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Messages - LNerell

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I am not against having some old instruments around, I still have my OBMx, its about 20 years old now, still going strong, still being used. But it has value to me like your Matrix 12 does to you. Things that don't have as much personal value, like my Prophet VS, which was a nice synth that I enjoyed, I had to weigh the advantages to the possible disadvantages of keeping it. I decided that I didn't enjoy the interface that much and with some parts now being unumtanium I decided it was maybe time to let it go. The Prophet 12 seemed like a good trade off, as it has some of the VS type sounds with more knobs and a more modern package. Hey and it has a warranty.  ;D

Anyway, I think I took exception to your subject title that analog isn't quite there yet, and your example to me was kind of strange as to why it isn't. The 4/8 voice was a quirky interim poly synth that wasn't quite there itself! And once the Prophet 5 showed the way, Tom dropped it and came out quickly with the OBX, and no one complained one bit back then.  ;)

And I have to say if contemporary analog isn't quite there yet, well it's a lot closer then it was just a couple years ago. So give it a couple of more years, you might be surprised.

Also, when I was at the NAMM show last January I was talking to Tom and the others at his booth, they basically told me, if you want to recreate an old 4 voice, to buy 4 SEM eurorack modules when they come out, that would be the quickest and easiest way to do it.

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Here you, a panel from Sweetwater with Roger Linn, Dave Smith, and Tom Oberheim. You can listen to Tom talk a bit about the SEM module in this discussion.

https://youtu.be/gWkDOeiDEYk

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I use to own all at one time three Oberheim 4 voice synths, so guess I had a 12 voice. ;D  I didn't watch the video but I've had extensive experience with all things Oberheim over the years including all variations of the SEM in all flavors. The SEM is a great module, and as Tom designed it, as an expander to an Arp 2600 or a mini Moog it is great. Putting a couple of them together is fun, more then 4 and you start to get headaches.  :o 

Have you ever noticed no one else has ever tried to duplicate the 4/8 voice? There is a reason for that. Basically its a pain in the ass to keep everything sounding the same. That's if that is what you are trying to do, and most people that is what they what they want with a poly analog. The programmer for the 4/8 voice was extremely limited, first you had to put all the modules to a default setting so they sounded about the same, that took about any hour. Then the parameters were very limited that the programmer controlled, so not a lot of variation. And then I think you could save maybe 8 sounds, god forbid anyone touched any of the knobs on those SEMs. I basically just forgot about the programmer and used the 4 SEMs as individual synths.

I didn't keep all three 4 voices very long as I already had a 2600, a mini moog, an OBXa, a Moog Modular, and two EMS Synthi A's, so I sold two of them and kept one.  All of that stuff is long gone now, was a lot of fun but I don't miss it much. Now, I go eurorack and if I needed a new poly analog I would probably get a Prophet 6, but I think the Prophet 12 is good enough for me for now.  I'm not interested anymore in having a synth museum. Just my 2 cents.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: New Toy for Studio
« on: July 13, 2015, 09:29:25 PM »
Nice !   8)
Be interesting to hear why you were attracted to this particular synth.

I have/had a Prophet VS which I enjoyed but being 30 years old it was getting on in years and was starting to show its age, with some parts being nearly impossible to replace now a days. The one thing I never liked all that much was the interface. I've played around with the P12 several times over the past couple of years since seeing one at the NAMM show, plus I like the interface a lot better. It has all the same sounds that the VS had and more, has more voices, more oscillators, more everything really. So, I traded my VS in a got the P12 instead, I think it has a lot more potential and will see a lot of use on my up coming projects.

Julio, the desktop version is a steal, but just doesn't compare to the keyboard version with all the knobs. I could see getting a desktop version for more voices or for maybe a live setup. I'm sure you can find one for a deal somewhere as I don't think they have been selling all that well.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / New Toy for Studio
« on: July 12, 2015, 02:30:49 PM »
I thought I would share this with everyone and maybe wake everyone up since nothing seems to happen here any more.  ;D I got a new synth this week, a Prophet 12. I haven't had much time to play with it much I am looking forward to giving it some time this summer. Here's a picture of it in the studio:

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 03, 2015, 10:51:33 AM »
I think for myself I would go the mixing desk route and use the computer as Forrest does, however it will require a major shuffling of gear.  I have worked at bring the audio production quality of my studio components up over the years and have reach its zenith all of which is focused on a 2 channel input daw system.  With a mixer Id want multi track recording capabilities which would mean more converters for example, so it will take quite bit of reconfiguring and solution thinking.

An analog mixer is going to add more grunge to your sound then any decent multi-channel converter will at this stage, most of them are pretty good these days I feel.

