« on: November 23, 2013, 01:38:03 PM »
What the fans heard was not the tape hiss and poor quality record but the heart felt words and emotion he expressed. Certainly anyone would want to be able to capture every single subtle nuance of a performance that brilliant gear can do so well but the listener at the other end will be moved by the emotion not the the converters, pre amp or microphones used
I totally agree with you, on some of my recordings I use tape saturation, and it can add slightly tape hiss sound it can give soul to the music if desired for instance... it is the emotion and feel that counts.. and wher the music takes your mind...
It is just that if you have the right setup, you have more control of your own sound and output, you can decide youself if you want that superclean high quality sound
or if you want to color and drive the sound to get a more dirty 70s sound. For me it is more to get total control and not let the sound chain compromise. Some people take it longer then others of course... each person set there own bars of satisfaction. so it really boils down too what gives you the satisfaction ?
Are you satisfied and accepting your compromises or are you ready to just let them slip..
This right here hits the nail on the head for me. I know of musicians who have studios bristling with gear, yet rarely do I hear actual music output from them. I personally know a few people who fall into this category. They enjoy collecting the gear, building and perfecting the studio, yet don't use it for its purpose. When they do, I find myself rarely moved by the music.
I think it is nothing wrong with either things some people like it for the technical challenge, or to for fill their own dreams...often it takes a lot of time to save up money for a studio, to challenge is to keep the burning creativity alive.... I try to at least record unfinished ideas to work on... I know for sure I can't express them properly without dream sound. Every decide themselves what do to with their music but personally I find no driving force if not take things one step further there is a ocean of music out there, and is getting increasingly harder to leave a footprint in the music scene. I find personally and I am talking from a highly personal perspective that a lot of music fails miserable just because of the production, I must admit the better my listening equipment has become the more analytically my listening have become cause errors in the mix gets A LOT more noticeable and becomes an increasingly irritating factor in the musical experience..but these slips through easily in less expensive systems and often get unnoticed ....That I think is one other problem in the other end of the spectrum, where the equipment you use to create music becomes a limiting factor and does not really represent what you create but a distorted version of it.
Better equipment gives you more control at least, sometimes I want super clean and modern ambient sometimes I want to do really old school vintage Berlin school sound, where I broke really any rule in the book of a "modern" recording. So it is about to try to realize what you want to achieve, for a lot of people simply a more mid quality equipment will be enough to realize there own ideas, it is in the end about personal satisfaction as long as the person who crate it is 100% satisfied with it I have really nothing, I am just saying myself that audio quality is for me really important, and maybe I am too much of an perfectionist for my own good some times...
But I can't simply find any driving force to create the music I have in my visions unless I get that dream sound I want my driving force is to take things one step further and the general production is for me for my own inner satisfaction a lot in the sound itself, ..and I am very close now in my studio where the equipment gives me really all the tools I need to realize my visions. This was the only way for me..
Other musicians with limited budgets who rely only on software to produce their music (or simply prefer the simpler workflow of software-based solutions), or just play guitar with some reverb/delays, can produce some amazing music. Music that deeply moves me. They don't care about perfection. They're just using the tools they have to express themselves through music, and that passion shines through brighter than any music created in a pro studio.
I think there is nothing wrong with either, as long as you feel satisfactory, for me the emotional output and mind-moving qualities is the most important for me..
the production is for me important too..but it not about getting the most professional or clean sound as possible, it is to make a sound that fits the music and atmosphere and its inner pictures it create, a lot top producer would think that black metal albums sounds totally like crap, razor sharp and ear bleeding productions, for me I think it just only fits the atmosphere of the music, but as I said earlier you should have full control over it, if you want it raw and ear bleeding or super clean and smooth.
One of the main reason I bought my H8000 was cause I play guitar and it is just easy and inspiring tool.. one of the reason I want more outboard gear is cause I want to be less dependent on plugins I just want to be able to record more easy in real time and have things ready to record all the time, not dealing with plugs more then I have too, when I record I am always more of guy who prefer to record longer takes in real time. I am not a cut and paste guy. Cause I want to sit down and express myself and let my mind drift away with the music.
Immersion I'm sorry, but I'm going to single you out here. El culto called you out on this as well.Your advice is good and well-meaning, but in some of your posts you come across as elitist, which I think is fair to say, nobody really appreciates. The impression you give is: "If you're not buying top of the line gear, why bother make music at all? You're wasting your time." or "I suppose you could buy that budget-priced gear, but it's going to sound like shit." I'll blame this impression partially on the fact that we're missing vocal intonation, which makes a world of difference.
