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There just isn't much in the way of stark black and white separation of musical ideas - it's all various shades and hues of colors that overlap. 

Unrelated, but I love this XTC lyric:  "when it rains it rains all the colors in my paintbox".   Music is kind of like that to me.

Nice Skylarking reference there!  And a wonderful way to state your idea.

There is absolutely no relationship between classical music and ambient.  Classical music is temporal, acoustically produced, structured music.  (Good) ambient just isn't. Period.

Hi again everyone!

As to your comments drone on:

I disagree with your statement. 

Some ambient musicians use acoustic instruments (stars of the lid, eluvium, hammock, brian eno)
Some classical composers write music that doesn't have typical melodic narrative and structure (erik satie, debussy, mompou)
Some classical composers don't always use acoustic instruments (John Cage, Stockhausen, Philip Glass)
Some ambient musicians write music with clear sections and melodies (brian eno, harold budd, sotl and many others)

There are linkages between the two.  You just have to look carefully.  There are linkages between every genre of music.

So you basically can't make such statements. 

Period.  ;)

Everything and Nothing / Re:
« on: May 13, 2009, 03:05:22 AM »
Yes, the site has changed.  It used to be buzzing with artists, all advertising their works.  There was a lot of rubbish, but there was some great stuff as well.
It's all gone quite silent now. 

I built deepspace up quite a bit with  It's good for statistics about what people like.  Like Altus said, certain tracks are played by more people and are spread around.
It's interesting to get a perspective on what others like about your sound.

here's my site.  77,000 plays now.  I'm quite chuffed about that.

That sounds like a good stage name actually.  'ladies and gentlemen, Lively Doombient!'

lively doombient

Everything and Nothing / Re: Asperger's syndrome
« on: May 04, 2009, 05:55:57 AM »
from  "A E I O U (sometimes Y)"
"All artists, potentially, are the victims of their desire to be unique
Just observe it
Don't fight it
Work it."

I would alter that to "all artists, potentially, are the victims of their desire to identify and come to terms with their uniqueness"

The statement "the desire to be unique" suggests that the artist actually feels 'normal' and is attempting to distinguish him/herself.  I think a lot of artists call themselves artists (and I hope i'm not opening a can of worms here) because they felt different as children, and therefore have found themselves a role which privileges that very quality.  Uniqueness may have been viewed negatively at one stage, and embracing the term through adopting the role of artist is  a way of reconciling that difference within themselves.

I've think I've just said something very simple in an overly complex way.  :)

Basically, if you're different, you do something that makes you feel good about it.  Anyway, that's according to Leon Festinger, who came up with the idea of cognitive dissonance.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Asperger's syndrome
« on: May 03, 2009, 04:35:09 AM »
You know what, I agree with you viniator3.  Today I was at an afternoon lunch with my wife and kids, and I was more social than I've been for a long time, and what's more, not only did I enjoy it, I was good at it too.  I think now that I know what's going on inside, I'm hell bent on proving to myself that I can be the best that I can be, and that I'm not going to sit here feeling sorry for myself for one second.

I've always been the sort of person who doesn't really know or accept his limits.  Sometimes this has been a great thing (eg. I wrote seven albums under various guises over the past two years).  And sometimes it's been a bit humbling (eg. sometimes I over-reach and fall flat on my face).  But I'll be damned if I'm going to accept any limits now.  :) 

Everything and Nothing / Re: Asperger's syndrome
« on: April 28, 2009, 11:41:29 PM »
I could see how some people could try to convince themselves that they have an illness or a condition, in order to become either a victim, so they don't have to try anymore, or maybe if they suffer from hypochondria or something similar.  If i just had the social anxiety aspect, I would be reluctant to go further than just a self-diagnosis. 

Some of the symptoms of Asperger's are very broad and a lot of people have them.  It's a condition that is present in a lot of people.  But I think the important thing to ask yourself is whether or not they affect your life in a way that makes you feel depressed.  Some of the symptoms are so deeply bound to myself, that they are completely part of my identity.  I don't feel negative towards them, even though they have had some very negative impacts on my confidence, because they are  part of me. 

I feel pretty bizarre right now, in a way that is impossible for me to articulate, but it's not cancer or anything, so I feel lucky in that regard and shouldn't be complaining.  But I was interested if anyone else finds themselves with similar symptoms. 

Everything and Nothing / Asperger's syndrome
« on: April 28, 2009, 12:15:16 PM »

Sorry if I've been a bit quiet on the forums recently. 

