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Now Playing / Re: "Classical" Music or Contemporary Composition Listeners?
« on: February 11, 2009, 10:19:25 PM »
Has anyone heard Giya Kancheli ???

He is kind of comparable with Pärt...both have en spiritual approach to the music, kancheli is maybe more minimalistic and bleak....

I can recommend the following albums....

Diplipito
In l'istesso tempo
Magnum Ignotum
Exil
Abii Ne Viderem
Simi; Mourned by the Wind

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: February 11, 2009, 10:14:09 PM »
Jorge Reyes and Piet Jan Blauw "Pluma de Piedra"

This album is a real trip. Many playful and wild things going on. At one point there is the bizarre looped sound of a cackling old man, among many other delights. This is one of my favorites, and like other Reyes albums, is deep as well as entertaining. The songs on his solo albums are very focused and tend to be relatively short compared to other tribal style ambient. Any fan of Jorge should track this album down...

I will give it a try....

Now Playing : Al Gromer Khan - Mahogany Nights

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Camel Audio - Alchemy
« on: February 11, 2009, 05:42:04 PM »
http://www.camelaudio.com/Alchemy.php

This one looks quite revolutionizing. I will begin to work with Alchemy in a couple of weeks.

And what got me more interested is that Robert Rich, has included some samples from his own made flute... (among other sounds)



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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 11, 2009, 05:34:38 PM »
The compressor consist of many different sound shaping elements, such as filters etc, all together makes an complete compressor.

Compressors use filters? Time to go back and relearn what actually is an audio compressor:

http://www.barryrudolph.com/mix/comp.html

Maybe I did not express myself clearly enough,mastering tools today do not consist only of an compressor... Sonalksis mastering tools which I use, use filters for an example.
And many digital compressors that try to reproduce analogue characteristics does that to color the sound. All this in combination gives and good compressed sound.
Anyway, thanks for the article, I might learn something new.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Too loud!
« on: February 11, 2009, 04:59:01 PM »
If there is one thing good with the more modern masters and more powerful/rich sounding cds, is that they sound good on all volume levels, both low and high, I guess that is the whole point..to make a more stable and powerful output...while 90s album usually sound way more weak/thin/one dimensional....And you do not need to play it loud as fuck to get the full dynamic range within all sounds like with 90s albums ..As long as you do not overdo and create a brickwall...max the sound volume at Zero...then I think it is alright...
And not all mastering jobs are good either..there is both good and bad example of loud mixes.. but their is certainly not impossible to make good/smooth sounding mixes using compression technology...The limits is within the master engineer...

Also there is many ways to bring up the volume level..so we shall not generalize..And say that everyone just want to sound as loud as possible...I am quite sure that the artists themselves decide what they feel sound best... But I could agree that it easier to be "fooled" that louder sounds better though...the louder it is mostly the more powerful and overwhelming it sounds...
It might be true that not all artists are aware of the phenomenon when doing mixes...

depending on the music..some music sounds way better on lower volume levels...
Steve Roach Immersion series is a good example..  even though I think he have taken the low volume concept to the extreme with "A Deeper Silence", I always need to put the volume up a lot when I listen to that cd.

But Yeah even though I can agree that the ambient music as an genre gets louder and louder mixes I must say the ambient genre sounds better and better...
so I do not see this at an problem at all..

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: February 11, 2009, 04:37:40 PM »
mathias grassow - calibration (2009)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 10, 2009, 02:45:12 PM »
Yes, sorry, maybe Steve Roach was an bad example, in reality his remaster albums should rather be called "remixes". I think that every ambient artist, more or less want to sound like Steve Roach, so I can understand how artists would want him to remaster the music, while they on the other hand sacrifice their own artistic expression with 50%, but most likely the final products usually is better though...

All I am saying that remastering and ambient music is an extremely sensitive process, ambient music is about shape and forms, it is not the same as an production for an rock band for example...

But I can also agree, that 4 ears might be better then two, but I still think the best would be if the artist and creator himself is part of the remastering process, so he/she can make the artistic decisions...

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Spectrasonics - Omnisphere
« on: February 07, 2009, 12:15:52 PM »
Thank you, I am glad that at least someone likes it :)

A better tittle might have been "Sleepless Nights"
Anyway, song titles have never been my strong side....

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 06, 2009, 10:21:19 PM »
There is also an danger of letting some one else master your music in this type of music.
For instance, many of the albums that have been mastered by Steve Roach SOUNDS like Steve Roach.
Of course the final result gets better for the most part, but one should be careful before deciding someone else to form your music.

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http://www.oilandwaterfilm.com/

I can deeply recommend this film, it is only 25 minutes long, but it has some of the most beautiful moving pictures I have ever seen.
A lot of water reflection, a true poetic and artistic expression.

The soundtrack by Jeff Greinke also adds a lot of weight and melancholy to the pictures.

"Oil and Water, Reflections on Nature, Madness and Psyche, explores the relationship between humans and the natural world. Shot in Prince William Sound, Alaska, over the course of 20 years, it is an introspective chronicle of loss within the destruction of pristine wilderness. Filmmaker Corwin Fergus uses the tragedy of the Exxon Valdez oil spill to examine how wilderness is critical habitat for the human psyche and how thousands of years of cultural history have led us away from this once most obvious of truths.

