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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 20, 2013, 05:31:14 PM »
I'm in grad school so I don't have a lot of money.  :(

I'm definitely looking for something that's not going to run me broke.

Also, I wasn't offended by Immersion's post at all, so it's no big deal.

you have to beleive you do not need a big budet to great high quality ambient. But a good sounding reverb is the most critical part in this genre, if you do not have a good reverb everything will sound bad.  If you are on a budget and want a expensive lexicon sound the best is to buy an second hand PCM unit or to use some of the software reverbs..there are a few that sound very good for the price.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 20, 2013, 05:28:46 PM »
I am just telling him the reality, he said the sound did not feel "clean" enough.
If you want clean and transparent sound it comes with a price. I wish there was a shortcut.

But there is goldcorns even with cheap gear if you are good at founding them so price does not automatically equal quality.
even if you have a smaller budget you can get quite high quality if you buy the right stuff...and do you research.

I was also interested to buy HEDD, but is a kind of old is based from what I understand on software code there is plugin versions
of the saturation stuff... but all I can say I would love to try it.. I am a big fan of summing boxes like that..which can bring that extra magic and luster to the sound..

My days are over when I did try to do "clever" buys, to save money, but what I have learned is that it is better to buy good stuff first,
otherwise you will never get really satisfied you will always have that itching feeling of unsatisfactory... also it makes your "job" mirror
you artistic expression.

One other aspect I have really got to enjoy starting to buy really expensive gear is that these gear does actually have a very good second hand value and in many cases the prices on the second hand market can stay very stable for a long time even they can increase in price if it the product becomes rare.

If you buy budget stuff, they have simply zero second hand value you can get a fraction of that price that's it.
Of course every one decide what is best for them, personally I prefer to think more long term and that life is too short to invest
in cheap gear, I want to live my life in full satisfaction so I do not compromise, of course I understand not all people are as fixated some people
might prioritize to buy a new car or travel.

But I personally find it highly paradoxical that in the ambient genre which is supposed to be "advanced" sound design most people use
a lot cheaper gear then normal studios... cheap effect cheap everything, most ambient artist have it with some kind of side activity they use a laptop and some software plugs but not a real studio.  All I am saying is I find it paradoxical why the bar is not set a lot higher in the genre.. if ambient genre is supposed to be some kind of cutting edge when it come to advanced sound design.  In most other recent produced music the production is very important nowdays often very polished I do not feel that way when I hear most new ambient unfortunately I just hear cheap reverbs with no transients at all left in the sound just 100% reverb

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 20, 2013, 04:47:08 PM »
well I would not expect much of the Lexicon Alpha, it is a very cheap interface with the price of like 5-6 pizzas.

I think when it comes to analog recording there is not much shortcuts.. every part of the signal chain is important. 

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 20, 2013, 04:37:04 PM »
Converters matters, in a typical studio setup you use atleast 2 converters, one for the input signals from your pre amp, and one for the output signal to the speakers.
Both are very critical, but if you do mostly stuff inside your computer I guess your monitor controller/converter is more important, cause this will represent the true audio which your computer send.

But it looks like you use kind of a lot of external instruments so yeah... a good converter would really make a big difference.
but a great pre amp is a ls also good, of course you set the bar yourself what you are ready to pay for the best sound quality.
Antelope audio Orion 32 is good converters too..same goes with Prism Titan/orpheus, you can get lynx aurora second hand for good price.

Burl do the best converters right now, I will buy them I am saving up money to buy them

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 01:12:42 PM »
well, I understand people take it personal when expressing a disklike for a DAW, but it is like that, every one use different DAW and all think they are the best.. I tend to like reaper most,  the one reason I did want to try it first was the fact that was "free" I could not imagine any "serious" DAW would be free..but I was wrong.. I think a lot of people do not take it serious just because it is a free program to use.

My references regarding audio quality in ableton, I am sorry but I will not dig up many year old threads on forums.
But when I did use it it was a quite general complain that the audio quality was not the best.

in the version nine they say on their website that the rendering audio quality has been " dramatically improved" so I guess it was not good before.

it is good that is extremly stable...that is why I like reaper... I used sonar before it was NOT stable.
crashed often...