I'm 36 this year, and the last few weeks have been pretty important for me.  I've realised that I've got Asperger's syndrome.  With hindsight, it seems kind of obvious now, and I realise now that I have always been trying to answer the question of why I feel different to everybody else.  I feel like that question has been answered in the past couple of weeks.  My son Luka, who is 6, has been displaying some of the symptoms, and we were trying to get him diagnosed, when the penny dropped.  It really shook my world up a first, but has allowed me to forgive my past, and to accept myself a little more. 

Then I thought, I wonder where I could talk to some more people who might be similar.  I clicked the hypnos link. ;) 
Are there any Aspies here, self-diagnosed or officially diagnosed?  Or self-undiagnosed?

Here's a link of some of the symptoms:

I had a lot of tics, stutters, anxiety as a child (which I still have, but I can suppress) and some of these symptoms can change to more 'acceptable' versions as an adult.  But I have to say that I don't feel as If I'm broken or anything, I feel a sense of proudness too, because some of these areas, especially the obsession with alienation, dreaminess, with which I have distinguished myself in my own life, are some of the core symptoms of this condition.   

Always love your stuff wayne.  That lonely guitar of's always on a seemingly endless journey.

This sounds excellent!

Everything and Nothing / Re: Synthpop's Alive!!!!
« on: April 09, 2009, 12:47:29 AM »
This is great!  He reminded me a little of Jarvis Cocker.  Any more info on this guy?

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 09, 2009, 11:01:48 PM »

This is excellent.  It is very Vidna - circa 'Near the Flogging Landscape', like Joe R said.  Which is probably my fave vidna period.
But at the same time, the influence isn't overbearing. 

Beautiful.  A lesson in simplicity, and non-orchestration.  And yeah, ignore the visuals. 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Discovering New Labels
« on: March 02, 2009, 11:51:17 PM »
I am curious to know what forum members think about the idea of deliberately annoying music, as in those releases that seem to be striving to be avant-garde or different, but think that the way to this goal is just to be insanely annoying. I would start a separate thread, but I've encountered this concept in some recently discovered new labels (which will remain unnamed until further assessment), so it fits in this thread. Do you think there are fools out there just taking the piss out of us listeners? I have heard some stuff recently that just straight up angers me in its pretentious annoyingness.

An interesting question:  The idea of poseurs out there being deliberately annoying is something that makes me want to pick up a big stick and beat them around the head with it, but really people can do whatever they want with music- that's one of the great things about something not bound by the same rules as many other things in our society.

If music wasn't one of those big wild-west kind of places where you could do whatever takes your fancy, then i'd feel a bit depressed and I don't really think any musicians are being deliberately annoying, I think they may be making a statement about what we accept and what we don't accept in society, like death metal bands etc   They probably still enjoy what they do, even though it may be offensive and foul to the uninitiated.  Avant-garde on the other hand, I would say, is more of an artistic decision to test out ideas, experiments.  These people get away with a lot, because of the big word Art, but some of it can be very thought provoking, if not always listenable.

hmmm....I'd still call them wankers though.

Everything and Nothing / Re: List of words it is not OK to ever say
« on: February 27, 2009, 05:11:57 PM »
Yeah, lolspeak is rampant on forums and online games i guess, but it does seem to be waning, as people can now use the genre itself to undermine a poster's point/comment, so people with half a brain are less likely to use it. 

i think lolspeak has also evolved out of handy shortcuts in online communication/gaming, where there isn't always time to type exactly what you want.  (headsets are solved that to some extent), but people have started to verbally use the abbreviated texts, which is interesting.  'going afk'  or 'bio' (means you're going to the bathroom!!) are now common things to say if you're doing a bit of gaming and people are using headsets. 

another irritating shortcut is to say 'kk' instead of 'ok' took me a while to figure that one out.  it's the same number of letters, but you don't have to move your hand to the O key, so people use silly is that.  and now they say 'kk' instead of ok. 
We're really seeing strange little evolutions in language, i guess due to these highly detailed alternate worlds that people are starting to reside in.  It would be very fascinating to drop a non-gamer into a raid, and see just how much they understood. 

Everything and Nothing / Re: List of words it is not OK to ever say
« on: February 27, 2009, 02:21:09 PM »
Some more annoying phrases and stupid memes: some of these are newer but are rapidly becoming cliches.  A lot of these began on online games, and have begun to spread rapidly.

1. This thread is 'FTW'  (for the win, meaning it is awesome)
and its opposite 'FTL'  (for the lose)

2. also the habit of signing 'first' in forums, to indicate that you were the first to response....sigh.

3.  'epic fail' is a newer variant of FAIL, that is also kind of silly.

4.  marking a comment, is an evolution on the fail comment too: eg. 1/10

5.  O RLY (usually accompanied by a picture of a seagull)

6.  also, and I find this one quite funny if done well: starting a random conversation with "I'm not gonna lie..."

