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Everything and Nothing / Re: My coworker stopped talking to me
« on: April 09, 2014, 10:44:49 AM »
Because of the close quarters best to confront him and get it out in the takes a fair bit of courage to be direct.  You could also inquire if things are all right with him in his world as you notice a difference recently, sort of being the caring co work, which Im sure you are.....this might get him to talk.  Perhaps others in office may have more insight....anyone he's friendly with that you could talk to.

Its horrible when you just cant walk away and there seems to be no other solution...good luck.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Ambient Music Download Pricing
« on: April 07, 2014, 05:48:15 PM »
For some reason 24 bit master quality seems to have garnered  a premium.....sort of like a luxury tax on a $200.000 Rolls Royce or whatever they may cost.  Bandcamp will level the the playing field which is sort of silly for labels who should pay attention to this and not push themselves out of the market place!

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Ambient Music Download Pricing
« on: April 07, 2014, 05:56:06 AM »
I was just over at the Spotted Peccary label website checking out some of their great music and talented roster of artist and happen to click on the music buy option , i.e. cd or download format and was surprised to see such high download prices.


What I am trying to figure out is the reasoning for this pricing structure, specifically the high res downloads..... almost $12 for a flac file and near $16 for 24bit file ???  $2 less the a physical cd or $2 more.

I love this label so understand Im not going after them and one can find some crazy pricing out there when you get into audiophile HD downloads sites.

Could the high price reflect addition storage cost for large file size?
Did the label have additional mastering cost to run a second pass, one @ 16bit for cd replication and another @ 24bit for HR download?
Is the pricing a deterrent to encourage more physical cd sales?
Is this a way to stay alive in a seemingly every shrinking ambient community? 

I think its great that they offer such a wide variety of formats yet Im must say there's some sticker shock involved.

Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: Laptop Cooling Pads
« on: April 06, 2014, 07:44:14 AM »
Thanks for the link Tomas.....I see what you mean now.  Do you put anything between the heatsink and the computer to prevent metal on metal scratching.  I release direct contact is vital for heat transference.

Thanks for the confirmation and suggestions Scott.

I will report back and with results.

Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: Laptop Cooling Pads
« on: April 04, 2014, 08:47:47 PM »
Ok Tomas, makes sense.  I did replace the HD with SSD but not the dvd drive....most of the heat is from the middle back towards the lcd to the left where the thunderbolt, USB & Firewire ports are.   No heat on the button here.  The heat sink sounds interesting. Can you post a link or describe what you mean.  I did see a thermpak heat absorption pad that seemed decent but people said that once it got warmed up after a few hours of heavy use it just acted like a blanket and made matters worse.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 04, 2014, 06:20:18 PM »
Yes Tomas....Im am wine drinker too, but Ive been watching some All Blacks Rugby history recently and some how wine just does work in that scenario, though New Zealand makes great wine so maybe. ;D

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 04, 2014, 05:43:04 PM »
drone on, with respect, please, a great effort has been made to construct a valid discussion about the possibilities of ambient now and in future.

If people disagree and get passionate about it more the better...bring it on.  When we are done we'll all go down the pub and have a beer or two but in the interim this needs to run its course.

Mr Griffin Sir.....I sense you are ready to release your dragons of reason...sorry, 4th season of Game of Thrones airs april 6th

Computers, Internet and Technology / Laptop Cooling Pads
« on: April 04, 2014, 03:19:15 PM »
Just purchased this Zalman NC3000U Laptop cooling pad for my 17" Macbook Pro.....$43.  Seems the most power at the least db 17.  Not sure if Ive just bought a glorified spacer that would be better cooling me down or not. 

I have enjoyed my Macbook but for low volume mixing & mixing in general through monitors the fan adds way too much noise.  I see an iMac in my future but for now Im hoping this may cool things down a bit.


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 04, 2014, 01:07:05 PM »
I also suspect that we need to rethink *who* the consumers are in this genre. I assume the potential market for ambient music isn't college students who like to attend dance parties. It is probably composed of people who are collectors, audiophiles, and musicians themselves. So, finding ways to get more money from Spotify, for example, might not be the right kind of strategy for increasing the financial viability of ambient labels. But exploring other options, such as bundling digital downloads (available on purchase, as with BC) with purchases of the physical product, might be one solution that both embraces new technology while appealing to the collector mentality. I also think one solution is to focus on high-quality releases. Just because you can release something doesn't mean you should. Also, simply acknowledging that there are communities out there and embracing them can help a lot. I know people here have expressed their disdain for self-promotion. I can relate to that. But simply "knowing" who someone is--even via online platforms--makes them more human. And, at least for me, that makes me want to buy their work.

