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Have you released some albums? I would like to listen to you work. here is one recording I have done 4 years ago.

Have you released some albums? I would like to listen to you work.

I am just like you who is in the process of building a studio step by step. I have a lot of material in demo level that I want to record, now with My eventide I can get the exact guitar sound I want so it helps me a lot.
In the coming 6 months I will mostly work, I have two jobs a full time day job but I also work at night some days so some days I will work double which I guess is quite inhumane, all to save up for new gear.  There is still a few more things I need, I do not have microphones yet, I want also a microphone do record my own field recordings, a new pre amp, a di box, a bass guitar to record bass to my tracks, a new 6 string guitar since I only have a 7 string (28.5  inch) which limit me to make certain type of music.

 and a lot of more, but the important part is that I keep on writing a lot more demos, I have no real stress since my only vision is to get it as perfect as I can.  I have a few "big"  "life projects" I aim to do which I have had in my head for many years..   ambient is only one of my interest, I like extreme metal and a lot of other music..

If you send me a PM I can send you an ambient recording or a few if you are interested.

Also with that said even if I would had record multiple albums it is not likely I would even tell you since I Want to keep some things confidential as you might understand.  Many of my favourite bands are of "unknown" identity for some of my projects I prefer this approach since it does takes away the focus from all non relevant also takes away some distracting elements for an artists.  I do music all for myself, all I can say I am eager now when I got more tools to use to finally try to record all my demo material I have saved up for so many years.  My ambient music feels not so private so  I have no problem to share publicly.

So anyone with 5k for the eventide and a tin can can become an ambient artist? :)

Any one can become an ambient artists despite budget, gear or invested money. But I think there is no coincidence
that most of the ambient artists I personally like use Lexicon and Eventide gear, I guess it simply about preference what sound you prefer.  You seem to have that opinion that not every one can be an ambient artist or audio sculptor ? That is kind of patronizing opinion  in that case nothing I stand by since I think everyone can be an artist or musician according to his her owns ability.

I can only talk for myself personally, but I have been on the quest of getting the sound
I am looking after. I have gone thru different milestones,  when I got my Lexicon reverb a new universe did open up for sure, and I was unable to live without it honestly, using other things seemed like going a step back, when you reach that next level it is very hard to go back...
When I got it made me a lot easier to get the sound I wanted, and I could easily identify the "lexicon" character which I heard in steve roach albums for instance. I can only talk for me personally again but for me the eventide is one more milestone for me on my personal path to reach my musicial vision, with this unit I think most bits will fall to place from what I have been missing, I want personally for my personal stimulation have something that makes myself stimulated , I have come close with multiple plugins but the eventide effects is just for me hands down a big step up in all regards...and with that self regarding getting stimulated, this is a process also, it gets harder and harder to get stimulated you always strive for better and better sound, the solution for me was the Eventide, and I knew this already 2007 but it was not to 2013 I actually bought it.
I am happy for myself I did decided to invest this money...I will not regret it I have the feeling it might be my best buy since it will help me with all kinds of sound processing and just making music more "fun" in general to do with a better satisfaction experience.

Some great sounding presets, to be sure. They definitely inspire ideas. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you, for listening and your comment/feedback!

Yes you are right about the inspirational factor... the eventide is really good in that sense in giving inspiration but also good tools to realize your ideas and a kind of flawless and effortless manner in real time.  I like that I can make music in real time, just like if it was a live session,  cause I want to keep this "flow" which is harder to reach or to get it to feel "authentic" when you cut and paste at least for me personally. Robert Rich and Steve Roach, other ambient musicians did inspire me to buy this unit, it seem most of my favourite ambient artists work this work flow with recording in real time as much as possible. I have been using Lexicon reverbs for a long time now, but I guess I will start using the eventide Reverbs more now..however I would say that either is better I think they complete each other in fact they both have unique properties.

You have Skype Altus ?
If any one likes to talk gear, musical recording ambient or anything feel free to add me on skype..
I do not have much people on my skype to talk with about these stuff..

Impressive it makes us think you are actually good :)

I've read a story about some guy that plugged an old nintendo to the eventide h8000 and the most amazing ambient came from the 'blip-blip'sounds.

it is spelled "r-e-v-e-r-b" , magic can happen when you have long decayed reverbs, and this time it is a lot of pitch shifting which makes it sound like "pads" with the reverb.  The delays helps gives spatial effects accross the 3D space.

 I am not surprised that nintento sounds can make it sound like good ambient with a good reverb, that is my experience previously with my Lexicon reverb, that you can make pretty much EVERY sound into a good ambient piece...  it is not so much about the source but the actual result which becomes the new form.

I have finally after a few months starting to use the Eventide, I am still trying to learn how to use it, since it is a quite complex machine I must say, I really have to study the manual.

but anyway I did play around with some presets for about 10 minutes, it was just a quick demonstration for a friend on skype (if I  knew I would post it here I would probably make it more ambient oriented)..but why not share it with you too.. with some slight modification such as increased decay times change LP/HP filter.
My guitar has really old strings and is not intonated , and also the string height is too high so it is really hard to play it..
but that is not what it is about, just want to share how it sounds. Before I bought it I had big problems to find samples..

