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Nice, really looking forward for the Thomas Köner album of course!
But also the other releases looks interesting.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: January 11, 2009, 05:39:27 PM »
Alright, I did listen to the mp3 demo of the Eventide H8000FW. Even though it cost a fortune I will do anything in my power to get this processor... Yeah it is a A LOT of money..especially for one who is unemployed.
But I think as it looks now that I will save up money to buy it...

I did compare the mp3 samples with the much cheaper Eventide Eclipse, it was like night and day really..could not compare...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 21, 2008, 11:48:55 AM »
I seem to be at odds with a number opinions and/or assumptions expressed in this thread, although we obviously agree that PV's music has some sort of merit.

Of course I can understand your opinions regarding PV,

I can't really understand the rather sniffy reactions, TBH. The idea of people using existing recorded music as a source for creating other compositions has been around nearly a century by now. Whether we call it turntablism, bricolage, recontextualisation, or appropriation, the idea that there's anything dubious about it seems based on a somewhat outmoded Romanticist notion of The Author, and his/her Deep Inner Expression as The Originator of a musical text etc etc...

and the objective value of the art is not as high as original own-composed music,

Firstly, the idea that there is such a thing as 'objective value' in relation to Art is problematic. Even if it were not, and it were accepted, for that sake of argument, that there are some sort of consensual norms of value, the idea that the provenance (compositional source) of a piece of music determines its relative merit is contentious. Does knowledge of what/who generated a piece of music tarnish it somehow? (And does ignorance thus allow bliss that would be removed by such knowledge?)
Anyway, how about considering the effect rather than the provenance of an artwork as a criterion of worth?

but every artist is still allowed and free to do and create whatever he desire without compromise...

I don't agree with this either - though it's not really salient to the debate. I think there are in fact restrictions on artistic freedom of various types, whether they be aesthetic or legal.

To remix old classical in this fashion is for me a very interesting concept..but I can understand that people who find it totally disrespectful to artist who created the music.

I can't. I don't believe in all this business about respect - it comes from the old-fashioned notion of The Great Classical Canon, and the received wisdom that the works in this canon are somehow untouchable. I don't find anything particularly disrespectful in taking something from what is essentially a great pool of resources and recontextualising it into something else with a completeley different audience and effect (and affect) in mind.

There you go. All opinions represented here are, or course, not my own, but appropriated from Bluff Your Way Through Postmodernism [grin]

Yeah talking about objectivity in music which is an subjective experience might be meaningless.
The "experience" alone will never be objective however the way we value music I think can hold an objective value.  Copied music has always existed, but in an objective context the copied is never as highly regarded as the original/the creator, it is the creators that will get their way into the history books...not the one who copy and steal ideas... However in reality we all copy or inspire each other more or is quite unavoidable since we all listen to music, we get inspired more or less either consciously or unconsciously. What really matter is the subjective experience, and your own artistic freedom to express your consciousness.

Sure the music is living in a time of "progress", the aim for most artists is to some how take the music "forward" to new ground... I think that this period of progress is necessary..but it will also come to an end sooner or later...
In future the main driving force might not be creativity and to bring music "forward".. I am very sure we will reach our limit within our own imagination. However true music which is a mirror of the consciousness I think never can be is timeless...

Regarding objectivity in the music, the musical experience is an subjective experience, and I have a huge respect for the subjective experience, it is the only thing that truly holds a value (within yourself).
Of course if an artist such as PV copy all music and remix, I will of course not give him as an artist all the credit for the music, without chopin (in deathwanderings) his music would not be what it is. The basic condition for the existence of "deathwanderings" is chopins work, without him it would not exist in the same shape & form.  My point is we shall not forget the creators/inventors, it is both ignorant and disrespectful.

I do not understand when you say that an artist do not have true freedom...we all have true freedom within our own conditions... for me only your own imagination and motivation/will  is what set the limits. But of course their might be circumstances in the external which will restrict your freedom, such as the financial or physical, lack of equipment needed to express the music,  of course the biological might be an limitation as well...we all are not born perfect.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 20, 2008, 06:08:27 PM »
Of course I can understand your opinions regarding PV , and the objective value of the art is not as high as original own-composed music, but every artist is still allowed and free to do and create whatever he desire without compromise...

