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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 19, 2008, 03:26:37 PM »
Yes, I have been watching some of Aleksandr Sokurov's films this week, the music in them is very good, it is classical music like nocturnes but it has been slowed down and reverb have been added. It all produce a more dreamlike and ambient sounding music. I wonder is there any artist that does this ? That does either compose own music or remix music...

An example from "Elegy of a Voyage" 108 mb/8 minutes

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=2fym2hjgs3b

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Tinnitus
« on: December 16, 2008, 10:36:46 AM »
And I who thought this thread was about Tinnitus ?

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: David Parsons - Earthlight (2008)
« on: December 16, 2008, 08:35:19 AM »
nice, glad you like it, personally I am not sure what to expect, impossible to judge by the samples.
Usually this music only make sense during deep listening in bed..for me...so we will see what I think...
I did not get any type of WOW experience of the samples at least..

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Natural Hallucinogens without drugs
« on: December 11, 2008, 10:27:58 PM »
if you watch the video a multiple of times, the hallucination will last longer.

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Everything and Nothing / Natural Hallucinogens without drugs
« on: December 11, 2008, 10:12:00 PM »
This one actually works, looks like the whole space fabric is bending inwards:)
If you have more similar to share which produce other hallucinations please share.


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Everything and Nothing / Re: Tinnitus
« on: December 11, 2008, 02:20:33 PM »
and I keep forgetting to ask - what is psychic tinnitus?

I think it's when you hear someone else's tinnitus via ESP.  ;)

It is illusionary tinnitus created by your brain... instead of the ear...

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Everything and Nothing / Encounters at the End of the World
« on: December 09, 2008, 11:02:29 PM »
If you dream away from this life/world, I recommend this film...
The beautiful visuals and landscapes gives an deeply meditative experience, which evokes introspective thoughts inside your mind.

You can read more about it and see photos here,
http://encountersfilm.com

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Everything and Nothing / Tinnitus
« on: December 08, 2008, 04:13:50 PM »
So I guess I am not alone to have Tinnitus on this forum ?

I got mine year 2003, when the earplug in the left ear did pop out during a death metal concert.
It was loud as fuck and I did stand just in front of the speaker, I did try cover my ears as good as I could, but after the break in the middle, I did try to go back of the concert hall, cause I thought it was maybe lower volume ?
I did also look around me, a lot of people did not have ear plugs so I thought I was "safe" so for like 30 minutes or so I did not cover the ears with my hands... well worst misstake in my life probably cause even today I have Tinnitus, even though I must say it has improved a lot. The first 3 weeks after the concert I did hear VERY bad on the left ear, I was scared I never would hear good again. Luckily the left ear did recover I now hear good again, but I still got Tinnitus. The Tinnitus level does vary a lot for me, I play music in headphones many hours per day, some days maybe up to 15 hours... however during periods I do not listen to much music the Tinnitus is less...so yeah I guess I should be more careful...

unfortunately my amplifier for the speakers has been broke now for some months and can't afford to buy a new one...so I have only been able to use headphones...It is quite obvious it is more straining for the ears to play with headphones cause of higher sound pressure to the ears...

The biggest problem for me is that I got a kind of unbalance between L/R ear, it is mostly noticeable in headphones, not so much when you listen in speakers luckily...I hear difference mainly in extreme high range, and low range... even though I got Tinnitus in left ear I still feel I hear better in this ear, but I am also more sensitive in the left ear to high volume etc...

Also.. Tinnitus was one of the reason that got me into Ambient music to begin with...




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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 02:53:09 PM »
It is meaningless and stupid of us to even discuss how long and album should be..it is really up to the ARTIST to decide...our opinions does really not matter...but since the limitations of the CD we have to work within certain time frames...which will limit you...Most artist seem to accept this... however when so many albums are filled to the 80 mark in this genre...this limitation should really be a problem...

If he feels right that the albums need to be 5 hours long then the artist should be allowed to do so.
But to release an 5CD album is both very expensive..and very impractical...



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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 01:08:53 PM »
Steve has released many 2cd and even 4cd albums haven't he ?
He has no problem to maintain the listeners interest for such a long time.
If the DVDa format where standard you could be so sure he would release a lot longer albums..for sure..
he record and improvise music almost all his awaken time.

Sure the fundamental elements and essence of the music can be compressed to 5 minutes...but to what purpose ? Sure it will sound nice but will it transcend the listener in such short time ?
I think not...in case you prefer superficial ambient...Myself prefer psychoactive and contemplative ambient...that does bring me in a state beyond space & time.

There is a big difference between a 5 minute sound and sounds that are hours long...
For me the music gets a part of the living environment... an living being within nature...a meditation...
If you listen to the music from this perspective you have no problem to fill your whole day with these sound worlds..and let it be a part of your own living dream..

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 11:18:56 AM »
Yeah I am understanding.
All I am saying is that we all choose what life we want to live...and what spend our time on...
Sure the reality is that we are bounded to certain circumstances beyond our control...
But we still have many of choices we can do...to bring more free time and freedom in our life...
If you want to dedicate your life to music...you have to sacrifice other things in life...
Such as low living standard..social life etc.
Of course you already know this...but I am well aware that I can't do everything I want, the time is not enough for that... the time is limited unfortunately...


