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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steaming services
« on: December 01, 2015, 05:46:54 PM »
Well  idiots exist I am aware of that.  But I find it hard to believe that an artist with any self respect to himself or his music would sell re encoded crap as flac. 

But yeah it might exist..

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Have any tried VIP
« on: December 01, 2015, 12:36:19 PM »
It seem that people do not realize its power and how it revolutionize integration with midi with you software.

I am waiting for january 2016 before I will buy my first midi keyboard with VIP software.
M-audio and Alesis, AKAI are currently the ones that will use VIP software. All 3 companies have the same owner so we will probably not see VIP on any other manufactures.

M-audio have promised a more premium version then the M-AUDIO Code which seem interesting considering the high quality of the code model. Hopefully they will announce it in January.

With the VIP software your midi keyboard will almost become like a hardware synth since you no longer need the computer to change presets or parameters you can control everything on the screen.  They use sospehtice chaching algoririms so switching between presets will be faster then the regular way in your DAW.
You can play mutiple VST synths in a same VIP preset.

VIP means total Checkmate to all other midi manufacture who do not use this software, novations auto map in comparision to this is a joke,  the latest Native instrument NATIVE KONTROL  standard is something similiar to VIP with it difference that it will only work with plugins that are released in the NKS format. VIP works with all software.

Really looking forward to try this myself in reality,for me personally it will work a lot better no need to stare at computer screen and use the mouse while you try put yourself in a musical trance.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steaming services
« on: December 01, 2015, 12:20:57 PM »
8th reason: I have a lack of confidence and trust of the aquality quality of streaming service of the music I am actually listen at spotify have been busted reconverted low quality mp3s to 320 mp3s this was a huge news line some couple of years ago, unfortunately people seem to have forgot this. Anyway I think this is kind of common on streaming is hard for them be busted really...

9th: Many of the albums I have been listen to I have seen sometimes they mix a single version of a song with album version,  the song with the same name on the single was a totally different recording then the re-recorded album version I have seen many examples of this.

In general I lack confidence if they say it is flac or less I have no trust in this and I am unable to verify it.

The only service I trust is bandcamp.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 30, 2015, 02:31:32 PM »
I have also thought Nektar was only integrated with Reason.

Was so long time ago I did try Reason.
Does it still have no vst support ?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 30, 2015, 10:32:51 AM »

Exactly Ekstasis - that was my point. Start small... and Mr. Rocket has already said he's leaning towards Mac which makes Garageband a perfect start.   

I'm fairly positive it comes with an array of synths and effects to get started with.

The name Garage band give such bad vibes about a audio program they really need to change that :)

Anyway Reaper is probably a better choice...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steaming services
« on: November 30, 2015, 10:32:05 AM »
I do not like streaming services.

some of the reasons.

1. Money goes into wrong pockets and more middle hand is introduced here.
2. The quality is not satisfying
3. you must be connected to internet
4. The selection of music is terrible my favorite cds and music is not on streaming services. It is a bigger problem for albums that was released pre spotify.
5. Streaming services limit culture, people growing up today lives in the illusion that all music is on spotify.
Releasing all culture will never be possible to legal services because of legal reasons and labels that does not exist anymore.
6. People today grows up listening to playlists rather then albums, little do they know that spotifies "magic" properties to know what you like and select perfect playlist for you is much based on who have paid most to be features on more playlists, so in other words it is another type of advertisement in order for them to brainwash people to listen to music.
7. Streaming services makes people lazy and careless, they do not care about albums any more they do not care about sound quality anymore all they want is the flexibility and to push the play button then let it rest in the background and let the streaming services decide the music, the danger with this method is that music will always be a "background" just to fill the silence in the room.

I like Bandcamps model the most so far it is more album oriented, and you can choose the price you want to pay for many albums. You have still option to buy offline files and you can also if you want stream it.

I agree that digital format and non physical formats is here to stay but I do not like streaming services.
The artists need to get a lot more of the income, many artists I know have said they get so little so instead of getting ass fucked by spotify they prefer people download them from pirate bay.

Personally I do not agree that Spotify is a faster and more flexible way to listen to music,
sure it takes some time to build up a local library but if you have passion for music you have no problem doing that.

All in all I think streaming is just a stupid way to use internets resources.
Also I find more calm in my mind listen to local files I will not need to worry if the sound will start to buffer
or something like that. If you have a big local library with your favroite this will give you a superior way and flexibility to listen to your music, You can even make your own spotify and create your own server and this is not hard to do.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 30, 2015, 07:35:37 AM »
well as you suggest one can always learn to long hard way.. but getting some pointers in the right direction is probably good. The artist must find a way where it is inspiring to create music. Some find a more better connection with hardware and some with software etc some with pc and some with mac.

The most easy and cheap way to get start is with software and midi.
If you invest money do it in a good reverb first if you are going to create ambient music.
For me personally ambient without a good reverb is worthless for me, there is no ultimate reverb
all have different flavors if you have a few too choose from it does make it easier for you to mix certain flavors as your mind wants.

