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I was under the impression, that it was high frequency loss that came with age / over-exposure to loud sound over time.

Not just an impression only but the truth  :)

On a side note:

Iīve noticed the most complains about technical issues of other music is coming from members clearly being newbie (with no references at all in music business). Of course, having enough money in today allows anyone to own the "right and respected gear" but unfortunately it needs a bit more than just owning or talking theoretical about it  ;D

Well put Tomas.....Im open to all sorts of opinions, hopefully they are humble especially online where you need to back off a fair bit compared to normal one on one dialogue. 

Gear means absolutely nothing when in the hands of a master.   Shall I bring up the master Samurai story with and inferior Katana sword in his hand and the poorly trainer opponent standing before him.  The sword does not matter. The picture is clear.

Im somewhat embarrassed that I have become involved in this silly bass debate, though it is good to see ambient musicians and ambient music lovers (thats pretty sexy) coming together in a single though diverse thread.

Itīs not really a serious debate of some members here as you can see in the responses above. On the other hand, I really didnīt expect something different by this guys. They mainly enjoy and want to debate about "high-end" and whatever "mystical 7% enhancement in sound"…hey, we are talking here about Ambient music which mostly is based on an embedded and often blurred bed of sounds and tones  ;D I could understand it if we would talk here about music where separation and authentic issues are very critical (like music including electronic + classical instrumentations for instance like Johan Johansson). All those funny responses above reminds me very much of many posts @ Gearslutz  ;D

Most surprising, some are barking so quickly/loud in response as if there is a serious need to defense themselves!

On Topic: Iīve listened to the the track with my Main Speakers + Subwoofer and for me there arenīt any issue with the low end at all. The low end definitely is pushed a tiny bit in volume but nothing out of balance or sounding wrong.


On a side note:

Iīve noticed the most complains about technical issues of other music is coming from members clearly being newbie (with no references at all in music business). Of course, having enough money in today allows anyone to own the "right and respected gear" but unfortunately it needs a bit more than just owning or talking theoretical about it  ;D

Quote from: Ekstasis[/quote

If steve roach relased shirts for every album I would probably be more likely to buy the shirt then the actual cd.

...because the music are on torrent places for free anyway?

I don't have time to give this a really good listen (nor provide the details you're asking for). Overall, I think it sounds fine, but if this was something I was mixing/mastering, the two things I'd change:
- The kick is a little mushy. This is likely by design though.
- The hihat sound that is brought in front and centre starting at 3:20 quickly grates my ears, especially when its accompanied by another at 3:54.

Hi Mike,

thanks  a lot for your comment!

On which speakers you have listened to the track?


Hi there,

first of all, IMO itīs a great EP but I know this music may be not everyoneīs cup of tea.

Iīm mainly interest in your subjective opinion about the SOUND (not the music/composition/arrangement/style) on a specific track and how the sound translates or "feels" for you on your speakers (please donīt use headphones):

IMPORTANT: For this questions I refer to the 3rd track "Sleep" only:

These are NOT "pro-engineer-questions" only, so Iīm interested in all opinions.

1. Whatīs  the trade and model of your speakers?

2: By running this track ones or several times, is there anything in the balance of the sound which is annoying for your ear? If so, which section feels wrong - please write the time of the section(s)

3: Is there a parts of the track you would like to hear louder or quieter? If so, which section? - please write the time of the section(s)

(4): For all the artists here on the board - imagine you are the mixing and/or mastering engineer of this artists, which part(s) of the track you would definitely EQ? Please write the time of the section(s) + approximate range of the problematic frequency and say roughly what you would change (i.e. increasing/decreasing frequencies etc)

Thanks for your participation!

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 30, 2014, 01:23:22 PM »
And now back to our regular programming  ;)

Could be my favorite Sakamoto collaboration.....the Fennesz treatments work so well with the piano.  More experimental than Sakamoto & Willets excellent Ancient Future but in a very good way and more accessible than their 12k release Ocean Fire.  Also theres an element in Sakamoto's piano that is reminiscent for me of his film music adding a melodic smoothness to the Fennesz glitch.

Got my cd from Amoeba in San Francisco, had a hard time finding it..... flac is available from Boomkat

Sad News about Sakamoto:


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Re: Miss you Forrest!
« on: July 20, 2014, 03:14:32 AM »
I was shocked when Tomas said that he wont send the CD becourse I live in Ukraine. I always was ordering all the cds and releases from Musical Philosophy all this time. Im very big fan of ambient music and now its a shame that the artists mix the political situation with music tastes and with music worlds(( Im really dissapointed.. I have no idea how to get now a new cd and also forthcoming also((( shit

Hello Dmytro,

I donīt understand why you post it in this thread (maybe one of the moderators can move both post to the "el culto news" thread???), but all youīre saying about me mixing politic and music is totally untruth. To rectify your assumptions, here is the email iīve sent to you:

"Hello Dmytro,

You probably havenīt received my previous information email with the lastest news about shipping (it was also announced on the web site). Since some month we have changed our shipping policy...see here:

For postal and logistic reason unfortunately we donīt ship anymore to several countries in the East (Ukraine included).

