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I'm afraid this reads more like over-the-top self promotion than a review !

I first thought i read an official press text for announcing a new release.

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"Appearances", (CDr on Musical Philosophy label, download version via DataObscura) is the brand new follow-up to Tomas' & Anthony's premiere co-work "Distant Shadows" on the Construct label (released April 2011). This digipak release firstly attracts with its very nice cover image created by Jesse Harrison. The album, which consists of 10 pieces titled "Vision 1-10", begins with a shorter ethereal introduction that crosses almost unrecognized into "Vision 2" with the same mood, but later evolves into deeper drifting and tense configurations. "Vision 3" floats on similarly tight airwaves, but is gently enriched by assorted futuristic sound effects with a cascading texture. It slowly evolves into a massive soundwall effectively supported at the end by angelic choirs. An absolutely fascinating stratospheric odyssey!!! As magnificent is the next composition, "Vision 4", with deeply droning, free floating expansive and absorbing delicate soundscapes! Gradual tension unfolds "Vision 5", which slowly fades into rather motionless, but evolving dronescapes. Another highly mesmerizing composition heading into colossal territories and a pure masterpiece precisely interacting with album's cover artwork!!! Shorter "Vision 6" quickly returns into more organic worlds, enriched with hints of modern classical influences. "Vision 7" dives into abyssal depths of the ocean with deep, but evolving drones. The tension of this 12-minute opus gets tighter and tighter, enriched by circulating and pulsing hissy sound effects and sharply sounding industrial outbursts and disorders. At its highest peak it reaches massive soundwalls, painted with metallic and otherworldly transcendental sounds, presenting Tomas & Anthony at the throne of drone artistry. Pure bliss!!! "Vision 8" keeps the vast and intense magnificence of its predecessor, but is slightly more active with a less monumental texture, and at the end colored with razor sharp sonics. The next piece, "Vision 9", stays in rather quieter and static soundclouds, yet deeply drifting and layering into a massive palette of sounds. Grandiose, intense and powerful!!! Closing "Vision 10" is painted with more tranquil colors. A very relaxing and relieving outro of this highly fascinating and imaginative adventure. Definitely another huge one from Tomas Weiss & Anthony Paul Kerby!!! And be prepared for more, because these two guys have scheduled another co-work, this time between Anthony's Nunc Stans and Tomas' Nautic Depths (with Mathias Grassow). I think we couldn't ask for more.

Richard Gürtler (Oct 02, 2011, Bratislava, Slovakia)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Omnisphere.....who's using it?
« on: October 06, 2011, 02:17:31 AM »
Things what has put me off:

- no standalone Version (the biggest joke!!!!)
- no import option of samples (wav, aiff)

Omnisphere has the same risk like Atmosphere...its very recognizable when you donīt radically change the presets. Just this fact put me off to buy quite a number of albums from several artists since they used Presets almost 1:1.....horror for me (LOL)

Alchemy is a good choice indeed and much more flexible because of wav import.

Cheers,
Tomas

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 Does this mean we should have no organization or categorization at all, and just have one big central area where everything gets posted?

Nah Mike, now you are black or white  ;)

I didnīt mean this at all. I just say, that i think people like to see and discuss things in a specific thread for a release (and again this doesnīt interact with the other post when people speak about other release which are NOT posted here). It seems logic for me that several threads talking about the same are just confusing and making things more messy. Is it not better people speaking/discussing in mainly 1 thread of a new Hypnos release instead of several posted in different sections?

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Also the 2 gear forums as Forrest suggested could become one.....for me sound sources, pre amp or mixer, fx, monitors and cables are all part of the same long chain. I suppose a discussion of where to put microphones on a marimba could warrant being placed in a dedicated recording forum, not sure how much recording technique type discussions we have here.

I totally agree on this!

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I see a huge difference between these, and I hate the idea of sincere inquiries and discussion about music from a listener's perspective being snowed-under by the much more common and frequent self-promotional posts. I'm trying in a sense to reward honest discussions from the fan or enthusiast's point of view by giving them their own space, apart from self-promotional announcements by artists and labels.

Why there cannot be a honest discussion in a thread someone posted as self promotion? This is more or less what you say and i disagree. IMO people donīt make a difference in this. Also, the scenario youīve mentioned will happen anyway since not all discussed music are made by members. In your example also Hypnos releases have to be discussed in the "other section".

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I like the new direction of the forum, too, though I think may be a few too many topics at the moment.  I'm not sure I would break out Forum member music from non-Forum member music.  When artists hear that their music is being discussed and join the forum, the topic would be in the wrong place.   


