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What is the ultimate way to experience ambient music if you have a choice ?
If you have any more option you want to add...please tell me...

My choice is Headphones...


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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: January 28, 2009, 10:19:35 PM »


"Redline Monitor makes mixes sound identical on speakers and headphones."

Has anyone of you tried this ???
It might be useful... if you as me mostly use headphones...but not sure how well it does reflect the reality...

You can download it try it for free for 60 days!

http://www.112db.com/redline/monitor/

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: January 28, 2009, 12:37:50 PM »
Well, I wish there was tools directly made for ambient music and where the extreme volume and power is not in focus...but the sound quality...
In popular music today there is a competition in who have the loudest volume and much power in the mix...while this sounds good in some music
I think in general that we overuse it a lot...

Personally I sometimes use very mild compression with maybe a maximum threshold of -3.  Compressors do not only add increased volume but they could also
add improved sound quality and improved mix in general...this is what I like about for instance Waves L3.
You could do it backwards also I guess, using a limiter or in other ways make sure the volume level does not get past -6db during recording,  then afterwards you can  normalize to get a better volume level while you still the dynamic range remains unchanged. 

Another question is where in the chain the reverb should be added...it might sound best if you put it in the end of the chain on the master bus.
Depending on what reverbs you use and the quality, but for instance pure an genuine reverb algorithms from Lexion I am sure sounds best "untouched"
without any compression that does distort/dissolve the reverb algorithms.
Other less powerful reverbs might sound better if you use various audio processing tools to make it sound better...

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Spectrasonics - Omnisphere
« on: January 28, 2009, 08:49:42 AM »
I wish Omnisphere had no presets at all.
I think the menu "get a tate of omnipshere" is enough...

Robert Rich did prestes for camel audio in the past, for the synth Cameleon 5000.
Not sure if he did any for Alchemy.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: R.I.P. - Klaus Wiese
« on: January 27, 2009, 09:00:00 PM »
Very sad news, I could not believe my eyes when I saw this :(
What an tragedy :(

R.I.P Klaus

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Spectrasonics - Omnisphere
« on: January 27, 2009, 08:57:58 PM »
I have tried Omnisphere today, the presets are kind of useless as usual atleast for music production, I am sure it fits better in film/media production, what I waste of time of Spectrasonics to make so many presets, instead that they should have put more energy to improve the ability to create OWN sounds within the Steam engine. However the Synth possibilities
is still very good, you can modulate/morph the sound in many many many ways. The filters sounds awesome.

I did a little ambient recording if anyone is interested to hear...
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tz3n5kje4nw

And excuse me of the click sounds, I will buy a new soundcard next month :)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Ambient music and Mastering
« on: January 27, 2009, 08:38:41 PM »
Yes mastering with Ambient music is very different to other music. Please feel free to share your experience on this...
Personally I am still learning, I am very careful with using traditional mastering compressors such as L3, since they do take
away a lot of the "space" in the music. Ambient music is especially sensitive since it is often include a lot of reverb/space.

The Volume level is always a problem when you mix down, it usually sounds good in your DAW, but then in your media player
you notice the volume is very low, normalizing audio does not always help...

Around -8 db to -3 db I think is a good range for ambient music and where the sound sounds best.

I have yet not tried many mastering tools that works good with ambient music.  Usually analog  based mastering tools
does best, since they add warmth to the sound and do keep more of the dynamic range.  They do often color the sound and are not always as transparent.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Steve Roach News
« on: January 24, 2009, 12:42:32 PM »
I will continue to feature selected �releases from new and established artists which I find find ear-opening.�A new release from a unique duo, Lapis Ensemble, deserves your attention. Please read more about this below. �

For nearly three years I have been working on�Dynamic Stillness. This �2-CD�solo release of all-new pieces� is �coming in a few months on Projekt. It inhabits the Immersion, Mystic Chords and Magnificent Void dimensions, but deeper and further "inside".�These�are the� places I �love to live within,�and lately I've been in full habitation mode with these pieces�and their�progression�for months. I look forward to sharing this "Stillness" with you.�The official release date is April, but we will have copies at the site before then. Please stay tuned...

There� are already a� few new Timeroom Editions releases� cued up and in production, one of which is� "Destination Beyond". This� takes the momentum of Arc of Passion and Landmass� in to� the studio, resulting in a single�70-minute road trip to the next place at the next horizon.�

I will meet you there at this next horizon, and from that point look towards the next one. All the best for '09 and again, thank you for your continued interest and support of the music over the years. �

Steve Roach

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / VOID OF SILENCE - Human antithesis
« on: January 20, 2009, 09:38:00 PM »
I can really recommend this album, emotional doom metal mixed with sweeping ambient soundscapes...

www.myspace.com/voidofsilence 

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach Starting Point ?
« on: January 20, 2009, 01:39:11 PM »
Hehe lots of competent information here :)
Well I ordered the 4CD box Mystical Chords and Sacred... and the 3 immersed volumes and Possible Planet as a start (but after listening to some samples)
I guess you can't do lots of mistakes with his music.
Let's hope they arrive soon

Well, since I assume you prefer his "atmospheric space" style..you have made a very good selection!

