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Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: January 03, 2009, 01:18:29 PM »
I use dBpoweramp to rip.  It uses the Accuraterip database and C1 error reporting from the CD/DVD-ROM among other things to produce a precise copy of the music files.

If it hits unreadable errors, it reports them as frame errors and it rereads them repeatedly at reduced speed until the data is obtained or not.

The Baghiri disc (brand new, never played) had like 700 errors in the last track with no visible scratches.  It slowed down more and more to read the errors but never could.  I canceled the rip.

The Robert Scott Thompson disc was unplayable and unrippable.

I placed the Baghiri disc in my crappy home stereo CD player, and it seemed fine.

My "beef": I am unable to archive and stream these unrippable songs through my new system that is designed to replace CDs.

It may be debatable if that is a legitimate problem or not, but CDs may be going the way of vinyl because of their susceptibility to damage/poor manufacturing and because it is much "handier" to be able to dial up whatever music than to physically get a CD, put it in the player, and change it out at the end.

Squeezebox (my music server) has allowed me to rediscover so much of my music because basically it's playing all the time now...without having to change CDs or change out a CD changer.

I now have 37,000+ songs in .flac format on the hard drive of my music server.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: January 03, 2009, 11:42:15 AM »

Two clinkers in one day.

The latest is a previously unopened CDDA:

Amir Baghiri - Ghazal

The 2 last tracks have multiple errors.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: January 03, 2009, 10:51:14 AM »
In my further ripping adventures, I ran across another CD-R that has no visible scratches, yet refuses to rip or play:

Robert Scott Thompson - Blue Day

It appears to have a paper label on it.  The plastic has turned a bright yellow color.

The CD-R problems totally outnumber the CDA problems so far (5:1 or so)

I've emailed Aucourant about a replacement.

Jerry and I both broadcast our ambient stations from New Orleans for years without knowing each other.

One day he was checking out my site and thought he recognized some pictures.

He emailed and we chatted a few times.

Subsequently we both survived Katrina but with significant life changes.

I moved away in late 2006 and had not heard much from him. Lately I noticed that he had not updated his station in a bit.

He will be missed as he no doubt looks down on us from an astral plane.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Now Watching
« on: December 31, 2008, 09:36:27 AM »
Blu-Ray: The Dark Knight - great film but went on for too long - Heath Ledger is a great Joker

Blu-Ray: Iron Man - another good super hero movie

DVD: Stop Loss - a compelling story about the backdoor draft of the Iraq war

DVD: The Brothers Grimm - Terry Gilliam movie with great visuals and pretty good story - lots of fairytale references starring Matt Damon and Heath Ledger

I finally got a Blu-Ray player when I found one for $150 on

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: December 13, 2008, 04:00:57 PM »
I am converting my CD collection to .flac files for a home music server.

A conventional CD player would not suit this purpose unfortunately.

However, I will try the experiment and let you know.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: December 13, 2008, 08:54:45 AM »
The player rips other discs quickly and reliably with dBpoweramp. 

I have two players in the computer in question and neither reads the last track.  Both players are less than 2 months old.

I know this is not fool-proof evidence of a good player but it's the best I can do.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: December 13, 2008, 08:15:39 AM »
Yet another chapter in this super fascinating thread:

A CD-R this morning will not allow the last track to be read: Deep Chill Network - Dreams 4 - Why?

Inspection of the CD-R reveals no damage.

Is this some other problem with CD-Rs?

The list of non-ripping CD-Rs is certain growing with only one CDDA no-go.

My encouragement to try to avoid these things is also getting stronger.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: December 07, 2008, 10:57:07 AM »
I got an email from another person that informed me that his copy of "Blind Cinema" had gone to pot also.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: December 02, 2008, 04:35:15 AM »
It's there, Jim.

You didn't see your own name?

dBpoweramp put your name instead of "Rigel Orionis" as the folder name.

Look again.

So much for karma.
using the name "jim brenholts" is enough to ruin your kharma for at least the next year. that is why i use a recording alias.

Karma correction has been implemented at your request, sir.

