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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 23, 2013, 05:20:11 PM »
Quote from: Immersion
But I can't simply find any driving force to create the music I have in my visions unless I get that dream sound I want my driving force is to take things one step further and the general production is for me for my own inner satisfaction a lot in the sound itself, ..and I am very close now in my studio where the equipment gives me really all the tools I need to realize my visions.  This was the only way for me..

Do you have some examples of music/albums on the market you would call it has this "dream sound", "clean" and "great production" you are looking for? Just 2 or 3 example i would like to hear from you so I can understand it better.



Quote from: Immersion
One of the main reason I bought my H8000 was cause I play guitar and it is just easy and inspiring tool.. one of the reason I want more outboard gear is cause I want to be less dependent on plugins I just want to be able to record more easy in real time and have things ready to record all the time, not dealing with plugs more then I have too, when I record I am always more of guy who prefer to record longer takes in real time. I am not a cut and paste guy.  Cause I want to sit down and express myself and let my mind drift away with the music.

So, you are saying you can´t record in realtime without hardware? As you have to setup software for that first, the same goes for hardware.

Quote from: Immersion
I prefer the analogue sound I use almost only virtual analogue plugins, and it is quite obvious that the real thing will sound even better then these plugins.

You should really bring concrete examples (so we can listen to the differences) instead of claiming facts all the time…."it is quite obvious" is such a meaningless phrase for instance.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 21, 2013, 03:31:16 PM »
My 2 cents about that…

Agree with most APK said before! Also use Wizooverb W2 and it´s great

But it´s really a matter of what you want to archive…for me any reverb work for ambient (even a lot of freeware…still use Sanford a lot). For me it´s quite funny making a fuss about reverb and then to look for plugins sounding like tape-emulations or trying to archive an old sound (i.e with bit reduction) :-D

Is anyone really believe the audience will hear the difference which reverb is used and judging then the music by this then in another way? In my opinion this is just a marketing gag of the audio industry…otherwise, how it possible to have great albums in the 80´s just made with a D-50 (incl the internal effects)?

Lets say it this way…the audio industry in today simply needs this "higher and better" just for selling their products. And beside that, most people starting with music today are just confused by all the "the best" options.

Cheers,
Tomas

It seem you are not a big fan of tape sound, and it sounds also like you have got wrong idea of what good tape sound is. Great tape sound will not in any shape or form destroy the audio it will just make it sound all better when it it is done right, it might just give the reverb the the final saturation which many reverbs lack,  Lexicon has beautiful satuartion and colour.   The highest quality converters such as  Crane song HEDD like Mike was talking about or BURL have both try to make the best from high quality tape sound.   It seem you worship the sound of cold sterile and "clean" digital sound.
problem is it is dead boring to listen to.. no interesting complex details and harmonics which you get from analogue sound by nature.
Especially synths in ambient need all saturating that you can get to make them sound good in my opinion,  tape saturating make everything sounds right in many cases and make beautiful harmonics so lets not talk down about tape sound, many of the absolute top producers use tape sound to summarize mixes, tape sounds does not need to be bad sounding "old scool" sound, it can also be super clean with just beautiful saturation and harmonics, this is the reason people adore the BURL transformers which is considered to be the best converters right now those transformers add "tape like" qualities.

will the audience here the difference which reverb is used ? if you asked me a couple of years ago, I would say no.  But since that time I have tried many different reverbs, and all reverbs have a different character same goes with synths,  I have some days ago received my Eventide H8000fw, looking forward to hear the reverb, but it is the pitch shifting reverbs with eventide that is very hard to not hear... if you have heard it.
I

I find quite often I hear what reverbs that is used,
But of course often it is really hard to tell.. some times more obvious...steve roach sound is unmistakably lexicon, I know he use eventide H3000 on some (darkest before dawn). But almost all of the time I am just surprised how bad reverbs people use, a lot of people use probably the internal effects of the soft synths which is always useless.  I have not heard one synth with good internal effects, omnisphere included.  Of course everyone decide what bar of sound quality they want.  but there is so many factors invovled if you have speakers that colour the sound that most people probably have a bad sounding reverb might sound beautiful,  all I can say is with my new Trident HG3 speakers I find it way easier to hear clear difference between good and bad reverbs.  The biggest problem with most reverbs is that they do not represent the full frequceny spectrum, they are capped ofteh the thigh end gets lost in the mud,  I am allergic to muddy reverb , and unfortunately this artifact is very common in the ambient scene today.

