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I agree.. it has become little bit too minimalistic the last years...  Immersion volume 1,2,3  (esceially 3) and also after light was good minimalistic releases, but it seem have been stuck in this expression now since then more or less..i miss the more dynamic releases too..  Also I think he have in the last years in terms of drones been going for a more raw vintage sound..not as mordern anymore.. less wet reverb more oberheim dry.  I hope steve roach start releasing a bigger number of relases every year, maybe some of the albums will be good I know I will not like all of his..

Also this "gltichy" delay effects he have used since Destination Beyond feels like they have become little bit old now..I do not like them,

I'm PC.

The problems range from half-assed buggy software, to no sound, clicks and noises during recording, non functional DB 25 outputs, overheating, non-recognition by usb port and the list goes on.

I don't like the general attitude of Antelope at the forum, when people report the problems they always throw marketing BS or presumable success stories in the mix.

The original person reviewing the Antelope, who is also from gearslutz staff, received a non-functional Audio Zen, then he was telling that the fault was from the parcel delivery company and some posts later he changed the story to ''I had a beta unit for testing''.

I dunno, my impression after some threads is that Antelope seems a shady company. Now they are releasing some audiophile clocks for 5k. Again I have trouble trusting audiophile companies, especially when they release ''esoteric'' audiophile stuff.

Anyway I should have done my homework before considering the Audio Zen.

I could order and be lucky, but I don't know, the general feeling around them is unreliability.


As you probably are familiar with I am an Antelope Eclipse user.
I can't really comment on the Audio Zen, but what I can comment about it has a very good sound quality for its price and
you also get a lot of I/O and also DSP processing.  I can't really comment on the drivers or software about the Audio Zen, but I would never consider using USB for DAW use, so the drivers are not hyper critical I use USB mosty for playback only when I am not using the DAW.

Well I can only agree about your observations regarding their attitude and PR people.  Also their support have had varying quality , I have got a few incorrect answers from them which I also exposed on a forum, which then I got corrected, but since then I think they are irritated with me they do no longer answer my support tickets, I have had some problems that sometimes the power button does not work I have to unplug the power cable, it happens not often but they did not come up with a solution for it.
The software for the Eclipse is quite minimalistic it gives much to ask for, but it gets the job done, a few bugs.. but it seem the Eclipse drivers are not their priority now..I sent them an email a few days ago about windows 9 support no answer yet.. the release are not so many months away.

Regarding PR, the PR for Audio Zen is very different from their other products I think cause it is based for the more budget market... these consumers are easier to fool so they use all PR tricks necessary

So my experience with Antelope is mixed, I was very happy with the support sometimes but some people especially in the chat are not good.. email support is better..but to a certain point,some of the problems where left unsolved cause they had no idea.
They where nice until I did quote them on a forum where they did give me incorrect information regarding Audio Zen such as it has the same clock and monitor controlled as Eclipse  (relay-controlled with stepped precision attenuator ) but for a fraction of the price, it would have been an insult to current Eclipse owners. Yeah so yeah I do not like their PR methods, regarding their clocks it seem more like some kind of esoteric art indeed they do not tell  much secrets about it besides controlled jitter is used to create "positive" and controlled jitter which modify the audio waves in a positive and controller manner to give a more analogue sound, I have tried my Eclipse/Trinity clock with other clocks I have in my studio, my RME clock and my Eventide H8000FW clock, the  Trintiy clock gives an extremly dramatic difference so yeah..very important part for sure...
It is not just a clock it an acoustic focused clock using jitter to manipulate the audio, which is a quite radicial concept which no one use since jitter is regarded as the biggest evil in audio in general..Antelope are the only company who use jitter intentionally to manipulate the audio in a positive manner. .

