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I did have a look around ebay usa and found heatsinks that were even more expensive up to $150 for large ones......perhaps aluminum is more expensive this side of the atlantic .

The company I linked to has a 2 inch heigh extrusion but the price jumps to $98 for the size that would fit the bottom of the Macbook.

The way I see it.....New iMac 27" with good specs (SSD & Ram) $2500 +- or a $100 heatsink for a perfectly good 17" i7 Macbook Pro.

I will search around some more before I commit......thanks for all your help Tomas!

Because of the close quarters best to confront him and get it out in the open....it takes a fair bit of courage to be direct.  You could also inquire if things are all right with him in his world as you notice a difference recently, sort of being the caring co work, which Im sure you are.....this might get him to talk.  Perhaps others in office may have more insight....anyone he's friendly with that you could talk to.

Its horrible when you just cant walk away and there seems to be no other solution...good luck.

I was just over at the Spotted Peccary label website http://spottedpeccary.com checking out some of their great music and talented roster of artist and happen to click on the music buy option , i.e. cd or download format and was surprised to see such high download prices.

CD.....$13.98
MP3...$8.99
Flac...$11.98
Alac...$11.98
24bit.$15.98

What I am trying to figure out is the reasoning for this pricing structure, specifically the high res downloads..... almost $12 for a flac file and near $16 for 24bit file   $2 less the a physical cd or $2 more.

I love this label so understand Im not going after them and one can find some crazy pricing out there when you get into audiophile HD downloads sites.

Could the high price reflect addition storage cost for large file size?
Did the label have additional mastering cost to run a second pass, one @ 16bit for cd replication and another @ 24bit for HR download?
Is the pricing a deterrent to encourage more physical cd sales?
Is this a way to stay alive in a seemingly every shrinking ambient community? 

I think its great that they offer such a wide variety of formats yet Im must say there's some sticker shock involved.

Ok Tomas, makes sense.  I did replace the HD with SSD but not the dvd drive....most of the heat is from the middle back towards the lcd to the left where the thunderbolt, USB & Firewire ports are.   No heat on the button here.  The heat sink sounds interesting. Can you post a link or describe what you mean.  I did see a thermpak heat absorption pad that seemed decent but people said that once it got warmed up after a few hours of heavy use it just acted like a blanket and made matters worse.

drone on, with respect, please, a great effort has been made to construct a valid discussion about the possibilities of ambient now and in future.

If people disagree and get passionate about it more the better...bring it on.  When we are done we'll all go down the pub and have a beer or two but in the interim this needs to run its course.

Mr Griffin Sir.....I sense you are ready to release your dragons of reason...sorry, 4th season of Game of Thrones airs april 6th

I also suspect that we need to rethink *who* the consumers are in this genre. I assume the potential market for ambient music isn't college students who like to attend dance parties. It is probably composed of people who are collectors, audiophiles, and musicians themselves. So, finding ways to get more money from Spotify, for example, might not be the right kind of strategy for increasing the financial viability of ambient labels. But exploring other options, such as bundling digital downloads (available on purchase, as with BC) with purchases of the physical product, might be one solution that both embraces new technology while appealing to the collector mentality. I also think one solution is to focus on high-quality releases. Just because you can release something doesn't mean you should. Also, simply acknowledging that there are communities out there and embracing them can help a lot. I know people here have expressed their disdain for self-promotion. I can relate to that. But simply "knowing" who someone is--even via online platforms--makes them more human. And, at least for me, that makes me want to buy their work.

This is the sort of think for the future I like to see.......because ambient must look there.

I read recently through the hyprreal ambient emails I get that some weird label is ripping sound cloud music from artist and selling "meditation" compilation downloads on iTunes.  That is blatant theft.

Forrest & Chris......you guys are put forward some powerful concepts/truths and Im not sure how, or maybe I dont understand how it got a little out of hand but perhaps we can use some more ... , to be  make sure points are taken in the right way.  This is important what is being discussed and many will read it.

Quote from: Julio Di Benedetto on April 03, 2014, 06:38:04 AM

Ultimately if I want to promote the music I love and want to bring it to the attention of others I suppose I will have to live with any negative, unseen scenarios because the worst thing possible would be silence.

Wouldn't the worst thing possible would be being sued by Lars Ulrich?

Forrest

Forrest, from a non legal perspective James Hetfield scares me more

This thread has certainly got me think about the many issues at work here.

I dont think there is a solution to this....there is however evolution and as such we have no choice but to evolve or.......

It's sort of funny in a way, the last Youtube post I made here was "Disintegrating Loops #6" in the now playing thread  without a thought to anything we are discussing....it was just there. I did not think.

Should I have?

I will look for those videos Forrest...thanks

I feel the business models of the music world are long gone and maybe thats ok as they were very exclusionary.  Few had personal studios and pro studios or even semi pro were expensive and means of distribution were also very limited.

Today the opposite is true which has ultimate lead to a free music market place and one that few artist can survive on their creations. 

My personal music efforts are labors of love funded with the desire to share and Im under no delusion that the money I put into production and musical toys will be reimbursed  so to speak by music sales....it really does not change anything.  I think I can say "WE"...are driven by elements beyond finical gain.  I dont believe it is total motivating factor.  Certainly it is good to be recognized critically and also monetarily but the critical will fire up an artist and sustain him or her creativity much more than the money.....Ok I am delusional 

This past week, Sam at Projekt made me aware of a site that not only had links to my music that had been posted to youtube in video form, but also had stripped the music from the videos and made them available as MP3s.  The fidelity is of course not the same, but besides the rights issue, that's a problem, too, if you don't want to see your music being presented in a lo-fi fashion.

This really does illustrate  your point.....the rights issue and the lo fi aspect after all the precious time mixing and mastering.  That would make me rather