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Hehe lots of competent information here
Well I ordered the 4CD box Mystical Chords and Sacred... and the 3 immersed volumes and Possible Planet as a start (but after listening to some samples)
I guess you can't do lots of mistakes with his music.
Let's hope they arrive soon
I seem to be at odds with a number opinions and/or assumptions expressed in this thread, although we obviously agree that PV's music has some sort of merit.QuoteOf course I can understand your opinions regarding PV,
I can't really understand the rather sniffy reactions, TBH. The idea of people using existing recorded music as a source for creating other compositions has been around nearly a century by now. Whether we call it turntablism, bricolage, recontextualisation, or appropriation, the idea that there's anything dubious about it seems based on a somewhat outmoded Romanticist notion of The Author, and his/her Deep Inner Expression as The Originator of a musical text etc etc...Quoteand the objective value of the art is not as high as original own-composed music,
Firstly, the idea that there is such a thing as 'objective value' in relation to Art is problematic. Even if it were not, and it were accepted, for that sake of argument, that there are some sort of consensual norms of value, the idea that the provenance (compositional source) of a piece of music determines its relative merit is contentious. Does knowledge of what/who generated a piece of music tarnish it somehow? (And does ignorance thus allow bliss that would be removed by such knowledge?)
Anyway, how about considering the effect rather than the provenance of an artwork as a criterion of worth?Quotebut every artist is still allowed and free to do and create whatever he desire without compromise...
I don't agree with this either - though it's not really salient to the debate. I think there are in fact restrictions on artistic freedom of various types, whether they be aesthetic or legal.QuoteTo remix old classical in this fashion is for me a very interesting concept..but I can understand that people who find it totally disrespectful to artist who created the music.
I can't. I don't believe in all this business about respect - it comes from the old-fashioned notion of The Great Classical Canon, and the received wisdom that the works in this canon are somehow untouchable. I don't find anything particularly disrespectful in taking something from what is essentially a great pool of resources and recontextualising it into something else with a completeley different audience and effect (and affect) in mind.
There you go. All opinions represented here are, or course, not my own, but appropriated from Bluff Your Way Through Postmodernism [grin]
Nearly forgot... Andrew Deutsch has done some great work using the same methodology, notably Loops Over Land. A favourite of 'post-classical' (or maybe faux-classical) ambient. Apparently LOL was a major influence on Milieu's Beyond the Sea Lies the Stars - another work using loops harvested from classical records as source sounds.
A lot darker than what’s in the film clip, and perhaps not quite what the doctor ordered, but the description of methodology reminds me of an artist who goes by the name of Procer Veneficus. Extremely sad and desolate pieces created using classical music clips stretched and smeared into foggy ambience.
Clip here, included not for the video material, but because it offers an extended track sample: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0KgE0Zd5h9E
From the album Deathwanderings: http://www.procerveneficus.com/deathwanderings.html
Another clip: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nLg8oQyRBWw
From the album Saltwater and Glassmoon: http://www.procerveneficus.com/saltwater.html
Your description reminds me of Kit Watkins' release "Unraveled"
and I keep forgetting to ask - what is psychic tinnitus?
I think it's when you hear someone else's tinnitus via ESP.