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I am tuned in I am too ;)

It is on right now so you tell me.  ;D

I am listening now! :)

when is it swedish time ? :)

I think the quality on that sample was superb. Beautiful ambient guitar textures.

Thanks for the feedback and taking time to listen! :)
Yes I am very pleased with the guitar sound too, as a guitarist I felt very excited
since it can produce the guitar sounds I have always been dreaming of...very inspiring box for me..

Have you released some albums? I would like to listen to you work. here is one recording I have done 4 years ago.

Listened to this and it has some nice moments, I assume that with the Eventide you'll be aiming for a clearer sound and a longer piece?

Thank you!
Yes a more clear sound and good for long decayed reverbs, also I wanted the best delays possible..the delays are so important.. and the delays are the best I have heard and so transparent.

I bought the Eventide for general sound processing, but also for my guitar, but also to process software synths, in my DAW before I had very long effect chains to achieve something similar to the "eventide" sound which did use a lot of cpu,  so this unit will also help me to offload the CPU since I rely more on external processing.  My CPU was constantly maxed before which could often result in distracting missounds and cracking sounds, now with external sound processing I have more headroom for sure...Also..I prefer to have a work flow when I do not rely so much on plugins atleast not 10 different plugins to achieve one sound  for a synth, it takes away focus for me. I also wanted the best effects possible, which I was not able to do with software,  I have been trying to emulate the eventide sound for long but I Think personally it is a big difference now with a real Eventide is very inspiring box..perfect for ambient music..guitar and sound processing in general and it can output almost mastering quality sound.  Regarding the effects there is no weak link what I can find every element is top notch so a very good long term investment for sure, only thing I do regret is that I did not buy it sooner.

Welcome to the forum, almost all ambient artists I like use the old school method, maybe this method also reflects in the music output  also..

From what it sounds from you should focus to have as much external gear and effect processors and samplers as possible to be able to perform in real time.  You can watch robert Rich on youtube he have a quite inspiring work flow and he does all in real time with samplers layer per layer with external effect processor, I myself prefer to this route. so Yeah, a good effect processor and a good sampler is probably what you are looking after.

There is many ways to approach ambient music, for some people the technical aspect and the science of syntehsis is very important and is the driving force while some people prefer to just close their eyes and let their ears guide them, personally I prefer the later method, the only thing that matter is what comes out.

The big difference now days that is a lot of ambient artists use offline edition and cut and paste method,
Personally I perfer the old school way where all is done in real time improvisations.

I think in your case the choice of effect processor and reverb will be the essence since this tools are what will transform simple sounds into ambient worlds.

Lexicon Reverbs are very popular in the ambient scene exist in both software and hardware form, the PCM 91 you can get for good money.

Eventide is good for all kinds of effects in general, H3000 you can find for good money used, same with orville.

Some people prefer TC electronic reverbs I know Opphoi did like them, I know Robert Rich and I think also Loren Nerell like Sony reverbs.

Personally I have no favourite, I like both Eventide and Lexicon they complete each other, it is really a matter of preference, when you use different tools you will create your own preferences after some time.  Bricasti M7 is regarded on of the best for realistic reverbs, how it is for ambient and longer decay reverbs I am not sure.

Regarding DAW and streamlined flow.
Ableton Live is done for live performance with it's session view it is easy to trigger and record samples.
I think the latest Sonar X3 have something similar.

the session view is the only thing I miss in Sonar, but you can do the same thing with a sample manger plugin in reaper for instance.

sounds good! as always I am realling looking forward to hear your cds Loren!

Have you released some albums? I would like to listen to you work. here is one recording I have done 4 years ago.

Have you released some albums? I would like to listen to you work.

I am just like you who is in the process of building a studio step by step. I have a lot of material in demo level that I want to record, now with My eventide I can get the exact guitar sound I want so it helps me a lot.
In the coming 6 months I will mostly work, I have two jobs a full time day job but I also work at night some days so some days I will work double which I guess is quite inhumane, all to save up for new gear.  There is still a few more things I need, I do not have microphones yet, I want also a microphone do record my own field recordings, a new pre amp, a di box, a bass guitar to record bass to my tracks, a new 6 string guitar since I only have a 7 string (28.5  inch) which limit me to make certain type of music.

 and a lot of more, but the important part is that I keep on writing a lot more demos, I have no real stress since my only vision is to get it as perfect as I can.  I have a few "big"  "life projects" I aim to do which I have had in my head for many years..   ambient is only one of my interest, I like extreme metal and a lot of other music..

If you send me a PM I can send you an ambient recording or a few if you are interested.

Also with that said even if I would had record multiple albums it is not likely I would even tell you since I Want to keep some things confidential as you might understand.  Many of my favourite bands are of "unknown" identity for some of my projects I prefer this approach since it does takes away the focus from all non relevant also takes away some distracting elements for an artists.  I do music all for myself, all I can say I am eager now when I got more tools to use to finally try to record all my demo material I have saved up for so many years.  My ambient music feels not so private so  I have no problem to share publicly.