This is the sort of think for the future I like to see.......because ambient must look there.

I read recently through the hyprreal ambient emails I get that some weird label is ripping sound cloud music from artist and selling "meditation" compilation downloads on iTunes.  That is blatant theft.

Forrest & guys are put forward some powerful concepts/truths and Im not sure how, or maybe I dont understand how it got a little out of hand but perhaps we can use some more ... :), to be  make sure points are taken in the right way.  This is important what is being discussed and many will read it.

Ultimately if I want to promote the music I love and want to bring it to the attention of others I suppose I will have to live with any negative, unseen scenarios because the worst thing possible would be silence.

Wouldn't the worst thing possible would be being sued by Lars Ulrich?;)


Forrest, from a non legal perspective James Hetfield scares me more ;D

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 04, 2014, 06:20:41 AM »
Thanks for the heads up drone on......I had Exit Stage left in vinyl an never bought it again when I switched to over to cd. I will check this out.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 04, 2014, 06:16:10 AM »
This thread has certainly got me think about the many issues at work here.

I dont think there is a solution to this....there is however evolution and as such we have no choice but to evolve or.......

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 03, 2014, 06:38:04 AM »
It's sort of funny in a way, the last Youtube post I made here was "Disintegrating Loops #6" in the now playing thread  without a thought to anything we are was just there. I did not think.

Should I have?

In my opinion: yes.

There are two outcomes for people who hadn't heard the album before. After listening to the samples you linked: 

(a) they decided not to buy the album
(b) they decided to buy the album.

In the first scenario, the artist neither lost nor gained anything. (And there is always a chance that the listener was intrigued enough to return to the choice in the future.)  In the second, the artist gained something. Something > nothing.

There is a chance that there was someone out there who was considering buying the album "site unseen" in 2014, but who has now realized that there is no point in doing so (thanks to your link) because they can hear it for free on YouTube. My intuition is that this probability is smaller than that associated with outcome (b).

Interesting Chris......I feel that the act of sharing should only work in one way and that is a positive one, however a very negative aspect also exists as is being discussed.  Ultimately if I want to promote the music I love and want to bring it to the attention of others I suppose I will have to live with any negative, unseen scenarios because the worst thing possible would be silence. 

The question remains.....with this free music mentality ingrained in society, what is the solution.....i dont know but so long as we keep talking about the music we love and there is exposure in all forms then it will prevail.

Good debate.  :)     

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 31, 2014, 06:48:12 PM »
It's sort of funny in a way, the last Youtube post I made here was "Disintegrating Loops #6" in the now playing thread  without a thought to anything we are was just there. I did not think.

Should I have?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 31, 2014, 06:35:57 PM »
At the end of the day there are only 2 kind of listeners…those who can "live or feel the music" and are willing to support the artists and those who rip them off by just having "something new" in their collection.

The only thing I might add is that some don't realize they "are ripping off" it simply normal to do 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 31, 2014, 05:02:22 PM »
I will look for those videos Forrest...thanks

I feel the business models of the music world are long gone and maybe thats ok as they were very exclusionary.  Few had personal studios and pro studios or even semi pro were expensive and means of distribution were also very limited.

Today the opposite is true which has ultimate lead to a free music market place and one that few artist can survive on their creations. 

My personal music efforts are labors of love funded with the desire to share and Im under no delusion that the money I put into production and musical toys will be reimbursed  so to speak by music really does not change anything.  I think I can say "WE"...are driven by elements beyond finical gain.  I dont believe it is total motivating factor.  Certainly it is good to be recognized critically and also monetarily but the critical will fire up an artist and sustain him or her creativity much more than the money.....Ok I am delusional  ;)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 31, 2014, 04:02:37 PM »
On the upside we get to see creative videos + music from talented artists like Tomas, Pete & Anthony.  This is where Youtube really shines for me regarding music, and my second  video favorite.....anything to do with Wolves  ;D.

P.S. Any video work from you Forrest or made with your consent?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 31, 2014, 01:21:07 PM »
This past week, Sam at Projekt made me aware of a site that not only had links to my music that had been posted to youtube in video form, but also had stripped the music from the videos and made them available as MP3s.  The fidelity is of course not the same, but besides the rights issue, that's a problem, too, if you don't want to see your music being presented in a lo-fi fashion.

This really does illustrate  your point.....the rights issue and the lo fi aspect after all the precious time mixing and mastering.  That would make me rather  >:(

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 31, 2014, 04:54:57 AM »
I think because Im so used to watch videos, mostly Youtube and sometimes Vimeo, of for example surfing footage or TED or gear demo's or silly / funny cat videos on my girlfriends Facebook page I don't  associate Youtube with piracy and artist rights.  It really never occurred to me.