Yes, i thought about this point as well and indeed from the perspective of a visitor not really comfortable to look what is the right place - also it messes up if a lets say, a forum member post something  (seen as self promotion) and maybe some days later another member start as well a topic about the same issue (seen as discussion)....very confusing....as example Anthonyīpost:

http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=3992.0

Should be in "Self promotion section" . but what if "Richard" write a review? Obviously this review should be then placed by Richard in review section....at the end itīs more complicated then before.

Cheers,
Tomas

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It may be possible that we've ended up creating too many sections, but it's easy enough to backtrack and trim one or two.

We needed an area for artists who have released on Hypnos to announce their non-Hypnos projects, so that we can have an area reserved for Hypnos releases only. You say those posts should go into the "other" section, but we will see. I think that section will have a lot of activity.

Yes, the activity there will be more there. I just think that most people at the end will not care about a section "Hypnos artist with releases outside of Hypnos" and those releases  of these artist might get lost at the end because people will likely go into the "other" section since they expect to find them there.

The easiest might be to ask all the Hypnos artist what they think!

Cheers,
Tomas

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IMO itīs now a bit messed up...

Hypnos Relateted activities - donīt understand the deeper purpose of this. When a Hypnos artist releases anywhere else, from my logic, this should be then in "Other ambient" section too. Otherwise you expect from people to know what are all the "Hypnos" artists. Beside from this aspect i believe this section will be finally stay quite empty - there is simply not much what can be added there.

Greetings,
Tomas

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We did have a chat feature years ago, in the PhpBB software version of the forum. It was glitchy and awful so I ended up removing it.

I'll consider trying one of the newer SMF forum chat plugins and see what people think.

I'll also look into media embedding, if it can be done without turning this place into a mess.

It sounds like these two things would satisfy most people's desires without transforming the forum into something unrecognizable, so we'll start there.

As far as my counting is not messes up, I havenīt seen so much people asking for chat  ;D ;D ;D

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Donīt have an illusion...even with such info the prayers (artists and labels) for downloads will still remain no matter if logic or not

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and here something about the "BIG" download thing and their "great" expansions and possibilities....LOL

http://thecynicalmusician.com/2010/01/the-paradise-that-should-have-been

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/

Cheers,
Tomas

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Maybe I could have worded it little more artfully, but I think there is more of a danger of the artist's own selectivity (or, to be more blunt, posting only positive reviews) if the reviews are filtered through the artist first.  Who would want to post a negative review of their own work?

Forrest


Reviews in general are also not a problem for me, but I think it can be tricky when posting reviews of your own work.  As a potential consumer, I'd rather hear from the listeners or reviewers directly.

I was reading this several times and still donīt understand it.

The usual progress is: reviews are made from 3rd persons like website, blogs magazines etc....so, it makes a difference for you if a customer or the reviewer post the same review instead of the artist?  ???

True, agree on this point!

On the other hand, critical reviewers are very care in today...actually i got a very "nice" response back after asking for sending demos. I will be "fair" and not mention the name here, even a lot of people know this person and the radio station behind but the answer was...yes, sent me your stuff, but i charge 10$ for each review...isnīt it a great answer? Just imagine what happened if iīve sent 30$?  ;D ;D

Useless to say itīs not worth to support this nonsense.

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Reviews in general are also not a problem for me, but I think it can be tricky when posting reviews of your own work.  As a potential consumer, I'd rather hear from the listeners or reviewers directly.

I was reading this several times and still donīt understand it.

The usual progress is: reviews are made from 3rd persons like website, blogs magazines etc....so, it makes a difference for you if a customer or the reviewer post the same review instead of the artist?  ???

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I too like the Hypnos Forum as it is, it is clear and organised and not "in your face"
But I also like the suggestions to be able to embed Soundcloud and You Tube and I like Tomas' suggestion on a section for collaborations (a Hypnos Forum collaboration CD might be a good idea?)I know EM Portal did something similar.
The forum can tend to be quiet, I have noticed particularly at weekends, but that is because people have other things to do as well as visit here. I would also think as most of us are musicians and have full time jobs, making music not being the full time job, when you do get your free time you tend to use it by spending time with family, wife kids etc, making music and visiting forums to catch up. Being quiet is not a bad thing as I like to catch up on posts that are months, even years old to see what I have missed. You don't have to comment every day. I tend to comment if I feel I have something useful to say or add, like now, for instance. The self promotion thing kind of tends to happen with every forum I am a member of, and probably goes on in lots of other forums too, not just EM, lets face it, this is such a small field, how else are you going to let like minded people know about your latest masterpiece, take out ads on TV or in the lastest fashionable mag, I think that is beyond most if not all of us here. The self promotion I see here, and yes I do it as well, is not excessive and is generally well handled. I am going on a bit now, so to sum up,

Hypnos is great the way it is, it would be nice to embed music and video, a section for collaborations/ideas would be nice and a collaborative Hypnos Forum Members CD would be nice too (which actually doesn't involve a change in the forum as that could get underway now) :)

Someone still complaining the forum is not active? LOL

Well written Phobos, i agree on anything you said!

