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Everything and Nothing / Re: What does your partner do?
« on: February 12, 2009, 05:45:58 PM »
I'm currently unattached but my last girlfriend is a dancer. She's danced her way half way around the world and hasn't made it back.  :-\

Everything and Nothing / Re: Who do you look like?
« on: February 12, 2009, 09:47:54 AM »
I think Loren Nerell looks a bit like Mick Fleetwood.

That's not what Christine McVie & Stevie Nicks told me.  ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: February 11, 2009, 05:18:01 PM »
The compressor consist of many different sound shaping elements, such as filters etc, all together makes an complete compressor.

Compressors use filters? Time to go back and relearn what actually is an audio compressor:

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Jorge Reyes (R.I.P.)
« on: February 10, 2009, 01:52:31 PM »
Its been a day now since I heard the news and I am still in a state of shock. I had the pleasure of meeting Jorge back in the early 1990s at Steve Roach's house right after Suspended Memories had completed recording their first album. That weekend they performed together live in Steve's living room for an Echos living room concert, I think it might have been one of the first in that series. As Forest said he was a very polite and focused person with a dry sense of humor. He will be missed. Time now to break out all his LPs and CDs and relive some nice memories.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Strange multiple echoes?
« on: February 02, 2009, 07:02:42 PM »
Well I am not there so I can't say for sure, but just because you have all those things you mention in the room does not mean it still can't be coming from the room. It actually could be caused by any on those objects you mentioned themselves. The furniture, the rod that holds up the curtains, a piece of paper, a loose screen or window, even the vinyl siding outside. It doesn't really matter what it is, if the right frequency is produced any of those objects can vibrate sympathetically at any time.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Strange multiple echoes?
« on: February 01, 2009, 05:41:42 PM »
Sounds like a sympathetic vibration. Something in or just outside the room is vibrating that is causing your bell like sound.

Everything and Nothing / Up a creek without a delay?
« on: January 30, 2009, 11:16:00 AM »
This was sent to me by Steve Roach, too bad the dog is not included in the deal.  ;D

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach Starting Point ?
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:33:39 AM »
I highly doubt SR will ever release anything as a download, from what I know of his opinion on the subject.  Personally I don't like download only albums either. 

What about something released only as a podcast, any problems with that?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:22:29 AM »
"Redline Monitor makes mixes sound identical on speakers and headphones."

Has anyone of you tried this ???

From their page:

Its proprietary algorithm performs a sophisticated combination of filtering, frequency-dependent delaying, mid/side processing, and room simulation to create a convincing acoustic soundstage that allows you to properly localize sound sources.

I would never use it, it kind of defeats the purpose of mastering, you don't want to add anything to simulate what you might hear and to then make corrections, you want to actually hear it for real and then add corrections.

Most mastering engineers I know say the most important tools the mastering engineer has are their years of experience followed by the sound of the room he/she uses.

As for compression I don't think its really needed that much in most ambient music, maybe a bit of limiting to make sure their are no overs of the digtial signal. Compression is over used in most popular music, I think its best to stay away from it for the most part.

Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 22, 2009, 09:28:00 AM »
I have to say I don't see why U2 is being singled out here. If anyone is to blame its the artist Hiroshi Sugimoto, after all he should know what his art is being used for. And if he worked personally with 12k on the cover then he really has no excuse except for the fact that he was probably offered lots of money for the rights to do the U2 version.

Everything and Nothing / Re: 12K vs. U2
« on: January 21, 2009, 11:20:28 AM »

Great promotion - excellent marketing.

who said controversy doesn't sell.

The only problem is the article says that the 12k CD was a limited edition that has already sold out.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach Starting Point ?
« on: January 18, 2009, 11:35:47 AM »
Dreamtime Return was listed in this book 1000 Recordings to Hear Before You Die ( if that is of any help.