Before talking too much about "better" "best" etc…what about making an example on your site so anyone can hear the differences you are talking about? By seeing and haring all the gear you have I´m now really curious, so please give us the chance to understand the difference! So, can you please provide some examples/clips? Only that would be really helpful to understand what you are talking about!

Cheers,
Tomas

My studio is incomplete my signal chain is not complete,  also I am going to sell my Lynx converter and buy a BURL converter instead, I am still need a pre amp, to plugin my guitars, synths and microphones,  I use mostly software right now.. the things I use in my studio so far is only my HG3 speakers and dangerous audio source monitor controller. Most people would probably just buy something cheap But I prefer to buy the good stuff direcely life is too short to waste time with gear you do not like I am tired of it.  I hope in a few months I will be able to show you some examples of my gear if you want.

That would be helpful!…Just wondering how someone can talk about all the differences and how good/great/better it sounds like if he still haven´t got a ready made setup to provide any example?

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 21, 2013, 03:22:59 PM »
Yes, I meant "Suite" version when I said "Studio" version.

If you already own the Suite version, how much does Ableton charge for the version upgrade to the latest Studio version? As I said, I'm inclined to upgrade from Standard to Suite, but I wonder if that will mean my future version upgrades are much more expensive than they are for the Standard version.

I payed 170 Euro for the Upgrade as different versions like Standard/Suite didn´t exist in the version i upgraded from…there was only 1 version available at this time but i had the option to go either for the equal version (= 100 Euro - standard)  or the suite (= 170 Euro - suite) but Suite have much more features/content of course so it was clearly more expansive. As done in the past they just go for a relative upgrade price like other companies do. Of course, if you want at one point to crossgrade from standard to suite (like i did) this will be more expansive, but thats with any other DAW the same.

Cheers,
Tomas

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 21, 2013, 03:01:57 PM »
My 2 cents about that…

Agree with most APK said before! Also use Wizooverb W2 and it´s great

But it´s really a matter of what you want to archive…for me any reverb work for ambient (even a lot of freeware…still use Sanford a lot). For me it´s quite funny making a fuss about reverb and then to look for plugins sounding like tape-emulations or trying to archive an old sound (i.e with bit reduction) :-D

Is anyone really believe the audience will hear the difference which reverb is used and judging then the music by this then in another way? In my opinion this is just a marketing gag of the audio industry…otherwise, how it possible to have great albums in the 80´s just made with a D-50 (incl the internal effects)?

Lets say it this way…the audio industry in today simply needs this "higher and better" just for selling their products. And beside that, most people starting with music today are just confused by all the "the best" options.

Cheers,
Tomas

It seem you are not a big fan of tape sound, and it sounds also like you have got wrong idea of what good tape sound is. Great tape sound will not in any shape or form destroy the audio it will just make it sound all better when it it is done right, it might just give the reverb the the final saturation which many reverbs lack,  Lexicon has beautiful satuartion and colour.   The highest quality converters such as  Crane song HEDD like Mike was talking about or BURL have both try to make the best from high quality tape sound.   It seem you worship the sound of cold sterile and "clean" digital sound.
problem is it is dead boring to listen to.. no interesting complex details and harmonics which you get from analogue sound by nature.
Especially synths in ambient need all saturating that you can get to make them sound good in my opinion,  tape saturating make everything sounds right in many cases and make beautiful harmonics so lets not talk down about tape sound, many of the absolute top producers use tape sound to summarize mixes, tape sounds does not need to be bad sounding "old scool" sound, it can also be super clean with just beautiful saturation and harmonics, this is the reason people adore the BURL transformers which is considered to be the best converters right now those transformers add "tape like" qualities.

will the audience here the difference which reverb is used ? if you asked me a couple of years ago, I would say no.  But since that time I have tried many different reverbs, and all reverbs have a different character same goes with synths,  I have some days ago received my Eventide H8000fw, looking forward to hear the reverb, but it is the pitch shifting reverbs with eventide that is very hard to not hear... if you have heard it.
I

I find quite often I hear what reverbs that is used,
But of course often it is really hard to tell.. some times more obvious...steve roach sound is unmistakably lexicon, I know he use eventide H3000 on some (darkest before dawn). But almost all of the time I am just surprised how bad reverbs people use, a lot of people use probably the internal effects of the soft synths which is always useless.  I have not heard one synth with good internal effects, omnisphere included.  Of course everyone decide what bar of sound quality they want.  but there is so many factors invovled if you have speakers that colour the sound that most people probably have a bad sounding reverb might sound beautiful,  all I can say is with my new Trident HG3 speakers I find it way easier to hear clear difference between good and bad reverbs.  The biggest problem with most reverbs is that they do not represent the full frequceny spectrum, they are capped ofteh the thigh end gets lost in the mud,  I am allergic to muddy reverb , and unfortunately this artifact is very common in the ambient scene today.

