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I am of the opinion that it is a human right to download the album and hear it before I decide to buy it. I do not feel like spending money on an album that I do not like.

A "human right?"  Gosh, who can argue with "human rights?"  That makes it sound so noble.

Maybe a slightly less euphemistic way of saying what you just said is that you think piracy/bootlegging is OK as long as you buy CDs of the downloaded materials you like best.

While that's a better approach that just downloading everything you want, and never buying anything, don't mistake this as a "human right" -- it's still a violation of the rights of the artists and labels in question.  Considering the number of independent artists and labels who visit this Forum, not to mention the fact that this Forum is owned by maintained by a record label, we're not going to get into pushing a point of view that piracy or bootlegging is harmless or a "human right."  Sheesh.

And again, giving people links or names of places where they can download pirated ambient music will not be accepted here.

This is an philosophical debate, I respect your opinion I hope you respect mine. Even though we live in an capitalistic market economy I think, no music holds an financial value, I do not agree with the thought that you must "pay" to hear music. It might have been so in the past when labels did not gives any other choice,  but now and in the future the music will flow free thanks to internet and file sharing, and I see this a good thing to let culture and information flow free.

I have no interest to protect Hollywood or the MTV top 100 mass produced crap industry. I only care about independent music which is not made to gain financial profit but only inner satisfaction and pleasure. We live in an time where almost every person can create music, build their own home studio and record music, you no longer need expensive studios to record music. Anyway, I have no respect for artists who "demand" money in return to listen to their music, it is something very wrong about that.

Maybe you are unaware, but the cd format and physical music media is dying a slow death. In future, we will need no labels or middle hands...who steals the artists income... And remember, the cd sale has always been a very little part of the income for artists, since the labels take everything, unless you have your own label of course... you get the most of the income by doing live shows and sell shirts etc

I am of the opinion that it is a human right to download the album and hear it before I decide to buy it. I do not feel like spending money on an album that I do not like.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: April 18, 2009, 02:14:57 PM »
Still waiting to hear some professional opinion about the Redline Reverb.
I think I like it more now...I might use it in future... but still unsure how it compares with the impulse reverbs.

I am listening to it as well, I am still waiting for my CD, but I have downloaded it from [edited by forum administrator]. (yes please come and spank me)

I am not sure if it is as good as I expected, but it will definitely take some time to sink into this music, I think it will maybe grow
and with time new doors will be opened.
And I will wait to give my final judgment when I have my new soundcard and my headphone amp setup.
The sound is not smooth and clear enough with my soundcard Line 6 POD X3 (only a temporary solution)

But I can already now say, it is not better then Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces. It is still Steve Roach's ultimate masterpiece.

[note: I deleted the name of the place where Immersion said he downloaded a bootleg copy of Dynamic Stillness.  While he paid for a copy, and I understand his eagerness to hear the music in advance of his CD arriving, it's not OK to tell people where they can download ambient music without paying for it -- not everybody is scrupulous enough to order the CD rather than just downloading it for free.  -mgriffin]

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: April 16, 2009, 09:55:46 AM »
Nice rack :)

Myself is saving up for the H8000FW and after that the PCM96 :)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: April 16, 2009, 06:59:39 AM »
Lexicon Pantheon is a joke I must say, it sounds really crap, I think it destroys Lexicons trademark when they release such crap.

I still wish the Redline Reverb was more clean sounding and less "grainy". However this kind of grainy sound work excellent for some sounds though...
I really like the Waterfall reverbs (s)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: April 16, 2009, 06:09:34 AM »
It is good if you seek a "warm" reverb, but in my opinion, this works best only with a certain kind of sounds, if you want that "warm feel"
If you want the "fresh" and crystal clear sound of Lexicon this might not be the best... atleast not what I have heard so far...
Even though it is said to be based on Lexicon sound....I am not sure I agree..

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: April 15, 2009, 07:28:42 PM » have anyone tried it ?
To my ears it sound ok, you can make very long reverbs with it.
But it is not as crystal clear as an hardware reverb probably.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Lossless .flac vs CD
« on: April 13, 2009, 07:06:51 PM »
I like Flac.  But I think the prices are unreasonable.