Cpu friendly...well that is relative... have you tried same project using reaper and ableton and compared ?

Well I have to admit there is some things I like in ableton.. it is easy to assign modulation on objects and plugins in general..
The X:Y pad stuff etc..the audio editor is quite flexible..
But in all honesty I can create music without these stuff in reaper... I control all I want with midi devices.
But I can admit the some of the stuff in GUI is very flexible in ableton.
But anyway I still feel more at home in reaper, it is easy and clean and fast and stable.

I want to try X3 just for fun I want to try to all the saturation stuff in the mixer..

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 12:22:58 PM »
well it is quite widely known, atleast before but I guess I should take it back cause in all honesty I have not been keeping up with the last versions.
I used ableton live in 2009 I am not sure what version was out then, 7 ?
people in different forums did complan about the sound might be better now though..

Ok but  a lot of people use it only for session view I can promise you that..
Cause it was one of things that no other DAW had really...
now it looks like the X3 have something similar though. I am sorry If I am negative I am just not
a big fan of ableton anymore.  Why are you using ableton ? 

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: My Music Studio in Progress!!!
« on: November 19, 2013, 11:38:10 AM »

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 11:37:22 AM »
I have not been using ableton live since 2009, I did move over to reaper.. which is use the cpu better and gives better sound quality.
the latest Sonar X3 seem to be very inspired form Ableton it have the session view...which is the only thing why people use ableton.
This is something I kind of miss in Reaper. But with a maxed cpu I must prioritize performance.

well you are right, making ambient with the mouse is not real ambient from heart, atleast it does not feel that way for me, I have no interest to morph in afterwards besides mixing but I want to morph the audio in real time. Otherwise it feels pointless for me.

If you do not use the session view, I would recommend trying Reaper.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: My Music Studio in Progress!!!
« on: November 18, 2013, 08:19:37 AM »
my H8000FW did arrive today. It will take some time before I can actually use it though, I need to buy a pre amp and some more mogami cables before I can do so, this unit is even more expensive in EU then in USA, so I am completely broke now for some time.  This will maybe give me some time to study the manual,...from what I have been reading..there is some learning curve... but I guess it all depend on my pre-experience... I do not I aim to use the Firewall connection at all. I will use digital AES ports.

I wonder really, how many % of the forum members are artists themselves seem to be a forum for artists for sure :)

I have not been here since 2009 little bit  sad to see that it is a lot less activity here now..where did people go ?

Personally I have been listening to less ambient the last few years I must admit, there is a lot less good ambient released in my opinion.
And ever since Steve Roach did move to his new home and new studio I do not think he have produced any amazing stuff to be honest..
Same goes with Robert Rich he have not released much good last few years, but I must admit the Nest album was really good.

Anyway I hope more people come back it is a nice community for sure. quite unique. 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: November 18, 2013, 07:23:10 AM »
Immersion  Read the page  Everything is clear and understandable.  :)

Thanks for the information.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: November 17, 2013, 08:09:05 PM »
I hope something will happen...File sharing is better then spotify..cause atleast then the artitsts fans do not get fooled by paying money into the wrong is like fooling people and give them good conscience to "listen" to music. But as long is it is greedy companies like spotify then file sharing and bit torrents is preferred... I am not a high beliver in that model...I like bandcamp system better..
especially if you yourself can decide what price.. A lot of artits have no job..they just need money for rent and food..
for that even small contributions can make big difference but if spotify take 99.9% it is not possible to survive on music..

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: November 17, 2013, 06:51:52 PM »
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.

yes I like the conecept...

I much comission does bandcamp take ?
are they greedy ?

15% for digital sales. That's not too bad IMO.

surprisingly low. I did expect atleast 30%...
I wonder what spotify have, probably 99% or something (shared with the label combined)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: November 17, 2013, 06:24:09 PM »
I love Bandcamp as an unsigned musician. It serves its purpose extremely well.