Before talking too much about "better" "best" etc…what about making an example on your side so anyone can hear the differences you are talking about? By seeing and haring all the gear you have I´m now really curious, so please give us the chance to understand the difference! So, can you please provide some examples/clips? Only that would be really helpful to understand what you are talking about!

Cheers,
Tomas

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Digital to analog converters
« on: November 21, 2013, 01:54:27 PM »
My 2 cents about that…

Agree with most APK said before! Also use Wizooverb W2 and it´s great

But it´s really a matter of what you want to archive…for me any reverb work for ambient (even a lot of freeware…still use Sanford a lot). For me it´s quite funny making a fuss about reverb and then to look for plugins sounding like tape-emulations or trying to archive an old sound (i.e with bit reduction) :-D

Is anyone really believe the audience will hear the difference which reverb is used and judging then the music by this then in another way? In my opinion this is just a marketing gag of the audio industry…otherwise, how it possible to have great albums in the 80´s just made with a D-50 (incl the internal effects)?

Lets say it this way…the audio industry in today simply needs this "higher and better" just for selling their products. And beside that, most people starting with music today are just confused by all the "the best" options.

Cheers,
Tomas

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 21, 2013, 01:10:54 PM »
Mike, i have updated to 9 from Version 6 and i´m happy i did!

I haven´t spend time with Max but it looks promising….but for all the other changes they made it´s a HUGE improvement! I love the new browser, as it is much more clearer and easy to navigate through. Also the cpu usage hasn´t changed on all on my computer - and that´s a big plus when having 3 versions between!

I played a bit with the audio to midi option and it works really well! Tried as a test some schumann piano pieces to see how good the algorithm works - the results were more than acceptable! Just some duration mistakes but otherwise almost 1:1 and that is really amazing! Couldn´t done better by Melodyne!!!

Ordered also the Push controller…and that is really a killer!!! The integration is almost perfect and VERY easy to navigate through racks and patches…the only criticism i have is that right now the integration works only for Ableton plugs smoothly…for 3rd party vst/vsti you have to build a rack first….but i´m pretty sure this will be fixed with a next update! Forget about any other 3rd party controller - Push blow all away (and the best, it´s manufactured by AKAI).

Will update here, after going more into all the adds!

Greetings,
Tomas


Tomas

Thanks for your thoughts about the Live 9 upgrade. I already have the Akai APC20, so I'll just continue to work with that, rather than get rid of it and purchase a Push.

I'm leaning toward getting the Studio version of 9 rather than the Standard version. Max for Live is interesting to me as something to explore creating my own devices, and I also think some of the pre-built Max for Live devices might be useful.

Yeah, APC20 isn´t bad at all too…but with any of those controllers it´s always the same issue - you have to adjust a lot of parameters…that´s why i mentioned the great integration of Push. If you have a bit spare money i think it´s worth to think about the suite version…really, it comes with a lot of great additional instruments and a huge library. Still haven´t used Max so far…but is it included in the studio/standard version? I don´t think so but maybe you meant the Suite anyway...

Cheers,
Tomas

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 05:48:15 PM »
well, I understand people take it personal when expressing a disklike for a DAW, but it is like that, every one use different DAW and all think they are the best..

You will be surprised, but Live is not my main DAW  ;D Sorry to disappoint, but actually it´s Cubase!

Quote from: Immersion
My references regarding audio quality in ableton, I am sorry but I will not dig up many year old threads on forums.

A shame, as this would make your clearly expressed conclusion more valuable!

Quote from: Immersion
in the version nine they say on their website that the rendering audio quality has been " dramatically improved" so I guess it was not good before.

I guess the earth is a pane  ;D

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 12:51:57 PM »
Quote from: Immersion
people in different forums did complan about the sound quality...

Do you have any references/links?

My complain is, that you speak much too general and just judging by what people in forums (!) saying. Don´t want to sound negative, but imo this isn´t really a good source!

Quote from: Immersion
Ok but  a lot of people use it only for session view I can promise you that..

I can promise, that a lot of people use A or B for C and D….this kind of statement works for anything when you are not concrete about something...you get the point?

Quote from: Immersion
Why are you using ableton ?

:: extremely stable (especially for live conditions)
:: really cpu friendly
:: easy to use for quick ideas
:: perfect looping options
:: warp markers
:: configurable for several screens
:: audio to midi (new)
:: rack options
:: tweaking in session while recorded in view with edit options afterwards
:: library (suite)
:: etc

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 12:35:40 PM »
Mike, i have updated to 9 from Version 6 and i´m happy i did!