Well I am really sorry if I did come across as an elitist, I think I have explained quite wrong that all have set their own personal bars, the only thing that matters is the artists personal satisfaction, of course it is up the listeners you and me to decide and form your opinion about it. All people have the right to decide themselves what gear they need to achieve what they want. I prefer the analogue sound I use almost only virtual analogue plugins, and it is quite obvious that the real thing will sound even better then these plugins. Me personally do not find any driving force to create music I am not satisfied with, that is why I did take all these years to build my own studio instead of relying only on in the box plugins which would strongly compromise my own musical vision, and I would never feel 100% satisfied.
All that said, as I was reading through this thread, your clear passion for sonic perfection was obvious. I thought to myself: "I really want to hear this guy's music." (I'm assuming you're male, correct me if I'm wrong)
I suppose I wasn't terribly surprised to find out that you've never actually released anything . . .
Why I have not released anything is ONLY because of economical reasons I would say, it has taking me a lot of time to save up, first for a new computer 2009, I had a really slow computer before that which I could not use to record on and use soft synths on, it took me a lot of time to save up for new speakers and a new guitar,
the years pass quickly, but I have been recording "ideas" I have a big library that I can use to create songs with, cause they are recordings of my ideas for my last years...
I have no released a full album, but I have done recordings but not a full album or official release, I have decided to wait cause I have always thought I do not want to "waste" ideas I want to give them the best expression I possibly can both emotionally and sonically. I hope I will be able to realize my life works and that it will be worth the wait. I could if I wanted to record at least ambient album now if I wanted ( but my other projects and guitar driven stuff I still need to buy some more in my studio.), I have my Lexicon reverb now that I have been dreaming of for a very long time which is the main essence, and that PCM Native was released was just a big dream coming true for me, because before the plugs where released the HW boxes where simply too expensive for me and totally out of reach, I was aiming to buy a used PCM 91 but it was hardly seen on second hand sites of used music gears where I live. I decided when I was 25, now I will save all money I make to my studio..
I am 29 now it has been delayed a lot longer then I expected cause I did not hold my money good enough..wasting them on crap..
Then you go on to say you're mostly using software, which you were poo-pooing earlier. Kind of hypocritical, don't you think?
I think you misunderstand me a lot, I have nothing against plugins, I am not a anti digital guy at all, I prefer hybrid to use digital for what it is best for and analogue for
what it is best for and combined both worlds and use their own superior qualities. I use for instance software synths, I use a lot of digital plugins but I also use a lot of virtual analogue plugins these are the plugs I want to replace with real analogue equipment. It is only these virtual plugs that have made me very satisfied with my sound but using real analogue equipment I hope to take it even one step further which will be well worth the price for sure.
I applaud you[/b] for not releasing the first thing you ever completed. Too many people do that now, resulting in a glut of mediocre content. (I started in 93 and didn't release anything to the public until 98 with a tape release.) You're working toward perfection in your sound design, and no one can judge you badly for that. This is what YOU want. Excellent. Go for it!
Thank you for your support, yes it can be healthy to give it some time to breathe and you decide yourself when you feel you are ready to realize your musical visions...hopefully the time will come. Yes the ocean of music becomes to big now, in every genre...it is fair to say that in some sense it gets over flooded.. too much of the same... I think with time it will be an increasing problem I mean it will soon take multiple life times to really explore all the important music of the world... so it is best to not sink down to the bottom of these ocean and try to at least make some kind of footprint.. and find your own expression.
But until you can provide proof to your words, you need to dial it back a bit. Realize that not everyone has tons of cash to spend on high-end gear. And if you judge music or the musician purely by the tools that were used, you're missing out!
I realize that, and just with my ears listening I can understand most ambient artists have linting budget it is really not hard to tell, ambient music will not make you rich, most people use it on a hobby basis, they have bought a synth and wan to record some stuff on it with some reverb on top. I have no against that, all to its own, I am just telling you that my own driving force works different for me the sonic quality has to be there.. that is why I buy these expensive equipment, besides that I like technology in general to build my studio has been a dream for a very long time, I think for most artists it is a dream to have their own studio and fillsa big void in the life.
And the technological challenge is stimulating also learn about general sound theory how everything works.
The more you learn about the easier it gets to realize the sonic quality you seek depending on your own personal preferences and needs.