To remix old classical in this fashion is for me a very interesting concept..but I can understand that people who find it totally disrespectful to artist who created the music.

But if you think he can not make own music, have a listen to his album "Lunar Transit" which at least from what I know/understand is all own-composed music on a high level, deep nocturnal ambient. His sound design is quite simple though..but I am sure it will improve with time..he is still quite young from what I know, probably not more then 21 years old.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 20, 2008, 11:31:48 AM »
Nearly forgot... Andrew Deutsch has done some great work using the same methodology, notably Loops Over Land. A favourite of 'post-classical' (or maybe faux-classical) ambient. Apparently LOL was a major influence on Milieu's Beyond the Sea Lies the Stars - another work using loops harvested from classical records as source sounds.

Thanks, I will check it out.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 20, 2008, 11:31:05 AM »
A lot darker than what’s in the film clip, and perhaps not quite what the doctor ordered, but the description of methodology reminds me of an artist who goes by the name of Procer Veneficus. Extremely sad and desolate pieces created using classical music clips stretched and smeared into foggy ambience.

Clip here, included not for the video material, but because it offers an extended track sample:

From the album Deathwanderings:

Another clip:
From the album Saltwater and Glassmoon:

Actually it is a good recommendation, I am familiar with Procer Veneficus, and I like most of his albums (even the black metal albums).  I had not heard Saltwater and Glassmoon before, but I have been listening to it twice today. It is a very good album indeed, the amazing artwork along with the album title gives such an dreamy atmosphere, which does make my mouth water.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 19, 2008, 08:24:31 PM »
Your description reminds me of Kit Watkins' release "Unraveled"

Yeah, I have this album (among many other Witkins albums)
Maybe you did misunderstand me, cause I hear no classical music in this, this is pure ambient music to me.
I hear no piano or anything. What I want is minimalistic classical music which is very slow and mixed with ambience.

The music in the in the video clip above is for instance "moonlight sonanta" but is slowed down and effects are added to make it more atmospheric and dreamy...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Dreamlike/ambient Classical Music ?
« on: December 19, 2008, 03:26:37 PM »
Yes, I have been watching some of Aleksandr Sokurov's films this week, the music in them is very good, it is classical music like nocturnes but it has been slowed down and reverb have been added. It all produce a more dreamlike and ambient sounding music. I wonder is there any artist that does this ? That does either compose own music or remix music...

An example from "Elegy of a Voyage" 108 mb/8 minutes

Everything and Nothing / Re: Tinnitus
« on: December 16, 2008, 10:36:46 AM »
And I who thought this thread was about Tinnitus ?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: David Parsons - Earthlight (2008)
« on: December 16, 2008, 08:35:19 AM »
nice, glad you like it, personally I am not sure what to expect, impossible to judge by the samples.
Usually this music only make sense during deep listening in bed..for we will see what I think...
I did not get any type of WOW experience of the samples at least..

Everything and Nothing / Re: Natural Hallucinogens without drugs
« on: December 11, 2008, 10:27:58 PM »
if you watch the video a multiple of times, the hallucination will last longer.

Everything and Nothing / Natural Hallucinogens without drugs
« on: December 11, 2008, 10:12:00 PM »
This one actually works, looks like the whole space fabric is bending inwards:)
If you have more similar to share which produce other hallucinations please share.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Tinnitus
« on: December 11, 2008, 02:20:33 PM »
and I keep forgetting to ask - what is psychic tinnitus?

I think it's when you hear someone else's tinnitus via ESP.  ;)

It is illusionary tinnitus created by your brain... instead of the ear...

Everything and Nothing / Encounters at the End of the World
« on: December 09, 2008, 11:02:29 PM »
If you dream away from this life/world, I recommend this film...
The beautiful visuals and landscapes gives an deeply meditative experience, which evokes introspective thoughts inside your mind.

You can read more about it and see photos here,

Everything and Nothing / Tinnitus
« on: December 08, 2008, 04:13:50 PM »
So I guess I am not alone to have Tinnitus on this forum ?

