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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Jorge Reyes (R.I.P.)
« on: February 10, 2009, 02:03:44 PM »
We seem to be losing too many great artists this year. 

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Childless couples
« on: January 30, 2009, 09:57:13 PM »
My wife Kim and I do have kids.  A 6 year old boy called Luka and Astrid, a little 2 year old girl.  We both come from working class background, and both of us had experienced family seperations and divorces as children. 

When we met back in 1989, we were both in bands, and both had quite dark feelings towards the idea of marriage, let alone kids.   We began to realise after a few years that our shared experience would create a very different world, in comparison to our childhood days.  And not only did we have two kids, but we even got married.

Now, I personally feel very different to the way I felt before I had kids.  It's pretty full-on having kids, but I can't imagine not having them now.  I can't even recall what I did with all of that spare time....But I know that I didn't feel like I had a lot of spare time pre-kids.  So, time becomes relative.  You just soak it in and adjust. 

I do envy childless couples.  With kids, you lose a lot of control.  Messy living rooms, crap all over the place...unwanted chaos/fights/sibling rivalry.  You have to swallow your pride, and compromise big-time.  But for some reason I'd be afraid to go back to pre-kid days now.  Stuff bubbled up that needed to bubble up, that couldn't have been resolved had we not had kids.  I also value my time a lot more now.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: R.I.P. - Klaus Wiese
« on: January 28, 2009, 02:57:47 AM »
yesterday has been the saddest day of my life, I was shocked. He died of a stroke. We've been friends for 12 years, we've been sharing thoughts and feelings, and his "non-musical" teachings are now the foundations of my life.
In the last 12 years Klaus spent a lot of time in my house, playing and listening to music, talking about Life and Mystery and Religion and Music. An immense loss.
May His Light Shine Forever

This is very sad.  I don't know much about him though- I would like to know more about his releases and ideas.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:13:59 PM »
What annoys me is when people are experimental for the sake of it.  I think music should be a reflection of yourself, the things you love, and your idiosyncrasies, while maintaining a healthy respect for the listener.

I take those who self-describe as "experimental" musicians to be ignorant of all that has gone before!

I'm outta here for 3 weeks holiday!

Enjoy your holiday! 


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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 23, 2009, 12:03:36 PM »
Brian Eno once said something to the effect of: every album you release has about 5% originality and 95% generic-ness, and that's ok.  So U2 go to some other other sources for inspiration, great!  Now I've heard of Sugimoto!  Remember, U2 were all over Eno in 1985... so they're allowed to have some 'gallery cool'

I also happen to think that your photography rocks!  The loscil 'plume' cover has been a fave of mine for a long time.

Eno once also said (though I'm neatening it up here) that it is better NOT to be out on the edges doing the cutting edge stuff, that he preferred to observe the work of those who do and pull it back to the centre. That's very true...if you're making pop music. The recent Daniel Lanois DVD was interesting because it showed just how reliant U2 are for any level of sonic interest in their music on Eno and Lanois. Meanwhile, Daniel must release his own non-commercial music at cottage industry level. Often, those at the edges are not the best judges of what is valuable in their work for a broader audience.

Thanks re. the Loscil shot. I love that one too. It quietly references two early graphic influences: Factory Records and Pink Floyd's Animals cover without beng an obvious "Bonofication". ;)

Yes, that's a great statement.  But I don't think the Eno quote pertains to just pop music though- I think it pertains to all good art.  Even experimental.  Famous (or infamous) music critic and thinker Adorno says that even musical experimentalism is quite conservative by its nature-  artists work in a genre, then naturally expand it at all sides.  The expansion is part of it.  It's what is to be expected.  It usually fits within the required format of 'surprising' the viewers perception (In no way am I saying this as a negative- just saying that it's a natural part of what humans do). 