I consider you the boss of your own music.

I clicked on the questionable folder name and took the trouble to type in Rigel Orionis.

I feel much better now, and I know you do too.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: December 01, 2008, 01:08:55 AM »
It's there, Jim.

You didn't see your own name?

dBpoweramp put your name instead of "Rigel Orionis" as the folder name.

Look again.

So much for karma.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: November 29, 2008, 12:49:36 PM »

I just ran across another CD-R that gives multiple frame offset errors (24,000+) with dBpoweramp.

The disc in question:  Kwook - Unidentified Feathered Object

I was able to rip it using WinAmp Pro but I suspect that the errors were included or skipped.

Visual inspection of the disc reveals it to be pristine without dust, scratches or fingerprints.

I have had no problems with a CDDA except for one (Two Lone Swordsmen: Tiny Reminders)

The score is 3 CD-Rs to 1 CDDA bad so far in my ripping adventures.

It looks like Matt Harris' label has found a replacement disc for my copy of Blind Cinema :)

As an FYI you can see the ambient folder on the third hard drive that I recently added to my music server:

Everything and Nothing / CD Artwork and Packaging
« on: November 28, 2008, 11:02:48 AM »
In this day of digital downloads, I still prefer the CD.  I like vinyl records, too.

The packaging is a definite plus, but it does take a tremendous amount of space (for my collection.)

I would like to nominate the Faria Records label as having some of the best packaging:

Each release includes a LOT of artwork.

And the music is excellent too IMHO.

I'm ripping the Robert Rich & Faryus release "Zerkalo" for my music server as I type this message.

What other packaging has caught your attention lately?


np: World Domination Enterprises (with samples from Dr. Who)

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: November 26, 2008, 05:12:40 AM »

I've been trying to figure out how to contact Mr. Harris.  I searched the forum using keyword "Harris" and came up empty except for my posts.

Mr. Harris' website is not functional.

If you have info on how to contact him, let me know.

Aucourant who published his CDs is also working on the problem for me.

Thanks for all the great comments and info.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: November 23, 2008, 03:11:36 PM »
I have tried many drives for each of the "faded" discs with no luck.

From now on when I get a CD-R, I will rip immediately, then place it in an opaque vacuum container, and store at -70 deg F in the basement where gamma radiation is less prevalent.   ;D

Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: November 23, 2008, 02:56:52 PM »
I am also using dBpoweramp in secure mode.

So far I have approximately 30,000 tracks ripped.

By the way the Matthew J Harris disc was produced in 2001.

So far I have not run across any unreadable regular CDs, but I remember an old Gothic disc I had that had the "CD rot" that was supposed to eat my whole collection someday.

Everything and Nothing / CD-R Deterioration
« on: November 23, 2008, 02:08:37 PM »
Hi ya'll.

I have this ridiculously large collection of music on CD that I am ripping to .flac files for my music server.

As the title says, I have run across at least 2 CD-Rs by ambient musicians that have deteriorated to the point of being unreadable by all the drives I have (4 CD players, 5 DVD-RWs, etc).

Why do I bring this up?

There are a lot of musicians using CD-R now and hopefully those discs will retain the beautiful music as they should...or will they?

One of my bad discs has been replaced by the musician.  The other disc is apparently not replaceable as the disc is out of print (Michael J Harris: Blind Cinema).  If anyone can give or sell me a copy of the latter I would appreciate it.  I can email you a picture of me holding the disc and cover for proof.

Anyway, musicians should consider shying away from releasing their "timeless" ambient music on CD-Rs that appear to be timed to deteriorate.  :-\

Happy Holidays, ya'll.


Everything and Nothing / Re: download to cdr>
« on: March 15, 2008, 06:30:24 AM »
You need to select "audio CD" format in Nero Burning ROM.

Then drag the files to Nero or browse to them.



I run which is a site devoted to ambient artists & music.

I recently moved to Austin and spent quite a bit of time unpacking and trying to organize my collection of antiquated optical discs.


PS If you are in the links section of the site and want to be updated, just let me know

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