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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dead Can Dance 2012
« on: October 12, 2012, 11:02:56 AM »
Tomas (your music is great btw), I think their music is such that it doesn't matter to a huge degree how they look when they play it live.  It's a little different IMO from guys about to turn 70 who are still playing the same rock 'n roll hits from 50 years ago and bouncing around on stage. 

They've both made a lot of relevant music since the 80's and 90's in their respective solo albums, collaborations and so on, so it's hard for me to begrudge them a reunion disc and tour, as this is most likely just that.  You're probably right they're doing this for the same reason every other band from previous decades with previous fame reunites. 

I don't think it'll hurt their cult status though, the fact that they're gonna sell a ton of music and concerts without essentially changing themselves or their sound tells me that.  They'd have to become skinhead nazis (Lisa Gerrard- highly suspect  :P) and sing only Britney Spears covers in order to ruin the nostalgia.

 Listening to a few of their new songs on youtube, I'm impressed that the quality is still good- Brendan's range has narrowed a tad but he can still croon, baby, and Lisa Gerrard can basically phone in those angelic notes without much problem.  The songwriting is pretty solid.  I'm not sure how relevant an album it is, in terms of their legacy, but at least they reunited with an actual album of quality music.  It's not bad music, regardless of whether I'd prefer a different direction. 

Tomas I'd agree that if they that just tour and keep singing their old classics indefinitely until there are no more crowds, it would hurt their rep... I just don't see that happening though.  There is one great song so far I've heard which is Children of the Sun.  This could have easily been the last song on the album (it was the first), a fitting and gracious goodbye, I mean that in the best sense.

Yep, i liked the track too and thanks for your words about the music :-)

I have to admit iīm a bit biased here. I saw Lisa perfoming live 2011 in Germany and the show was very disappointing. She changed the dressing 5 times (!!!) during the show and they also used an additional (HUGE) Reverb for her voice in almost each song. Of course this doesnīt really fit as the stage was just a medium theatre place. Also, which was the most annoying issue, one of her musician (keyboard player) was performing with no wires plugged in his synth  :o - so it was mainly a playback show with a fake performance. All of this was not really appreciating for me.

When i saw then one of the videos there is a similar issue...once she pretends to plays the Santuri but no sound....


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Finally... Sound Forge for Mac!
« on: October 12, 2012, 10:50:30 AM »
It is/was entirely a workflow issue where wave lab vs sound forge is concerned. I actually will concede that wavelab is more powerful and I did like its effects chaining section, but at the end of the day I can just work quickly and effortlessly in SoundForge so I kept going back to it. I have used it since version 1.0 and spent the better part of the last 10 years as a sound designer for Sony Creative Software & Sonic Foundry before that so, again its a comfortably and workflow thing.

When I tried a demo of Peak for the Mac I found its interface and workflow just completely counterintuitive, clunky and just pain ugly. Again all personal preference, but there it is.


Yes i understand the issue of being used to a program for a long time...nevertheless i tried another program for Mac because they had very reasonable crosscrade prices. Finally they have as well the FX Chain section like in Wavelab and the app is very stable too :-)

Not as much tools like in Wavelab but extremely reasonable for the price:


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Finally... Sound Forge for Mac!
« on: October 05, 2012, 04:43:01 PM »
I have wabvelab for PC but hate the way it works and unfortunately there is nothing about Peak I ever liked either, its look, the way it functions, I always go back to soundforge even when that meant transferring files to and from the pc for editing.


I have both. May i ask what you hate about the way it works?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Dead Can Dance 2012
« on: September 23, 2012, 01:35:55 PM »
Well, i canīt chorus the previous opinions when seeing some recent concert videos:

2-DEAD CAN DANCE-Θέατρο Γης-Θεσσαλονίκη -- ΠΡΕΖΑ ΟΤΑΝ ΠΙΕΙΣ - Video Dailymotion

-DEAD CAN DANCE- Θέατρο Γης-21. 09.12-Θεσσαλονίκη

Apart from the question why they had to make a rebirth of the project (money issues?) i do think they damage more of their cult than winning out of it. Wonder why they canīt be simply proud of their past things and leave it.

In a way it reminds of all this "senior rock bands" which believe itīs cool to make a revival  ;D Canīt cope seeing 60+ years of matures with guitars predicting to be young stars. Seems they donīt have good managers or those have other interests as well.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: 808 documentary
« on: September 19, 2012, 04:02:09 PM »
Seems the director of this video was on drugs  ;D

@APK: 303 isnīt really better, except you are looking for some farty

Everything and Nothing / Music by nerves
« on: September 10, 2012, 04:33:56 PM »
I do think, this may become a very interesting and important issue for artists which are interested to "reach" audience:

Of course, nothing for those which are still believing in musical visions like "individual creation (no matter how it sounds or not sounds) plus public access"  ;D


Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 24, 2012, 03:33:59 PM »
My 2 cents on cdbaby and and the distribution clearing houses:

Rather than keep feeding the iTunes (etc) of the world. I think its great to have a place for downloads like Bandcamp, It's well organized, very functional, and has good rates (last I looked). No setup costs. And it's a personal site ... for the artist or for a label. You can edit it. It's a home base. You can link to a blog from it, and so on.

People naturally think they must have exposure, so they go for getting their music up on loads of sites ... which does not equate with exposure, just possible availability. And you don't necessarily need it available in lots of places. One will do.  Exposure is more about people liking your music and spreading the word, which they can only do of course if you promote yourself to begin with, and you might as well promote your single Bandcamp site as a central place for people to checkout your music, buy it, get news, and to come back to.

But maybe I'm just crazy.   8)

Totally agree on that!