As Ive said Youtube is a resource for me to listen to demos of music I can find fuller length examples or to discover artist music Im not familiar with which assists me in my purchasing decisions.

Have I ever used Youtube as a Video Jukebox....yes, not for ambient but more for music from my teenage years, pop and synth pop.  I'll get an Abba song stuck in my head and have to hear it  :o

As for anyone recording a youtube stream....why both ???

Personally I dont feel Youtube music videos are the same as file sharing, maybe because of the visual element where posters have gone to often great lengths to create a montage to accompany the music that they did not write but are posting.  File sharing had / has a hoarding characteristic to it....."70,000 song and counting and all free"

I suppose though infringement is infringement when you boil it down.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 29, 2014, 09:29:13 PM »
As you rightly suggested Chris here is a link to hopefully more conversations about Youtube...

Like you Im deep into the 30th anniversary "Structures from Silence"

Other Ambient (and related) Music / What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 29, 2014, 09:17:26 PM »
I copied theses quotes to start a new thread from the Now Playing conversation about Youtube......

"Interesting to hear that youtube is used these days by lots of people primarily to browse for music."...Pete Kelly

"That only bothers me is if the music is up there without the artist's or label's consent.  It's not unusual to see entire albums up there, and I would be surprised if most of the postings had prior consent.  The default assumption these days seems to be that you must have consented to it, even if you didn't know about it or didn't see it up there when you last checked."... Forrest Fang

"Don't think audiophiles would be going to YouTube for stealing music or anything.  I see it as a good form of promotion."....drone on

"What drone on said. The top referrer to my site is YouTube, with an average bounce rate of 35%. In my case, it's an excellent form of promotion."....Altus

"Yes, but that's the individual artist or label's decision to make, not the listener's.  I'm completely OK with the occasional piece of mine appearing on a blog mix, for example.  What I'm not OK with is a person posting one of my releases in its entirety anywhere in any form without my consent or my label's. This has happened more than once and I've had to sent take down notices."....Forrest Fang

"While I agree with what Forrest says (I wouldn't be best pleased if someone uploded one of my albums without my permission), I still think it's where a lot of people are going to find new music, so I make a video (usually a montage) whenever I release something and put it up on the choob.

I can't think of better ways to get it 'out there'. soundcloud (for example) doesn't work in that way, in my experience."....Pete Kelly

"When music that is mentioned here in the "Now Playing" thread that I might be interested in I follow whatever links are offered and also head to youtube which usually has a fair share of the artists music  to help me decide in my purchase.  It is a great resource.  I agree with Forrest about artists rights yet most of the youtube post I listen to have so much admiration for the music being posted its hard to fault it. 

Really a lot of my music purchasing decisions are often based more on youtube than the artist websites because of the silly 30 second sound clip rule that many adhere.....perhaps a Youtube thread?"...Julio Di Benedetto

"Pete and Julio,

I know there can be an inherent tension between an artist or a small label's rights and a listener's desire to hear as music as he or she can for as cheap as possible, and that YouTube for some fulfills that need alone, while other use it as a basis for experimenting with purchasing new music.  Ultimately, if musicmaking can no longer pay for itself and, instead, musicians continue to lose money paying for mastering, licensing of photos and artwork, you will have fewer musicians able or willing to do this at a continued loss and I think the pool of available music will gradually become the poorer for it.  If listeners truly respect the musicians whose music they like, they should pay for it, unless the musician chooses to make it available for free.  I try to balance my pay releases with some "free" material, such as my "Seeds of Memory" EP on Thomas Park's Treetrunk netlabel, as a way of giving those unfamiliar with my work a taste of what I do.

I buy quite a bit of music, physical and virtual, so I try to put money where my mouth is, as I think it's the right thing to do."...Forrest Fang

"What you say here Forrest is becoming a disturbing reality, or perhaps is a reality.  The idea of a pool of music becoming a puddle is a sad picture.  Some might say that there is so much out there that maybe its not a terrible thing yet it would be for the wrong reason.  All suffer for sure.

I feel that artists / musicians need to step up their personal exposure via websites / Bandcamp etc....and offer music fans a decent amount of music to listen to to help the purchasing process and thus avoid the need for youtube browsing.  This is my reason for going to youtube because I often cant find the music discussed here.  30 second sound clips @ amazon, itunes & cdbay does not promoted sales in IMHO. I realize that what you say Forrest goes much deeper and  started with the Napster thing and now "Free" is the first step towards success 

This is a huge worth chatting about for musicians and even more so music lovers."....Julio Di Benedetto

"This is an interesting topic. You guys should create a separate thread for it so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle."....Chris23

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