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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 26, 2014, 08:18:13 AM »

another reverb you can try just for fun.. as an lexicon user i think this reverb is on the same level honestly.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 25, 2014, 07:39:25 AM »
The difference will become a lot bigger with long reverb times like 15-20 seconds.

Anyway I like the Eventide "preset" most on the guitar.  Aether still sounds most artificial and plastic to my ears.
Anyway..we are still just trying different presets.. cause the presets does not even have the same settings so it is hard
to come to any conclusion really.
Many of them use the filter, would be nicer to hear it with the HP/LP filter open the Lexicon reverb sounds not good and open with the filters enabled. anyway it is hard to do a test like this.. And the reverbs sound a lot more better when you do not use 100% wet signal I usually use 28% on my Lexion reverbs.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 23, 2014, 10:37:52 AM »
I have the demo of the Lexicon PCM Effects running and Ive listened to the lex reverb and fx together.  They are good but if I did opt to buy the PCM native verbs I would use my Sound Toys fx for designing a sound

Alright, I have not tried it so I have no opinion about it..however.. I would most likely prefer the Lexicon effect cause it will come most close to the presets in the hardware units... but yeah.. I guess Lexicon is not most known for their other effects..  but the "resonant chords" and pitch shifting stuff I think is better on the Lexicon.. I have not tried it yet, all I know is I do not like sound toys.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: ROACH Road Trip. . . .the Long Trip
« on: February 23, 2014, 02:53:57 AM »
sounds like a nice trip!
I envy you.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 22, 2014, 07:20:38 AM »

I use the Lexicon PCM bundle (which like the PCM 96 which I also own) really is not what most of us old timers would consider "the lexicon sound". The PCM plugs/PCM96 are really closer to a TC M3000/M4000 style of verb as they are very open, pristine and clear. They are great for those types of high quality verbs where you are not sure what the verb is doing to your sound until you take it away.

If you want to get the full Lexicon sound the idea is to mix it with the Leixon Effects bundle, it has delays pitch shifting, chorus and all that..

The Random Hall is the "lexicon sound"  it is the one I use,  the new Hall algorithm is a completely new algorithm made for the PCM96,  I guess the new hall algorithm is more similiar to the TC reverbs cause it is more natural.

I just want to tell you all that, the Effects bundle exist, it is quite important when for instance we compare with Valhalla reverb which has pitch shifting.

Me personally when I make ambient music I tend to mix reverbs,  I use toraverb and random hall a lot.. they complete each other.
If I use Valhalla shimmer and add the Lexicon afterwards in the chain it gives more 3D sound. it is another mix reverbs..maybe you can use shorter tails but two reverbs.. experiment..

I have not tried the Lexicon Effect bundle myself, but I am sure if I had it I could get a more complete sound with just one reverb instead of mix.

Btw the Toraverb reminds me slightly of the Eventide reverb yet less metallic but it has plate characteristics..

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: February 20, 2014, 11:11:27 AM »

There used to be a really excellent label out there called Manifold Records.  They've been inactive for several years now, since 2007 I believe.  Anyway, they released an album called "The Nature of Sand" that included individual tracks by Illusion of Safety, Life Garden, and Voice of Eye.  Manifold also released albums called "Narratives:  Music for Fiction" by Paul Schutze/Voice of Eye/Robert Rich and another called "Guru Means Slayer of Darkness" by Illusion of Safety/Hands To/Bequeen.  These three-artist albums overlap by common artists and make kind of a nice trilogy of dark ambient music.  Many of the Manifold releases are still available via discogs and include the excellent compilations Endless 1 and Endless 2.  I'll have to check out the Life Garden/Voice of Eye collaboration you mention.  Thanks!

This one is a lot more "smooth" though.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 18, 2014, 08:13:13 AM »
That music sounds very lush...nice improvisation Immersion.  Thanks!

The X-Verb was on my list but I back off it because of a strange demo download procedure...Will try it again.

Thank you very much!