You can today produce good results with very little investment, how ever its important to stay inspiring too good effects good speakers and all that certainly help, high resolution speakers and effects also make it easier to mange the sound on a more detailed level.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 29, 2015, 12:27:02 PM »
There is many videos about the vip software
But this one is kind of good.  Hope you all understand the power of vip.

compared with the native instruments solution

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 29, 2015, 12:24:47 PM »
Yes but don't audiodamage have a point almost no plugins use the apple au template I am explaining to you why when given a choice vst Is usually a better option.
Then if it's  because plugin manufactures are lazy is another thing I just trying to explain the reality here.
I am just saying if you have a choice to use either au or vst there is no reason to use au format.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 29, 2015, 11:20:38 AM »
Thanks for sharing VST are faster.  It sounds like I can't use VST with Logic.  How much slower are the AU's?

AU's being slower then VST's is total bullshit, there is no proof to this. I use AU's all the time with zero issues, they are just fine. Ekstasis is making that up because he doesn't like Apple products.

This was written by the plugin manufacture AudioDamage.

AND FINALLY: This is only semi-related. I've lately noticed a lot of people that use Live as their main DAW, and don't have Logic at all, who use the AU instead of the VST. All our recent products are built using Sonic Charge's Symbiosis compatibility layer, and the AU is just a VST with an extra layer of crap on top to make it act like an AU. With commercial plug-ins, it is very rare for the plug to be a true AU. Almost all commercial plugs use some sort of compatibility layer or wrapper to create the AU, and you are nearly always better off using the VST, given the choice between the two.

I imagine that the reasoning behind using an AU in Live is that people think "well, I'm on an Apple. The AU must be better!!!" This is false. The AU is never better. Ever. You might like the preset mechanism more, but as far as Live's presets go, this is a transparent experience to the user, and thus moot. The only reason you'd have for using an AU in Live is if you want to make presets there and then use them in Logic or DP, or vice-versa. If you don't do this, use the VST.

 Also if you browse the forums with real world evidence please provide me the data which suggest AU (not made by apple) works better then VSTs ?

I have now heard the first song on the album as well I thought it was weak too.
All in all I did expect more.

Second song is still decent though.  But I thought Mario would put more effort into an album if it is a 19 year old comeback.

I think maybe the music in the video is taken from the new vortex album

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 28, 2015, 10:37:46 AM »
At this point I'm thinking possibly Logic, a Mac, VST,  a midi mixer/controller and a midi keyboard.

Just to be clear, Logic doesn't use VSTs, but AUs or Audio Units. They are basically the same thing, but if you buy any third party plugins make sure they make AUs. I think most do now but better to check first before spending any hard earned cash.

I most likely will start off simple and small and learn from there.  I kind of get the feeling like, I could buy a bunch of expensive stuff that I might not use and simply be overwhelmed.  Then forget about the important part, the enjoyment of creating music.

Smart move, learn what you have now, you can always add more when you feel the need. Good luck with your new creative path.  :)

AU will give worse performance though so VST is to prefer

I think if you start a good reverb is probaly the most inspiring thing.

I'd rather listen to Steve talk about his music than read descriptions, self penned or not.  Having had some in depth conversations with him back in the mid 90s, I was always impressed with his ability to describe the inspirations and  feelings about the music, in a very intelligent, visceral, insightful and almost poetic way.  His passion is really inspiring to hear.  Maybe the website CD descriptions can get a little samey, but as pointed out, it's a difficult to describe genre of music.  and I don't think there's any importance necessarily to sell or promote the music.  His fans are fans and they're gonna buy it regardless of a written blurb.

I also like his poetic and metaphoric way of speaking about his music, I wish the youtube clip was longer it is very inspiring for sure.
I wish a full time documentary was released like this.

I did buy the old VHS documentary

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Whatever happened to....?
« on: November 28, 2015, 07:17:11 AM »
Thom Brennan I think is underrated.
I hope he will release more music soon

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 28, 2015, 05:37:59 AM »
Remember the most important.

All is for nothing without a good reverb.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 27, 2015, 04:47:59 PM »
Any thoughts on all these suggestions, 'Johnnyrocket' ?

we are talking to the


considering it as an investment since it will become an collector item which you probably can sell on ebay for much more then what you gave in the future.

Well lets see who buy the book for that price.
what is expensive is very


his way of talking about the music himself reflects pretty much the way the album descriptions are written

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 23, 2015, 07:04:37 PM »
Lots of solid advice here Johnny Rocket,

If I were really into soft synths as you suggest you aspire to be I would serious consider the NKS system.  Native Instruments has a way of propelling everyone else into the future and their NKS platform may create a standard to come.

I think the VIP software that AKAI,Alesis and soon M-audio is is more flexible and better.
It works also on all vsts you do not need any spefici NKS format or such.
One good thing with NKS is though that you get "official" presets, while on with VIP
you will get presets made by the VIP developers. However they have said they have put a lot
of effort in to make the maps as good as possible for over 300 plugins they have done that manually.
If the plugin is not mapped it will auto assign parameters which will not be as good of course and can be rubbish in a lot of plugins
but atleast it does work compared to with NKS..

Well we see where the direction is going now.. deeper software integration..

Novation I wonder what they will have to offer... both NKS and VIP is totally new level of integration.
One alternative is that they will get an license to use VIP.. it is very possible...

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