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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 04, 2015, 05:49:35 AM »
Lots of good points Loren, Thanks!

Additional thing to consider would be extra hardware Reverb, FX and compressor.  I have an Eclipse, perfect for 2 channels but used on say a 24 channel mixer it would be the same preset across aux 1 on every channel. If I want another sound on aux 2 it would have to come from another unit, same goes with a compressor. Having to go from say a "Medium Hall" to a "Lost in Space" sound  all going through aux 1 would be a definite compromise.  Now I understand why there are all those racks of gear in recording studios with big mixing desks.

To bring the mixer alive it would require quite an investment in hardware audio processing gear along with cables as you mentioned.

Need to think about all this.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 03, 2015, 08:09:30 AM »

Forrest do you use your mixer and FX just as a front end to the daw and mix in the daw or do you come back out and use the mixer to mix, so to speak.  Im using the old school model as best I know it where the tracks were laid down through the desk to tape, they were then pulled up across the console and "mixed" and then sent to 2 track tape ready for mastering.  Im curious as the lore of AD conversion stands its best not to convert back to analog once in the box.

Hi Julio,

I generally use the analog mixer at the front end to "wet" the signal while playing live before sending it into the DAW.  I then add some plugins to alter the signal before adjusting the volume within each channel and rendering it to a stereo mix within the DAW.  I prefer shaping my own "automated" mixing curves within the DAW over live mixing, because I can spend more time on individual subsections of a piece without having to remix the whole piece.

The only exception I've made to this approach is that when I record as Sans Serif, I often start with digital files that have already been processed or edited, then feed that into the analog mixer using outboard effects, with the results mostly being recorded in analog into a DAT in real-time.  I think that because of this, many of the Sans Serif pieces have more an improvisational flavor to them.


Thanks for the insight into your process Forrest.....very interested in your San Serif approach, I could see that yielding all sorts of unexpected events and those sweet accidental moments.

Seren I think VS2480 still stands its ground today, perhaps its storage capacity is not up to current standards but in tandem with a computer or external drive it seems a very good studio solution with a small footprint.

I think for myself I would go the mixing desk route and use the computer as Forrest does, however it will require a major shuffling of gear.  I have worked at bring the audio production quality of my studio components up over the years and have reach its zenith all of which is focused on a 2 channel input daw system.  With a mixer Id want multi track recording capabilities which would mean more converters for example, so it will take quite bit of reconfiguring and solution thinking.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 02, 2015, 04:09:05 PM »

 These days, I use a Mackie mixer with additional outboard effects before going into my laptop to record.  It adds an element of noise, I know, but I find it more interesting to use options from both worlds and combine them.


Forrest do you use your mixer and FX just as a front end to the daw and mix in the daw or do you come back out and use the mixer to mix, so to speak.  Im using the old school model as best I know it where the tracks were laid down through the desk to tape, they were then pulled up across the console and "mixed" and then sent to 2 track tape ready for mastering.  Im curious as the lore of AD conversion stands its best not to convert back to analog once in the box.

Steve Roach uses the computer pretty much just as an audio recorder with some processing. 

I think most of the better stand alone multi-track recorders have been discontinued, most of the ones I see now are really extended field recorders. I know Mackie and Alesis made 24 track hard-disc recorders like this one, that you can pick up used really cheap now:

Of course the big daddy pro one is the IZ Technology Radar that is still being made today:

Thanks Loren for confirming Steve Roach's process....I do remember the Radar, and glad to hear they are still with us.  A nice piece of kit for sure.

Seren, appreciate the in depth suggestions as well as Gigi's working method!

I recall standing in front of the VS 2480 in a music store and thinking "omg" when it came out and having no clue what to do with....still intimidates me  ;D

What would be really great is a system similar to this Roland that could have your plugins, soft instruments et el installed and give some analog goodness, digital convenience and hands on connectivity.....does it exist?   

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 01, 2015, 07:13:00 AM »
Hi Pete, yes an alternative recording setup or alternative approach as you suggest with your iPad.