Yes X-verb deserve a spot with the "big boys" in software reverb land.
But PCM native was released about the same time so I did suddenly loose interest in it (among others)
and I guess most people forgot about it too, the timing was not the best one from SSL, since it's main goal was to finally release a reverb that could replace the hardware boxes.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 18, 2014, 07:20:56 AM »
X-verb seem always to come in the complete shadow for some reason it is one of the better reverbs.if you want to test all revberb demos out could maybe give it a chance..

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 18, 2014, 07:18:23 AM »
Sure we all love soundcloud cause it is fast and easy to share links, but Also I would be careful to judge a test done from Soundcloud the sound quality is not representative.

Hi Immersion, the possible audio degradation from sound cloud processing happened to all files so it does not invalidate the test or better put the "experience".  This is definitely not scientific.  Perhaps different sounds like piano or vocals would be more telling but I mostly use synths.

After some thought, well days of thinking my personal favorites are the R2, TSAR 1 & Lexicon Random Hall.  Still need to track down which Reverb lends itself best for that "Lost in Space" sound. 

Heres a long gearslutz thread where the designers of LexiconPCM native, Exponential Audio & Valhalla talk about their verbs.  The link drops you in at page 14 where it starts to get interesting

Yeah the main problem with soundcloud is when you upload mp3 files since the file will be converted two times. But I assume you uploaded the wav files.

Valhalla shimmer reverb is the only one I have used, of valhalla family, to me it was very good to create big modulation reverb tails for pads.
But I still prefer to use my lexicon reverb for transperecy. But the shimmer reverb was really greate to create "high energy" modulated reverb soundscapes..

I recorded this little improvisation with valhalla shimmer  on keyboard.

I can really recommend this album. I remember the first time I heard it it was on new years eve, the fireworks was outside, yeah such a magic moment... and I drifted away in my dreams..

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Reverb Plugin Sound Demos
« on: February 17, 2014, 10:42:04 PM »
it is hard to do the "ultimate" test and comparison test, what we have here is basicually a comparision with different preset ,  different presets can sound completely different.  Sure certain characteristics can be found but they can also been changed with different settings.  I use mostly the the PCM Random hall I always open up the filter completely to now have the reverb to "cut" anything especially the high  frequencies, it is only then the Lexicon reverb sounds good and "open" for me atleast for ambient music..   these LP filters that seem to be present in many presets in the test , it is for me what makes them sound "cheap" and not open and clear...

From this test I can see no clear winner..I would love to try the Phoenix reverb myself.. heard good things about it, and it is "true stereo" unlike for instance the Lexicon reverb...which is it's main criticism .

Sure we all love soundcloud cause it is fast and easy to share links, but Also I would be careful to judge a test done from Soundcloud the sound quality is not representative.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: King Crimson reforming
« on: January 31, 2014, 08:47:12 PM »
Really amazing news...I love their last studio album "The Power to Believe"

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: January 03, 2014, 09:17:17 AM »

wow :)

I think though the thread creator is more into creating OSC based drones though...
but yeah..every sound can be turned into a drone..

while it is very healthy to know the basic building blocks and how the affect the audio I think you might overthink things, Some years ago, I did also try to approach it more from a scientific perspective, while it was a good learning experience learning the basic building blocks what it comes back to when creating actual music  is more about just following your instinct close your eyes, use these knobs learn how they all form and change the sound.  When you are making music in real time I do not think you are thinking about scientific formulas you just let your inner cosmic hand control you.

But I think it is good still to be able to program your synth etc but morphing the drone in real time is more of an artistic expression  and modulate the various building blockings on the synth.

the oscillators will of course be an important building block in the sound, it is well known analoge  oscillators have more richness and harmonics in the tone,  because replciating such advanced harmonics digitally it require a lot of very complex algorithms and cpu power..there is often a difference.. but with that said there is always exceptions there is plenty of good VAs out there..
Waldorf is of them.  Detuning and pitch shifting can also be an very important element in a drone.  the Detuning you can do on the OSC level but also in effects as pitch shifting, typically pitch shifting that sounds good is very expensive and from my knowledge Eventide is synonymous with the word "pitch shifting". LFOs is important  PWM can be important on som synths too.  playing with the LFOs can have great impact.  When creating Drone music you should set your BPM rate quite slow.. it will make LFOs the whole synth really sound more slow and more "evolving" which fits drone music very well.

