isn't. Period.

Hi again everyone!

As to your comments drone on:

I disagree with your statement. 

Some ambient musicians use acoustic instruments (stars of the lid, eluvium, hammock, brian eno)
Some classical composers write music that doesn't have typical melodic narrative and structure (erik satie, debussy, mompou)
Some classical composers don't always use acoustic instruments (John Cage, Stockhausen, Philip Glass)
Some ambient musicians write music with clear sections and melodies (brian eno, harold budd, sotl and many others)

There are linkages between the two.  You just have to look carefully.  There are linkages between every genre of music.

So you basically can't make such statements. 

Period.  ;)

Everything and Nothing / Re:
« on: May 13, 2009, 03:05:22 AM »
Yes, the site has changed.  It used to be buzzing with artists, all advertising their works.  There was a lot of rubbish, but there was some great stuff as well.
It's all gone quite silent now. 

I built deepspace up quite a bit with  It's good for statistics about what people like.  Like Altus said, certain tracks are played by more people and are spread around.
It's interesting to get a perspective on what others like about your sound.

here's my site.  77,000 plays now.  I'm quite chuffed about that.

That sounds like a good stage name actually.  'ladies and gentlemen, Lively Doombient!'

lively doombient

Everything and Nothing / Re: Asperger's syndrome
« on: May 04, 2009, 05:55:57 AM »
from  "A E I O U (sometimes Y)"
"All artists, potentially, are the victims of their desire to be unique
Just observe it
Don't fight it
Work it."

I would alter that to "all artists, potentially, are the victims of their desire to identify and come to terms with their uniqueness"

The statement "the desire to be unique" suggests that the artist actually feels 'normal' and is attempting to distinguish him/herself.  I think a lot of artists call themselves artists (and I hope i'm not opening a can of worms here) because they felt different as children, and therefore have found themselves a role which privileges that very quality.  Uniqueness may have been viewed negatively at one stage, and embracing the term through adopting the role of artist is  a way of reconciling that difference within themselves.

I've think I've just said something very simple in an overly complex way.  :)

Basically, if you're different, you do something that makes you feel good about it.  Anyway, that's according to Leon Festinger, who came up with the idea of cognitive dissonance.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Asperger's syndrome
« on: May 03, 2009, 04:35:09 AM »
You know what, I agree with you viniator3.  Today I was at an afternoon lunch with my wife and kids, and I was more social than I've been for a long time, and what's more, not only did I enjoy it, I was good at it too.  I think now that I know what's going on inside, I'm hell bent on proving to myself that I can be the best that I can be, and that I'm not going to sit here feeling sorry for myself for one second.

I've always been the sort of person who doesn't really know or accept his limits.  Sometimes this has been a great thing (eg. I wrote seven albums under various guises over the past two years).  And sometimes it's been a bit humbling (eg. sometimes I over-reach and fall flat on my face).  But I'll be damned if I'm going to accept any limits now.  :) 

Everything and Nothing / Re: Asperger's syndrome
« on: April 28, 2009, 11:41:29 PM »
I could see how some people could try to convince themselves that they have an illness or a condition, in order to become either a victim, so they don't have to try anymore, or maybe if they suffer from hypochondria or something similar.  If i just had the social anxiety aspect, I would be reluctant to go further than just a self-diagnosis. 

Some of the symptoms of Asperger's are very broad and a lot of people have them.  It's a condition that is present in a lot of people.  But I think the important thing to ask yourself is whether or not they affect your life in a way that makes you feel depressed.  Some of the symptoms are so deeply bound to myself, that they are completely part of my identity.  I don't feel negative towards them, even though they have had some very negative impacts on my confidence, because they are  part of me. 

I feel pretty bizarre right now, in a way that is impossible for me to articulate, but it's not cancer or anything, so I feel lucky in that regard and shouldn't be complaining.  But I was interested if anyone else finds themselves with similar symptoms. 

Everything and Nothing / Asperger's syndrome
« on: April 28, 2009, 12:15:16 PM »

Sorry if I've been a bit quiet on the forums recently. 

I'm 36 this year, and the last few weeks have been pretty important for me.  I've realised that I've got Asperger's syndrome.  With hindsight, it seems kind of obvious now, and I realise now that I have always been trying to answer the question of why I feel different to everybody else.  I feel like that question has been answered in the past couple of weeks.  My son Luka, who is 6, has been displaying some of the symptoms, and we were trying to get him diagnosed, when the penny dropped.  It really shook my world up a first, but has allowed me to forgive my past, and to accept myself a little more. 

Then I thought, I wonder where I could talk to some more people who might be similar.  I clicked the hypnos link. ;) 
Are there any Aspies here, self-diagnosed or officially diagnosed?  Or self-undiagnosed?

Here's a link of some of the symptoms:

I had a lot of tics, stutters, anxiety as a child (which I still have, but I can suppress) and some of these symptoms can change to more 'acceptable' versions as an adult.  But I have to say that I don't feel as If I'm broken or anything, I feel a sense of proudness too, because some of these areas, especially the obsession with alienation, dreaminess, with which I have distinguished myself in my own life, are some of the core symptoms of this condition.   

Always love your stuff wayne.  That lonely guitar of's always on a seemingly endless journey.

This sounds excellent!

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 09, 2009, 11:01:48 PM »

This is excellent.  It is very Vidna - circa 'Near the Flogging Landscape', like Joe R said.  Which is probably my fave vidna period.
But at the same time, the influence isn't overbearing. 

