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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 10:42:34 AM »
We don't agree, Immersion, because I believe it's possible for someone to prefer a Mac without being stupid.   

You're being rude and condescending, and worse yet you're doing so from a position of admitted ignorance.  But as it's obvious you're set in your beliefs so I won't argue about this any more.

I could of course say the same about you MAC people who..look down on us PC users..it is for sure the same admitted ignorance..
I am sorry, I really do not hope you take it personally. What I am saying is from my point of view just pure fact, and the reality I am living in...
Obviously we live in different realities and which I have no problem with, this is human nature...and that is what make us all different and unique :)



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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 10:39:40 AM »
Bottom line we are now at a point where computers should not be the weak link in the chain when it comes to music production, with quad cores, 4 gigs or ram as a starting point, power is not the issue.


I hope you are joking right ?
Sure with todays Software the computer might not be the weak link, but already there is coming new software that is VERY cpu demanding and more powerful and that take advantage of the CPU power.
T-Racks 3 which I use a lot is an cpu eater. So I think there will take many many many years until the computer is not the weak link in the production chain since the software is going to get more and more powerful in parallel with the how the CPU/Memory power evolve.

And about my Laptop comment, If you read what I said, I said..only in "general" there is exceptions, compared with workstations they are still toys though :)
So it is all relative..
 




Actually I was not. Yes there always will be some software companies who like to push the bounds of processing power, but products such as Waves, Abbey Road, URS and others all are considered professional software and are all relatively processor efficient.

I have recorded and mixed numerous projects with an average of 24 - 36 tracks while sending 16 channels of output on a single processor AMD for years with very little CPU struggle. I have played shows, flawlessly with multiple live softsynths on a single processor Intel celeron.

Even low level budget Dells have 4 x the power now...my studio computer is a quad core intel with 4 gigs of Ram, I just did a sound design session with 200 tracks before rendering (which is a ridiculous track count) numerous plug-ins and I was barely at 75% of the computer's power.

So yeah, to use your arguments since you assume most folks here are not audio "professionals" needing big ticket macs and such...power should not be an issue.


John...buy the Mac from Best buy and be happy, it will rock. Let your computer inspire you and make you happy, you will make better music.

Paul

Well..why the programs today are so CPU efficient is because that we compromise a lot..as well..it has it's price... in sound quality..
It is of course hard to imagine now how the possibilities would change with more computer power.
But I think the difference will be so great that in about 10-15 years all our productions today will sound just very digital and obsolete.
So I think we have a long way to go..before the computer is not an limited factor of your own expression...but computer power is certainly something
we could need more of... And Maybe we will soon begin to use GPU's for DSP ? these PhysX cards looks promising for the future if we could adapt it to audio processing..it would be interesting... It would be especially good for reverbs I can imagine.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 10:32:02 AM »
I'm not trying to convince you a Mac is better.  My point isn't that one platform is superior to the other, in fact I think the reverse is true and that it's a matter of personal preference.  I'm not trying to "protect my status" because my preference for Apple computers it not based on ignorance (as you admit your own preference for Windows over Mac is based on experience with one, but not the other).  I've been an IT professional and network admin since Windows 3.1, and I understand Windows as well as anybody on this Forum. 

My main point is that your assertion that Mac users are all vain, shallow and stupid is not only wrong, but also insulting.

I guess we agree on with each other then.

As I said, the only thing that talks against the MAC is the price, and if you pay for something that is overpriced I find that people stupid, unless you are rich of course and the money factor is of no relevance...

The price and the vast freedom of choice when it comes to hardware... (that might be confusing to some people) is things that talks for PC.

If you are rich and do not care about money and have no experience in building computers or computer hardware in general you should really buy an MAC, that is my advice...


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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 10:17:22 AM »
I assume you are an APPLE user yourself...

I prefer to use a Mac when I can but I also have enough expertise with Windows that I'm not talking from a position of ignorance.


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We are not talking about professional musicians or recording studios now do we ?
Of course as I said if you have a lot of money to waste, you can buy an mac pro, it is not like it will be worse then PC ?

Why professionals prefer Mac is probably cause it is more simple and things just work.
MAC is for lazy and rich people, where mac could be described as the "royce royce", sure an royce royce gives you social status...but an normal care though..fills it's function just as good..

I guess it's silly of me to think that some people might prefer using a Mac because of legitimate preference.  Apparently only ignorant and lazy people who are seeking social status would actually use them, right? 

It seems you have no direct experience with Macs and are making these dismissive statements to support your own preference.   Stating an uninformed opinion more forcefully does not reduce the ignorance behind the statement.