The only thing I really like about cds, is that you have to wait for it to arrive in your postbox.
I like the first time you hold the cd in your hand, then I play the cd ONE time, then I rip it to flac or mp3.
Then I never play the cd again. I do not even own a traditional cd player.

One more good thing about digital music, it does not take physical space, if I would have my entire mp3 collection as cd I would need to buy an new bigger apartment :)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: How to create the Illusion...
« on: April 13, 2009, 06:25:38 PM »
The effect I am talking about, should work on all sounds, and maybe even whole mixes...

One hit and note should be demonstrate the technique.
It must sound like the sound is always on the "edge" of time, like it is only moving "downwards" in space & time.
If you understand, I want the form of the sound to feel "elastic" like you are dragging the sound back and forth.
To manipulate early reflections and the tail length in an probably a good start...

To use an stereo image balancing tool, to drag the sound towards the sides to the center might give the illusions of "falling".
Or that you get "sucked" into a black hole.

Wayne Higgins: I am listening to your song, and I am not sure this is what I am after.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: O÷phoi
« on: April 13, 2009, 06:15:19 PM »
Where can we read this story ?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: O÷phoi
« on: April 13, 2009, 04:27:54 PM »
That will be interesting to hear for sure and I am looking forward to hear his new Eventide Processors, I am sure it will sound amazing :)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: O÷phoi
« on: April 12, 2009, 11:10:49 PM »
His EP ALGOL I can recommend...a pure diamond...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: O÷phoi
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:28:22 PM »
I do not think the market should be any concern, he should not compromise himself... I think he should just follow his instinct and  the flow, and just release everything that he thinks is good.
It does not matter if they on the surface sounds very similar, the mental experience is very different.. His music is more like abstract dreams...
When I put on my headphones in the night in bed...every listen is an different journey/voyage...

Well, it might be a good idea, to slow down..sit down and reflect... and seek a new essence....

Also maybe..not  release so many EPs, I think LPs have more profound impact and holds an deeper meaning....

Other Ambient (and related) Music / O÷phoi
« on: April 11, 2009, 04:04:15 PM »
Seems like O÷phoi has slowed down his release flow quite a bit...and his label "Umbra" has been pretty much dead since 2008.
I hope he has not lost his inspiration and artistic glow.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / How to create the Illusion...
« on: April 10, 2009, 03:48:35 PM »
How to create the illusion of always "falling" endlessly with sound ?
You feel weightless...
Some Ambience have this drifting/falling feel (in an metaphysical sense).

I wonder how to create this illusion with sound ?
I know Pitch/Reverb is important maybe "stretching" as well.....but I would like to know more in depth if possible.

Well if some one could demonstrate the technique...

With a simple piano hit or something...and massive reverb...

I hope I can afford to buy it tomorrow, I am a poor fuck...
right now...but this cd is really want...Steve Roach is pretty much the only cds
I have bought the last 2 years, I think ESOTERIC - The Manaical Vale, was the only cd I bought last year
. And it is so exciting to wait for them, once I order them
it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to arrive, it is always exciting to look in the post box if it
has arrived :)
And it is magical when you finally hold the disc in your hand! :)
You do not get the same feeling with mp3 for sure...

I am trying to not have too high expectations, but I try to be more "spiritually ready" to perceive this music...
Cause of my low-quality soundcard..I have not been able to enjoy deep ambient music for some time now...
How however Metal music works fine though...I aim to buy a new sound card this month...where I hope
I will enjoy a more deep and detailed sound...

It sucks, that I only have like 2 dollars on my accounts right now...Can't order the cd :(

It is hard to judge now... To be honest I did expect some more similar to Brian Parnham's "Mantle"
But it really impossible to say now... It sounds really deep that is for sure...I think I will have similar experiences as to Mystic & chords & Immersion.
We will see once I am "inside" the music when I listen to it in bed with headphones, that's the real deep listening test...

MP3 clips have been posted.

Nice, sounds very good..

Damn I really miss my old soundcard and my old headphone amp... ambient does not sound very good in my soundcard POD X3 (only use it temporary)
really hope I will get my new PCIe soundcard until I get the CD.

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