Beautiful.  A lesson in simplicity, and non-orchestration.  And yeah, ignore the visuals. 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Discovering New Labels
« on: March 02, 2009, 11:51:17 PM »
I am curious to know what forum members think about the idea of deliberately annoying music, as in those releases that seem to be striving to be avant-garde or different, but think that the way to this goal is just to be insanely annoying. I would start a separate thread, but I've encountered this concept in some recently discovered new labels (which will remain unnamed until further assessment), so it fits in this thread. Do you think there are fools out there just taking the piss out of us listeners? I have heard some stuff recently that just straight up angers me in its pretentious annoyingness.

An interesting question:  The idea of poseurs out there being deliberately annoying is something that makes me want to pick up a big stick and beat them around the head with it, but really people can do whatever they want with music- that's one of the great things about something not bound by the same rules as many other things in our society.

If music wasn't one of those big wild-west kind of places where you could do whatever takes your fancy, then i'd feel a bit depressed and I don't really think any musicians are being deliberately annoying, I think they may be making a statement about what we accept and what we don't accept in society, like death metal bands etc   They probably still enjoy what they do, even though it may be offensive and foul to the uninitiated.  Avant-garde on the other hand, I would say, is more of an artistic decision to test out ideas, experiments.  These people get away with a lot, because of the big word Art, but some of it can be very thought provoking, if not always listenable.

hmmm....I'd still call them wankers though.

Everything and Nothing / Re: List of words it is not OK to ever say
« on: February 27, 2009, 05:11:57 PM »
Yeah, lolspeak is rampant on forums and online games i guess, but it does seem to be waning, as people can now use the genre itself to undermine a poster's point/comment, so people with half a brain are less likely to use it. 

i think lolspeak has also evolved out of handy shortcuts in online communication/gaming, where there isn't always time to type exactly what you want.  (headsets are solved that to some extent), but people have started to verbally use the abbreviated texts, which is interesting.  'going afk'  or 'bio' (means you're going to the bathroom!!) are now common things to say if you're doing a bit of gaming and people are using headsets. 

another irritating shortcut is to say 'kk' instead of 'ok' took me a while to figure that one out.  it's the same number of letters, but you don't have to move your hand to the O key, so people use silly is that.  and now they say 'kk' instead of ok. 
We're really seeing strange little evolutions in language, i guess due to these highly detailed alternate worlds that people are starting to reside in.  It would be very fascinating to drop a non-gamer into a raid, and see just how much they understood. 

Everything and Nothing / Re: List of words it is not OK to ever say
« on: February 27, 2009, 02:21:09 PM »
Some more annoying phrases and stupid memes: some of these are newer but are rapidly becoming cliches.  A lot of these began on online games, and have begun to spread rapidly.

1. This thread is 'FTW'  (for the win, meaning it is awesome)
and its opposite 'FTL'  (for the lose)

2. also the habit of signing 'first' in forums, to indicate that you were the first to response....sigh.

3.  'epic fail' is a newer variant of FAIL, that is also kind of silly.

4.  marking a comment, is an evolution on the fail comment too: eg. 1/10

5.  O RLY (usually accompanied by a picture of a seagull)

6.  also, and I find this one quite funny if done well: starting a random conversation with "I'm not gonna lie..."

7.  "do you like stuff"

8.  "can I have your stuff?"

9.  "do you like stuff that is random?"

10.  "kthnxbai"  

11.  "unsub"  - which means, get off this game.

12.  "reroll" - no one likes you, change yourself

13.  "hai guise" - a very stupid one, which is just a greeting.
There are others that I can't recall, which I'll post if i think of them.

Now Playing / Re: Empire of the Sun
« on: February 26, 2009, 06:46:27 PM »
Speaking of Australian bands, did you ever hear of Skyhooks? :o

Yes, they're another fairly influential Australian band, who went on to influence later australian bands such as Custard.  They were never really my cup of tea, but they did write 'women in uniform' which as you will probably know Wayne, was covered by Iron Maiden.  A very unusual choice for maiden, I always felt.

Now Playing / Re: Empire of the Sun
« on: February 26, 2009, 02:20:36 PM »
Anyone closet Empire of the Sun fans? I really enjoy the sci fi novel look and the music is great. The youtube video is pretty fun also. I was curious, Deepspace, are these guys popular in Australia?

My kids LOVE this tune.


Yes, they are very big right now- everybody seems to love them.  The singer has been a bit of a critical darling here for a while- and his previous band The Sleepy Jackson, was also quite influential.  But they've really hit on an interesting feel this time, and are now breaking internationally.




Everything and Nothing / Re: What does your partner do?
« on: February 11, 2009, 11:38:58 PM »
That's great, Mirko. Congrats to your wife for the ALA award. She's a smart lass  8)

My wife is a neuro-psychologist at a local hospital. Brain injury rehabilitation mainly.

(She is also an adjunct prof at the local university.)

Wow, your wife is doing what i'd love to do!! (in a career sense....AHEM!) I'm studying psychology at uni right now, and I'm extreeeemely interested in neuropsychology.  I'll be sending some hairy questions your way then shall I? :)

Everything and Nothing / What does your partner do?
« on: February 11, 2009, 02:25:39 AM »
I thought I'd start this topic, to show off my clever wife, who writes books amongst other things, such as lecturing at the University of Queensland.

She just won "Best Fantasy Novel" for her book "The Veil of Gold" out on Tor, at the American Library Awards.
yay!  (...any excuse to tell people, i know)

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