So anyone with 5k for the eventide and a tin can can become an ambient artist? :)

Any one can become an ambient artists despite budget, gear or invested money. But I think there is no coincidence
that most of the ambient artists I personally like use Lexicon and Eventide gear, I guess it simply about preference what sound you prefer.  You seem to have that opinion that not every one can be an ambient artist or audio sculptor ? That is kind of patronizing opinion  in that case nothing I stand by since I think everyone can be an artist or musician according to his her owns ability.

I can only talk for myself personally, but I have been on the quest of getting the sound
I am looking after. I have gone thru different milestones,  when I got my Lexicon reverb a new universe did open up for sure, and I was unable to live without it honestly, using other things seemed like going a step back, when you reach that next level it is very hard to go back...
When I got it made me a lot easier to get the sound I wanted, and I could easily identify the "lexicon" character which I heard in steve roach albums for instance. I can only talk for me personally again but for me the eventide is one more milestone for me on my personal path to reach my musicial vision, with this unit I think most bits will fall to place from what I have been missing, I want personally for my personal stimulation have something that makes myself stimulated , I have come close with multiple plugins but the eventide effects is just for me hands down a big step up in all regards...and with that self regarding getting stimulated, this is a process also, it gets harder and harder to get stimulated you always strive for better and better sound, the solution for me was the Eventide, and I knew this already 2007 but it was not to 2013 I actually bought it.
I am happy for myself I did decided to invest this money...I will not regret it I have the feeling it might be my best buy since it will help me with all kinds of sound processing and just making music more "fun" in general to do with a better satisfaction experience.

Some great sounding presets, to be sure. They definitely inspire ideas. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you, for listening and your comment/feedback!

Yes you are right about the inspirational factor... the eventide is really good in that sense in giving inspiration but also good tools to realize your ideas and a kind of flawless and effortless manner in real time.  I like that I can make music in real time, just like if it was a live session,  cause I want to keep this "flow" which is harder to reach or to get it to feel "authentic" when you cut and paste at least for me personally. Robert Rich and Steve Roach, other ambient musicians did inspire me to buy this unit, it seem most of my favourite ambient artists work this work flow with recording in real time as much as possible. I have been using Lexicon reverbs for a long time now, but I guess I will start using the eventide Reverbs more now..however I would say that either is better I think they complete each other in fact they both have unique properties.

You have Skype Altus ?
If any one likes to talk gear, musical recording ambient or anything feel free to add me on skype..
I do not have much people on my skype to talk with about these stuff..

Impressive it makes us think you are actually good :)

I've read a story about some guy that plugged an old nintendo to the eventide h8000 and the most amazing ambient came from the 'blip-blip'sounds.

it is spelled "r-e-v-e-r-b" , magic can happen when you have long decayed reverbs, and this time it is a lot of pitch shifting which makes it sound like "pads" with the reverb.  The delays helps gives spatial effects accross the 3D space.

 I am not surprised that nintento sounds can make it sound like good ambient with a good reverb, that is my experience previously with my Lexicon reverb, that you can make pretty much EVERY sound into a good ambient piece...  it is not so much about the source but the actual result which becomes the new form.

I have finally after a few months starting to use the Eventide, I am still trying to learn how to use it, since it is a quite complex machine I must say, I really have to study the manual.

but anyway I did play around with some presets for about 10 minutes, it was just a quick demonstration for a friend on skype (if I  knew I would post it here I would probably make it more ambient oriented)..but why not share it with you too.. with some slight modification such as increased decay times change LP/HP filter.
My guitar has really old strings and is not intonated , and also the string height is too high so it is really hard to play it..
but that is not what it is about, just want to share how it sounds. Before I bought it I had big problems to find samples..

I can record more later,  I can play some music through it it too thru digital AES input.

I use Kemper amp and dual stero analogue into eventide then into rme hdspe aes (Eclipse AFC clock) at the computer then processing added.

Quote from: Immersion

trust me studio reference "sound" can sound both good an accurate.  With headphones the amp plays a big role which gives every one different experiences.  accurate is not = boring and flat sounding.

I use a DT770 (250 Ohm) which in a price range available for many people and they sound extremely close (frequency and spatial balance) to my Neumann monitors even by using the headphone amp of my monitor controller (also tested on the sound card).what im doing wrong?  ;D


My DT880 pro when doing A/B test with monitors sounds very close to to my HG3 monitors which both have flat frequency response , but it is mostly the frequency curve that is similar, so it is easy to fool yourself when doing quick A/B tests.
So they sound very close in that regard. But I have tried enough headphones to know that headphones have it's strengths and weaknesses, that is why I am looking for a more high end headphone.  I do not have the same 3D sound in my DT880 like in Sennheiser HD 800 for instance..  I also miss a more "sparkling "  treble,  I guess the mids and bass is ok.. but DT880 is strange they sound so different with different kind of music, they can sound very full and amazing with some music and not very impressive with other styles of music, I would not recommend them for ambient music. I am using my Antelope Eclipse Headphone amp currently.