I just recently acquired a Soundcraft Ghost mixer and am having a go at using a mixer again instead of doing everything in the box. I have to say it's nice to have everything in front of you, but I still feel a bit compromised. I may still go back to running everything direct into the computer and using Logic as my mixer again. The main draw back going that route being you need a large interface, basically inputs for all your synths, as well as for your effects and outputs for those too. Also, you have to turn your computer on and boot up Logic if you want to work on anything.

Ok so here are a few things I would recommend and that you should be aware of if you are going to go the mixer route:

1. Get as many channels as you can afford. I have a 24 channel Ghost and a lot of gear, and I just don't have enough channels. I'm actually thinking about downsizing because of this.  :P :o ;D. Steve Roach has a 48 channel board in his studio and I can tell you he uses just about all of the channels.  If you have a lot of gear you'll need a lot of channels.

2. Get a board with as many aux sends as you can get. Stereo auxs are even better. My board has 8 auxs which is great but since the Ghost is an inline board and has basically 2 inputs not all the auxs go to the main input, some are dedicated to the secondary input which means they are not useful. I might in the future modify the board so that all the auxs are on the main channel but will have to wait. 

3. Be prepared to loose a lot of space in your studio. Boards take up a lot more room.

4. Boards require more cables, getting a board will more that double the amount of cables requiremented.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Recording music without a computer
« on: July 02, 2015, 11:53:48 AM »
Steve Roach uses the computer pretty much just as an audio recorder with some processing. 

I think most of the better stand alone multi-track recorders have been discontinued, most of the ones I see now are really extended field recorders. I know Mackie and Alesis made 24 track hard-disc recorders like this one, that you can pick up used really cheap now:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/msd/5091967033.html

Of course the big daddy pro one is the IZ Technology Radar that is still being made today:

http://www.izcorp.com/



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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Folktek Conduit
« on: June 25, 2015, 02:14:43 PM »
Let us know what you think of it when you get it.  :)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Solid State Logic Duendo Plugin Sale
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:59:41 AM »
Thanks for the heads up on the sale, but you forgot to mention where they are on sale. Is this everywhere or at a particular vendor? Thanks again.

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Glad that the troll was finally banned, way over due if you ask me.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Vinyl Reissues vs Originals
« on: April 25, 2015, 11:52:52 AM »
My first album Point of Arrival that I released on cassette back in 1986 was mixed to digital. When we released it on vinyl a few years ago we used those same digital masters, although I cleaned them up some for the new release. A lot of stuff as far back as the early 1980s was digitally mixed, and those mixes were used for cutting vinyl, it's not like its a new thing and I doubt anyone can hear the difference.

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Independent Music Reviews / Re: PDFs of Wind and Wire, the magazine
« on: March 10, 2015, 12:06:46 PM »
I have to say I miss both W & W, & E-Dition very much not to mention IE as well. I wish their was some alternative but this style of music just doesn't seem to have the fan base to support such an endeavor. I sometimes wonder how history will judge this music, or if will even last long enough for it to be remembered.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Alio Die on BC
« on: March 04, 2015, 12:18:54 AM »
Bandcamp does limit the number of times you can stream something.  I was streaming a Mick Chillage album last week; this week I tried to listen again, but I got a pop-up telling me to open my wallet.  I clicked "no thanks"; now when I hit play, the same pop-up window appears, and I can't stream it anymore.

They just started offering that in the last week or so. I think the number of times one can listen to an album are up to the person who puts it up on BC. So the down side is no more endless listens to a particular album, of course if you listen to said album several times then you probably should do the right thing and support the person. The upside is maybe labels like Projekt might start offering entire albums for preview.

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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Forrest Fang news
« on: February 24, 2015, 04:40:14 PM »
Forrest,

Really enjoying the tracks up on Bandcamp, great stuff. I can hardly wait to hear the entire album, congratulations on another masterpiece.  :)

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I will be there.
Nice! Maybe jump in for a short duo? Or not. Take a seat and chill out to Steve. I wonder what Steve has in store for us this year.  8)

I'll be there to chill out, their will be no duo with me.

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I will be there.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: RIP Edgar Froese
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:27:02 PM »
Even though his later music didn't touch me as much, his early work had a profound effect on me and changed my life forever. He will be missed.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: All the Best for 2015
« on: January 03, 2015, 02:16:08 PM »
Oh well, just one response, perhaps folk are not as enthusiastic about wishing each other a Happy New Year as they are in Caledonia  ;)

Sorry, we are all still recovering from our new years eve.  ;D

Happy new year.   :)

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Christmas greetings!!!
« on: December 27, 2014, 03:23:33 PM »
Happy F'ing Holidays everyone.  ;D


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Everything and Nothing / Re: My Mom, age 72, has a boyfriend! Ugh.....
« on: December 17, 2014, 02:19:17 PM »
I can understand your feelings but I can't really say anything that will make you feel better about it. You will just have to learn to live with it sorry to say. If it were my mom I think it would be better that after five years she find someone else and be happy then to be alone and miserable. I know that's how my mom felt after my father died.

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