It's great for fans too because I know I've discovered plenty of great music there.

yes I like the conecept...

I much comission does bandcamp take ?
are they greedy ?

Mike, donīt forget that people usually eat what they get served in the Apple universe and mainly applaud in chorus….at the end i can see in anything something positive even itīs a step backwards.

Good written, yeah it is correct, the apple users will of course gratefully eat everything that is thrown to them... cause what ever choice do they have ?
Studies shows that Apples userbase is the most loyal in the world... even if apple release a bad product in the way the psychology is that with displacement they do everything in their own power and  they try to find ways to rationalize to protect themselves and there loyalism...if you are stuck in the apple swamp it is usually very hard to move from it..  Now when the new Mac PRO has no PCIe, all of the sudden every one who use apple think PCIe is obsolete and thunderbolt is the new big thing and should be used for everything.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: November 16, 2013, 11:49:55 AM »
How many people know it is 128kb/s  I do not think many...
I found it out when I did try to download some album with jdownloader.

I understand they want to keep bandwidth down.

yes I agree, the promotion could be better.  Jeff Greinke is among the best, and he is underrated.

I am not a apple user. Moving away... I am not sure...PCIe cards is still considered to have the best performance and latency, especially the RME MADI FX cards...
You can't do that with thunderbolt with such low latency.  If you do not care about latency or performance then Thunderbolt will work for you.
If you use a lot of software synths and effects, latency is important.  It is still a slap in the face.  To use a break out box for PCIe of course makes me laugh.
But yeah atleast it does work, but to then claim that apple is a better solution then PC..I am not sure how you would reason.

The Mac pro should be called mac pro portable, and they could keep tue usual mac pro mid tower series... and everyone would be happy.
But to force everyone to use thunderbolt is stupid and respectless, apples message to us is now "you must start use thunderbolt or fuck off"

5% there is a lot more people than that that use PCIe for sure.

However, Apple will now force the market to change and make more thunderbolt devices that is a direct consequence...
Another direct consequence is that a lot more people will start using PC solutions cause in reality a lot of people think the new mac pro
is a disaster in many ways.

Well it is to early to boycott PCIe, that is a slap in the face for most audio professionals.
But yeah they are trying to control the future, just like when they did boycott Adobe Flash, everyone use it...

Everything will be smaller so yeah the PCIe standard will with time  just become too much of an big form factor.
But it is important to not choose form before performance and function. if we do that there is mobile alternatives such as laptops
which compromise the performance to get a smaller form factor.

As I said Apple did just recently give a slap in the face for the whole audio pro industry,  they are now telling us just must ditch all PCIe and use thunderbolt.
well I do not want thunderbolt, it is not mature enough yet, it increase latency and cpu.  A lot of people have invested in graphic card and audio cards...
I intend to have my RME HDSPe AES for a long time and many of these sound card have atleast a 10 year life span so..yeah Apple is way ahead of its time and
it provoes that they either do not give a shit about us, and just focusing on the most profitable users or they have lost their own sense of what the market is requsting.

Most people if you really ask I think would prefer a bigger form factor with higher clock frequency and more powerful in general.

This release feels just a lig a gigantic PR stunt they just want to show that they are still inovating without steve jobs by doing something "unexpected" and "stupid" .
But they get a lot of attention, a lot of superficial who want something that looks "different" and "expensive" on there desk will of course applaud.
It will appeal to trendy People who just want to live in the illusion that they got something superior light years ahead of anything else, while what they got is
just a underclocked cpu with no internal expanssion. 

Just as with Intel thunderbolt, Intel has once again giving Apple all rights reserved on the market to use the latest intel cpu they are using , that gives Apple monopoly on the market with that cpu because of the agreement intel has made with apple to not let it out on the PC market.  This is the only indication of if the cpu will be released for PC market or not..

So yeah it is hard to compete with monopoly for sure...and that strategy have been used by apple systematically for a long time, they know what they are doing.
as long as Apple have monopoly on the cpu it will of course be hard to compete.

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