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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 08:05:36 AM »

Time IS a factor for me. I have a job, a wife, a dog, a house, and lots of other things to do with my life. I am very envious of some of you who, by your postings to the Currently Listening thread, must have a lot of time to listen to music. I can't really listen to music at work any more because I'm no longer in an office but a cube and headphones are pointless because I'm constantly interupted. Perhaps if my situation were different, I'd feel differently about this as a listener. But as a reviewer, I dread seeing a total length on a CD back cover of 80 minutes - I just dread it.

You seem to live a far too stressful life man :)
80 minutes are not long at all I think...
Well to some of us music IS life..if you want to be able to live such lifestyle..you will find a way to do it..
It is this type of urban stress that want's me to move away from the western world..and live a more simple life...in harmony with nature...


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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 08:01:24 AM »
I would have no problem to listen to an album for 15-16 hours in front of the computer.
It would be a part of my living environment...of course I would not be able to dedicate my WHOLE consciousness towards the music for such a long period of time..but if I am in front the computer there is plenty things I could do..

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 07:52:18 AM »
We humans have a limited attention span yes. But it is all relative to the music, as I said above if you are in deep trance..you loose perspective on time...

I think there should be no limit of how long an actual album can be. No one force you to listen at the album in one take, you can always take a break etc...or listen to the rest when you feel like it...

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 05, 2008, 08:08:59 PM »

Immersion bringing up Roach's "Immersion 2" reminded me of something I've been meaning to do for a long time.  My question to myself was, are the Immersion releases really just looping every minute or so?  I loaded up a few of the Immersion tracks and viewed them in a spectral frequency display for the answer.  Actually, I just needed to see the waveform once it loaded up and my question was answered.  There is constant change happening throughout all the Immersion releases.  I suspected that was the case, but now I know.   :D
Was anyone else wondering this?

Many are fooled to believe that it is just a loop, he press play and push the loop button..well people who think so are either deaf, or they do not listen deep enough.

When he compose the immersion series from what I know..he is always does it in real time... on the edge of time "without beginning without end..."..he have even said that it is the most hard and challenging music to compose...
Sine it require such intense focus. He said something similar in some interview I read...

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 05, 2008, 07:58:17 PM »
I still feel that many many albums which have an amazing concept usually deserve a 2cd release...
In my opinion you have to compromise a lot keep track of time etc... so everything fit in these 80 minutes...
If you have come up with a great concept I think you should take it to it's limit and expand the concept as much as you can while you still do not sacrifice quality and substance...

I absolutely hate artists that adds b-sides or bonus martial unrelated to the album/concept...just to fill the cd...M.Grassow is probably the master of this.

I feel that with many of Steve roach's releases is too dynamic... He usually always fills a cd to the max...
the music have way more power if it is more hypnotic and minimalistic..usually better to slow down the tempo a bit and make it less dynamic... if a part is 5 minutes it might just be way better if it is going on for 10 minutes imo...this is of course not a golden rule to follow...it is all relative... but all what I am saying..never let the limit of the CD format compromise your music...

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 05, 2008, 11:38:30 AM »
It does really depend on the music I agree...but I think that in many cases a 2cd album is the ideal..a longer playback time have a deeper impact on the listener....if the music manage to keep your attention for that long...

But with deep transcendental music you loose the perspective of time...the time gets relative towards the music...
sometimes it slows down time drastically..sometimes it speed up time...without you are awareness...
So when I am in a state beyond time and space, the time does matters not. 160 minutes might feel dead boring when I listen to it in a more superficial sense...but when I listen to it in bed with headphones and the mindfold to cover my eyes...the music takes me beyond time & space.

I feel this with many Steve Roach albums for, right in the last minutes of "immersion 2" the it gets very slow...it really feels like the music want to continue longer...

I am sure if the CD would allow longer playtime, I am sure we would see many more albums that goes beyond the 80 minutes....however..because of mainly financial reasons we choose mostly to keep the music on just one cd.
In other words we let the music and the art suffer just because of financial profit.. it is a tragedy...

The ambient market is such a niche market, a lot of audiophiles etc..  so I think it would be no problem if the artist did release on DVDa instead, people would buy it... I would certainly not mind...but I can understand why artists/label would mind..I think that is the main reason..cause it is more expensive to press DVDs then CD, and labels and artist cares about their money and profit a lot...




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Everything and Nothing / How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 05, 2008, 05:38:42 AM »
It seems to be very common the ambient genre, to fill the cd to exactly the 80 minute mark, involuntary...it is so obvious that the music want's to continue longer..I find it tragic that the music is not allowed to be as what it want to be...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: David Parsons - Earthlight (2008)
« on: December 04, 2008, 10:24:12 AM »
Great review, very well written...really excited to hear this album..the last album was really amazing!
Same with "Inner Places"

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Asianova?
« on: December 03, 2008, 04:45:12 PM »
Well rookie they are definitely not..they know what they are doing...
I did think the same at first...took some time to get a grip of the music..and connect with it on a deeper...

Maybe give "Terminal Ferocity" album a chance...it is much more deeper...


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