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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 06, 2017, 09:17:31 PM »



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I think it is important to separate the individual needs and predilections to find your very personal reverb. This is just the same procedere with the instrument.
When you dont have a lot of money but a passion to your sound, you simply try out something, and see what you can improve next.

I found out that my way of sound creation needs a reverb that is not simply added to the sounds but merges with sounds. I do not think (from hearing samples) that the big sky reverb will be the right choice.
I am very thankful for this discussion. Everyone is so deep into the matter, and so I can take a lot useful ideas with me.

The Lexicon really does what you ask it for it merge with the sound, it sounds for me best with 28% wet signal, and around 20ms decay, almost no reverb sound good with 100% wet signal , the Bricasti m7 is probably the exception.  Eventide can have higher wet signal while still not destroying the sound and all details, I did find 50 to 60% the sweetspot for wet/dry mix of the h8000fw, same ratio with the lexicon sound really bad to my ears, you only hear "reverb" not. Listening to your music I also think Eventide would not fit your music as good as the Lexicon sound.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 06, 2017, 02:07:18 PM »

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Yes, I agree Scott. The pedals appear to fill the demands of outboard gear for a more drone and ambient project. And where I very much doubt the quality of the converters would cause any issues at all. At $500 you are saving a considerable amount of cash over the thousands needed for high end boxes that most likely do much more than you need and that may have many uses in a pro recording studio, but probably not in a more focused ambient only personal project.  Think what you could buy with the money you save !

I think the low end H9 is a bargain at $399, and you add the space and other algorithms you want as needed.

I really must try the Big Sky myself.

the H9 sounds better to my ears, it is a later generation of the stomboxes sounds cleaner.  While it not have any knobs you can still assign to external midi devices and use it to control that way.

I do not think any ambient artist should consider "saving" money" or compromise with the reverb unit which is the core of the sound. If you buy a high end unit you can use it for many years it  will not be expensive in the long run plus you can always buy second hand units, you do not need to buy new stuff.  For instances there is plenty of h3000 units out there in second hand market, it will outperform all stomboxes in sound and functionality. In an Ambient context,  The reverb is what gives the music the color with out it it is like black and white, the real painting is done with the reverb that creates the final picture, it is creating a flowing river that will inspire you make you drift, it is that that makes the music shine and sparkle and make you enter multidimensional doorways into new  inner worlds.  Having a good reverb sound can be the most inspiring thing ever. 

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I think dissing or dismissing sound tools as powerful and portable as the Eventide Space (or H9) or Strymon Big Sky is closing doors to wide creative possibilities in time and space.

I have a Lex PCM-90 but rarely use it since aquiring a Space as the 90 is so large and heavy with a slower editing interface. I've never taken it to gigs or improv sessions where huge amounts of dreamSTATE music is forged. In my studio, despite having the 90 and the full Lex PCM suite, my goto verbs are by Valhalla and I use the Lexes for alternate sound spaces. I can see buying a Big Sky this year (to keep on the thread topic) for an alternate reverb spectrum in a portable device. I picture an H9 and a Big Sky as a strong pair of verbs (plus) for live work. This is, of course, just my taste in sonics - though I'm not the only one. Here's Steve's thoughts:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-steve-roach/1109989-pitch-time-space.html

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-steve-roach/1110191-reverbs-depth.html

Well I can understand the reason why to use units like blue sky, it is small device, you can have it on your desk easy to access the knobs in real time, sure this is good, you can't do this with a full size rack version, they simply stay still in their place, and you can't reach it as easily in your studio. But when you close your eyes the racks will ofc sound better.  As long as you use the rack on the masterbus you can still use stomboxes for inidivudal sound layers though, just my opinion besides that mixing reverbs can have very pleasing results they can complete each other, such as toraverb and lexicon does, the toraverb give some metallic charachter but it sound very plain and 2D the lexicon magnify the whole signal and make it all become 3D.

Intersting to read steves post on the GS I will try to read more of them.

he mention using the eventide stomboxes live, not sure if he combine them with racks too live he might have a rack on the masterbus, one downside with hardware vs software is you can have more number of instances with software, I can imagine the way steve work he might require multiple reverb units, bringing multiple stomboxes vs racks is easiser for travel for sure, also every rack unit is expensive compared to the stombox. If he use them on masterbus  in studio albums these day It also explain why i think his older albums up to 2008 sound better, I think Landmass was his last really good sounding album the reverb sounds realy open and fluid here like most his early 2000s albums and late 90s albums , that is definitely a lexicon pcm91 sound on that album. , I definitely hear he have change reverbs after the album Landmass.  The stomxboxes sound cheap and plastic to me, while still having the typical eventide sound DNA it is like it going thru a bad converter which take away a lot of details and frequency range, I just wish more people who have bought the stomboxes would be able to compare the sound side by side with the rack version so they can hear the difference.
But I also think as long as you are satisfied with the sound go for it.