On a side line modular synthesis is really booming now because I believe musicians are coming to a world without presets and patch memory, its raw, alive, difficult at first and so hands and usually without ones & zeros involved.....this is sort what Im thinking about regard a recording environment.

As a teenage drummer in the late 70's early 80's I was around recording studios with the band I was in making demo tracks with mixing consoles and multi track tape machines but when I started recording music around 2000 the daw was well established so I have missed that era.  Perhaps I actually missed nothing and am better off now and just dont realize it.....I have heard recording industry people say how they cant believe how they did it back in the day compared to now, but these are professionals with clients, money and expensive studio rates etc. 

Im finding Listening to the music without seeing it is quiet a revelation and changing the way one works can often open up all sorts of possibilities.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 01, 2015, 05:56:26 AM »
Hi Forrest & Phobos,

There is no doubt the daw offers such recording flexibly un matched, probably in the history of recorded music.

Always wanted to go to tape Forrest but more in a live type environment.....multiple instruments through a mixing board, Fx etc, stereo out to 2 track conversion.  Ultimately it would have to go in the box for mastering etc.

I have used Logic for years and more recently Live, very comfortable with logic. 

That Tascam unit does look impressive Phobos.

From studio pictures I have seen It seems to me Steve Roach works with the mixing desk as key to his process and the daw more of a digital multitrack.  His sound is controlled from the desk not the daw.  Others here may have more knowledge about his setup but if its so it appeals to me as a way to work. Old school in approach but still with the flexibility of the daw as needed.

Obviously a daw today is as much an instrument as a way of tracking music so to preclude it for some would be pointless though some soft instruments can be standalone.

My approach for all my recording has been to treat the daw as a digital multi track, rarely get into midi and mostly use hardware instruments and my production methods are straight forward with no bells and whistles.

Hope to hear from others with their ideas and perspectives.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Recording music without a computer
« on: June 30, 2015, 04:58:19 PM »
I spend so much time in front of the computer for music and otherwise that I was wondering what viable alternatives there might be to recording music without it, the computer that is.

Only person I know of is Seren.....I assume that still stands as so.

I guess part of this has to do with working deeper in Abelton Live, for sure a daw in the full sense yet in its main mixing window, it has a better name, you dont see anything but the individual channels, no graphic audio until you decide to create that.

Im really getting into the listen and not seeing.  It was the opposite for a long the arrange window of said daw I could paint with graphic it but.

Is there a viable alternative to the computer / daw....and if so what would you do?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Solid State Logic Duendo Plugin Sale
« on: June 15, 2015, 12:31:01 PM »
So I did.....this was an email to me from SSL and I have only check their website which is $99, and the sale ends on June 29th.

Heres the links

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Solid State Logic Duendo Plugin Sale
« on: June 15, 2015, 04:43:26 AM »
Dont usually see this software go on sale.....$99 for each plugin!  Follow the links for in depth video.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: New loscil video
« on: June 01, 2015, 03:49:49 PM »
Beautiful short film, photography really captures the organic nature and yet it is so other worldly and the music, a different side of Loscil that just works perfectly with the imagery.

Thanks for sharing 

Glad to hear the cd arrived safe Paul.....I remember the beaches of Scotland, especially the Outer Hebrides, the most beautiful I have ever seen. Great that you live close to something similar.  The cover picture was actually taken in Costa Rica during a surf trip. 


Karel, an ambient cd collector from the Czech Republic sent me this beautiful picture with my new release included...Wow!  Thanks Karel!

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« on: May 21, 2015, 04:54:46 PM »
First of all thanks for the compliment on Seed Julio, and second I agree with Mike, great post!

I just upgraded my headphones to the new Audio Technicha ATH-M70x and all I can say is WOW! The clarity is stunning. The low end may seem shy to some, but its really more that it is not exaggerated like some headphones.

Hi Paul....Yes "Seed" is a sonic gem not often seen in ambient circles, and naturally that amount of detail is seriously matched by phenomenal music performance and production.

Through headphones lets keep the production level of what we hear at its zenith

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« on: May 19, 2015, 01:11:34 PM »
Great post, Julio. I love reading this kind of stuff.

