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I have also thought Nektar was only integrated with Reason.

Was so long time ago I did try Reason.
Does it still have no vst support ?


Exactly Ekstasis - that was my point. Start small... and Mr. Rocket has already said he's leaning towards Mac which makes Garageband a perfect start.   

I'm fairly positive it comes with an array of synths and effects to get started with.

The name Garage band give such bad vibes about a audio program they really need to change that :)

Anyway Reaper is probably a better choice...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steaming services
« on: Today at 10:32:05 AM »
I do not like streaming services.

some of the reasons.

1. Money goes into wrong pockets and more middle hand is introduced here.
2. The quality is not satisfying
3. you must be connected to internet
4. The selection of music is terrible my favorite cds and music is not on streaming services. It is a bigger problem for albums that was released pre spotify.
5. Streaming services limit culture, people growing up today lives in the illusion that all music is on spotify.
Releasing all culture will never be possible to legal services because of legal reasons and labels that does not exist anymore.
6. People today grows up listening to playlists rather then albums, little do they know that spotifies "magic" properties to know what you like and select perfect playlist for you is much based on who have paid most to be features on more playlists, so in other words it is another type of advertisement in order for them to brainwash people to listen to music.
7. Streaming services makes people lazy and careless, they do not care about albums any more they do not care about sound quality anymore all they want is the flexibility and to push the play button then let it rest in the background and let the streaming services decide the music, the danger with this method is that music will always be a "background" just to fill the silence in the room.

I like Bandcamps model the most so far it is more album oriented, and you can choose the price you want to pay for many albums. You have still option to buy offline files and you can also if you want stream it.

I agree that digital format and non physical formats is here to stay but I do not like streaming services.
The artists need to get a lot more of the income, many artists I know have said they get so little so instead of getting ass fucked by spotify they prefer people download them from pirate bay.

Personally I do not agree that Spotify is a faster and more flexible way to listen to music,
sure it takes some time to build up a local library but if you have passion for music you have no problem doing that.

All in all I think streaming is just a stupid way to use internets resources.
Also I find more calm in my mind listen to local files I will not need to worry if the sound will start to buffer
or something like that. If you have a big local library with your favroite this will give you a superior way and flexibility to listen to your music, You can even make your own spotify and create your own server and this is not hard to do.

well as you suggest one can always learn to long hard way.. but getting some pointers in the right direction is probably good. The artist must find a way where it is inspiring to create music. Some find a more better connection with hardware and some with software etc some with pc and some with mac.

The most easy and cheap way to get start is with software and midi.
If you invest money do it in a good reverb first if you are going to create ambient music.
For me personally ambient without a good reverb is worthless for me, there is no ultimate reverb
all have different flavors if you have a few too choose from it does make it easier for you to mix certain flavors as your mind wants.

You can today produce good results with very little investment, how ever its important to stay inspiring too good effects good speakers and all that certainly help, high resolution speakers and effects also make it easier to mange the sound on a more detailed level.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: Yesterday at 12:27:02 PM »
There is many videos about the vip software
But this one is kind of good.  Hope you all understand the power of vip.

compared with the native instruments solution

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: Yesterday at 12:24:47 PM »
Yes but don't audiodamage have a point almost no plugins use the apple au template I am explaining to you why when given a choice vst Is usually a better option.
Then if it's  because plugin manufactures are lazy is another thing I just trying to explain the reality here.
I am just saying if you have a choice to use either au or vst there is no reason to use au format.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: Yesterday at 11:20:38 AM »
Thanks for sharing VST are faster.  It sounds like I can't use VST with Logic.  How much slower are the AU's?

AU's being slower then VST's is total bullshit, there is no proof to this. I use AU's all the time with zero issues, they are just fine. Ekstasis is making that up because he doesn't like Apple products.

This was written by the plugin manufacture AudioDamage.

AND FINALLY: This is only semi-related. I've lately noticed a lot of people that use Live as their main DAW, and don't have Logic at all, who use the AU instead of the VST. All our recent products are built using Sonic Charge's Symbiosis compatibility layer, and the AU is just a VST with an extra layer of crap on top to make it act like an AU. With commercial plug-ins, it is very rare for the plug to be a true AU. Almost all commercial plugs use some sort of compatibility layer or wrapper to create the AU, and you are nearly always better off using the VST, given the choice between the two.

I imagine that the reasoning behind using an AU in Live is that people think "well, I'm on an Apple. The AU must be better!!!" This is false. The AU is never better. Ever. You might like the preset mechanism more, but as far as Live's presets go, this is a transparent experience to the user, and thus moot. The only reason you'd have for using an AU in Live is if you want to make presets there and then use them in Logic or DP, or vice-versa. If you don't do this, use the VST.

