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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: May 31, 2014, 11:05:59 AM »

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: What synths did Oöphoi used?
« on: May 15, 2014, 08:30:40 AM »
Just a few personal notes based on work experiences:

I was working with him on 2 projects…one was to contribute on a compilation and the other one was about a RMX of a track he did with Klaus Wiese.

He clearly wasn´t up to date with technology and didm´t had knowledge of using it correctly. As for the contribution: he finally "adjusted" the track by volume in a weird way by decreasing the volume to approximately -8 db. For the Rmx it was even more complicated as he didn´t know how to handle file transfer properly. In both cases it ended up that he treated those files within his setup and it ended up to have them re-converted (!) on his mixing setup. I can clearly tell, that the sound of both files in the final result were heavily suffering by wrong technical treatments. Finally the Rmx was never released, as i told him that i can´t accept the bad technically quality of his treatments he made on the original file.

For the equipment: he did own a lot of synths over the time, but from all of our discussions we had, i clearly felt it wasn´t a pure believe concerning the options and possible sounds you can create by was much more based on a "gear lust" because it was very easy for him to afford any of them.

I assume most people don´t like to hear this, but i do believe into balancing things, when someone had the chance to have a closer insight view.


I do not how this is relevant at all ?  The only thing that is relevant is his the output not the process. In my book he still rise above most ambient artists and he is in the top 5 for me.  His music had really strong qualities and abilities to dissolve your mind and conciousness and take you to inner places you never been before.

Regarding remixing the file maybe it is about taste,  For me oophoi had a more lo fi vintage sound too, maybe he did want to have that character instead of the first maybe more clean mix.   But I can understand what you mean, but sometimes it is not always what sounds the "Best" that is the best"  to dirty things up and make them sound more lo fi to create and different atmosphere can be desirable.  So using incorrect technical methods in the remixing process can be creative and good.
I use a lot of stuff in my chain which would be considered non-correct according the the school book.

I would love to have heard the final and the original mix and see which I like most, I have a feeling that it is a bout taste..
I am a big fan of Asianova but I can understand that most ambient people just think it sound bad.. for me it sounds amazing..even though very lofi.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: What synths did Oöphoi used?
« on: May 12, 2014, 09:59:27 AM »
he also used Orville and h8000fw in the end I remember. He was quite overwhelmed by the h8000fw reverbs  I remember from his old posts.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Backup?
« on: May 11, 2014, 06:47:33 AM »
Also I have been thinking about backupping final mixes to some cloud service maybe.. it can be good to have an  external backup, in case of a fire or something. As always with Cloud service it is recommended to encrypt your data if you do not trust the NSA.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: What synths did Oöphoi used?
« on: May 10, 2014, 09:10:48 PM »
I am pretty sure he did use Oberheim too..
Maybe go thru his old posts on the forum, he was quite active on this forum, I am sure he did mention the synths he did use.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Handmade synthesizers
« on: May 09, 2014, 03:17:02 PM »
It's a sort of tone generator. It's hand made by this guy:

pretty cool..I will look into his stuff..

not expensive either.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Handmade synthesizers
« on: May 09, 2014, 02:54:26 PM »
looks cool..and fun..

the red stuff in the second video that is some kind of controller ?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Backup?
« on: May 08, 2014, 10:50:49 AM »
I have my recordings on a usb stick as backup. And on multiple hdds in case some hdd crash.
I have learned my lesson, to many times I have lost a lot of my music..there is no worse feeling when you loose some works you have been working really hard on and that is not able to do again.. But my hdds are usually a total mess so with that said often I forget to keep doublets of the files.

Thanks guys for lsitening in, I hope you enjoyed it.

I think I only heard the last song, but I think it was a quite long one, sounded good!
Nice to hear your voice at the end of the album!

It sounds great Loren!

I agree!  Lorens drones never disappoint

I am tuned in I am too ;)

It is on right now so you tell me.  ;D

I am listening now! :)

when is it swedish time ? :)

Welcome to the forum, almost all ambient artists I like use the old school method, maybe this method also reflects in the music output  also..