Iīm sorry for possible dissapointments!

All the best,

So please stick to the truth!


Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Miss you Forrest!
« on: July 16, 2014, 12:58:43 PM »

You should realise that being 'direct' on forums can come across as being rude. In the 'real world', I am very direct myself (and outspoken), so I try to be more circumspect online. 

The point still holds, a forum member who contributed a lot over the years has decided not to be a part of things anymore (for whatever reason) and that's a shame.

I understand what you are saying! But when people leave a forum for a while (Iīm pretty sure he will come back at some point) it isnīt the end of the world and this happens in other places too all the time. Iīm pretty sure the moderators will interact when someone is getting rude but I havenīt seen this for a long time.


Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Miss you Forrest!
« on: July 16, 2014, 12:38:33 PM »
Quote from: LNerell

...and my guess is his reason for disappearing without telling us is he probably didn't want to embarrass you.

It seems you know more than other people here! Anyway, at last you made me laugh with this statement  ;D


Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Miss you Forrest!
« on: July 13, 2014, 03:59:07 PM »
I donīt want to destroy here the party but trying to balance a bit the excitements.

In my opinion itīs great to have members in this place sharing their knowledge, but in my view they also should act mature when it comes to different opinions. From what I understand this member decided to disappear by a specific topic where he didnīt got the responses he was looking for and got upset by some critical replies.

So, just disappearing without telling the reason(s) really isnīt a mature action and for that reason I wonīt miss persons acting in this regard.


Everything and Nothing / Re: World Cup ?
« on: July 08, 2014, 11:29:35 PM »


Everything and Nothing / Re: A viewpoint of ambient EM music
« on: July 04, 2014, 04:35:45 PM »
Greetings Tomas :-)

Unfortunately I donīt have a FB button here, but "I Like" anyway  ;D


Shame the first and last track werenīt longer as preview!

Really like the drum pattern + backing starting at 1:30  :)

Not convinced about the bass sound starting around 1:05 + 1:53 ("too obvious and real" for my taste)


Everything and Nothing / Re: A viewpoint of ambient EM music
« on: July 04, 2014, 04:10:00 PM »
Quote from: Analoguekid

I was more surprised by his response to those paintings thinking they were some kind of "work of a genius" and the fact that he couldn't see that they were all the same :-)

Why being surprised? Thatīs a common and well known pattern for art - you just need a "name" and most (if not all) fans will follow blindly for anything coming up.

For instance, "Bach" or "Keith Jarrett" : In most places you canīt say something different things than "He or his music was just genius" if you donīt want to get a nice shitstorm - Those are seem as "untouchable" heroes  ;D

Being critical is something "alien" and not much appreciated in society at these days. Being uniform is the key to attract most value and "Likes" ;D



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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live ?
« on: June 25, 2014, 09:49:16 AM »
Just watched a quick tutorial on using Live as a slave and Logic 9 as master....very cool.  Turns Live into a very large and powerful software instrument.  Ive known of Rewire for years but never needed it or thought to use.  Glad you mentioned Tomas. Thanks

Hi Julio,

yes, thats what iīm doing (but with Cubase) for many years and with that you have the best of both worlds  :D Havenīt tested it with Logic because with Cubase itīs running extremely smooth!

Donīt like Live for Audio either but their build-in instruments are amazing and I like to have them used in Cubase…so, if you donīt have problems with the Rewire connection thatīs the way to combine it.


Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: June 24, 2014, 05:18:53 PM »
Stephen Vitiello + Taylor Deupree - Captiva
This is a great new vinyl 2x10" + digital release from 12k. Most of the source material comes from improvised guitar and synths recorded at the historic Fish House near Captiva Island, FL. The environmental sounds, as you might expect, emerge in the mix, creating a nice seaside feeling to the ambient soundscapes. The last track is pretty neat, containing some soft piano sounds, treated with found objects from the bay.

Oh, and the art for the album is mesmerizing. The entire package is really nifty.


Tried to check it out, but canīt bother anymore.

Not having audio-sample or even links on their website is the most stupid thing Iīve ever experienced concerning a label.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ableton Live ?
« on: June 24, 2014, 04:37:30 PM »
Quote from: Julio Di Benedetto

Any Live users on this Forum?

Yes, even though I use it in Rewire mode only! Whatīs your question?

Greetings ,

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