 Also if you browse the forums with real world evidence please provide me the data which suggest AU (not made by apple) works better then VSTs ?

I have now heard the first song on the album as well I thought it was weak too.
All in all I did expect more.

Second song is still decent though.  But I thought Mario would put more effort into an album if it is a 19 year old comeback.

I think maybe the music in the video is taken from the new vortex album

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 28, 2015, 10:37:46 AM »
At this point I'm thinking possibly Logic, a Mac, VST,  a midi mixer/controller and a midi keyboard.

Just to be clear, Logic doesn't use VSTs, but AUs or Audio Units. They are basically the same thing, but if you buy any third party plugins make sure they make AUs. I think most do now but better to check first before spending any hard earned cash.

I most likely will start off simple and small and learn from there.  I kind of get the feeling like, I could buy a bunch of expensive stuff that I might not use and simply be overwhelmed.  Then forget about the important part, the enjoyment of creating music.

Smart move, learn what you have now, you can always add more when you feel the need. Good luck with your new creative path.  :)

AU will give worse performance though so VST is to prefer

I think if you start a good reverb is probaly the most inspiring thing.

I'd rather listen to Steve talk about his music than read descriptions, self penned or not.  Having had some in depth conversations with him back in the mid 90s, I was always impressed with his ability to describe the inspirations and  feelings about the music, in a very intelligent, visceral, insightful and almost poetic way.  His passion is really inspiring to hear.  Maybe the website CD descriptions can get a little samey, but as pointed out, it's a difficult to describe genre of music.  and I don't think there's any importance necessarily to sell or promote the music.  His fans are fans and they're gonna buy it regardless of a written blurb.

I also like his poetic and metaphoric way of speaking about his music, I wish the youtube clip was longer it is very inspiring for sure.
I wish a full time documentary was released like this.

I did buy the old VHS documentary

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Whatever happened to....?
« on: November 28, 2015, 07:17:11 AM »
Thom Brennan I think is underrated.
I hope he will release more music soon

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 28, 2015, 05:37:59 AM »
Remember the most important.

All is for nothing without a good reverb.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 27, 2015, 04:47:59 PM »
Any thoughts on all these suggestions, 'Johnnyrocket' ?

we are talking to the


considering it as an investment since it will become an collector item which you probably can sell on ebay for much more then what you gave in the future.

Well lets see who buy the book for that price.
what is expensive is very


his way of talking about the music himself reflects pretty much the way the album descriptions are written

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 23, 2015, 07:04:37 PM »
Lots of solid advice here Johnny Rocket,

If I were really into soft synths as you suggest you aspire to be I would serious consider the NKS system.  Native Instruments has a way of propelling everyone else into the future and their NKS platform may create a standard to come.

I think the VIP software that AKAI,Alesis and soon M-audio is is more flexible and better.
It works also on all vsts you do not need any spefici NKS format or such.
One good thing with NKS is though that you get "official" presets, while on with VIP
you will get presets made by the VIP developers. However they have said they have put a lot
of effort in to make the maps as good as possible for over 300 plugins they have done that manually.
If the plugin is not mapped it will auto assign parameters which will not be as good of course and can be rubbish in a lot of plugins
but atleast it does work compared to with NKS..

Well we see where the direction is going now.. deeper software integration..

Novation I wonder what they will have to offer... both NKS and VIP is totally new level of integration.
One alternative is that they will get an license to use VIP.. it is very possible...

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 23, 2015, 06:44:44 PM »
I use Reaper. It is fast and clean and no bullshit.
While the session view in ableton is good it is still little bit overrated since
You can do the same thing from midi and trigger samples that way.

One thing about making ambient with a DAW is that the actual DAW is off less importance since
this music does and should not rely so much on offline editing (besides this glitchy crap ambient)

Making ambient with your daw atleast for me
is more about setting up enough parameters with your midi devices to control your synths and plugins/daw in real time.
With your midi you can also control your daw. Once you know how your parameters react you can almost shut down your monitor
in ideal conditions. It is not easy to recrod and perform ambient live, but you need to realize that looping is probably the best way to do this, Robert Rich is a good example. only with 4 track looper you can do very interesting stuff and and because the loops does never meet each other in the same time the variation will be endless..especially if subtle changes are made.. biggest misstake when creating ambient is probably of doing to drastic and big changes.. when you put your headphones on laying in bed listening you realize it is all about the small changes in the soundscapes if you really sink in deep enough into the sound world.

The DAW can be a major distraction when creating trance inducing music, you want to be as far away from the "intellectual" state of mind as possible when you are floating with your soundscapes, being as far a way from your intellectual self will make you create deeper trance inducing  ambient and less superficial.

