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I love these two new CDs. They are the sonic equivalents of chocolate cupcakes. Yum.

I wish I could share the same experience a joy as you...
I can recommend this album, especially cd2.. this music touches on an emotional level.
Also have better sonic quality then roach last phase of outputs.

Suspension and Reflection/Below and Beyond are on this cd

I have been into steve roach since 2005, 11 years, I was very disappointed in both cds. I fail to grasp it's essence.  I do not like the sound of steve roach, I have noticed every since Dynamic stillness his ambient soundscapes have am more "dark character" more "dark rumble"  for me personally I wish he did cut of a lot of this darker bass energies and focus on the higher and lighter sounds. The "bass" frequency acts more as an distracting element.  I think Oophoi made some kind of statement of it, regarding dark ambient artists.. about this dark "bass rumble" that is just  for me the bass in ambient is just an energy has no real interesting sound detail...
I am just seeing on my spectrum analyzer that steves latest phase albums have cut of the high end quite a lot while the bass frequencies are now more dominant , it just make it sound more muddy and less sound details.

I am convinced that he is using different equipment nowdays then before which explain why he sound different now, most likely a new mixing board, a new studio,  I do not see a progress in steves music since 2008, to me it has gradually gone worse..anyway.. I am always interested when he release a new cd you never know when he will release a masterpiece again.  But considering his last albums the last cople of years have more or less sounded the same I hope he will experiment with different gear and reverbs.  His reverb had a lot more "open" and wet  sound before while now the high end is cut of heavily and his reverb sound a lot more "dry". The big change in his sound  after 2008, with his album dynamic stillness.

I think if just some of his later albums released after 2008 was just remastered or remixed with a more open reverb sound no HP/LP filters (most importantly no low pass). I have just experimented with just adding EQ which make big improvement when making the mix more brighter with more higher frequencies .

So to summarize I am not a big fan of Steve roach later phase album after 2008 which a lot more darker and more dry sound character with a bigger focus on the darker and lower parts of the sound spectrum and "bass rumble"


How can any piece of equipment sound 'boring' :)

something that sounds non dynamic, non 3 dimensional, non-alive/organic, non detailed, lack of transients and transient detail,

The headpones I have tried so far does complete each other, but I would love to try
headphones that meets all criteria, since the price is not a real problem anymore I guess it will be easier.

An 'accurate' headphone, isn't intended to sound 'good' as such. They are intended to reproduce the source material accurately.

When I use my Shure E500s and SRH840s for mastering, everything initially sounds hard and middley, as I'm used to using a pair of phones with a 'smiley eq' frequency response on a daily basis (for comfort and sound isolation) and my ears have gotten used to their sound signature.   

trust me studio reference "sound" can sound both good an accurate.  With headphones the amp plays a big role which gives every one different experiences.  accurate is not = boring and flat sounding.

The difference this time is I have no strict budget, since I am ready to spend money for a high end headphone in the price range of K812

I had beyerdynamic for many years - then got a pair of Grado 325si - I'd highly recommend trialling these too.

I have had the chance to try the Grado, I know one place in my town who got them..I should maybe try them.

I want to point out, it is not a problem to sound headphones that sound extremely good, the hard part is to find headphones which sounds both good AND have accurate with good measurements. Using them for studio use they are simply useless without them being accurate you can't mix with them.. I do not know how flat and accurate the Grados are, but I know they are highly regarded on HiFi forums. 

I have AKG K702 Reference Studio Headphones and love them. The high end is perfect in my opinion, the overall range 10Hz to 40KHz.

as I stated k812 and k701 have 0% in common :)
but I am glad you liked your k702.  Around the same time k702 was released I did a lot of research I ended up
with the Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro. I find this very good for guitar driven music like metal.
But for electronic music I want new headphones. Well I guess it was about 8 years ago I bought my DT880 it is high time to look into alterntives and buy a new pair but yet this many years later there is no "obvious" choice.
I guess if Beyerdynamic release some headphone for studio use with tesla drivers I will be very intetreted the T1 sounds more "good" then "honest" perhaps.  But my DT1350 have tesla drivers I really like the fast transient response in these, all details sounds very fast and clear.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: April 20, 2014, 02:23:24 PM »

Impressive... some of the sounds manage to sound a lot like EMT plate reverb.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: April 05, 2014, 06:53:11 AM »

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: April 01, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
I'm going to invest in a RME ufx, drivers seem more reliable, usb recording, more solid construction.