I am very eager to see what Roach will release this year.... his music is like a drug really..can't get enough of it...
I guess he could release a new album each month if he wanted too..but I think I read somewhere in an interview..that he has set
an policy to not release more then 5-6 albums per year..to avoid quanity instead of quality...
However..I still think he should do as Robert Rich has done recently, he has begin to release "internet only" releases...
Might be a good idea for Roach aswell..

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: The Foundry: Closed
« on: January 19, 2009, 09:46:27 AM »
Not sure...what releases it was on the label...but the Seafon album is amazing...

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http://steveroach.com/Music/discography.php?albumID=415

Can't stop listening to "Divine Innermission" ...

SPIRIT DOME returns with a perfect companion, LIVE ARCHIVE. Two out-of-print releases from this acclaimed ambient duo are brought together in this value-priced 2-CD release. Living proof of the power of live performance, these recordings are so immediate and engaging it would be easy to assume they were crafted over months in the studio. LIVE ARCHIVE, from their 1997 tour, serves as a natural complement to 2004's SPIRIT DOME, recorded live to stereo master in one take in a studio-like environment. LIVE ARCHIVE was originally released as a small run on the Groove label in Holland, and has been out of print for several years.

Steve Roach / Vidna Obama's 2002 CD INNERZONE served as the doorway to the surreal environment explored on SPIRIT DOME. Recorded in one continuous 74 minute session in a hotel room in Philadelphia, this is a dark sanctuary of pure texture and beautiful, if foreboding, dissonance pulled along with pulsing beats, subtle loops and dense soundworlds. The track captures a chilling gothic ambience that offers the exploration of remote psychological states of awareness. This is achieved by way of extensive live processing of instruments including fujara (overtone flute), guitar, and the seemingly bottomless wellspring of electro-acoustic sounds found only in the duo's soundscapes.

LIVE ARCHIVE, on the other hand, collects peak performance moments of pure energy and emotion from the duo's live adventures in Europe and the US. The wide range of venues, traveling to various countries, and above all their first tour together fueled their mutual intentions, challenging the artists to create music that does not know the limits of jet lag, equipment failures, and physical demands which occur when leaving the sanctuary of the studio. The sound is steeped in their tribal-ambient period. "Verucchio Invocation" opens the CD, recorded in an Italian Roman-era open amphitheater under the stars, and the experience evolves from this exotic moment.

The artists write: "While our experience reached a level of spontaneous interaction in the studio, it was an entirely different dimension when performing live on stage at a specific moment in time. It was as if we were communicating with each other blindfolded, focusing entirely on the sound appearing in the moment and being exchanged back and forth while the energy of the audience and the space helped feed the process. Although we briefly discussed the structure of each concert, the magic simply came alive when we took the live performance map outside any form of logical preparation, relying on our mutual passion and instinct for traveling in the soundcurrent."

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach Starting Point ?
« on: January 19, 2009, 09:26:53 AM »
Not sure if there is a perfect starting point, the best would be of course to go through all his albums and see what you like...
As you can see here http://steveroach.com/store/ have done many different style...

However, Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces is for me his ultimate album...it will give you a very good insight in his music...

If prefer his more primitive 80s style I recommend Dreamtime Return (2005 version!)

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Nice, really looking forward for the Thomas Köner album of course!
But also the other releases looks interesting.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: January 11, 2009, 05:39:27 PM »
Alright, I did listen to the mp3 demo of the Eventide H8000FW. Even though it cost a fortune I will do anything in my power to get this processor... Yeah it is a A LOT of money..especially for one who is unemployed.
But I think as it looks now that I will save up money to buy it...

I did compare the mp3 samples with the much cheaper Eventide Eclipse, it was like night and day really..could not compare...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 21, 2008, 11:48:55 AM »
I seem to be at odds with a number opinions and/or assumptions expressed in this thread, although we obviously agree that PV's music has some sort of merit.

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Of course I can understand your opinions regarding PV,

I can't really understand the rather sniffy reactions, TBH. The idea of people using existing recorded music as a source for creating other compositions has been around nearly a century by now. Whether we call it turntablism, bricolage, recontextualisation, or appropriation, the idea that there's anything dubious about it seems based on a somewhat outmoded Romanticist notion of The Author, and his/her Deep Inner Expression as The Originator of a musical text etc etc...

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and the objective value of the art is not as high as original own-composed music,


Firstly, the idea that there is such a thing as 'objective value' in relation to Art is problematic. Even if it were not, and it were accepted, for that sake of argument, that there are some sort of consensual norms of value, the idea that the provenance (compositional source) of a piece of music determines its relative merit is contentious. Does knowledge of what/who generated a piece of music tarnish it somehow? (And does ignorance thus allow bliss that would be removed by such knowledge?)
Anyway, how about considering the effect rather than the provenance of an artwork as a criterion of worth?