I have heard no legendary records made with Big Sky, I have however heard countless legendary records with lexicon and eventide reverbs.
I can understand big sky gets popular cause they are in the right mid range price point,  I still think it is a good value, if you must buy something new, but if you are going to buy a new box vs second hand you can still get a better sound second hand wiht that money with a rack box.

 
I will buy the H9000 reverb after having h8000fw I cant live without that kind of sonic quality and reverbs, it is a new world I hope the h9000 will match the h8000 in sonic quality (despite totally new people in the project and the entery to mid range market in the last years). It is just really hard to downgrade once you have gotten used to certain quality,  h8000fw was simply the best sounding unit I could ever imagine it did blow all other stuff I have tried away it open up  a new universe and doors for  completely,   but I cant say which is best the complete each other, there is sometimes I prefer lexicon reverbs for sure then eventide.  Lets pray the H9000 will have about the same price, I will have to buy it anyway though since it will be very hard to live without it since I sold my h8000fw.



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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 06, 2017, 12:33:12 AM »

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I am a reverb junkie  to me the blue sky sounds like cheap man's eventide,  sounds not like the h8000 I have own.

More over I would not use a stomp box to but on my  master bus  conversion is probably the weak point of the blue Sky.


How would you think to compare a $5000 box to one that cost $500....of course its not going to come close to the converters that you once had in your Eventide....does not mean it cannot perform.

There are so many ways to use a stomp box, to suggest that one would put it on the master bus is ludicrous  though it may present so interesting results.

Good we are on the same page then.  Btw I guess it is completely comparable with eventide h9.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 05, 2017, 07:11:49 PM »

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You are right, I use the M7 more for real spaces for traditional types of rock, jazz, folk with clients...having said that it is a fantastic drum reverb even for ambient which is where I use it most in that context. Its also nice for cathedral type spaces.

When I want deep, lush vintage Lexicon style verbs for my synths I use the Strymon Big Sky reverb most. In fact I have not used or turned on my Lexicon PCM96 in almost a year because of these other two...also because the plug-in PCM is just more convenient.

Paul, do you know about the maximum reverb/decay time of your PCM96? I look for at least 20 seconds (that I use on my TC XL-One).
Does the PCM92 (that I will probably buy) offer the same reverb/decay time ? Thanks for your answer in advance, Jana


Indeed.  Perhaps as Paul has sung the praise of it the Strymon Blue Sky it could be an option.  It is a much praised box in the modular community who tend to use a lot of stomp boxes for external processing.

or the Big Sky


Julio, thanks so much. I am still in the vision phase. For sure I need at least 20 secs decay and high resolution (which means the reverb melts with the sound).

Yes Oophoi had the TC 4000, and it is a great unit. I remember, I always wanted a Lexicon or Roland reverb ;)

I have a TC 4000, it's a great reverb I recommend it. Steve does use a lot of Lexicon verbs but he also uses others as well like the Eventide stuff.

Loren, thanks for your recommendation. There are only a few demos to find unfortunately to compare with Lexicon. I need to go to the store for that ;)

Sorry, I did tell a wrong info about Gigis reverb: He had a TC 3000.  A TC 3000 reverb also is used on my Cosmos collab album with Ran.
If I remember right it has an infinite mode.

Pcm96 have infinity mode if that is enough for you :)
I am a reverb junkie  to me the blue sky sounds like cheap man's eventide,  sounds not like the h8000 I have own.

More over I would not use a stomp box to but on my  master bus  conversion is probably the weak point of the blue Sky.

For Ambient  Lexicon is still the best.  Lexicon and eventide is what is the best as simply  as that for Ambient you can't go wrong with those but it also boil down to personal preference   there exists a lot other reverb and tastes.  But when I hear your music I think Lexicon is what will fit your sound best.

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Computers, Internet and Technology / CES 2017
« on: January 04, 2017, 04:38:11 PM »

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Lexicon plugs are nice  low cpu  more flexible you can use multiple instances.

