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Ein Sophistry + Richard - once more, thanks for your nice feedback!


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: December 23, 2013, 10:48:36 AM »
Wonderful Track even without knowing the movie (never saw it but have the CD)

Thanks a lot for your feedback Chris!


Everything and Nothing / Re: Digital Compact Camera - any advice?
« on: December 19, 2013, 03:38:41 PM »
Have to add that i own the Sony Rx 100 (Mark I) but i´m not really happy about the well known green cast of Sony cameras.

Also, Video isn´t important for me either!


Everything and Nothing / Digital Compact Camera - any advice?
« on: December 19, 2013, 03:31:00 PM »
Hi there,

wanting to purchase a new compact digital camera which can suite into my jacket pocket!

Please don´t start with any SLR recommendations here as i´m not interested into that.

In my radar are:

:: Canon S100/110/120

:: Sony Rx100 (Mark II)

:: Panasonic LX7

:: Olympus XZ-2

High ISO isn´t an important issue for me….i´m looking more for color fidelity, fast and precise AF plus good Macro options….also manual mode should be available!

Is anyone using one of these? Any experiences? Any samples to share? Any other suggestions?


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: ???
« on: December 19, 2013, 03:07:42 PM »
The Immersion Station was first shown at Soundquest Fest, they are on their 3rd version now. I've never used it because I've never had an iphone up till a week ago, but lots of people have bought it from what I understand.

The main questions are…who really needs this? And what´s the purpose?

Maybe sounding once like Timeroom Studios? Or by using it to be sure that it will sound great because those are SR loops?

Still don´t get the meaning out of this. Maybe it´s much more simple and it´s just a toy for people having fun combined with a financially purpose by using this name as a trademark.

But it´s hardly to dismiss, that a lot of it written there is really on the border drifting into amusement - especially when looking at it from a perspective of a musician:

"Use Immersion Station to sculpt your own personal soundworld environment for deep listening, meditation, as well as for working at the computer, reading, travel and sleeping."



Other Ambient (and related) Music / ???
« on: December 19, 2013, 01:08:03 PM »

OUT NOW ::  Tomas Weiss - Zeitlos (Musical Philosophy)

Comes as 4-panel Luxus-Digipak with full panoramic graphics on the cover.

Minimal but highly emotional drones to rich walls of sound, each title consists of subtle movements embedded in a colourful bed of several tone layers. The aim was to create an exceptionally warm-sounding album you can repeatedly listen to in situations requiring a "mental calmness" without cold / noisy tones or a harsh overall sound. The album was recorded, mixed and mastered with analog equipment to retain the unique sound delivered by non-digital hardware. Feeling "Zeitlos" ("Timeless" in English) is doubtlessly a desirable state of mind for most if not all of us when searching for personal rest... and that's what the album is made for!

More info:


:: Limited Offer ::

Mathias Grassow - Dagaz (Regular Edition)

I'm very fond of many Roland digital synths - especially the JD-990, though I certainly use its internal effects. Access to both good analog and digital intruments is the very best IMO - and, of course, ones that you feel a special relationship with.


Really like the D50

Quote from: Immersion
I am just against this hyping and this total "facination" of medicore sound, I use alchemy mostly for ambient, does it sound good ? no it sound total shit, but with my processing I have no problem to make it shine and sound good.

OK, lets make a practical test instead of talking too much  :)

During the next days I will upload for you a 1 minute track on my server. I will try my best to make it sound like total shit….please download the file, process it with all your gear and make it shiny and good sounding as you mentioned. After that, please upload it on a file sharing site so anyone can download and hear the result.

I´m sure you won´t have any problems to do that!

I will provide you the file (link) soon - please be a bit patient as I have to prepare it first!

Quote from: Immersion
This is the reality.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: KVR Black friday/cyber monday sales list
« on: December 06, 2013, 06:12:38 AM »
It's for making the sound warmer and less digital sounding - but you can also crank it up for a really hot signal. Yeah, that's it.

 ;D ;D ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: December 01, 2013, 11:44:29 AM »
Is there really a good reason to continue this argument? Not that I'm against a good debate, but I feel like it's going in circles at this point.

+1 Thought the same (even i did response earlier too...)

I´m just waiting now for the day hearing some stuff by Immersion! Then we all can compare what makes the difference in audio quality with all the gear he owns then.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 26, 2013, 04:21:37 PM »

One thing I have not understood from your posts is that you are focussed on 'clear' and 'true' sound - but you did mention that you like to "color and saturate sound, driving transformers hard, create harmonics etc" - how do you relate these 2 things as they appear contradictory at first read.

I said earlier,  that if your system provide a "clear" sound you have more control if you want to color it. That was my argument.  If there always is a certain color, you will be stuck with it.  Also all these so called coloring do of course benefit if your system is clean sounding otherwise colors will be mixed in maybe an unwanted way.
Both my Pre amps and converters I intend to buy are veristile and you can yourself choose the amount of color from very clean to saturated.