I've been considering for a while that I have several pairs of very good headphones, but no great ones. Maybe instead of multiple $200-400 headphones I should try something really high-end. We shall see...

If and when you do Mike I can really recommend  The Cable Co and their headphone lending library..... 

The ability to try before you buy at this price point is pretty crucial and to be able to have 3 of some of the best cans on the market to demo is unheard of.  They will also lend headphone amps as well.  The cost was about $250 for a 10 day trail period which if you buy through them they will put that towards the headphone cost so you are only out of pocket for the shipping.  Very sweet.

Its the best sonic investment I have made.  It has completely changed the way I hear music, for pleasure or for studio work.

Thanks so much for your insightful thoughts have a good sense of the music and its sonic persuasions. Feed back from those that listen to the music is so important, for any artist. Im grateful for your support and taking the time for a deeper listening.

In one sense I have no intent other than the this urge to write music...what stirs this could be many things. 

I never had music in my head that I attempted to transcribe out into real music, into the real world which is odd as when I mostly painted some 25 years ago I used to do lots of sketches, color renderings etc, so that when it came to stretch a canvas I had a clear idea of where I was going. Perhaps this is something to do with visualization whereas the abstract nature of music in that it does not exist unless played and has no tangible form once complete precludes me form seeing it, or pre-hearing it.

Listening to other music can get the juices flowing but often that can be a technical thing, musical structure, musical sounds and how they are used, mixing preferences etc.  Sitting down, or standing and firing up a keyboard usually can inspire a new creation.  Recycling patches already used in other projects often leads to new sonic adventures.  Starting with a blank patch also but can be much more demanding. 

If a musical idea comes it is when I play the piano.....synths inspire galactic travel for me and are not usually the first place for melodic construction if that indeed is where I think I could go.  The piano is also very honest and shows flaws in structure easily whereas a single note on a synth can keep me occupied for hours in wonder at its evolving never ending nature.

I think I do treat the daw as a canvas and the musical instruments I use as the color palette, nothing unusual there but there is still no intent, well yes Im intending to write music and the outcome is unknown and for me that is the excitement.....a journey along which I grow, learn and hopefully become.....not so much better but maybe closer to something...?

Good topic Mike!

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« on: May 17, 2015, 05:30:24 AM »
Some may have read this elsewhere like rM several months ago and for some reason I did not post it here in a thread I actually started, so hear it is.

A Tale of 3 Headphones & an Amplifier

I had been thinking of upgrading my monitors but had realized that I recorded all my music using headphones and not monitors for a while.  There were times I had not turned the monitors on for months.  This made me think some more…. a monitor investment  to improve upon where Im at now was going to be very costly.  So what was all this fuss about headphones I had been hearing as a way to remove the room out of the mixing equation …..Im not an audiophiles though I do love great sound and you cant mix on cans…..well thats not true, many do with success. 

Then began a lot of reading and anytime someone said neutral sounding or microscopic detail that would suit audio pros for mixing and mastering I took note.  The one headphone that came up constantly in this context was the Sennheiser HD 800.  As I got further into this I discovered that the Sennheiser HD 800 had seemed to have become the standard that all other cans were judged.

Then the whole notion of open and closed cans came up so I wondered if there were any  closed cans that could compete with the HD 800 reputation… name kept coming up, Foster TH 900….more reading, pros cons etc and yet I had not heard anything, I was listening to words not sound.

I then come across a small ad on the side banner of some headphone forum that said “The headphone Lending Library...listen before you buy”.  It turns out thats what The Cable Company does, they sell and lend audiophile cables and also headphones.  Ok now I can hear what all these words I had read are trying to describe.

The name Audeze LCD X came up on radar….Planar Magnetic Headphones.

I contacted the Cable Co. and after several weeks the Sennheiser HD800, Foster TH900 and the Audeze LCD X arrived at my door for an auditioning period of about 10 days.