To make an example of Eno's concept working within something that *isn't* pop music, have look at a Harold Budd album: you can predict what you're going to get: somber, beautiful, gentle music, usually piano, with some synths at times etc.  There are usually no big surprises, yet it satisfies his listeners because his stance in music (impressionistic/post-minimalism yet non-classical, willfully inhibited in a good way) is unique enough- maybe there's the 5%.  If he suddenly innovated the genre and added blaring saxophones and white noise, playing them loudly over his usual piano routines, then you *might* get something interesting, but chances are it may also be rejected by critics/listeners.  Yet the  originality factor would be higher then.  What annoys me is when people are experimental for the sake of it.  I think music should be a reflection of yourself, the things you love, and your idiosyncrasies, while maintaining a healthy respect for the listener. 


Right now, it is fairly typical for listeners to describe a musical work as being 'so original' when they really enjoy it.  Take another look, and you might find that the album wasn't quite as original as you thought, and it was the actual musical material (the melodies, the sound of the instruments, the mood, the freshness of approach) and even it's adherence to the genre it pertains to represent, that got you *in*.  The downside to this whole argument, is that some artists rely on this very phenomenon (high on genre, low on innovation), and don't put much creative spirit into their work, relying purely on generic cues to attempt to satistfy the listener, which usually results in music so bland that it gives the entire approach a bad name.
 


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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:11:42 AM »
Actually Mark,

Seeing you're a photographer, what are your feelings on music/image relationships and their sanctity?  What would you do if U2 came along and asked you to use an image that you had used for another artist?

I'm not doing this as a test of your artistic morality, but am curious.  I would imagine you would tell them up front that the item wasn't available right? 

Just what sort of weed was Sugimoto or his agent smoking then??

 



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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 23, 2009, 12:48:14 AM »
Certainly the photographer or his agent needs to weigh in on this vis-a-vis licensing issues.

However, Richard's work was done in close collaboration with the Washington, DC museum exhibiting the photographer's work and is obviously closely related to the images, designed specifically to be heard in relation to the images. Sugimoto was aware of this. Therefore it is a more cohesive and collaborative work of art. So IMO, the use of the image on Richard's CD deserves the "privilege".

Nothing U2 can record will have that. If they weren't so busy managing property they might find the time to realize that music has changed a great deal since Boy came out and that if they want "gallery cool" to be associated with their music they need to work harder at it.

Now, where's my copy of "He's So Fine"? No, wait, I meant "My Sweet Lord"!

As you said, the first union of images and music may have been intended for each other, and therefore sit together more (in the eye of the creators at least).  But I get the feeling that if U2 suddenly came along and were allowed to use this image, then either Sugimoto forgot, or didn't think that the relationship between image and music needs to be a one-time-only affair, and may have been happy to let others put sound to his image also.

It's probably far less serious than that though... He was probably happy to have any musical artist express an idea to his art, and heck, if U2 want try their hand, then crack open the champagne and let's play pin the mustacchio on the Mona Lisa. ;)

I do feel for the artist who thought it was 'their' picture, and then finds out that it's been given to others.  Bit like infidelity really.

As for the bit about U2 managing property, well, that's kind of what I was talking about- the minute someone becomes successful, it's assumed that the music has taken a backseat, and that their musical development becomes akin to property development.  ie.  buying/stealing ideas/styles from the underground.  I think everyone does that- I know I've taken bits here and there from the underground.  The fact that I live there doesn't make me less of a thief. ;)

The healthy balance is in that what you *don't* borrow, you make up. Brian Eno once said something to the effect of: every album you release has about 5% originality and 95% generic-ness, and that's ok.  So U2 go to some other other sources for inspiration, great!  Now I've heard of Sugimoto!  Remember, U2 were all over Eno in 1985... so they're allowed to have some 'gallery cool'

By the way Mark, I don't mean to piss you off. ;)  I do enjoy arguing with you, and I'm not trying to pick a fight. :)

I also happen to think that your photography rocks!  The loscil 'plume' cover has been a fave of mine for a long time. 




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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 22, 2009, 07:15:20 PM »
Loren and Mike,

I am in complete agreement with both of your statements.  And I'm glad you said that. 