I haven´t spend time with Max but it looks promising….but for all the other changes they made it´s a HUGE improvement! I love the new browser, as it is much more clearer and easy to navigate through. Also the cpu usage hasn´t changed on all on my computer - and that´s a big plus when having 3 versions between!

I played a bit with the audio to midi option and it works really well! Tried as a test some schumann piano pieces to see how good the algorithm works - the results were more than acceptable! Just some duration mistakes but otherwise almost 1:1 and that is really amazing! Couldn´t done better by Melodyne!!!

Ordered also the Push controller…and that is really a killer!!! The integration is almost perfect and VERY easy to navigate through racks and patches…the only criticism i have is that right now the integration works only for Ableton plugs smoothly…for 3rd party vst/vsti you have to build a rack first….but i´m pretty sure this will be fixed with a next update! Forget about any other 3rd party controller - Push blow all away (and the best, it´s manufactured by AKAI).

Will update here, after going more into all the adds!

Greetings,
Tomas

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live 9 and Max for Live
« on: November 19, 2013, 12:05:32 PM »
Quote from: Immersion link
.. which is use the cpu better and gives better sound quality.

I would really like to know what are the reasons you claim that Reaper has better sound quality? Any proofs for that?

Quote from: Immersion
"the latest Sonar X3 seem to be very inspired form Ableton it have the session view...which is the only thing why people use ableton.

It seems you have a strong and especially personal (!) idea about why people are using Live! I´m sorry to say, but your judgement does´t work for me at last  ;D

Cheers,
Tomas

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Thanks Guys for all the comments!

I´ve finally decided to wait too…anyway i´m fine with Mountain Lion so far.

Cheers,
Tomas

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Today we got a lot more older Klaus Wiese CDs:

:: Infinity

:: Seed

:: Ceremony

:: Vision

:: Uranus

:: Dunya

:: Mudra


http://www.el-culto.com/artists/klauswiese/index.html

Greetings,
Tomas

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For a long time sold out and finally back in stock - 3 different CD Albums by Klaus Wiese:

:: Monsoon

:: Turandot

:: Tariqa

http://www.el-culto.com/artists/klauswiese/index.html

Greetings,
Tomas

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Drone Masters
« on: November 11, 2013, 03:33:21 PM »
Any chances of an el culto Bandcamp happening?

Sorry to say, but no plans for that as we are specialized and focused on physical products only.

Greetings,
Tomas

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Drone Masters
« on: November 11, 2013, 11:05:34 AM »
I just recently purchased a used Klaus Wiese's Soma cd for $43.97....the most money Ive ever spent on a single cd.  A perfect copy it is but thats crazy or I am. 

Tomas are you listening.  Digital editions of Klaus Wiese out of print music as Castleview suggested.  :)

Someone is calling me  ;D

Soma isn´t official available at the moment - just spoke about that with the label today

Nevertheless, today we´ve managed to got some other old and long time sold out KW CDs (Turandot/Monsoon/Tariqa)  :)

http://www.el-culto.com/artists/klauswiese/index.html

Greetings,
Tomas

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Computers, Internet and Technology / Experiences with Mac OS X Mavericks?
« on: November 05, 2013, 11:18:44 AM »
Hi there,

someone around here already running it?

It seems they changed quite a lot there!

It´s tempting because it´s free...BUT….never change a running system  ;D

Greetings,
Tomas

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Closing the Eternity
« on: September 21, 2013, 12:33:28 PM »
Quote
...the 2cd was limited to under 100 copies...

...and you don´t complain? That´s quite surprising  ???

Sorry, but i couldn´t resist  ;D

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Julio,

maybe worth to try it first with Reaper (free, but full Version) before buying the wrapper  :)

Cheers,
Tomas

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Hartmann Neuron Vst (FREE but Intel Mac Only)
« on: September 18, 2013, 02:10:56 AM »
That are great news  :) Works even without the NUKE controller!

http://www.neuronsynth.com/html/Home.html

But it seems the plugin is a bit fussy with some hosts:

http://www.neuronsynth.com/html/FAQ.html

Greetings,
Tomas

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What I thought was cool about Acoustic Mirror was the use of impulses from the acoustics of actual spaces like Chicago's Navy Pier.  I saw a series of concerts in that pier, and it was fun comparing my memory of that space with the plugin.

Forrest

Hi Forrest,

i agree, Acoustic Mirror is a great plugin but the GUI is terrible  >:( But it seems Sony don´t have any interest to update their Plugins.

Greetings,
Tomas

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