7.  "do you like stuff"

8.  "can I have your stuff?"

9.  "do you like stuff that is random?"

10.  "kthnxbai"  

11.  "unsub"  - which means, get off this game.

12.  "reroll" - no one likes you, change yourself

13.  "hai guise" - a very stupid one, which is just a greeting.
There are others that I can't recall, which I'll post if i think of them.

Now Playing / Re: Empire of the Sun
« on: February 26, 2009, 06:46:27 PM »
Speaking of Australian bands, did you ever hear of Skyhooks? :o

Yes, they're another fairly influential Australian band, who went on to influence later australian bands such as Custard.  They were never really my cup of tea, but they did write 'women in uniform' which as you will probably know Wayne, was covered by Iron Maiden.  A very unusual choice for maiden, I always felt.

Now Playing / Re: Empire of the Sun
« on: February 26, 2009, 02:20:36 PM »
Anyone closet Empire of the Sun fans? I really enjoy the sci fi novel look and the music is great. The youtube video is pretty fun also. I was curious, Deepspace, are these guys popular in Australia?

My kids LOVE this tune.


Yes, they are very big right now- everybody seems to love them.  The singer has been a bit of a critical darling here for a while- and his previous band The Sleepy Jackson, was also quite influential.  But they've really hit on an interesting feel this time, and are now breaking internationally.




Everything and Nothing / Re: Dreams
« on: February 16, 2009, 11:37:55 PM »
I could never put any validity behind a writer selling a book telling people that dreams symbolize...
I may have a dream about cars, but as far as representing the psyche, that would have a far different meaning for someone in Europe as opposed to someone in the southeast US.  In Europe, hardly anyone owns a car, whereas in the south, we start driving at 10.  Besides, what does getting a bunch of cars really mean to a newbie biker like me?  AND....spiders aren't insects.

Anyway...  The only thing that puzzles me about my own dreams is that there are never any hallways in buildings.  Rooms just exist next to each other.  I wonder what Freudian concept can be attached to such a thing.   Maybe the snake things mean that I am subconsciously ridding myself of my fears.

rain represents imagination and freedom to fertilize the dreamer's new project
Now, that's cool.

Yes, Wayne you have a point, but there are certain symbols across all cultures that are the same.  Spiders and snakes are a constant fear in all humans, in fact it's been said that there are certain evolutionary fears that all humans have, that have been cultivated over thousands of years, and spiders and snakes are two of them.  the part of the brain that registers these cannot speak to you, so chances are you don't even know that you have the fear.  Emotional memories are not just confined to your own brain- some memories stretch across generation- that's why a young child (old enough for these parts of the brain to be developed) will pause when seeing a spider. 

As to the validity of someone selling books about dream interpretation-  I wouldn't see it as a negative, and I also wouldn't dismiss it just because its someone's interpretation.  You know, things that can seem very subjective and interpretative can hold some amazing truths.  The metaphor isn't just some language construction.  It comes from deep within us.  It's how we understand the unknowable.

I have constant dreams about walking through old buildings, escaping from something- i never know what it is.  I always have to cross terrifying chasms, and I'm always end up on a little bike, going along a huge highway just as it's getting dark, and i know something is still following me. 
I suspect it's death. 

When I have time, I'll post one dream that kind of changed my life.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Dreams
« on: February 14, 2009, 03:28:34 PM »
I find dreams very fascinating.  I'm sure there are some people who may be able to correct me, as I'm only just starting my psyc studies, but there are a few different theories of why we dream.  One is:

The right hemisphere of the brain (perception, feeling etc) becomes dominant at night (or say when meditating, and I would add performing music), while the left side (language, structure, rules, society) kind of calms down during the night because of the lack of direct physical stimulus.  So without the 'boss' around (the "I" construct as Einstein called it sometimes), the right side comes out to play, and mental thoughts become more emotive, with more direct influence of the amygdala (which is where fear and emotional trauma etc is sent).

How amazing is that. 

I'm sure APK's wife could further enlighten and/or correct my interpretation of that.

There are other theories, that I don't feel up to explaining because I'm just at the start of all of this.

On a similar note:

One thing I realised though, when I started learning about the brain hemispheres, is just how important art is.  I guess that I 'thought' that I understood art and felt that it was important to me.  But I never understood WHY people do art- it was just something that people with dispositions similar to myself and my friends did.  And learning about the right side of the brain made me realise that art is an attempt to communicate this part of ourselves, the part we can't express properly through words.  When I walked through a modern art gallery recently, I felt like I understood more than I ever have, why some people need to make art.

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