I think the visual artist may have been the source of confusion here, not the musicians.  A lot of people may instantly privilege the more obscure artist over the stadium gods that U2 are, just out of an 'honour amongst thieves' ethos (for the lack of a better phrase).  But I'm glad that most of the arguments I have been seeing about this issue are sidestepping that, and trying to see things for the accident they might have been, and not instantly accusing the more well-known artist (like media might, just to get the reader's attention).

Another similar recent controversy was the Coldplay/Joe Satriani plagiarism issue:  http://defamer.com/5103189/joe-satriani-sues-coldplay-for-ownership-of-years-most-annoying-melody 

I'll be interested in people's opinions on this one.  My reaction took me a bit by surprise. 

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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 20, 2009, 06:11:24 PM »
There is plenty of bling in Hypnos already.  Obviously you haven't seen my grill.



OMG, you have an ear piercing!?

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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 20, 2009, 05:56:34 PM »
That's sort of the opposite of controversial.

Now, if U2 would do an uncredited ripoff of "Nervous Eclipse," resulting in me & Dave T getting notoriety plus big music checks, that would be cool.

And from then on, you become known as big MG(riff) and DizzyT.  The Hypnos name is changed to HIPnos, and gets some bling on it.
Furthermore, 'Amen' style beats are added to all existing hypnos releases.  Then, of course, U2 release their next album on the label to add a bit of spice to their new sound.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 20, 2009, 02:57:03 PM »
I'm thinking Hypnos contrives a similar controversy so we CAN get on 60 minutes! :)
Someone think of something controversial, quick! 



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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 19, 2009, 06:46:23 PM »
I've been listening to The Zombies a lot recently and in particular their album, "Odessey and Oracle" (Yes, the title was misspelt: long story there).  They are basically one of those bands that was just missed by the public, and never got the recognition they deserved.  If you're into psychedelic 60's baroque pop, then Odessey is one of the greatest albums you're likely to hear. 

Other stuff I've been listening to: The Action, another passed-over 60's mod pop band. 



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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach Starting Point ?
« on: January 19, 2009, 03:19:51 PM »
Yes, Roach is a master.  I was sitting here yesterday, listening to the first track on Arc of Passion "Moment of Grace" marvelling at the awesome chord progression at the beginning.  He uses some very sophisticated harmonic language there- massive extended chords and polytonality.  I wonder if he approaches it technically, and knowingly, or if he does it all by ear.  Not that it really matters, but I'm always interested by other people's compositional approaches.  Anyone know?  (I wonder if steve ever lurks on these forums...)

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That's very gracious of you Mirko, esp. since I apparently overlooked that Subantarctic Sessions was a 2008 release when I made my Best Of list - that should've been on it!  Grrr...my bad.  Hey, who says I can't put a top 11 instead of top 10 - I gotta go make an update right now....

Gosh, thanks!  Always honoured Phil.

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Excellent issue, and congrats to Mike (Fabrications) and Jesse (Sound Symbols) for featuring in the best of 2008 section!!! Go go Hypnos!

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Everything and Nothing / Re: "I am NOT a number"
« on: January 18, 2009, 01:13:53 AM »
I was just posting to Wayne (Oenyaw) about the delights (some would say horrors) or Iron Maiden, and I was going to comment about the fact that the lads wrote a song about "The Prisoner" on their 1983 album "Number of the Beast" right after seeing this thread- They gave it the rather imaginative title of, wait for it, "The Prisoner" but it's a pretty amazing little song that kind of rips your head off in a slow way.  Anyway, the reason I posted this, was because I just walked into a 7-11 and heard a cover of that very song.....This would not be so unusual, except I've never heard a public (radio,tv) performance of an Iron Maiden song, let alone a cover of one, anywhere, ever.  And to hear one while walking into a shop, buying a bottle of milk, just after thinking about that very song.... was pretty strange.  I guess that maybe it was being played because of the demise of the actor....but that's just too boring. ;) 

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How to stay interested in music?
« on: January 17, 2009, 07:56:06 PM »
Compilation, hell!   I've got practially every album.  (too bad I haven't found anything on vinyl)  Really want to see them, but they never come to the southeast.