I can record more later,  I can play some music through it it too thru digital AES input.

I use Kemper amp and dual stero analogue into eventide then into rme hdspe aes (Eclipse AFC clock) at the computer then processing added.

Quote from: Immersion

trust me studio reference "sound" can sound both good an accurate.  With headphones the amp plays a big role which gives every one different experiences.  accurate is not = boring and flat sounding.

I use a DT770 (250 Ohm) which in a price range available for many people and they sound extremely close (frequency and spatial balance) to my Neumann monitors even by using the headphone amp of my monitor controller (also tested on the sound card).what im doing wrong?  ;D


My DT880 pro when doing A/B test with monitors sounds very close to to my HG3 monitors which both have flat frequency response , but it is mostly the frequency curve that is similar, so it is easy to fool yourself when doing quick A/B tests.
So they sound very close in that regard. But I have tried enough headphones to know that headphones have it's strengths and weaknesses, that is why I am looking for a more high end headphone.  I do not have the same 3D sound in my DT880 like in Sennheiser HD 800 for instance..  I also miss a more "sparkling "  treble,  I guess the mids and bass is ok.. but DT880 is strange they sound so different with different kind of music, they can sound very full and amazing with some music and not very impressive with other styles of music, I would not recommend them for ambient music. I am using my Antelope Eclipse Headphone amp currently.

I have never heard the DT770  so I can't comment on them to be honest.
But the rumours says they are for people who prefer more "bass pressure".
I am not a bass guy, I tend to focus my ears on the upper range but what I want is a well balanced headphone.
With non excessive bass, big bass does not impress me.

I love these two new CDs. They are the sonic equivalents of chocolate cupcakes. Yum.

I wish I could share the same experience a joy as you...
I can recommend this album, especially cd2.. this music touches on an emotional level.
Also have better sonic quality then roach last phase of outputs.

Suspension and Reflection/Below and Beyond are on this cd

I have been into steve roach since 2005, 11 years, I was very disappointed in both cds. I fail to grasp it's essence.  I do not like the sound of steve roach, I have noticed every since Dynamic stillness his ambient soundscapes have am more "dark character" more "dark rumble"  for me personally I wish he did cut of a lot of this darker bass energies and focus on the higher and lighter sounds. The "bass" frequency acts more as an distracting element.  I think Oophoi made some kind of statement of it, regarding dark ambient artists.. about this dark "bass rumble" that is just  for me the bass in ambient is just an energy has no real interesting sound detail...
I am just seeing on my spectrum analyzer that steves latest phase albums have cut of the high end quite a lot while the bass frequencies are now more dominant , it just make it sound more muddy and less sound details.

I am convinced that he is using different equipment nowdays then before which explain why he sound different now, most likely a new mixing board, a new studio,  I do not see a progress in steves music since 2008, to me it has gradually gone worse..anyway.. I am always interested when he release a new cd you never know when he will release a masterpiece again.  But considering his last albums the last cople of years have more or less sounded the same I hope he will experiment with different gear and reverbs.  His reverb had a lot more "open" and wet  sound before while now the high end is cut of heavily and his reverb sound a lot more "dry". The big change in his sound  after 2008, with his album dynamic stillness.

I think if just some of his later albums released after 2008 was just remastered or remixed with a more open reverb sound no HP/LP filters (most importantly no low pass). I have just experimented with just adding EQ which make big improvement when making the mix more brighter with more higher frequencies .

So to summarize I am not a big fan of Steve roach later phase album after 2008 which a lot more darker and more dry sound character with a bigger focus on the darker and lower parts of the sound spectrum and "bass rumble"


How can any piece of equipment sound 'boring' :)

something that sounds non dynamic, non 3 dimensional, non-alive/organic, non detailed, lack of transients and transient detail,

The headpones I have tried so far does complete each other, but I would love to try
headphones that meets all criteria, since the price is not a real problem anymore I guess it will be easier.

An 'accurate' headphone, isn't intended to sound 'good' as such. They are intended to reproduce the source material accurately.

When I use my Shure E500s and SRH840s for mastering, everything initially sounds hard and middley, as I'm used to using a pair of phones with a 'smiley eq' frequency response on a daily basis (for comfort and sound isolation) and my ears have gotten used to their sound signature.   

trust me studio reference "sound" can sound both good an accurate.  With headphones the amp plays a big role which gives every one different experiences.  accurate is not = boring and flat sounding.

The difference this time is I have no strict budget, since I am ready to spend money for a high end headphone in the price range of K812

I had beyerdynamic for many years - then got a pair of Grado 325si - I'd highly recommend trialling these too.

I have had the chance to try the Grado, I know one place in my town who got them..I should maybe try them.

I want to point out, it is not a problem to sound headphones that sound extremely good, the hard part is to find headphones which sounds both good AND have accurate with good measurements. Using them for studio use they are simply useless without them being accurate you can't mix with them.. I do not know how flat and accurate the Grados are, but I know they are highly regarded on HiFi forums. 