An other Drone Master called steve roach he is know of using his mixer board to create his drones , where the EQ is an very important element in general tone shaping, but also the way he merge simultaneously drones in the mixer , from what I understand he have simultaneous drones running in the mixer which he merge in endless combination chaining volume and eq in real time.. it is his "main" instrument"  for many people including myself a lot of his processes are to me little bit of mystery at this point... I would love to see how make his music from would be easier to understand if I heard it without the reverb for sure..

A lot of other people use guitar to create drones too..stringed instrument  such as electric guitar is really perfect for creating drones..
cause a vibrating string have a lot of interesting harmonics to work with just like a really good analogue synth have

I might sound radical here, but what creates a "drone" in my world is the use of long time reverb and delays.
For me that is the basic building block in a drone without it there is no drone unless you some very sustaining sound or instrument. Do not overuse the reverb, listen to the music change the wet and dry signal find the sweetspot where all the transients and details are not drown in the reverb. Most ambient artists put the reverb on max, it just create a big reverb "cloud" for me this kills the whole essence of sound, to just hear reverb clouds for me is not that interesting.

With all this said I am welcoming all other people to think different we all approach things differently.  I would in fact also love to hear how other people approach this..

Its a private legal matter.  Why is it anyone's business especially if there's some apparent wrongdoing?  Yeah I'm disappointed but I'm not crying about it.  And I support Mathias 100% in his future musical endeavors!

Btw, I'm just stating my opinion, not looking to argue.  :)

I agree, in this sound style... the tolerance is higher then for other music for sure I have not heard the A/B comparison myself. I agree it is a private matter and it is maybe not in a label owners interest to try to choke grassows carrier by naming exact songs etc it is not really something that will benifit grassow for sure.

. I respect that Grassow do music for himself, as long as it is not any billboards who really cares... A lot of music i sample based and are using sampling all the time, hip hop for instance, the genre would not exist if it wasn't for sampling or stealing,   but as long as you do something artistic with it,  or put it in a new context I think it is creative..
Also I think it depends on what is being sampled, a melody  for instance... but even with that you should not have alone rights on a melody just because some one was first, if some mind can come up with a melody I am sure another mind can come up with the same with time,   Also a samples used but put in a different context or music style I think is a way of using it artistically..
I just do not think all this commercial bullshit should interfere with the artistic output, let the music be free,

but there should be limits also..the line can be thin in this grey zone.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 02, 2014, 02:54:54 PM »

Tomas, just playing Devil's advocate here, but you did choose to share this information on the forum.  People are now not allowed to discuss it?  Personally I wish you would've kept the details off the forum as it seems a private matter, and to be honest it's not what Mathias' fans want to hear.  Or you could've just said "for legal reasons" instead of the sordid details.  I really didnt think it belonged on the forum at all.

It could maybe have been the best thing to do..I Feel sorry for Matthias.. but as I said I think Matthias do music mostly for him self for his own private moments, maybe he mix in some samples etc..  regarding the klaus wise perfume track maybe it was a mix up or something... I can imagine grassow has a very big library of drones.. which sound in many cases identical to klaus Wiese..

BUT, some years ago even Spectrasonics asked for credits if you use some of their libraries for an official release!


What a big joke haha... One more reason to stay away from Spectrasonics crap That is such greedyness..
Do not include the samples if you are not allowed to use them in music..that is my opinion.. However most people process and mix etc so it is impossible to detected the source samples...  I think  in the "Lost" tv series  the big boom sound with the logo was spectrasonics I am sure they must have made a fortune of that pathetic sample haha.

EDIT: this was the one

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