Superimposing images and layering psychological inquiry with poetry, Oil and Water is an experimental environmental film, attempting to sway the heart in ways reason and science cannot. Essential to the film's premise is that the illusion of objectivity severs us from our interconnection with the earth where its fate and ours are joined. The film manages to be vast in its scope while maintaining a deeply personal narrative of the filmmaker's relationship with nature.
"



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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Fordlandia
« on: February 05, 2009, 02:11:01 PM »
The last track of this album is amazing (have forgot the name).

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 05, 2009, 01:53:09 PM »
Yes Pete, I hear you.

You got two choices, you either cut frequency bandwidth or dynamic range, which sounds best is highly relative...depending on your mix.
To some people in here, it seems almost like the pure sound is "holy" not allowed to be touched with compressors.  With an Equalizer you do
manipulate the "pureness" of sound as well, since you artificially distort the frequency spectra, with compressors you manipulate the dynamics
but with the difference that all audio information in the audio is audible in the mix. 

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 05, 2009, 09:36:02 AM »
Sorry but I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with, Immersion.

Your basic compressor (not multiband) is for controlling amplitude without respect to frequency. So it can smooth a mix that has harsh peaks by knocking those peaks down a bit ... wherever those peaks are throughout the frequency spectrum. So yes, it can cut harsh edges or volume spikes in this way.

An EQ is frequency specific. You can also lower volume peaks with it, but always over a particular frequency range. But of course you can also use it to lower particular frequencies that are already low in a mix, which a basic compressor does not do.

What's important, for me, is not so much the individual compressors used but the individual tracks you have to master. Some tracks can be in bad need of compression because of wayward dynamics that need taming, and this is often a matter of inadequate mixing (and recording) of the track in the first place. But I'd probably still use EQ along with the compressor. Or maybe use a multiband compressor.

A good mix may need no compression, but it may still need some massaging to bring it in line with other tracks on an album ... which is what mastering is all about.

Compressors are great for controlling dynamics in a live recording environment (singer, guitar, drum mics, etc).


The compressor consist of many different sound shaping elements, such as filters etc, all together makes an complete compressor.
The Sonalksis compressor does definitely sound smooth and does not destroy the sound in an non-beautiful way.
For me the compressor is not only a mastering tool, but a mixing tool, since it makes inaudible low level information audible in the mix.
Sure you could do this with EQ also, but in that way you might loose even more audio information in the mix.
And ambient music is not for instance classical music, where a total dynamic range is needed, ambient is walls of sounds... However
I think you should use booth tools, so meaningless discussion for me.....there is no wrong way to create your sounds...as long as it sounds good to your ears.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Spectrasonics - Omnisphere
« on: February 04, 2009, 11:30:18 PM »
I delete the song now above now (ambient 012)

Feel free to listen to my new ambient piece.
http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=1625.msg12999#new

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 04, 2009, 11:18:10 PM »
I still not agree about what you are all saying about compressors...
There exist so many compressors and non is the same...

For ambient music I have falled in love with the

sonalksis SV-315 Mk2 Compressor, this is very warm and soft sounding compressor with an analogue sound.
It is a good tool to cut the digital and hard edges in the sound aswell...

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Spectrasonics - Omnisphere
« on: February 04, 2009, 10:51:48 AM »
Very nicely played.  A somber mood, which I love.
Have you considered playing on live show at www.stillstream.com?  They'd eat this stuff up.

Hello Altus, thanks for your response

Never heard of stillstream, it looks interesting, I might send in something in future if I have recorded something that I think would fit.
Regarding this particular piece though, it is not complete yet, more modulation and layers needs to be added.

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I have never tried professional ear-phones, only really cheap ones.
If I buy an mp3 player some day, I might consider to buy ear-phones.
However, I could never imagine that they sound anything near as good as full size headphones...(it is at least very hard to imagine)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Spectrasonics - Omnisphere
« on: February 02, 2009, 08:16:49 PM »
I did an recording this night... it has an atmosphere of nostalgia and yearning...almost painful feeling of distant times....perfect for rainy and dreamy days...

Since it is only an improvisation (did press play and record), and I plan to expand the ideas in this recording in the future, I will only let the link be up for 48 hours, then I will delete the link.

(link removed)

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In the dark/at night, in bed, with headphones, eyes closed.

For me the ultimate way to listen to all ambient/atmospheric electronic music. It adds so much more to the experience than just 'casual listening' (eyes open / no headphones / while doing something else).

The only true test to determine how much I really like the music. My all-time favorites in electronic music all came to be after listening sessions in bed.

At the risk of sounding arrogant, but I have a hard time taking people's opinions on ambient serious, if they never listen to ambient like that. If there's one genre in music that just asks to be listened to this way, it's ambient.

I agree with you with 100%
It is only in night in bed with headphones I can fully sink into the music and shield of the outer world completely.
I also always use an "Mindfold" (can be bought from steveroach.com)

Both Steve Roach, robert rich and Asianova probably give me the most deepest listening experience...

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Does any one here perform ambient music?
« on: February 01, 2009, 02:38:57 PM »
I must say, I have never personally seen ambient music as live music, I will probably never have a need to see a live performance with ambient music.
The only exception would be Robert Rich's sleeping concerts or Steve Roach 12 hour concert/immersion...

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