« on: December 08, 2013, 05:03:54 PM »
This totally reminds me of gearslutz now. A product is not out yet, has no published specs and no one has heard it...but it must suck! Ha ha really?!?
Do not believe the hype until you see it , I am more interested in synths that push the quality of sound instead of focusing on all other crap. If you want to believe the hype of all "new" then be my guest. but especially with synths I know each year more crap of the same is released.
I find this quest for mediocrity fascinating by the way, you must really like to swim in these waters... as I Told earlier if you did listen, you can make even a bad synth sound good, with right processing, but it is nothing to be fascinated about a synth with mediocre sound, should we applaud them and be hyped over that ? All I am saying I think the synth market is doing a really bad job, when synths 25-30 years ago sounds better then today for instance. Synths today have become more advanced flexible and easier to control and program but the pure sound of OSCs and Filters etc have gone backwards I am just huge disspointed with the development in general, it is all about fooling people to buy their products now days, with different advertisement tricks to manipulate us to believe how revolutionary it is. A lot of people today live in the illusion that the newest synth is the best, while the only reason it might sound better is because of more high quality internal effects.
So to summarize there have no real development with synths the last 25-30 years when it comes to the sound of ocs and filters etc, the development is more about making it possible to control synths in a digital way..and that is very important I think..I would personally not want a synth that is not digitally controlled, I want a hybrid synth. For that reason I think I would not go bad to 25-30 years, people buy these old synths because of the pure sound, also that old synths tend to often be more perform friendly often more knobs, todays synths has this quest to have as few knobs as possible and all modulation "magic" should be done with this magic mod wheel which you can "put up and down"
Synths are such a personal thing there is NO way to really label one good or bad. The minute I say oh that synth sucks or I hate soft synths or ipad synths or what ever, I usually have to eat my words because I will end up at a music festival or hear an album done with one of the offenders and it will blow me away.
once again almost all synth can be made to sound good, to a certain level, most synthscan be made to make music... that is not my point... I am just against this quest of medicore sound and let people fooled by all this superficial stuff,
Synths are instruments and their success or failure is in the musician. Now one may not resonate with you, but thats ok. Does not mean it sucks.
well it is true to a certain limit, but at the same time you exaggerate. The limit is based on what sound you are after, not every synth can capture the soul of another synth, especailly not a digtal synth that tries to sound analogue . As I said to a certain limit your statement is true. I have only comes close to the sound xpander with soft synths, I come close enough but it still sound different, without doubt. So the sound of these OSCs and Filters does matter... just a musicians thinking power will not change these laws. Of course in digital land it is easier... but virtual analogue is more tricky.
Can you tell a guitarist that a strat is better than a tele is better than a les paul??? No. Is Fender better than Gibson or PSR or Rickenbacker??? No its all preference based on sound, feel, brand loyalty and more.
You are right, totally right here, about the guitars. Same goes with synths, but I would maybe not agree with the loyalty cause synth manufactures have done more radical changes during the years, a strat is still the same since the 60s but roland is not etc...same goes with all other synth manufactures.
Every time I have bought a synth based on what I hear others doing with it, I am usually disappointed...that is unless and/or until I take the time to dig into it and make it my own.
same...here.. well most synths are useful to make music, I am just against this hyping and this total "facination" of medicore sound, I use alchemy mostly for ambient, does it sound good ? no it sound total shit, but with my processing I have no problem to make it shine and sound good.. but should I hype this product and be very fascinating of it ? no.. takes a lot of effort to make it sound the way it does..
I just think we should have higher demands of synth manufactures.. especially on the sound.. it is just that they do not care about OSCs and Filters anymore cause they think all can be fixed with the internal effects and processing of the synth... this is just my opinon. of course I exaggerate and generalize too much there is always exceptions but I look at the market as a whole and most important what all the big synth manufactures has been doing the last years.
As to synth manufactures, a huge factor for them comes down to one thing most of the time and thats "who will buy this, and how many will I sell?" Its that simple.
So its awesome in these rare times when someone says, "hey I'll try something new!" maybe it will succeed, maybe it will never get off the prototype stage or maybe the technology gets absorbed into a future model, but its still cool.
I can't wait to see what this one turns into as the guy has a great track record.
yes it is good with new ideas, unfortunately the sound quality comes always last in the develop process of synth.. ideas comes first... cause new ideas sells more, cause people get fooled by the new cool things and that it is the "latest thing"...
think in a lot of ways...they are just trying to fool people to buy their products.. in many cases it is like that.. it is still a quite small nish market with the people who demand really high quality oscs and filter sounds etc..so if Roland would make an really good sounding but "boring" basic synth it would probably not sell in enough numbers and would probably be more expensive to produce because of the analogue sound chain. Cash Is king.