RME UFX is a solid solution, as you mention they have very solid drivers the best in the world. But regarding Performance Antelope will win big time.  RME is not known for their converters mainly their drivers, I think it also depend on are you aiming to use extremely low latency settings ? then you would for sure want RME drivers.
Regarding Performance, Antelope has their own special designed USB chip not a third party chip which take full advantage of the bandwidth. Regarding latency as usual with USB interfaces they are little bit optimistic since usually you are starting to get missounds or dropouts with lower latency settings.

If you want low latency in fact I would not recommend USB at all, you could get best of both worlds if you invest in a  RME RAYdat PCIe card for get a fast connection with your Zen studio.

Regarding specs of Antelope Zen studio, it seem a lot of missinformation has been floating around before the release, in fact the box is still under development so final specs are yet not known. It will most likely not have a relay stepped monitor controller as said before, antelope have confirmed the clock is based on trinity clock not the OCX clock as said earlier... If it did have 70 relays like Eclipse then it would be crazy..

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 10:13:08 AM »
I stand by what I said about Paypal - they take a cut from everyone, all those ebay sales - everything. They are rolling in it.

Yeah paypal is almost unusable if you ask me. it is ok as a buyer for small sums.. but not for bigger sums then the fee rate gets absurd. As a cd seller on Ebay the paypal fee takes away all profit margins whick makes it almost meaningless .  I do not even understand why everyone use paypal anymore when there is so many similiar services but with better rates..I wish more did boycott it.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:17:02 AM »
Audio quality is far from stellar on YouTube, but for the purposes of sampling or discovering music, it's certainly good enough.

I don't agree that sites like PayPal and Bandcamp are greedy for taking a cut. They're businesses. They have overhead costs and staff that need to be paid. This money has to come from somewhere.

Regarding Bandcamp, their pricing structure is very fair. By the way, they only take 10%, which is ridiculously low.

Last time I checked it was 30% I guess.. it is lower now then good..10% is humane.. but payal takes probably another 10% .. I did read paypal is going to have extra high fee for music album sales also..  Paypal are greedy.
They must become very rich I really wonder what they do with all that money.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:15:00 AM »
Yeah, Youtube's audio quality is very poor, but I think that it shows that we live in an increasingly visually orientated culture, where people (the majority of ?) prefer to listen to music with a visual element.

You are right about that! I must say I dislike since it is a cheap trick to fill essence into the music.. the music should create the pictures inside for you.. that should be enough..  Many times I have found certain music or songs been boring but with a visual element they become interesting..  Record labels are using this cheap trick to promote new music..

If you have plans to make a living of your music you should probably be wise and choose a genre that attracts a wider mass.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 07:25:55 AM »
Youtube does not offer anywhere near cd quality so if you ask me you are not hearing the "full product"
If you upload uncompressed audio the sound is more acceptable though but the big majority of uploads are double compressed.
Me as an artist would probably mostly dislike the audio quality since they are not hearing the real product just some over compressed version of it.
And especially for ambient it is impoartant.

Youtube  great resource to find and explore new music... a very big percent is copy righted material on youtube or internet in general
People do copy these days just like people did copy music with cassette tapes I jut think it is a reality that we just have live by despite if you see it as an opportunity or catastrophe. Streaming services like Google Music and Spotify is not much better for the artist then having their music on youtube, only artist who sell very big quantities can make the money niche music like ambient could never substancial money on spotify or Google Music cause the provision you get from each listen is too microscopic.. it is not really the solution either and is probably as bad as piriting if you ask me the money gets in the wrong pockets and the consumers are throwing money into the sea. Bandcamps concept I find most appealing that I can choose the price myself, but I would prefer to donate directely, bandcamp takes 30% of the cash, which is greedy, if I donate with paypal the fees are quite high too.. I wish there was better ways to buy music without middle hands taking the money. Also Bandcamp and other site I think use paypal to send money to their artist, then paypal also takes a fee for the artist to receive the money so.. gets in wrong pockets all the time...which I do not like when I spend my hard earned money.

Regarding Google music, which was recently released, I am not sure how greedy they are, if they are more or less greedy then spotify.
If I would pay for a streaming service I know the money does not come the artist it is mostly to pay for the bandwidth I use for the service.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Insomnia treatments
« on: March 29, 2014, 06:25:15 AM »
using environmental as you explain is probably better, but you can start of with some ambient in the beginning and then move over the more steady environmental sounds.  Me myself has only been able to fall a sleep one time with music... and that was with the album Asianova - Suite Dreams ‎ (

Everything and Nothing / Re: Insomnia treatments
« on: March 28, 2014, 04:09:19 PM »
to take sleeping pills is very addictive.. and not good in long term, it solves the symptom but not the cause.

Yes the things mgriffin says  about gradually slowing down is important but which also is hard with a day without with not enough hours (of free time) to make all things done. To drink alcohol will not make you sleep easier according to research.  Also avoid eating or drinking anything atleast 1-2 hour before bed.