I have never heard the DT770  so I can't comment on them to be honest.
But the rumours says they are for people who prefer more "bass pressure".
I am not a bass guy, I tend to focus my ears on the upper range but what I want is a well balanced headphone.
With non excessive bass, big bass does not impress me.

I love these two new CDs. They are the sonic equivalents of chocolate cupcakes. Yum.

I wish I could share the same experience a joy as you...
I can recommend this album, especially cd2.. this music touches on an emotional level.
Also have better sonic quality then roach last phase of outputs.

Suspension and Reflection/Below and Beyond are on this cd

I have been into steve roach since 2005, 11 years, I was very disappointed in both cds. I fail to grasp it's essence.  I do not like the sound of steve roach, I have noticed every since Dynamic stillness his ambient soundscapes have am more "dark character" more "dark rumble"  for me personally I wish he did cut of a lot of this darker bass energies and focus on the higher and lighter sounds. The "bass" frequency acts more as an distracting element.  I think Oophoi made some kind of statement of it, regarding dark ambient artists.. about this dark "bass rumble" that is just  for me the bass in ambient is just an energy has no real interesting sound detail...
I am just seeing on my spectrum analyzer that steves latest phase albums have cut of the high end quite a lot while the bass frequencies are now more dominant , it just make it sound more muddy and less sound details.

I am convinced that he is using different equipment nowdays then before which explain why he sound different now, most likely a new mixing board, a new studio,  I do not see a progress in steves music since 2008, to me it has gradually gone worse..anyway.. I am always interested when he release a new cd you never know when he will release a masterpiece again.  But considering his last albums the last cople of years have more or less sounded the same I hope he will experiment with different gear and reverbs.  His reverb had a lot more "open" and wet  sound before while now the high end is cut of heavily and his reverb sound a lot more "dry". The big change in his sound  after 2008, with his album dynamic stillness.

I think if just some of his later albums released after 2008 was just remastered or remixed with a more open reverb sound no HP/LP filters (most importantly no low pass). I have just experimented with just adding EQ which make big improvement when making the mix more brighter with more higher frequencies .

So to summarize I am not a big fan of Steve roach later phase album after 2008 which a lot more darker and more dry sound character with a bigger focus on the darker and lower parts of the sound spectrum and "bass rumble"


How can any piece of equipment sound 'boring' :)

something that sounds non dynamic, non 3 dimensional, non-alive/organic, non detailed, lack of transients and transient detail,

The headpones I have tried so far does complete each other, but I would love to try
headphones that meets all criteria, since the price is not a real problem anymore I guess it will be easier.

An 'accurate' headphone, isn't intended to sound 'good' as such. They are intended to reproduce the source material accurately.

When I use my Shure E500s and SRH840s for mastering, everything initially sounds hard and middley, as I'm used to using a pair of phones with a 'smiley eq' frequency response on a daily basis (for comfort and sound isolation) and my ears have gotten used to their sound signature.   

trust me studio reference "sound" can sound both good an accurate.  With headphones the amp plays a big role which gives every one different experiences.  accurate is not = boring and flat sounding.

The difference this time is I have no strict budget, since I am ready to spend money for a high end headphone in the price range of K812

I had beyerdynamic for many years - then got a pair of Grado 325si - I'd highly recommend trialling these too.

I have had the chance to try the Grado, I know one place in my town who got them..I should maybe try them.

I want to point out, it is not a problem to sound headphones that sound extremely good, the hard part is to find headphones which sounds both good AND have accurate with good measurements. Using them for studio use they are simply useless without them being accurate you can't mix with them.. I do not know how flat and accurate the Grados are, but I know they are highly regarded on HiFi forums. 

I have AKG K702 Reference Studio Headphones and love them. The high end is perfect in my opinion, the overall range 10Hz to 40KHz.

as I stated k812 and k701 have 0% in common :)
but I am glad you liked your k702.  Around the same time k702 was released I did a lot of research I ended up
with the Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro. I find this very good for guitar driven music like metal.
But for electronic music I want new headphones. Well I guess it was about 8 years ago I bought my DT880 it is high time to look into alterntives and buy a new pair but yet this many years later there is no "obvious" choice.
I guess if Beyerdynamic release some headphone for studio use with tesla drivers I will be very intetreted the T1 sounds more "good" then "honest" perhaps.  But my DT1350 have tesla drivers I really like the fast transient response in these, all details sounds very fast and clear.

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