The blue sky reminded me more of eventide reverbs (stomp box  version).

If you have a m7 I understand.  They are rare to find second hand.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient 028
« on: January 04, 2017, 04:15:18 PM »
Thanks.

Maybe you can movie my ancient 21 thread do a the right section and I can rename the thread name

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Every year I sort of set a goal and save up for those one or two items for the studio that I want or need. 2 years ago I upgraded my monitors with a pair of Focal Trio6BE and a set of Amphion One18s. This past year it was a matched pair of Chandler RS-124 compressors, a Bricasti reverb and the Apogee Symphony I/O MKII converter.

This coming year it will probably be a Chandler EMI Redd Microphone and another 2 Redd.47 Tube mic preamps which are the single best and most open, wide and euphonic microphone preamps/input devices I have ever heard or used in my life just magical.

Then next year it will probably be computer upgrade time...

How is the m7 for Ambient?  I know it is most well-known  for rooms and plates but not long decay reverbs but I think they have released software updates that focus on long delay reverbs lately and right?

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient 028
« on: January 04, 2017, 03:44:21 PM »
No one said don't post tracks. Just put them in your sub thread, in the right place (Forum Member Projects).
I though my reason was clear.

Your tracks are neither Podcasts, Mixes, or Music Sample Clips.

Alright will do in future

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient 028
« on: January 04, 2017, 02:44:31 PM »
I agree with Pete.

And Niclas you really should not be filling this section with your individual personal tracks.
Can you imagine what this would be like if everyone started putting all their unfinished pieces in here!!!
Please create an Ekstasis sub thread here or in Member Projects and put them all in there.
That way it is your thread and you can put whatever you want in there, it is all kept together, and other people can visit it if they choose too.

I am sorry I am posting my tracks or om your forum.  I guess you prefer no posts at all here?  The forum is kind of dead I would not mind if people did post their music creations here on a daily basis.  I have no more tracks to post I have posted all my compositions so it will not be a problem anymore.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient 028
« on: January 04, 2017, 02:40:51 PM »
What happened to your album project thread - which is now gone ?

Here's my advice (for what its worth), instead of posting lots of work-in-progress stuff, why not just concentrate on finishing an album and releasing it ?

Put it up on Bandcamp - or even better still, iTunes and the like, then see how people respond to it. So, instead of being a critic of other people's projects, you can then be the creator and see what comes with that. You might find it to be an interesting exercise.

Not sure which you mean but it was in this thread people started to tell me to release a bamdcamp album so www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=8744.0

So I decided I will try to release a band camp album this year.  With thee Ambient 021 track  plus remixes of some old  stuff.  But I also need to make some new stuff which is created 2017.

Actually it was feedback from here that got me to decided to release an Ambient album I have not made Ambient in a long time I have sold all my equipment.  I need some basic stuff to start again.  I have no sound interface or converter to my computer so I get no sound in the speaker.  I must buy a new midi keyboard I have nothing to play on.  I buy nothing new until namm 2017 this month. If I  would buy that dsi ob-6 it would bring another spark of inspiration  for sure.

Also it is a big difference putting it up on forum then om bamdcamp I think I find it hard to do that if I am not totally satisfied.

This is the art work of the album.  And this track 028 will probably be included I am kind of satisfied with it maybe add some more layers only and excite the sound a little bit


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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 04, 2017, 03:52:55 AM »

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Maybe a new audio reverb unit. I am thinking about Lexicon PCM92 or Yamaha SPX2000.
Does anyone have a recommendation or good samples/demo videos?

Jana I would look at the TC Electronics Reverb 4000.....at least its on my list if I ever move on from the Eventide Eclipse.

If I remember right, Oophoi did use/recommend that unit.  Personally I would go with the lexicon it has a legendary sound.

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Elektron Analog Heat
https://macprovid.vo.llnwd.net/o43/hub/media/1001/12679/Elektron_-_Analog_Heat_03.jpg


Analog heat is high on my list....it very well priced a$700 and change.  There are other pro audio distortion/ saturation boxes out there that cost much more and do similar sonic alchemy.



Yes it is kind of new product so it unfortunately it will be hard to buy second hand, but yes it looks like a good sound distortion tool to warm up digital synths or software synths to give them more a organic and analog sound.  I wish there where more devices like that, you can cheat your way to get a synth of an analog synth with such device for sure. (I guess that can be said about a lot other analog gear if you let your digital/software synths go through it)

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 03, 2017, 03:23:19 PM »

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