I think the best is to try to control your own mind as best as you can.. to fall into the land of dreams which will make you fall a sleep require some mental "focus" and effort... however, it does not work if you try to hard if you just think "fall a sleep now fall a sleep now"... I try to focus and meditate, try to play my own inner "films" in my head..which is a mix of memory and imagination, some ambient music really helps slow down your mind a lot faster then anything for me.. it sucks you down and lower your beat rate and slows down your thoughts gradually until you finally fall a sleep...

If you have a tv in your can help to watch some film or series that is kind of slow and not "very interesting" it will make you tired and unstimulated .

Physical work out will help you fall a sleep easier since you will be more exhausted "After a long day"  lack of activity both mental and physical  could make you have too much energy to slow down during the night..

I have been struggling myself all life, cause usually I never get tired during night time I have to force my bed to night.. it is nothing I yean for to lay alone with my thoughts.. However when  I wake up in the morning or in the day I really enjoy sleeping.. and not go up from bed.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 28, 2014, 09:15:09 AM »

One thing good about having the Zen studio at the desk is easy and fast access to the volume knob.
I think it is important to have fast access if you get very loud volumes in your DAW by misstake for instance..

I have a Presonus central station for that in the studio. Live I use a mixer so it wouldn't be a big sales point for me.

If you do not use the Monitor controller I think the price value of the product drops a lot you ask me...
if you do not use the monitor controller maybe it is better to buy another product.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Insomnia treatments
« on: March 28, 2014, 09:08:43 AM »
I think it is wise to stay away from the drugs..

Why you can't sleep I think is mostly a mental problem, that you fail to relax your mind. I am suffering from the same problems myself.
I have found that a "sleeping mask" makes a big improvement..  some ambient music with headphones in bad can act like an sleeping pill, it basically puts you in an meditating state of mind... you want to control your thoughts think as abstract and dream like as possible you more of the thoughts that is focused to your in real life I think it will be harder to fall a sleep.  I wish I had a simple on and off some people have..
It sucks to go to bed in time but you go to work with only 4 hours sleep.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 25, 2014, 01:35:48 PM »
That might work if you could get the handle off and dont mind not having access to the Adat on the side....I feel it is really a questionable design philosophy. How big is the mobile market? Rack it and their sales could / will double, triple etc.

With their current products I would of thought they could give Prism, Metric Halo, and UAD's Apollo some serious competition instead of coming out with this brilliant but not very practical concept for most.

Perhaps consider this....

P.S.....these guys build some very nice large format console....perhaps not as star studded as Solid State Logic but nevertheless....

It seem to be a trend in the last years with more non-19 inch format interfaces...
Personally I prefer rack looks more better and is space effective...looks more robust.

One thing good about having the Zen studio at the desk is easy and fast access to the volume knob.
I think it is important to have fast access if you get very loud volumes in your DAW by misstake for instance..
If you are fast with your keyboard you can get fast access to volume in the software control panel to..
I find personally myself with my Antelope Eclipse I always use the software to control the volume,  I plan to soon move the Eclipse
on the bottom floor on my rack  to get little bit closer to the volume knob maybe I will use it more then..

But still yeah most people seem to complain about the non rack mount compatibility... they should have released a rack kit..
One reason they might not want to release it as rack is because of the very low price, they know people are ready to pay extra for the same product but in 19 inch format.. they probably think we should not "get it all" for such low price..they probably release an rack version later..

I would vote against the Audient, I think Antelope is higher level stuff, it is a non brainer if you ask me... for this price there is no competition.. the headphone amp is awesome too..  my only real big complaint is that he have no AES connection just like Orion.

Prism Titan, will in a firmware upgrade make it an Ethernet port interface, maybe that is the future for low latency audio..I am very eager to see how it  will work... I know SSL use it for some of the devices with some drawbacks..for instance you have no internet access while you are using their SSL Ethernet drivers.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 25, 2014, 01:23:46 PM »
Maybe you can detach the handle and use something like this:

If you have it in the middle you can have it like this, you can buy a silver plate to put on the left so there is no empty room, which willl look a lot better..And also have something at the back so it will stay in position and do not move when you unplug/plugin cables or move the knob.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope Audio Zen
« on: March 24, 2014, 02:36:51 PM »
yeah..well I hope they relase some kind of rack kit... otherwise if you really want it racked..there is always ways to do your own solutions if you really want it racked.. nothing is just need to be little bit creative.. but it seem almost no one like the goofy handle at the side...
it is not like you are going to go on long walks carry it around all is just silly and looks goofy if you ask me..

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