To be a bit more precise about this "collab section" iīve mentioned...appart from the idea of Phobos i see it more "open". For instance, i often like to include some real instruments in the music i do and iīm sure even here are some musicians which are playing an instrument very well (cello, guitar or whatever). If there would be a section this musicians could simply say this in a post...for instance: "iīm a xxxx player and if someone is interested i can provide...etc" - or the other way round, if iīm searching for a particular instrument i can see such people which are open for it and i can simply contact them! IMO this would be a huge tool for this forum, especially since people will only provide because they are into or love this music. Makes a huge difference in comparison to find players anywhere else which are mainly in a particular style.

Cheers,
Tomas

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I don't really have a problem with the forum being "quieter." Some people do, though, and if they don't see much activity for a while, they won't come back.

Some people don't show up to post, but to read things others have posted. So if enough people approach the forum that way, we end up with more and more of the posts being self-promotional and those visitors who mostly lurk can start to become disenchanted

I really have a problem to follow your thoughts. I mean, lets face it, itīs not possible to please anyone who visit this site - if some doesnīt come back because there is less activity, itīs not the end of the world. These are very likely the people which needs "info drones" all the time and obviously for them FB is a better place.

Also, its not a secret that Hypnos Forum is connected to your label so itīs also kinda seen as a promo tool for you. The same goes for the Non-Hypnos section - but what you would expect to have for post there if not mainly promo post from others outside of the Hypnos circle? Isnīt it the nature of this section to post things like that there?

I totally agree on the point to improve the forum to make it for the members more attractive (which very likely will increase activity).

Cheers,
Tomas

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The problem is, very few of us post anything here. If we go through a period of weeks where the few of us who sometimes create new topics are busy with other things, then the forum becomes nothing but a small number of folks posting "now playing" updates.

Now, having said that... whenever this comes up, I think a lot of people think to themselves, "Oh shit, I'd better post more or else this place will die off," and then the forum becomes busy, active and vibrant for a while. And that's great -- I hope we have a great October here! -- but I'm hoping for more long term enhancements to the site that will draw more people to participate, more often, more consistently.

Actually i disagree with this. Silence is not such a bad sign and it doesnīt give an impression that a forum is death. I prefer this much more then to have things like the new "activity stream" on FB where you can see any nonsense what people have to say, like or cook at the moment.

Actually 3 things i would like to see here:

1. Option to add videos and music players
2. A special section/room for possible collaborations (means, where people can ask for something or can offer something)
3. More direct integration of other portals/radio stations/info sites which are into the ambient world (at the end the people donīt care about competitions between labels, musicians or whatever - they simply want to explore this kind of music to find out what suites them most).

Greetings,
Tomas

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IMO you should leave it as it is.

No offense to John but look to the result over there. Meanwhile itīs just a place of "listen to this and that", mainly amateurish stuff and/or free downloads + simply TOOOOO much informations. Maybe thatīs what people like in today and iīm just ages behind (lol) but for me it leaves a impression of "quantity support" instead of "quality". I very rarely saw something like this on Hypnos forum, no matter of the section. Also, if John sometimes would not come with new ideas, it would very likely turn into something like Myspace where people just say short phrases.......Also something like RM is VERY difficult to look at and i find myself very often lost on this site, since the new blogs are never jump to the top when somebody posts....its like a jungle at the end. Iīm also prefer a forum like this because i donīt like websites loaded with photos and flash animation - this takes my attention away, slows a website radically and makes a website weaker IMO.

"Less is more"

Cheers,
Tomas

 

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Julio, i thought you was refer to this:

http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=3565.msg27574#msg27574

Cheers,
Tomas

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Totally agree with APK and Mike here...well, not a surprise since i was the complainer mentioned in the starting post  ;D

Some electronic musicians are so in love with their gear, they want to list everything in their studio in their liner notes, including instruments and effects they didn't even use on the album.

LOL - this is actually the best of all

Greetings,
Tomas

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