From what it sounds from you should focus to have as much external gear and effect processors and samplers as possible to be able to perform in real time.  You can watch robert Rich on youtube he have a quite inspiring work flow and he does all in real time with samplers layer per layer with external effect processor, I myself prefer to this route. so Yeah, a good effect processor and a good sampler is probably what you are looking after.

There is many ways to approach ambient music, for some people the technical aspect and the science of syntehsis is very important and is the driving force while some people prefer to just close their eyes and let their ears guide them, personally I prefer the later method, the only thing that matter is what comes out.

The big difference now days that is a lot of ambient artists use offline edition and cut and paste method,
Personally I perfer the old school way where all is done in real time improvisations.

I think in your case the choice of effect processor and reverb will be the essence since this tools are what will transform simple sounds into ambient worlds.

Lexicon Reverbs are very popular in the ambient scene exist in both software and hardware form, the PCM 91 you can get for good money.

Eventide is good for all kinds of effects in general, H3000 you can find for good money used, same with orville.

Some people prefer TC electronic reverbs I know Opphoi did like them, I know Robert Rich and I think also Loren Nerell like Sony reverbs.

Personally I have no favourite, I like both Eventide and Lexicon they complete each other, it is really a matter of preference, when you use different tools you will create your own preferences after some time.  Bricasti M7 is regarded on of the best for realistic reverbs, how it is for ambient and longer decay reverbs I am not sure.

Regarding DAW and streamlined flow.
Ableton Live is done for live performance with it's session view it is easy to trigger and record samples.
I think the latest Sonar X3 have something similar.

the session view is the only thing I miss in Sonar, but you can do the same thing with a sample manger plugin in reaper for instance.

sounds good! as always I am realling looking forward to hear your cds Loren!

I love these two new CDs. They are the sonic equivalents of chocolate cupcakes. Yum.

I wish I could share the same experience a joy as you...
I can recommend this album, especially cd2.. this music touches on an emotional level.
Also have better sonic quality then roach last phase of outputs.

Suspension and Reflection/Below and Beyond are on this cd

I have been into steve roach since 2005, 11 years, I was very disappointed in both cds. I fail to grasp it's essence.  I do not like the sound of steve roach, I have noticed every since Dynamic stillness his ambient soundscapes have am more "dark character" more "dark rumble"  for me personally I wish he did cut of a lot of this darker bass energies and focus on the higher and lighter sounds. The "bass" frequency acts more as an distracting element.  I think Oophoi made some kind of statement of it, regarding dark ambient artists.. about this dark "bass rumble" that is just  for me the bass in ambient is just an energy has no real interesting sound detail...
I am just seeing on my spectrum analyzer that steves latest phase albums have cut of the high end quite a lot while the bass frequencies are now more dominant , it just make it sound more muddy and less sound details.

I am convinced that he is using different equipment nowdays then before which explain why he sound different now, most likely a new mixing board, a new studio,  I do not see a progress in steves music since 2008, to me it has gradually gone worse..anyway.. I am always interested when he release a new cd you never know when he will release a masterpiece again.  But considering his last albums the last cople of years have more or less sounded the same I hope he will experiment with different gear and reverbs.  His reverb had a lot more "open" and wet  sound before while now the high end is cut of heavily and his reverb sound a lot more "dry". The big change in his sound  after 2008, with his album dynamic stillness.

I think if just some of his later albums released after 2008 was just remastered or remixed with a more open reverb sound no HP/LP filters (most importantly no low pass). I have just experimented with just adding EQ which make big improvement when making the mix more brighter with more higher frequencies .

So to summarize I am not a big fan of Steve roach later phase album after 2008 which a lot more darker and more dry sound character with a bigger focus on the darker and lower parts of the sound spectrum and "bass rumble"

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: April 20, 2014, 02:23:24 PM »

Impressive... some of the sounds manage to sound a lot like EMT plate reverb.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: April 05, 2014, 06:53:11 AM »

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