OK, i have a question:

What is a clear sound?….. and more important how it sounds like?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 25, 2013, 06:54:18 AM »
Quote from: Seren

I think you would find that no one here looks down on good equipment....(please correct me everyone else if I am wrong....)

Just had a quick look around and I think i disagree!  ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 23, 2013, 10:06:31 PM »
I can understand why Immersion would be passionate about having the best sound quality. However, like Tomas and others have said, music is ultimately subjective and most people can't tell the difference between the best quality and something that's just average or below that. For example, there are people out there that probably can't tell the difference between FLAC and MP3.

I think I'm going to stick with my setup for the most part and just try to improve upon using the things that I have, like Paul and I think some others suggested. I'm sure there's a lot than I can improve upon in terms of recording and production. I feel like I have good ideas and a distinct sound, so I think I can definitely build off of that and get better.

If it sounds right for you, it´s right! You know better than anyone else what you are looking for….and IF there is something you want to improve, you always have the chance to adjust your sound to a specific "reference" by tweaking the material or (if necessary) to update your gear. And - for the latter - there is no hurry in today as gear improves constantly and also gets cheaper in price….if you buy the same sound card now (i.e. which was 3 years ago the top notch) no one can say it´s crap just because newer stuff is available now  ;)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 23, 2013, 09:54:33 PM »
Quote from: Immersion

…. your list….

I think i give up…

I wasn´t asking for your favorite albums, but to show just 3 simple examples where I and other interested people (following this thread) can hear the great sound and quality you are talking about! Then me and others can listen to it and make up their mind….very simple!

But, by bringing this huge list makes anything completely relative (again, i was NOT asking about your favorite albums NOR if you sometimes like lo-fi sounds)….so it really seems like you don´t want to answer my question!

I will ask again (and maybe albums are in this list): Are there 3 albums and/or tracks which represents the great sound by this special sound (clean, analogue etc) you are talking about all the time?

Quote from: Immersion
Well I was hoping about have a discussion about how creating the best sound quality possible, of course, what is best for me does not fit all,  the main argument here is that is not worth to invest money in "too expensive" equipment, cause you can mask it with eq and different mixing techniques.

You are clearly the master of presumptions! Please quote the person who said such a statement in this thread!….i´m sorry to say, but you won´t find anyone!

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 23, 2013, 07:33:47 PM »
Quote from: Immersion

Regarding albums it is simply too much to mention  and what style of music are we talking about ?

I don´t mind at all - i´m open to many styles!

If there are so many to mention, then it´s very easy for you to tell me just 3!

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 23, 2013, 07:26:23 PM »
Quote from: Immersion
I am very sorry that I stood up to defend good sound quality.
 I understand most people have tight budgets I have too but I prioritize..
But it is really sad that one have to defend himself about good sound quality, it is sad that it is only about getting away as
cheap as possible, it is ok but what is not ok is when they say that it sounds as good as more higher end equipment.
To compare soundtoys with the H8000FW is like night and day..
I stand what what I say that soundtoys is more of sound mangle tools. But with that said it can still be useful..just don't say compare with the H8000..
that can be seen like an insult to some I can imagine...the same goes with all other equipment that is "nonsense" to buy it is also and insult of people
who invested in it... 

And it is too much talk about converters, pre amps, microphones, summing, and effects all make more difference then converters,
there are marginal difference, unless you buy a BURL which I intend to do it has a transformer which you can drive with optional level..
This kind of converter makes difference but it is really the transformer that makes the difference, but some converter might ad some kind of colours while
most are made to be discreet.

Alright I am tired now, of defending myself and sound quality as I said I find it sad that people do not have more respect for the sound and treat it as the cosmic phenomenon  it is... and try picture it on a sub atomic level in your is beautiful.

Immersion, i think you have a fundamental misunderstood about what people complaining!

Nobody is saying, that good quality isn´t appreciated - but it might be helpful to re-read your posts again and to understand how you express yourself! The problem is, that you speak about FACTS (!!!!) to whatever issue it comes. Examples from your latest post?

"To compare soundtoys with the H8000FW is like night and day.."

"I understand most people are more interested how to cheat the best possible sound with cheaper stuff and mask it in different ways with mixing technique"

As long as you speak only for your opinion then express it this way and don´t include ALL the others with your FACTS…you know as it is…opinions are like assholes…anybody has one  ;)

If you believe in what your are searching for…go for it but it´s a mistake to tell others what is the BEST, as the BEST does´t exist AT ALL….you can have the "best" gear but may fail to make music or to end up to be just a gear collector. At the end of the day, no one of the audience cares if you have Lexicon, Avaton, UAD or whatever…..for them ONLY the whole content, message and mood of the music is important - they give a shit about converters, bit rate and if the source is analogue or 100% digital. The only person who has a problem with this is actually YOU as you claim to be the "sound police".

Here are plenty people with enough experiences and they know very well what and how to archive results….if you talk ultimate about X or Y then at last prove it in some ways…either by audio examples, links or whatever…but just speaking ultimately about something without any example isn´t valuable - neither for professionals nor for starters in this forum.

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