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but every artist is still allowed and free to do and create whatever he desire without compromise...

I don't agree with this either - though it's not really salient to the debate. I think there are in fact restrictions on artistic freedom of various types, whether they be aesthetic or legal.

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To remix old classical in this fashion is for me a very interesting concept..but I can understand that people who find it totally disrespectful to artist who created the music.

I can't. I don't believe in all this business about respect - it comes from the old-fashioned notion of The Great Classical Canon, and the received wisdom that the works in this canon are somehow untouchable. I don't find anything particularly disrespectful in taking something from what is essentially a great pool of resources and recontextualising it into something else with a completeley different audience and effect (and affect) in mind.

There you go. All opinions represented here are, or course, not my own, but appropriated from Bluff Your Way Through Postmodernism [grin]

Yeah talking about objectivity in music which is an subjective experience might be meaningless.
The "experience" alone will never be objective however the way we value music I think can hold an objective value.  Copied music has always existed, but in an objective context the copied is never as highly regarded as the original/the creator, it is the creators that will get their way into the history books...not the one who copy and steal ideas... However in reality we all copy or inspire each other more or less..it is quite unavoidable since we all listen to music, we get inspired more or less either consciously or unconsciously. What really matter is the subjective experience, and your own artistic freedom to express your consciousness.

Sure the music is living in a time of "progress", the aim for most artists is to some how take the music "forward" to new ground... I think that this period of progress is necessary..but it will also come to an end sooner or later...
In future the main driving force might not be creativity and to bring music "forward".. I am very sure we will reach our limit within our own imagination. However true music which is a mirror of the consciousness I think never can be old...it is timeless...

Regarding objectivity in the music, the musical experience is an subjective experience, and I have a huge respect for the subjective experience, it is the only thing that truly holds a value (within yourself).
Of course if an artist such as PV copy all music and remix, I will of course not give him as an artist all the credit for the music, without chopin (in deathwanderings) his music would not be what it is. The basic condition for the existence of "deathwanderings" is chopins work, without him it would not exist in the same shape & form.  My point is we shall not forget the creators/inventors, it is both ignorant and disrespectful.

I do not understand when you say that an artist do not have true freedom...we all have true freedom within our own conditions... for me only your own imagination and motivation/will  is what set the limits. But of course their might be circumstances in the external which will restrict your freedom, such as the financial or physical, lack of equipment needed to express the music,  of course the biological might be an limitation as well...we all are not born perfect.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 20, 2008, 06:08:27 PM »
Of course I can understand your opinions regarding PV , and the objective value of the art is not as high as original own-composed music, but every artist is still allowed and free to do and create whatever he desire without compromise...

To remix old classical in this fashion is for me a very interesting concept..but I can understand that people who find it totally disrespectful to artist who created the music.

But if you think he can not make own music, have a listen to his album "Lunar Transit" which at least from what I know/understand is all own-composed music on a high level, deep nocturnal ambient. His sound design is quite simple though..but I am sure it will improve with time..he is still quite young from what I know, probably not more then 21 years old.




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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 20, 2008, 11:31:48 AM »
Nearly forgot... Andrew Deutsch has done some great work using the same methodology, notably Loops Over Land. A favourite of 'post-classical' (or maybe faux-classical) ambient. Apparently LOL was a major influence on Milieu's Beyond the Sea Lies the Stars - another work using loops harvested from classical records as source sounds.



http://www.divinefrequency.com/DivF05.html


Thanks, I will check it out.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 20, 2008, 11:31:05 AM »
A lot darker than what’s in the film clip, and perhaps not quite what the doctor ordered, but the description of methodology reminds me of an artist who goes by the name of Procer Veneficus. Extremely sad and desolate pieces created using classical music clips stretched and smeared into foggy ambience.

Clip here, included not for the video material, but because it offers an extended track sample: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0KgE0Zd5h9E

From the album Deathwanderings: http://www.procerveneficus.com/deathwanderings.html



Another clip: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nLg8oQyRBWw
From the album Saltwater and Glassmoon: http://www.procerveneficus.com/saltwater.html



http://www.newagedawn.co.uk/sareleases.html



Actually it is a good recommendation, I am familiar with Procer Veneficus, and I like most of his albums (even the black metal albums).  I had not heard Saltwater and Glassmoon before, but I have been listening to it twice today. It is a very good album indeed, the amazing artwork along with the album title gives such an dreamy atmosphere, which does make my mouth water.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 19, 2008, 08:24:31 PM »
Your description reminds me of Kit Watkins' release "Unraveled"
http://earthmantra.com/release-detail.php?id=52


Yeah, I have this album (among many other Witkins albums)
Maybe you did misunderstand me, cause I hear no classical music in this, this is pure ambient music to me.
I hear no piano or anything. What I want is minimalistic classical music which is very slow and mixed with ambience.

The music in the in the video clip above is for instance "moonlight sonanta" but remixed...it is slowed down and effects are added to make it more atmospheric and dreamy...

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