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I think it does sound like Eno if you want it to.....put it through some deep space verb and it sounds like Roach, well not really but you get the idea.  I bet this app was a spin off from the software for 77 million paintings and theres a certain phrasing to the app that reminds me of "Lux"
When the app boots it credits Eno with Synths, found sounds, Field recordings sound source for my own music, certainly not by itself.  I had it going in the background and play the matrix 12 with interesting results.

I will get some Scapes up for you to hear but really I think this is just something fun for everyone to play with and could be a source of maybe just inspiration.

Yes I will post some Scapes......good idea Tomas.  Actually running the ipad output through my studio reverb which is an Eventide Eclipse the Scape sounds incredible.  They still sound good unprocessed but do benefit from some additional space.  I ran one Scape last night form about 5.30pm to about 11.45 pm and every so often would add a new element or change the mood.  Amazing! 

You can also take snap shots of your Scapes for playback at another time but they cannot be edited any further. 

I hope ambient music fans with iPads download is an educational tool as well IMHO as you will be doing what musicians do with layering sounds and textures hands on without the need of really any musical skills except your ears. Just remember to check back in and support your favorite musicians.  ;)

FYI.....the full app has to be unlocked in the iPad settings which gives you quite alot more elements to use.  In the settings it says that this is not recommended I believe because it also gives you the chance to change the pitch and scale which could mess things up if your not musically minded.  I thought the video shown here was the prototype or perhaps the computer version as my Scape originally was not the same as the one in the video. Once unlocked it was the same.... Cant imagine why nothing was mentioned about this on the website.  Eno being Eno?

I put this topic here for maximum exposure as it could get lost in the gear or tech section of the forum.

What your laying out is a really interesting approach Bill......I could see different authors writing about various aspects of ambient music and still keep the historical timeline.  It certainly would easy the mammoth undertaking for one individual.  Sounds exciting....when will you begin ;)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Ambient music creation for everyone!
« on: August 17, 2013, 04:40:41 PM »

Thanks to Tomas Weiss (El culto) for posting the 80 minute Eno interview recently.   In it Eno mentioned a iPad app he had developed called Scape.  This is it.  It is quite amazing and I have been making scapes for a few weeks now, in fact I bought an iPad just because I wanted this app.  I often create a scape and just let it evolve instead of putting on music in the studio, change elements from time to time and.....well its just really fun, actually its just very ambient for anyone.  It does benefit to send the sound signal through some reverb/effects which may not be readily available to non musicians but as I have discovered theres lots of ways to do so within the iPad environment for a few $.

Do you remember when "Drum Machines" came out and human drummers could not get gigs anymore..... :o


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Geosonics ?
« on: August 17, 2013, 03:41:16 PM »
Not one to use field recordings but this is different.....seems they have made it very friendly and the examples sound really good mixed with the synth, but then maybe too easy.  Thanks for posting it Pete!

I think an American ambient history would be an interesting read and I sense there is quite a lot that is different in the evolution of ambient music on both sides of the atlantic.  Im not saying that there is better ambient music produced here, thats not the case but rather cultural and more importantly geographic inspired music that perhaps sets it apart for good of bad. 

Is there a direct line that can be traced from "the dawn of ambient music with....eno, (experts please chime in here fore historical accuracy) to its contemporary creation here in America 2013.  Most likely, yes, however I sense quite a departure in the music of Roach, Rich & Stearn's that seems to me to be a direct and unique reflection of our "space" that is this huge continent of vast beauty.

I realize Im not actually saying much because it could take a whole book to actually come to any conclusions

Yes Forrest.....Academia; wonderfully specific, geographical  & focused but can sometimes miss the big picture......still just going by Loren's imagery, the man seems somewhat unfortunately removed and thus missed a great opportunity to broaden his ambient perspective, or note.

Now I'll go and watch the youtube interview......just love speculation.

Seems to me if I were a electro ambient journalist/critic/fan with published writings and I was invited to another country to talk to a gathering of serious ambient fan and a handful of some of the best names in the genre hosted by probably the longest running radio show of electronic ambient music dare say it in the world,  I would do some home work.  I find it hard to believe Roach & Rich have not crossed the Atlantic with enough force to show up on this man's radar.  There was a history of american avant garde being openly excepted and support by cites in European countries.....Paris comes to mind.  Times may have changed over the years.   

Bravo Pete.......very excited for you! :)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: NY The New Audio Geeks
« on: August 09, 2013, 05:09:07 AM »
Interesting read Jim.......the one non myth that really struck me is this quote from the article copied below

"Experiments have shown that people can hear the difference between sources where one is just 0.2dB louder than the other and a trained mixing engineer can probably do better than that. The effect is one reason why the A&R staff at record labels insist on making masters as loud as possible a track that sounds louder on the radio will often fare better with audiences."

This fact that music, especially pop music has been made to be as loud as possible has actually destroyed the pleasures of listing to music.  By making the master as loud as can be the music gets distorted, and this is not tape distortion or subtle tube distortion that our ears like. Also by making everything loud the dynamics are severally altered where and instruments that may have been more desecrate in the original mix are know right up front. 

This is less of a concern for the ambient / electronic genres we love here but like most things there is a trickle down effect and with many ambient musicians, who are not mastering engineers, doing there own mastering with software presets designed with a modern approach, care needs to be taken.

So how does this effect the person sitting in front of their $10,000 audiophile system and that person with an iPod and ear buds......perhaps the ipod will not exhibit this problem and the audiophile's microscopic show every audio detail system will hear the nasty truth in all its glory.  I would expect it to be this way. 