Headphones that I considered but for a reason or not decided against.  Beyerdynamics Tesla T1, AKG K 801 & Grado PS 1000e

The Amplifier

As I was researching my intention was to plug the headphones into my mixer which has a headphone amp…..I did not want an independent headphone amp and then when I do want to use the monitors I will need a passive switch which would mean the sources would be difference…...thats where the SPL Phoniter 2 came into the picture.  Firstly a headphone amp thats made for mixing with crossfade and angle capabilities and happens to have a pair of balance outputs designed to drive active monitors.  Sold!  To my astonishment the monitors came alive as I had never heard them before when fed by the Phonitor 2.  Ive had my monitors for 9 years….I know them but what I was hearing had some much more presence, detail and space….I was shocked and this was just the icing not the cake….the cake was for the headphones.  FYI my mixer and Metric Halo uln2 headphone amps drove these cans quite well but could not touch the sound coming through the Phoniter 2

As I write this Im in the middle of the audition period…..heres a selection of music thats being used with these headphones.  These recordings are great sonic examples of performance, recording, mixing and mastering and are reference cds I know.

Donald Fagan, The Nightfly & Morph the Cat
Diana Krall, The look of Love
Pat Metheny, Bright Sized Life
David Gilmore: On an Island
Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon
David Chesky, The Body Acoustic
The Penguin Cafe Orchestra
Peter Gabriel, Security
Beethoven Symphony No7, Academy of Ancient Music, Hogwood
Pieter Nooten / Michael Brooks, Sleeps with the Fishes
Ma Ja Le / James Johnson, Seed

Very little ambient except for Seed….a stunning recording, performance, mixing and these gentlemen put the mix in the hands of a very good mastering engineer. 

The Headphones.

At this level all cans are really very good and it would come down to personal taste, however the Foster Th 900 lacked the soundstage of the HD 800 and LCD X, understandable they are closed and considering they did really well.  The Audeze LCD X was a little disappointing, its hard to say why, perhaps they come across a little bloated by a dominant low end for my taste though I suspect its because of the stellar performance and resolution of the Sennheiser HD 800...everything that you may have read about the HD800, assuming your interested of course, is true.  The soundstage and placement of the music and instruments is breath taking...its not that the headphones disappear, its that you disappear into the music.  The main concern that I read was that the HD 800 is bright and can fatigue, perhaps for an audiophile who is used to listening to silk, cream and warmth they could be fatigued, but to someone who is used to a studio audio / neutral honesty then the Sennheiser HD 800’s are a sonic delight.

For more details and opinions on these headphones search the web….what most people say about them seems to pan out from my actual listening experience and if your in the market for headphone its really worth it to borrow a few from the Cable Co.

How all this will translate into my personal music production has yet to be determined but its sounding good….

Beautiful album cover Julio, I will check this out tonight whilst partaking of a wee dram of Edradour  ;)

Looking forward to both already.

Single malt & ambient music...a perfect match!

The music will be on its way to you shortly....Many thanks!

I worked for several years on this project and when that moment came when it was ready to be shared I had to wish it the best, say farewell and let it go in hope that the music would touch some people, one or two or many.  Its not something I can control.

The first response was critical and one that I understand because Tomas quickly picked up on what I was trying to achieve in production even though it was not to his taste. He clearly stated he likes the musical ideas. Enough said. 

We come here on this forum and others to share with each other our love for ambient so happens this is my music and I am open to any kind of discussion positive and otherwise. Its important that we can interact with on another and exchange ideas and inspire each other.

Take some time when you can an just listen to the music.  Its there...its finished...this part of my journey is over, perhaps the music may offer something towards your journey. 

Thanks for your comments, Pete, Phobos and Forrest,

"Overexposed music".....perhaps its an FX plugin, different from a saturator and a distortion unit, maybe more like tape saturation, no that could be too subtle.  In the right hands overexposure in photography is a very creative method of expression....perhaps there are pixels in music!

It has been more than 2 years since my last releases....Original Light was finished rather quickly or so I thought, sometimes a music project needs to sit for a while to give it some space or space for me from it...... It was a sequence of sketches that suggest something but needed time to show the path ahead. A project can be realized in a short period, more often it takes time for me to come to terms with what has been done and consider if it is ready for release.

This looks good. Can't wait to listen to it in full.

Thanks Harry....Enjoy!

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