I guess you can read my mind right ?
Actually I have never tried an MAC myself, and maybe cause I see no reason to do it.. but my knowledge is still enough to know what I am talking about.
SO I am proud PC users at the moment :)
Of a Core i7 920 and 12 GB tripple channel 1600MHZ DDR3 :)

well this is an PC/MAC debate/war :)
So of course everyone with MAC must protect their own status same with the PC people :)
So I can understand that you need to convince me how much better MAC is, but I am sorry, you will not succeed :)
My opinion remain unchanged and you read it my post above. :-*


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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 10:09:15 AM »
Bottom line we are now at a point where computers should not be the weak link in the chain when it comes to music production, with quad cores, 4 gigs or ram as a starting point, power is not the issue.


I hope you are joking right ?
Sure with todays Software the computer might not be the weak link, but already there is coming new software that is VERY cpu demanding and more powerful and that take advantage of the CPU power.
T-Racks 3 which I use a lot is an cpu eater. So I think there will take many many many years until the computer is not the weak link in the production chain since the software is going to get more and more powerful in parallel with the how the CPU/Memory power evolve.

And about my Laptop comment, If you read what I said, I said..only in "general" there is exceptions, compared with workstations they are still toys though :)
So it is all relative..
 

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 09:49:39 AM »
Immersion, your posts above are so full of misinformation as to cross the line into unintended humor. 

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the only reason why you want to buy a Mac is because you want to be different...

Could you possible be more condescending?  I guess there are a lot of recording artists who are mostly preoccupied with trying to seem different.  There couldn't possibly be any reasons why people might actually prefer a Mac, right?

The fact is, there are plenty of very serious musicians, creating great music and in some cases earning a fortune from their music, using laptops.  You may think it's "funny" but by any standard you'd like to measure, there is plenty of "serious" and "successful" music being made using laptops.

Furthermore, the idea that Apple computers are somehow unproven in the areas of digital audio and music production is ridiculous.  Have you ever read any kind of magazines like Electronic Musician, or Keyboard, or Recording, or EQ, or Sound on Sound, or Future Music, or any of the other magazines that show what kind of gear people are using?  Professional musicians and recording studios using Apple hardware and software certainly outnumber those using PC/Windows setups, and toward the highest of the high end, the ratio is even more in Apple's favor. 

I certainly have nothing against people who use Windows for music or audio production work, and I do have one PC in the studio that I use for Sound Forgel.  I'm just saying that the suggestions that Apple is somehow a risky choice for a digital musician, or that MacOS lags behind Windows in terms of acceptance in the area of digital media, are laughable.

I assume you are an APPLE user yourself...

We are not talking about professional musicians or recording studios now do we ?
Of course as I said if you have a lot of money to waste, you can buy an mac pro, it is not like it will be worse then PC ?

Why professionals prefer Mac is probably cause it is more simple and things just work.
MAC is for lazy and rich people, where mac could be described as the "royce royce", sure an royce royce gives you social status...but an normal care though..fills it's function just as good..

With PC you have a bigger freedom of choice when comes to the choice of hardware, this means more conflicts and problems.
However with enough research you can get just as good working system for a better price.

When it comes to performence the difference is from what I know kind of minimal, it is not big enough to use either PC/Mac..after all it is about the same hardware..the only difference is on software level.

So I am sorry, I find no respect for the Apple people, who think they are just better...they are just being stupid for pay for overpriced hardware.
But sure if you are rich and money is no problem buy an MAC. Personally I would never do it.
 




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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 09:31:56 AM »
Actually Vista is not that bad anymore, he have got rid of most of it's child sicknesses since SP1, and SP2 will soon be released.
I use Vista myself, and I like it way better then XP.  But important to be said is..that Vista is made for the latest generation of computers
While XP works better for older computer, if you run an old computer on Vista it will go very slow.  Newer systems have better multi tasking power and memory bandwidth, which works better for Vista since it use many more background services (Too many some people claim)... And to it use memory I do not see that at something negative, unused memory is worthless and of new use... Systems like Unix use even more..it uses 98% .

So if you had an old computer while trying Vista, I am sure you had a bad experience with vista...

Why programs do not work etc..You can't blame vista for that, of course the ideal would be flawless back compatibility, but all programs that are coded for Vista works...though.and with time more and more programs has been written for Vista which means..less problems in general..

Windows 7 is an expansion of Vista more or less, it uses the same kernal, , so we can expect it to be what Vista should had been...so I do not think you will need to wait for an SP2.

Hehe it is ok, well just run your laptop in the DPC Latency Checker program and you will see what I mean when I say "toys"   ;D

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 08:26:40 AM »
Well a lot have changed since 1999. For instance Apple do not have their own CPU anymore, the only component they are responsible for is the motherboard these days...The difference is mainly software-based these days...
And I guess, this is the PCs weak point..the OS...However Windows 7 is soon released...and I have high hopes for it...

Regarding Viruses sure it is a problem, but as long as you use your brain and do not click on "exciting stuff" you should be fine.
I would prefer using "sandboxie" instead of an AntiVirus.