I got mine year 2003, when the earplug in the left ear did pop out during a death metal concert.
It was loud as fuck and I did stand just in front of the speaker, I did try cover my ears as good as I could, but after the break in the middle, I did try to go back of the concert hall, cause I thought it was maybe lower volume ?
I did also look around me, a lot of people did not have ear plugs so I thought I was "safe" so for like 30 minutes or so I did not cover the ears with my hands... well worst misstake in my life probably cause even today I have Tinnitus, even though I must say it has improved a lot. The first 3 weeks after the concert I did hear VERY bad on the left ear, I was scared I never would hear good again. Luckily the left ear did recover I now hear good again, but I still got Tinnitus. The Tinnitus level does vary a lot for me, I play music in headphones many hours per day, some days maybe up to 15 hours... however during periods I do not listen to much music the Tinnitus is yeah I guess I should be more careful...

unfortunately my amplifier for the speakers has been broke now for some months and can't afford to buy a new I have only been able to use headphones...It is quite obvious it is more straining for the ears to play with headphones cause of higher sound pressure to the ears...

The biggest problem for me is that I got a kind of unbalance between L/R ear, it is mostly noticeable in headphones, not so much when you listen in speakers luckily...I hear difference mainly in extreme high range, and low range... even though I got Tinnitus in left ear I still feel I hear better in this ear, but I am also more sensitive in the left ear to high volume etc...

Also.. Tinnitus was one of the reason that got me into Ambient music to begin with...

Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 02:53:09 PM »
It is meaningless and stupid of us to even discuss how long and album should is really up to the ARTIST to decide...our opinions does really not matter...but since the limitations of the CD we have to work within certain time frames...which will limit you...Most artist seem to accept this... however when so many albums are filled to the 80 mark in this genre...this limitation should really be a problem...

If he feels right that the albums need to be 5 hours long then the artist should be allowed to do so.
But to release an 5CD album is both very expensive..and very impractical...

Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 01:08:53 PM »
Steve has released many 2cd and even 4cd albums haven't he ?
He has no problem to maintain the listeners interest for such a long time.
If the DVDa format where standard you could be so sure he would release a lot longer albums..for sure..
he record and improvise music almost all his awaken time.

Sure the fundamental elements and essence of the music can be compressed to 5 minutes...but to what purpose ? Sure it will sound nice but will it transcend the listener in such short time ?
I think case you prefer superficial ambient...Myself prefer psychoactive and contemplative ambient...that does bring me in a state beyond space & time.

There is a big difference between a 5 minute sound and sounds that are hours long...
For me the music gets a part of the living environment... an living being within nature...a meditation...
If you listen to the music from this perspective you have no problem to fill your whole day with these sound worlds..and let it be a part of your own living dream..

Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 11:18:56 AM »
Yeah I am understanding.
All I am saying is that we all choose what life we want to live...and what spend our time on...
Sure the reality is that we are bounded to certain circumstances beyond our control...
But we still have many of choices we can bring more free time and freedom in our life...
If you want to dedicate your life to have to sacrifice other things in life...
Such as low living life etc.
Of course you already know this...but I am well aware that I can't do everything I want, the time is not enough for that... the time is limited unfortunately...

Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 08:05:36 AM »

Time IS a factor for me. I have a job, a wife, a dog, a house, and lots of other things to do with my life. I am very envious of some of you who, by your postings to the Currently Listening thread, must have a lot of time to listen to music. I can't really listen to music at work any more because I'm no longer in an office but a cube and headphones are pointless because I'm constantly interupted. Perhaps if my situation were different, I'd feel differently about this as a listener. But as a reviewer, I dread seeing a total length on a CD back cover of 80 minutes - I just dread it.

You seem to live a far too stressful life man :)
80 minutes are not long at all I think...
Well to some of us music IS life..if you want to be able to live such will find a way to do it..
It is this type of urban stress that want's me to move away from the western world..and live a more simple harmony with nature...

Everything and Nothing / Re: How the CD format compromise the music
« on: December 06, 2008, 08:01:24 AM »
I would have no problem to listen to an album for 15-16 hours in front of the computer.
It would be a part of my living environment...of course I would not be able to dedicate my WHOLE consciousness towards the music for such a long period of time..but if I am in front the computer there is plenty things I could do..

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