Anyway if you are trying to get away from getting stuck in your daw and want to do real time improvisation
I have not tried it myself but there is a program called VIP it is currently released on akai advance and Alesis VX series
This software is a fresh wind in the context of midi control.

If you think the Alesis synth look very similiar to M audio Code it is because it is because the same company own akai, m audio and alesis, that is why all 3 companies will use VIP software in future.

Using VIP you can record music with all your soft synths and midi keyboards and surfaces without any daw at all.
in fact.. you can split up your keyboard so certain zones play lets say the plugin omnisphere zone 2 will play Native instruments Monark.
You can use mutple plugins for the same zone/keys too. Only your cpu sets the limit..(Broadwell-E with 10 cores is released 2016 Q2)
Of course all this can be done in DAW already but look on you tube the whole work flow is very simplified.

You can control the plugins completely from your midi synth display which is kind of slow (unsure if it is possible to connect your ipad or such to get bigger touch surface for the display it would be the ideal)

The Alesis VX49 is pretty much a m-audio code but with Alesis logo plus VIP software.

I am not saying that VIP is the prefect thing but it is certainly a fresh wind into the midi market and considering most people use software these days this is really important. If you want to see how it works just use youtube.

I would most likely buy the ALesis synth if it wasn't for the fact that M-audio have promised a more high end series which will also include VIP software in about 2 months, considering how good the M audio Code is it is simply worth waiting for, hopfully they will not make me wait 2 years like behringer did with their "motör" with its motorized faders  which never seem see the light of day...


I do not agree with Deepr, I have always thought the cd deceptions are very good and inspiring I can understand some people think they sound very pretentious, but I think the words in the descriptions describe the metaphysical sound worlds very good.

So yes in steve's case I think the descriptions are justified.
I think they are mostly written by his wife, but I am unsure of this.

What is worse is when labels try to write descriptions they are usually
written in a way so to make it more easy to sell.
Also if you ad a beautiful and epic photography which make you think the music
is just as big and epic I am very tired against, they try too much into making it like a "product package"

With description like and professional photography and packaging you can make an non professional music release look professional.
I see this too much..

What is worse is these labels who release audio visuals on youtube to promote a certain album.
With visuals it can bring the illusion that the music have more content that what can be heard on its is just a simple trick to fool the brain.
I have experienced this many times where I thought a track was very good on youtube with the visuals but dead and boring with the album.

Yes so when doing artworks I think you should think it thru.. too many use a "professional" photography which does not reflect the music at all, it is just made there so it looks good in the catalog and make it more sellable, cause believe or not if you have two cds one with a beautiful photography and one with a low profile photo which does not give much hints of the content you will choose the first one.. we are kind of superficial in this way..

On the other hand it would be boring if all cd covers was just black or white nothing at all.. but a good artwork should atleast be done in away
that it reflect the music which is not easy of course.

I'm not sure what to do with this topic.

I've heard from a few people who think Sanjay Nadeem is not a real person, but I have seen no proof.

On the one hand, if these releases are unauthorized, I feel that the community deserves to be warned. On the other hand, if there is no proof, the accusation cannot be allowed to stand.

It isn't enough to say "I don't think Sanjay Nadeem is real." Someone must be able to offer proof that whoever owns the rights to Klaus Wiese's work does not approve these releases. If they can't do that, we have to delete this topic, even if the whole Arc thing looks like it may be suspicious.

There is proof beyond all reasonable doubt. Please keep in mind  that the person behind the label is "anonymous" but there is both technological evidence,
Also there is people have had very close contact with Klaus for 25 years, and such person know for sure when it's made up, the whole label is a made up scam imo. "ARC" have close contact with Thomas Weiss label to further prove the statement, same cover art and advertising videos designer.
You need to be very blue eyed if you really think this in

Thomas Silence really says everything I need to know.

People who known Klaus for a big majority of their life know this is just bullshit.

Also to make sure Mathias have done none statements in this thread

Klaus did not give any permission to this

" Previously unreleased material will also be made available. Because of some very critical sound issues on the original releases, all albums were remastered to archive the best sound quality by erasing those errors, which mainly had their source in the restricted recording technologies available at the time. Also, each release comes as a luxurious digipak with completely new artwork.""

who is he to claim that the orginal relases hade critical sound issies ? his disrespect once again shines thru here yet again.
It is quite obvious there is people who here have want to make profit of the dead,  Klaus did not  ask for new artwork or for some one else to modify to make any "über superior versions". Why new artwork ? what is wrong with the orginal artwork ? It feels like there is a few people hear trying to make some kind of career  thru a dead persons life work and success. Feels nothing more like a total ego trip just satisfy their own satisfactory and greed.

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