As the quote states....."a track that sounds louder on the radio will often fare better with audiences." suggests that people dont care or perhaps to know to care in the first place and that slamming the music at the mastering stage potentially ruins it

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bvdub invasion...
« on: August 08, 2013, 06:50:52 PM »
Listened today to the bandcamp sound clips and Im liking it.....though 1minute or so soundbites dont really help to promote a new release but from what I could hear it should be a good.   

Rule out any cities along the south eastern Florida coast......not to say that there aren't ambient music fans and musician just no community per se. 

I think the community has be a virtual one for a while, like this forum and others.  It has become more of a global community with respected musicians collaborating on music who are continents away from each other.

There is no Nashville for ambient space music but the cities that Loren mentioned do seem to have more interest in things out side the "popular" Box.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: July 29, 2013, 06:33:40 PM »
Thanks for the info regarding Mobineko.

Was over at Juno Downloads.....some high ticket items there.  New Boards of Canada, Tomorrows Harvest, $22 + for a wav file album.  Warp records is charging $11.95 for the same BOC flac file and 14 and change for a cd.  I just feel my wallet is being used and abused.  I will pay the going rate for a cd, I know what they cost, but please don't try to push one over on me that a wav file deserves some sort of special price.  Its just a wave file, ones & zero's......breath.   I feel better now that I got that out.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: NY The New Audio Geeks
« on: July 29, 2013, 06:35:04 AM »
Yes Pete.....diminishing is the right word.  I did recently sell my Andromeda synth for twice what I paid for it in 2006 so its not all downhill.   

All of my master gear is sold except for 2 cables...Acoustic Zen balance inter connectors that go from my DAC to my monitors.  I had thoughts of selling them and did my own test between a pair of mogami cables and the Acoustic Zen cables.  The Acoustic Zen cables to describe what I heard is so subjective that perhaps it comes down to I liked them better.....well what did you like about them more than the mogami?  That is the question.  Perhaps it as silly as preferring vanilla ice-cream over chocolate.  Like I prefer my Lavry AD/DA converter over the conversion from my Metric Halo Box.  Is it better no.  It does cost twice as much.  Does the Lavry sound different, yes and its that difference that keeps me using them.

I got this impression from scanning the links you posted Jim.....opinions are all over the place. Need to read so more

There is a learning stage or better put you acquire over time an appreciation for what this gear does.  In good mastering rooms around the world you find names like McIntosh, Krell and Pass labs amps to name a few.  Audiophile cables and speakers like B&W, Revel and Thiel.   This gear does a serious job and is not for pleasure purposes.

Ultimately we use the best gear we can afford and gets the job done from the joys of listening to our favorite music to recording our next release!

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: July 29, 2013, 05:36:37 AM »
Thanks Taalem...... The Mobineko site is impressive.  Simple ftp uploading of files with good templates for photoshop and illustrator.  Quality is hard to determine yet they list the card stock used so thats good.  Have you used them?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Alesis Andromeda A6 FS
« on: July 28, 2013, 05:12:08 PM »

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: NY The New Audio Geeks
« on: July 28, 2013, 05:04:57 PM »
Utmost respect to you both but I care to differ on cables / inter connectors......without question I can hear the difference between $10 & $1000 wire.  I have had a decent amount of cables in this audiophile price range connected to an audiophile amp and audiophile speakers in my studio when it was setup for mastering and recording.  Good sound is good sound.....I prefer not to listen to mp3's....I can hear that something is missing.  Flac is fine! 

I was fortunate to grow up in a house in the UK where Quad was the hi fi system which I later persuaded my mum that she really did need and absconded it. 

Certainly this audiophile gear can get out of hand but like most things in life...the line of communication is want it to be received, in this case music, the way it was intended. Like sitting before the Berlin Philharmonic performing Beethoven's 9th symphony.

Now I'll go and read the article ;)......Love & Peace 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Remastering
« on: July 28, 2013, 04:11:08 PM »
Say you create this beautiful wood sculpture and your happy with it but its not quite its ready to be sanded, stained, lacquered and polished so that all the deep grain, subtle tones and inner glow that wood can have are expressed and the piece of art is experienced at its fullest potential....this is what a mastering engineer does except to music. It is very complexed and subtle, requires great ears,an acoustically treated room with often audiophile speakers, amps and cabling as well as specific types of equalizers and compressors and pristine converters to enable the mastering engineer to "look" inside the music.

Remastering can refer to where the music was produced for vinyl and needs to be prepared for a digital medium and unfortunately can lead to a modern approach of excessive distortion commonly found in current rock & pop music.  It can also refer to more of a revisiting of the music.  Perhaps Steve Roach's "Structures form Silence " is an example.....the original release and the Projekt remastered release where the music was readdressed for a reason.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bandcamp
« on: July 28, 2013, 03:25:20 PM »
If I could press 100 compact discs or maybe less I cd manufacturer that I know of will press less than 300. Thats cd's in digipak, artwork and all.  Cdr's are a different story  but it is not a format Im fond of.  So what does one do....satisfy my ego and press 300 cd's and sit on 2/3rd's or.....well there isn't an or there is however Bandcamp.   

I still love physical Cd's and will buy them.  Forrest's new release which Im really excited about should see all of those 300 discs sell for obvious reasons.

What if a person is  environmentally conscious an would like to have the choice not to add an addition carbon foot print.  It is on my mind when Im shopping for music.  Sometimes no download results in no sale.  Thats a loose loose situation.  Some labels will offer downloads but only mp3's, why not flac....if I want good audio I have to buy the cd.

I wish every artist could reach their audience in all musical formats that are desired, however the economics at work in this community are prohibitive.

Fantastic interview/lecture.......every time I image theres nothing more that could possible come out from his genius mind he delivers again.

Thanks for posting this Tomas!

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