Everything and Nothing / Re: "I am NOT a number"
« on: January 17, 2009, 07:27:13 PM »
There's some discussion on Wikipedia of whether the Secret Agent (Danger Man) was the Prisoner or not.
I always assumed that he was. 
I learned last night that the episode "Living in Harmony" was not aired in the US until the late 90's, due to it's implications to anti-Vietnam-War stance. 

Be seeing you.  ;)

And you. ;)

I didn't say the character in Secret Agent was or wasn't the same one in The Prisoner. I have a book on the series, it says that Patrick was offered another year of Secret Agent but turned it down and offered to do what turned out to be the Prisoner. I also seem to remember the book saying something about Living in Harmony being banned for its use of drugs in the show. McGoohan said that he always wanted to do a Western so he indulged himself with Living in Harmony.

Everything and Nothing / Re: "I am NOT a number"
« on: January 16, 2009, 12:01:34 PM »
I loved that show, it blew me away upon first seeing as a kid back in the 1960s when it was shown as a summer replacement on CBS. I remember seeing it rebroadcast on PBS in the 1970s, after the end of each show a psychologist would come on and explain what had just happened. Of course Patrick McGoohan did several other things, including another 1960s classic called Secret Agent, a sort of James Bond type character which then lead to The Prisoner.

Everything and Nothing / Re: For Audiophiles Only!
« on: January 16, 2009, 11:54:03 AM »

Mike - I'd recommend the tube version of the HoleyStone to balance the attitude with some warmth.
I believe that Steve Roach used this model on the special-edition of his Early Man album.

Yes he used a prototype made from slate, but he went a step further and had the tube replaced with a quartz crystal to absorb even more negative energy. :D ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Kyma X (Do you still want to learn?)
« on: January 12, 2009, 01:56:07 PM »
Just a follow up, the new version called Pacarana is out now:

Everything and Nothing / Re: Organizing large music collections.
« on: January 12, 2009, 01:29:02 PM »
Swear to God, they're like Tribbles on super-tritacale.

Yes but they usually make a more pleasant sound, especially if you are a Klingon.  ;) ;D

I usually put my CDs in alphabetical order by artist, group, or region for my world music stuff. Compilations are at the end.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Eno on singing
« on: January 08, 2009, 03:54:48 PM »
So does this mean On Land was suppose to be the background to his acapella group?  ??? ;D

I had a brief conversation with Stephen Hill when he stopped by.  I remember him telling me that the success of more commercial releases such as those by John Boswell and the "Celtic Twilight" series helped to subsidize the releases on Fathom.  I doubt that there was any pressure placed by the HOS/Fathom label on Steve or Robert to commercialize their sound.

That is not what the artist on the label told me in conversation (I should point out this was not from just Steve & Robert I heard this, but from other artists as well). To be fair I think Stephen may remember it this way as from my understanding he was not the main person putting the pressure on the artists.

So I am curious, does anyone know the history behind this split in Hearts of Space, and was it prompted by complaints from the New Age listeners, or by the artists themselves, who were exploring the darker territories? It seems this shows a fundamental strangeness in the whole New Age movement, where the dark side of humanity and the universe is glossed over, or not acknowledged.

From my perspective which is admittedly pretty one sided (and 2nd or 3rd hand), it was pushed through by the Artists, particularly Roach and Rich, I think Sterns played a part as well. At the time the term New Age was already seeing a backlash in the media, so these artists wanted something that would differ them from Celtic harpists and other more New Age type HOS label mates.

The irony is from the birth of Fathom also came sort of its downfall, the Hearts O' Space Celtic music label (and another more pop oriented label called RGB). The Hearts O' Space label became over night the biggest seller in the HOS franchise, producing their first gold records. This success in turn then lead to some friction between the label and the Fathom artists. The label wanted the artists to produce music that would sell more product. But by this time it was actually too late as the whole ambient/chill room boom that had made this music some what popular had pretty much died, so sales were starting to tank for everyone. Not long after HOS sold out to a distributor, all that really remains is the HOS radio show.

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