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Thanks Mike & Loren for your insight.  Nice glimpse inside your live setup Loren.

Heres a link to a recent 16 gig ram setup from OWC I came across today for the current Macbook......painful sticker price.  Their 8 gig option is almost $100 cheaper than apples 8 gig option http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/09/16-gb-ram-upgrades-for-new-macbook-pros-now-available/

SSD is expensive.....I have almost 2 tb of glyph firewire external storage.  I will stick with that and install a SSd drive in the laptop as you did Mike.  What size SSD do you have installed Mike?

It will be a challenge going to 17" Screen after using a 23" apple display.  Im hoping that as one works much closer to the screen it wont be so bad and there are different resolution option that give more screen space.

Any thoughts to the anti glare screen macbook pro?  Cant say Im fond of the glare that comes of the new Imacs when I had the chance to use one.  I like the look of my current brushed aluminum 23" lcd apple display.  No glare from that.

Prometheus I'm sure will be my only visit to a movie theatre this year.  Theaters stink unless its an "event.". Sadly, event films are going the way of the dinosaur, with so many insipid action films, cartoons, or remakes clogging up theaters.

Prometheus & The Hobbit are the only movies I have intentions of seeing....however the local performance theater does a summer foreign art movie festival with some obscure and often unknown to me movies which I try to catch when I can.  My netflix habit is in recovery and about the only thing I watch from time to time is the sundance channel which can be really quite good 

Always enjoy this topic when it comes up because the issues simply do not go away.  From the label down to the independent artist the release of a cd results in the apparently unavoidable stock piling of packaged cds and in some cases cdrs.  I speak from within this genre, though I wonder if it doesnt extend through the entire music world.....the equation is wrong, not the maths which as been well presented here.

My personal experience which I have brought up here before regarding my first release and the pressing of 1000 double cds....you read this last sentence and you already know the story.  Every time I open the closet in the office and see the boxes of cds, I wonder to myself.....you really did not know what you were doing.  It has nothing to do with the music format, perhaps it says something about the quality of music.  There are many questions I could and do ask myself about this, but ultimate with ego aside it was a decision based on economics....300 pressed double cd package +mastering costs etc adds up to a financial disaster in the capitalistic sense.  So to be able to price this project within the reaches of potential listeners  the pressing of a 1000, actually 2000 discs as its a double cd was necessary albeit stupid as I look back now.

This leads me to consider for my new release what format should I go with.  Initially "in true form" the project was going to be a 3 disc release, mastering and artwork are already done......haunted by the ghost in my closet I have dismissed this idea, artwork can be reconfigured.  Perhaps then 3 separate  releases, part 1 part 2 and part 3.  Cds or cdrs, and or, or and......I have been going back and forth with this for 6 months or so.  Right now Im seriously considering a digital only release in Flac, Wav and possible a 24bit master edition.  No mp3 format....chopping off parts of the music to fit a convenient fast form of distribution doesnt fly for me and we have discussed this elsewhere in the forum so I wont go into it .

Thanks for listening....and to the topic question.  I think the Hypnos Secret Sound format @ $9.99 is a good model,  Itunes mp3 releases are $9.99 usually. Perhaps one could charge more for eco wallet or digipack cdr releases as the cost is more to manufacture.

Agree with them all except #10 as Im not sure what he means 

#6 is a stand out for me and is so prevalent in the ready made music world we can choice to live in and many do.

Thanks APK for putting this up.

Might help if I included a price.    $380

Another item I like to let forum musicians know about before it goes to ebay....Korg Wavedrum: $370, original box  etc....Thanks

Questions?....digitalvoices@mac.com






 

Korg WAVEDRUM demo with Geoffrey Brown.mp4

I just read the article.......what strikes me most is that hearing and listing to music is not the same as  data.  Scientific instruments read data and report back hard numerical facts.  WE are analog beings...carbon based.  WE hear with emotion!

'16 bits is enough to span the real hearing range with room to spare. It does not span the entire possible signal range of audio equipment.'
Leads to the question, why spend all that money on developing technology if no one can hear the difference? - easing the engineer's job as explained doesn't really make sense to me.

I agree...this makes no sense, also 16 bits is enough, enough like adequate...well adequate is not good enough.
 
"The primary reason to use 24 bits when recording is to prevent mistakes"....Ouch!  Is that what all the talented and creative audio engineers around the world tell there clients/artists.  A good engineer can handle headroom and digital clipping in any format.

Its been said that recording at 24/192 is the nearest digital technology has come to the quality of  recording to analog tape.  I ask myself what then is all this "wasted space" as the author of the piece puts it used for, apparently nothing as 16bits @ 44.1 will do.  Perhaps it is elements like tape saturation and certain types of distortion inherent in tape that have become the reasoning behind what is called "warmth"  in recordings made in the analog domain and that this quality can only be achieved in the digital domain with higher bit & sample rate......as well as improved sonic detail of course.

I'd be more concerned about people who dismiss this music, and who don't hear the magic in it.

This would be my concern as well.....actually there's not enough ratings generally.  Outside our small world most people if they know Brian Eno at all its probably in connection to Roxy Music and producing U2 

Quote from: Julio Di Benedetto on January 21, 2012, 07:33:19 PM

Personally the idea of listening/purchasing music that has had parts of its content removed to fit into a format for mobile listening and easy digital distribution does not do anything for me....thats like buying a sofa and cutting part of it off to fit through the front door.

Nice image...

...or trying a three seater in the shop and having a 2 seater delivered...

...or the sofa arriving with the bits of it the makers don't think you actually need removed to make it cheaper....

Even better put Seren......very Pythonesque

I think there is a difference....but its important to define what the "difference " is, and the difference is not necessarily better or worst.

To my ears its more like comparing analog recordings and digital recordings, analog being out of the box, no computers, recording and mixing to tape which has almost gone the same way as the dinosaurs, today.  Digital recordings are in the box, computer based Daw's.

IF you compared music recorded in the analog domain ie. music before computers and contemporary music there is a difference.  Words like "warmth" are are often used to describe analog tape based recordings and "brittle" or "harsh" is often levied against digital recordings.

Im using this to illustrate what I hear......Flac for me is like listen to analog, Mp3 is digital.

I imagine the difference is "lost" listening to and iPod on a speaker dock, but in a good listen environment I can hear the difference.