That's what I thought.  I was being polite, just in case. ;)  You never know with some of these new gen maiden fans (Though it's not too hard to seperate the actual maiden fans from the new "I like the t-shirt" types).

I used to have a coloured vinyl copy of 'two minutes to midnight' that had a picture of eddie (iron maiden's beloved mascot) sitting in a battlefield, sucking on a cigar.  It would probably worth a quid or two today.  I also remember buying Somewhere in Time on vinyl and spending hours looking for funny little references on the cover.  Maybe we need a metal section on the hypnos forums. :)

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Hi from New Zealand
« on: January 17, 2009, 04:46:57 PM »
Hi Mirko - When I was young, my Mom had a friend/pen-pal in NZ and they'd send us
these stunning colour brochures and such of the mountains and countryside.
It always seemed very storybook to imagine living there.

BTW - I rarely compose from the moment I'm in (unless it's a jamming situation)
but just absorb and it all becomes part of the life-synthesis/jumble that oozes out later.
(Perhaps many years later.) We have started renting a cottage by the water
in last few years though - and I drag up my laptop, hard-drives, small speakers
and headphones and enjoy setting up by the lake (with a loooong extension)
and editing tracks, experimenting and following no serious agenda.  For me - that's relaxing.
Lynn snapped a photo here:  (It's no NZ but it's ours for 2 weeks)  :)
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3593/1204/1600/working%20Aug%2006.04.jpg

I laughed when I saw that photo- at the jolt of self-recognition I got from seeing you sitting there, doing the same bloody thing I'm trying to do. Ambient musicians are such curious creatures, trying to break down the barrier between their perception and their ability to express it via music.  That's a cool photo.  I especially like the beer sitting there...that can be great for inspiration too. ;)  I should have bought a setup like yours. :) We're in Queenstown right now...and it's just...words fail...hideously beautiful will have to do.


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Everything and Nothing / Re: Hi from New Zealand
« on: January 17, 2009, 04:41:30 PM »
Making music while on vacation?!  Well, you're one very dedicated musician...:)

Forrest

Maybe you're right Forrest, I'd never thought of making music being work....but dammit, maybe I should just have a holiday....
funnily enough, after writing my whinging email the other day, I started writing a couple of pieces last night.  Who knows where they might lead....


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Everything and Nothing / Hi from New Zealand
« on: January 16, 2009, 06:01:35 PM »
Hello from New Zealand

I've got a rare working connection here, so I thought I'd take advantage of it.  I'm in New Zealand on holiday (I'm normally from Brisbane, Australia), and just wanted to say hello to the hypnos folks.  It's amazingly beautiful here-  We're on the South Island, and so far we've driven from Christchurch, through Arthur's Pass (the most amazing scenery I have yet seen anywhere), Franz Josef, and now we're in Wanaka.  The scenery just gets more and more beautiful as we journey on.

The combination of 3,000 metre high mountains plunging into gigantic Azure lakes (that resemble oceans), as clouds gather and cast shadows on vertical cliff faces....is almost too much to bear.   It's just shockingly beautiful.  It's such a unique looking place- Imagine Switzerland, meets Middle Earth, meets Jurassic Park, and you're getting close.   I experienced a rather sublime moment this morning, kayaking along with my son Luka.  These freakingly huge mountains rising out of the lake....it made me realise how important travelling is, and how I need to do more of it.  I know that some of you climb mountains, and I'm suddenly very jealous.  I'd love to do something like that, but it's a bit hard with kids etc.  Someday.

As some of you might know, the reason I'm over here is to work on some new music (as well as have a holiday).  Well, I've had no luck yet.  I sit down at night with the laptop and keyboard, and....nothing.  I know that when I get back into my little studio at home, the music will start coming out- It's almost as if I won't let myself write music in inspirational settings.  :)  I don't quite understand why that is.  Maybe the combination of being on holiday and trying to write just don't mix.

I see there is another Mirko on the forum!  Hi Mirko!  Well that felt odd.  I'm used to being the only Mirko around.  :) 
Oh, and thank for some of the lovely responses to the album- I really appreciate it!

Anyway, gotta go. 

Mirko

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