Have to add, that finally people have to find an artist on I-tunes. This point sound silly first but you need to have at least a fan base which search for you in those places, otherwise it is only based on "i want to be anywhere" reasons.

I believe a personal website with good service is more important than just listed in a pool of millions of titles. On the other hand, we all know that "hyped" places are very much attractive (almost an "addiction"), no matter if they are useful in a specific matter  ;)


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 25, 2012, 02:13:26 PM »
For my taste one of the best songs ever.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 25, 2012, 11:37:22 AM »
Quote from: Altus
These same people generally don't give netlabel/free music a chance simply because they believe it to be somehow inferior to a paid product... and I think we can all agree: just because you paid for it, doesn't mean you're getting quality music.  ;)

I read this statement several times and still think it is a weird comment.

If i buy a CD or Download iīm sure I will get quality music as i have selected my purchase. What is otherwise the point to buy it? Purchasing just because of too much money?


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 23, 2012, 11:35:02 AM »
Reminds me of the problem with a piano .... not enough presets, and people all start sounding the same  ;)

Your example doesnīt work ;) By its nature (apart from some string manipulations) a piano has always the same sound. It is restricted in sound by purpose and the mechanic.

So, what about a Synth or Workstation?  ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 23, 2012, 11:28:17 AM »
Quote from: Julio Di Benedetto

Thanks for joining in Tomas......this has always been a concern about presets and great presets like those in omnisphere..... sameness.   listeners who generally are not musicians probably can not identify a sound as an omnisphere patch, however there is still a risk of music having a homogenous feel to it.  Historically this was true with hardware synths like the Korg Wavestation & the Roland D50 who's sound was everywhere in film scores etc.....did the general public know this?

I will check out the Linplug synth.....I have heard of Rob Papins Albino synth.

Yep, this issue isnīt new :-) For the public issue - I believe in the old times it didnīt matter so much as there was not so much music spreading. But today people have Youtube an access to samples to almost each new release. Also the customer in today is much more advanced and concerned in this matter because of too much music around. By this, people comparing much more than ever before. Another point are the labels - the people behind are in most cases musicians or producers as well and they know the tools. So, for artists just using just one or several patches as they are or mainly one of the fashion synths to make an album it might have difficulties to find a "respected" label in a specific genre.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 22, 2012, 10:16:27 AM »
Hi Julio,

first of all I have to say Iīm not a fan of this fashion synths (Omnisphere, Alchemy) as there is a huge risk of sounding similar to others. Remember, if you like a Patch, 100xxx others may like it as well, especially if it is a workstation like Omnisphere :-) ( I remember this issue with Atmosphere - cannot count the releases using almost the same Sounds or Presets....terrible). For this reason, I always look for synths which arenīt hyped in the market. I can highly recommend "Chronox" by Linplug. You can use your own samples but has also a great library. It includes now the complete content of "Sophistry" which was before released as a separate Plugin, specialized for Ambient/Space. For my ears the sound quality is superb and it is very easy to use and tweak.

A lot of people may not know this Synth and you may ask why! There was an interview a while ago with the header and they ask him the same question. He answered something like this:

"we are not searching for the people like other competitive players do. Our interest is, people finding us and our products for the right reason" 

Have to say, I like this approach very much 8)


Keep in mind that with OSX Lion (any new Mac has this installed) itīs not possible to run anymore Logic 8! You have to upgrade and pay for version 9.


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Overrated Ambient
« on: February 17, 2012, 02:05:04 PM »
@Bill: i do think you mix up things here  ;)

"What do you think are the most overrated ambient albums?"

Itīs by itīs nature not possible to overrate an album which is i.e. for some month or years on the market. So we DO talk here about "older" stuff.

If the question was ""What do you think are the most overrated ambient artist?" then there is a chance for more answers because "hyper hyper" for artists is in today fashion indeed....and if clever done, easy to realize by knowing and using promotion tools like social networks.


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Overrated Ambient
« on: February 17, 2012, 01:33:14 PM »
Agree with:

FSOL - Lifeforms

Sounds for me very cheap without any content inside....seems they had just fun to play a bit around...LOL

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:07:48 PM »

Oliver Lieb - One of the most underrated + most flexible artist (if listeners are open and not stuck into 1 style)

Our Preorder for both releases ends soon and they will be shipped end of January - official release is end of February/beginning of March. You can combine orders to save a lot shipping costs (more details @ the links below).

Nautic Depths - Submental Vol 1

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Mathias Grassow - Himalaya 2012 (Special Edition)


Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: MP3 vs. FLAC
« on: January 18, 2012, 08:07:31 PM »
Something I find odd in these fidelity comparisons, is the nature of ambient music in comparison to say, acoustic instruments /  vocal recordings.

I can see purists having a problem with less than loss-less audio for certain types of music, but I think ambient is an odd one in that a large amount of 'electronic' sound is used in its production and while high fidelity is desirable (in my view), I'm wondering what the detrimental effects of 320 kbps mp3s might be in the case of ambient ?
Soundstage, stereo issues, high frequency distortions etc ?

Iīve enjoyed reading this post  :D

Well, people enjoy to hear birds in the middle of the night!  ;D

I made a test on Cubase Forum some years ago...3 mp3 files...

3 files, titled as A, B, C while the order was mixed . No one was knowing the compressing. I used 3 compression rates (128, 192, 256)

Then i ask the people to tell me the order, starting from best quality.

The most funny thing of all was, that no one of the "big speaker" and "i definately can hear this guys" in the thread actually told their opinion...hahahahha....after some months of voting the result was a pure mix of anything. There was NO tendency for a specific file.

But you know, itīs nice to hear birds in the night, because then there is a reason to discuss and complain.....


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