Regarding your set up it is quite complex decision, but the Audio Zen would be a good starting point I think, if you do not need the prees you could maybe consider the Orion, it is more highly regarded, it has from what I know a better clock it has more I/Os you could complete the monitor controller seciton with Drawmer MC2.1 which is on par with Dangerous Audio Source minus the DAC functioanlity . I do not remeber if you bought the Source already ? I think I recall you did in that case I would buy the Orion 32, you can probably find it used too..

after a few weeks of painful research I have made my decision regarding the headphone amp/DAC combo it will be the Epiphany Acoustics EHP-O2Di it is actually based on the Jds odac/02 amp which is based on an open source project.

There is a very small chance I go with the Headstage 5G but the chance are so small cause I think it will be delayed many more months until release...otherwise it would probably have been the best alternative..

I have heard the album now it is very good I think, roach is manage to come back to older standards around 2005-2007 era, however there is still too much bass frequencies rumble for my taste, maybe it is a cheap way to flirty with the more mainstream dark ambient listeners . I guess it depends on how deep your bass on your speakers go mine  go about 35hz so kind of deep. This bass drone rumble is just an irritating factor and especially for my neighbours since the bass is penetrating the walls much more then the other frequencies  For me the bass is mixed to loud, and there is really no interesting audio information in that spectrum imo the sonic depth is in the upper mid and high range.

Anyway good just feels too short though.. but I guess that is a good got the feeling you wanted more after the last song..

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Shipping to Ukraine
« on: July 20, 2014, 07:41:04 AM »
once again you are posting personal information on the forum,  did you ask for his permission to post his real name ?
not all want the online alias linked to a real name... (I asked a moderator recently to remove mine)

Got the CD yesterday, it's excellent!!!  Confused on the bonus CD though, as the cover lists one track at 74 min. But there are actually TWO tracks on the disc ?.......

Great in all honesty it is nice to see Mr Roach release more studio albums, I think he should put out more I have seen interviews that he could release one per months if he wanted to but he restrict the number to about 5-6 per year...
I hope Steve roach get back to his "confidence" again as an artist, I think he have lost it little bit the last years. I do not think the feedback from his later albums have been so good as before, but I think this new CD shows definitely new found inspiration.  I still wish though I prefer his more lighter albums, the production are darker nowdays less treble more bass, it makes it less deep for me.. Anyway this new album seem to be kind dramlike.. some thing I could drift away to with headphones in bed into inner journeys.  I hope steve roach have found a new spark of inspiration now and will release a more steady flow of albums.  I wish he could experiment some more though.. but I will always keep track on his album his potential is always there and he still among the top ambient artists in my book.

No physical volume knob, what the heck? 2 pieces will create more cumbersomeness...

I do not think you want the DAC section to have a volume control, since its main task is to feed the amp 0 db signal.
if you have a volume knob on the DAC you will just lose bit depth better to let the headphone amp control the volume, always best to control the volume with an analogue parameter.

two pieces will be more cumbersomeness yes, but it will give you more control and better flexibility in terms of choosing the exact dac and will give you more options for sure.. you will end up with a better DAC and a better amp for the money... the best would be to have a combo unit.. but you will end up buying less audio quality for the money.  Anyway the hunt is going on now... the DAC might have been decided..I will look into the options for the headphone amp on to train to gothenburg tomorrow...

I have decided I will most likely try to buy the DAC and Headphone amp seperatly.. more options will emerge then..

if I buy this DAC which seem to get mostly good feedback.. I can buy a bigger external headphone amp to complete it for sure...

it is very small

The beresford dacs - with headphone output - is often highly recommended.

May I say in advance i am not Mr Beresford.... :o

I will look into it... the price was very good...
The form factor... its probably little bit too big to be portable.. enough prefer something slightlight smaller..
it is mainly the "height" that is the problem when having it in my ultrabook bag, the length is less of an problem...
However I would most likely make the beresford to fit in my bag but it would create a huge bulge..

looking forward for this one..seem like he have found some new inspiration. I like the art work too..