If you still want to throw money in the sea..I suggest you buy an Mac.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 12:31:18 AM »
I am not sure exactly about the iMac but I know in general in terms of audio production laptops is considered "toys".
They are not simply made for low latency audio, workstation computer are way better in this.
That is why I always like to make fun of "laptop" artists  which seem to be the latest trend right now..

Of course..this will vary from model to model..but always make sure you DPC check your computer before you buy it..
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

And I can agree with some people here, that the only reason why you want to buy a Mac is because you want to be different...
If you carefully pick the right components for your PC it will be just as good as an mac without any problems..But do not buy an cheap crap motherboard...do not buy cheap crap memories..

And I have never liked the aesthetics
of Apple in general, they look Chinese made and very plastic...I can't understand why so people are crazy about their design...

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Most browser plugins will affect performance, especially a plugin like an ad blocker that is running all the time.  To get a better comparison, test with all plugins disabled in Firefox.

Anyway, you should find Firefox slower than both Chrome and Safari 4.

Well for some days now..I have been trying Chrome...and I really like it..it is actually way faster...
I will run that benchmark test again when I have that ad blocker plugin for chrome installed..I hope..it will not affect the speed too much..

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Zeitgeist: Addendum
« on: March 20, 2009, 03:30:35 PM »
I couldn't get through more than a few minutes.  I know enough economics to know smoke when I see it, even with a good narrator and high production values.

One of my brothers is very "into" conspiracy theories, although, of course, to him they aren't "conspiracy theories."  I suspect he might be interested.

5 minutes, then you only saw the intro...
That is the problem with people in general, they only want entertainment, they have a fear for the seriousness...
Watch the full film...and come back then..

Well I was extremely skeptical towards this film also at first...since I have seen many conspiracy films already...
I did expect the usual manipulation shit...and no absolute truths... however..as I said..this film is very convincing..
This is really one of the best...this film is one of the most convincing films I have seen of this kind...

I am now even more convinced that monetary system is a corrupt system...and is the main source of all the misery in this world...
Unless we all want to be enslaved to money.. we are indeed all slaves...even though we might not seen it..cause we have never seen true freedom...
We live in extremely tragic times...and I am not proud of the human condition...
The Venus project..however..shred some light..over this dark world... even though it for now only is an Utopian dream.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Zeitgeist: Addendum
« on: March 20, 2009, 11:14:55 AM »
Why not advocate the freedom of speech on this forum ?
What is your fear ???

For me this is not an extreme conspiracy theory, it is in fact reality.

You all should watch it, especially you Americans...

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Everything and Nothing / Zeitgeist: Addendum
« on: March 19, 2009, 07:24:41 PM »
You all should really see this documentary, especially now in the times of global financial crisis...
Watch this documentary and open your eyes...and realize...what a corrupt world we live in...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

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http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper

I have been using Firefox for many years, but according to this test
I get about 65% better performance in Chrome, and the difference is visible as well, especially on flash based sites.
The question is if the Ad blocker plus plugin for Firefox, would in anyway, affect the result in the test.

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Song titles has now been added :)

   
Disk One 72.46
   
   1. Birth of Still Places 40:28
   2. Long Tide 19:41
   3. A Darker Light 7:34
   4. Opening Sky 5:06

 
Disk two 73:04
   1. Nature of Things 8:50
   2. Further Inside 16:58
   3. Slowly Revealed 23:55
   4. Canyon Stillness 23:17

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That guy is called karezoid. Might be my favorite photographer.

http://karezoid.deviantart.com/

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http://www.projekt.com/projekt/product.asp?dept_id=&sku=PRO00228

New cd cover posted, and description of the cd.

I get the vibes already that it might be the best roach cd yet.
The cd cover looks deeply inspiring as well.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: March 11, 2009, 12:59:03 AM »
Here is an interesting thread started on this very topic on Gear Slutz FYI

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/371075-mastering-ambient-music.html#post3972456

Paul

I have saved the link..I will try to read it some time.
I usually do this that is why I always have like 70 tabs in Firefox :)

However, I tried T-racks 3 today, probably the best mastering software I have heard.
the "transparency" compressor I really like for ambient music...

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Camel Audio - Alchemy
« on: March 11, 2009, 12:57:21 AM »
Thank you...

Well ok..if it is not multi samples... I could atleast use it for drone stuff...

The sample cd you linked too, not sure, I guess I would like to hear it first before I buy it.
But I am skeptical that it is something that I would have of use... I do not like "loops" etc..

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: February 17, 2009, 11:23:00 PM »
yeah I am currently saving up for this beast...I hope to be able to get it this year...
I might take a loan for it also...
If you buy it on ebay used...it gets kind of affordable...

I will use it for both ambient and extreme metal music, and as guitar effect processor.. With the POD X3/Tonelab LE

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