I have AKG K702 Reference Studio Headphones and love them. The high end is perfect in my opinion, the overall range 10Hz to 40KHz.

as I stated k812 and k701 have 0% in common :)
but I am glad you liked your k702.  Around the same time k702 was released I did a lot of research I ended up
with the Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro. I find this very good for guitar driven music like metal.
But for electronic music I want new headphones. Well I guess it was about 8 years ago I bought my DT880 it is high time to look into alterntives and buy a new pair but yet this many years later there is no "obvious" choice.
I guess if Beyerdynamic release some headphone for studio use with tesla drivers I will be very intetreted the T1 sounds more "good" then "honest" perhaps.  But my DT1350 have tesla drivers I really like the fast transient response in these, all details sounds very fast and clear.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: April 20, 2014, 02:23:24 PM »

Impressive... some of the sounds manage to sound a lot like EMT plate reverb.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: April 05, 2014, 06:53:11 AM »

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: April 01, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
I'm going to invest in a RME ufx, drivers seem more reliable, usb recording, more solid construction.

RME UFX is a solid solution, as you mention they have very solid drivers the best in the world. But regarding Performance Antelope will win big time.  RME is not known for their converters mainly their drivers, I think it also depend on are you aiming to use extremely low latency settings ? then you would for sure want RME drivers.
Regarding Performance, Antelope has their own special designed USB chip not a third party chip which take full advantage of the bandwidth. Regarding latency as usual with USB interfaces they are little bit optimistic since usually you are starting to get missounds or dropouts with lower latency settings.

If you want low latency in fact I would not recommend USB at all, you could get best of both worlds if you invest in a  RME RAYdat PCIe card for get a fast connection with your Zen studio.

Regarding specs of Antelope Zen studio, it seem a lot of missinformation has been floating around before the release, in fact the box is still under development so final specs are yet not known. It will most likely not have a relay stepped monitor controller as said before, antelope have confirmed the clock is based on trinity clock not the OCX clock as said earlier... If it did have 70 relays like Eclipse then it would be crazy..

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 10:13:08 AM »
I stand by what I said about Paypal - they take a cut from everyone, all those ebay sales - everything. They are rolling in it.

Yeah paypal is almost unusable if you ask me. it is ok as a buyer for small sums.. but not for bigger sums then the fee rate gets absurd. As a cd seller on Ebay the paypal fee takes away all profit margins whick makes it almost meaningless .  I do not even understand why everyone use paypal anymore when there is so many similiar services but with better rates..I wish more did boycott it.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:17:02 AM »
Audio quality is far from stellar on YouTube, but for the purposes of sampling or discovering music, it's certainly good enough.

I don't agree that sites like PayPal and Bandcamp are greedy for taking a cut. They're businesses. They have overhead costs and staff that need to be paid. This money has to come from somewhere.

Regarding Bandcamp, their pricing structure is very fair. By the way, they only take 10%, which is ridiculously low.

Last time I checked it was 30% I guess.. it is lower now then good..10% is humane.. but payal takes probably another 10% .. I did read paypal is going to have extra high fee for music album sales also..  Paypal are greedy.
They must become very rich I really wonder what they do with all that money.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:15:00 AM »
Yeah, Youtube's audio quality is very poor, but I think that it shows that we live in an increasingly visually orientated culture, where people (the majority of ?) prefer to listen to music with a visual element.

You are right about that! I must say I dislike since it is a cheap trick to fill essence into the music.. the music should create the pictures inside for you.. that should be enough..  Many times I have found certain music or songs been boring but with a visual element they become interesting..  Record labels are using this cheap trick to promote new music..

If you have plans to make a living of your music you should probably be wise and choose a genre that attracts a wider mass.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 07:25:55 AM »
Youtube does not offer anywhere near cd quality so if you ask me you are not hearing the "full product"
If you upload uncompressed audio the sound is more acceptable though but the big majority of uploads are double compressed.
Me as an artist would probably mostly dislike the audio quality since they are not hearing the real product just some over compressed version of it.
And especially for ambient it is impoartant.

Youtube  great resource to find and explore new music... a very big percent is copy righted material on youtube or internet in general
People do copy these days just like people did copy music with cassette tapes I jut think it is a reality that we just have live by despite if you see it as an opportunity or catastrophe. Streaming services like Google Music and Spotify is not much better for the artist then having their music on youtube, only artist who sell very big quantities can make the money niche music like ambient could never substancial money on spotify or Google Music cause the provision you get from each listen is too microscopic.. it is not really the solution either and is probably as bad as piriting if you ask me the money gets in the wrong pockets and the consumers are throwing money into the sea. Bandcamps concept I find most appealing that I can choose the price myself, but I would prefer to donate directely, bandcamp takes 30% of the cash, which is greedy, if I donate with paypal the fees are quite high too.. I wish there was better ways to buy music without middle hands taking the money. Also Bandcamp and other site I think use paypal to send money to their artist, then paypal also takes a fee for the artist to receive the money so.. gets in wrong pockets all the time...which I do not like when I spend my hard earned money.

Regarding Google music, which was recently released, I am not sure how greedy they are, if they are more or less greedy then spotify.
If I would pay for a streaming service I know the money does not come the artist it is mostly to pay for the bandwidth I use for the service.

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