The sony is not an option cause you can only drive it by battery and it only last for a couple of hours and you can't charge and listen at the same time..which is very bad.. so I can't basically listen 8 hours in a row..

Since I want an DAC + Headphone amp my options gets little bit narrow..I am still doing research trying to find which to buy...

I wish the Schiit Audio Bifrost DAC had a headphone amp would had been a good option for sure..

well the time and energy is something that I lack of right now.. I hate digging throu thousands of foroum threads to find what I am looking for.. the sony looks nice though!  but seem that not many people on head fi forum  have tried..just one beginner did review it..maybe it is an indication I do not know..  All I know there is a lot of DACs/amps out there right now..  the sony "brand" does not mean anything for me really, it could mean anything from crap to good really.. When I did grow up sony was = quality but as most companies now days they release both good and crap products.

Yeah, the one I posted before didn't had an headphones plug...Indeed it has the burr brown chip like the Dangerous Music Source and other high end gear.

Another company you might want to check is:

Oh ok..  well a headphone output is a must..
Regarding burr brown it is good to have a good DAC chip but it is only one part of the DAC so it does not really say much about the DAC itself more then that the desiner obviously know that most high end gear use Burr Brown.. but this chip only cost a few dollars so.. it is not like it is some super expensive exclusive thing..

I am aware of Fiio, it is the most well known and popular headphone amps and DACs, it is popular for the more consumer market also, so I am gladely trying to look deeper into the market to find these unkown gold corns which people including myself is hard to find...

The sony is for sure an alternative, but I am also sure there is a similar product without the sony logo that is less expensive.. The sony price is ok if the sound is really good and would satisfy my needs more long term..

What about the first you posted?  It had a burr brown chip.

It feels with the Sony I might pay extra just for the Sony logo.. As I said there is do many small dacs and headphone amps like this there is a big ocean of choice of smaller not so well known products..  Takes a lot of time to do the research tof find the best products.  Especially since every one have different options about every product. 


This stand out in the the ocean of other products ? is a really deep jungle this..I find it takes a lot of time and reserach to find the best product.. the sony looks good for the eye atleast I can say that..will look into it..
even though I am sceptical though.. about sony as a brand..

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 14, 2014, 01:44:30 PM »

I will send this product back tomorrow... it is simply and over hyped product mainly due its small form factor and aluminium metal finish the sound is very medocire.. and kind of cold.. I did experience my samsung ativ 9 plus ultrabook had warmer sound.. my hunt hon a portable solution will go on though..but for my next dac and headphone amp I will not let the small form factor compromise the sound..

So it is summer.. their is finally sunny weather in Sweden which mean I travel to cities during the weekend to meet people and vaccation etc which gives me a need for good portable sound. I have found this Mini DAC Microstreamer, I have not found one single bad review yet it seem pretty hyped, I wonder if it gets hyped because of the small size or the sound.. anyway.. I decided to buy one for my Samsung Ativ 9 Plus ultrabook and my DT1350 headphones...nice to have good portable sound on the train... but.. it is even small enough to have in your pants pocket with your smartphone, yes it works with android and pc and also mac/ios.  It works with ASIO up to 96K it is not much bigger then a matchbox it has an aluminium body.

The price is not that cheap.. you obliviously pay little bit for the extremely small form factor..
Well anyway I am looking forward to try it the order should arrive in a few days, looking forward to have it on the train to Gothenburg.

Have any one tried it ?

As the frugal musician that I am, I use Hosa cables.  :-[

I'm even more frugal, I make my own.  ;D  I use Belden cable with Neutrik connectors, it's pretty cheap if you buy a box of cable and cut them to length. Mogami is fine stuff but over priced and over hyped. As for Hosa, I've been hosed by them too many times.  :P :D Actually I haven't been, but I think they are a bit pricey too for what you get.

Mogami is overpriced yes, but for me they feel like a safe card.. when you buy them you bascially do not need to worry about "cables"  they just do their job...

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