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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Wonderful World of Gamelan
« on: August 06, 2008, 05:34:31 PM »
About the last question I asked  up there, about the birds chirping, what do you think?

"Also wanted to mention, was listening to Volume V of the series and on the first track there is an exquisitely beautiful passage where a distant tropical bird begins to sing, and it seems that this bird is working along with the music. Later, more birds join in, and maybe I am hallucinating, or it is wishful thinking, but it feels like the Gamelan is playing along with their cries, or vice versa! Have you ever noticed this phenomenon?"


Sorry I thought it was a rhetorical question. I haven't heard this CD but my feeling is you are hallucinating.  ;D  In a very tropical place like Java its hard to get away from the sounds of nature, especially where a gamelan is recorded. It's done in a special building called a pendopo, its open on three sides, usually made of marble, stone or other hard objects and has very high ceilings and gives it that kind of watery sound quality. Because of its openness birds, frogs and insects tend to use it as much as anyone else so they tend to become part of the sound fabric of these recordings. Here's a picture of a pendopo in one of the royal courts:



Of course this reminds me of some stories I have heard about the beginnings of gamelan. One being an early version of gamelan actually mimicked the sound of frogs. You can kind of get the idea if you listen to frogs in Java how this might be the case.

Years ago I made a recording at the Mangkunegaran royal court which from your discription has a simlar quality. Their were birds flying in and out of the pendopo during this performance and upon listening to the recording later on it added to the whole of the sound. Of course it has special meaning to me having been there at the time. As I type this I am in the process of dubbing all my field recordings that I did back in the 1990s from the original dat tapes they are on and putting them into my computer. I'll have to make sure I add that recording to my list of dubs for tomorrow. :)

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Forum members on emusic.com
« on: August 06, 2008, 03:58:48 PM »
Thanks for checking Rob. Their should be more up soon as I am in the process of releasing my first two cassette only albums as downloadable releases. Maybe by the end of this month my first album Point of Arrival will be ready for download.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Forum members on emusic.com
« on: August 06, 2008, 02:19:13 PM »
I believe my music is up there but I don't have a subscription so I can't check myself.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Wonderful World of Gamelan
« on: August 06, 2008, 11:46:38 AM »
Looks like this thread got lost in the fray, leaving these burning questions floating in mid air...

Loren, where are you?

I'm here.  :) I thought this thread got lost in the last forum meltdown, glad it didn't. And good to see one of Gordon's last posts, I had forgotten he had participated in this thread.

Quote from: 9dragons
Forgot to ask if you have heard this Gamelan of Central Java series...and if so, what do you think of it?

I have a few of these discs from this series, I seem to remember volume 2 & 4, and maybe volume 3. I'm not at home right now so I can't tell you which ones. Its been a while since I have listened to them but I seem to remember that they were pretty good.

Quote from: 9dragons
I have an interesting one of all wooden Gamelan (is the wooden stuff technically Gamelan?) called 'Between Heaven and Earth' which seems to be of the more speed metal Bali variety. But the wood is an amazing twist, quite enjoyable.

I have that recording although I don't remember much about it (I probably have hundreds of gamelan CDs) Its not wood but bamboo, and yes it is considered gamelan, its probably an ensemble called Jegog. I will check this when I get home.

Quote from: 9dragons
From Nonesuch, I have 'The Jasmine Isle' (Java), 'Gamelan of the Love God' (Bali) and a big comp by David Lewiston called 'Bali'.

David and Bob Brown were to two main guys recording music in Indonesia for Nonesuch back in the day. Since you like central Java gamelan so much you should pick up Bob's three recordings of royal court music of Java. All three are on Nonesuch, hopefully one of these days Nonesuch will release the 4th volume that Bob recorded, they've been sitting on it for 30 years now. Bob also recorded a couple of Balinese gamelan albums for Nonesuch which are worth having, actually 'Gamelan of the Love God' is one of Bob's.

David has one other CD you might want to pick up, its called Trance 2 and was released on Ellipsis Arts back in the mid 1990s. It comes in a CD-sized 64-page hardcover book.

Quote from: 9dragons
I think Volume II, 'Ceremonial Music' might be the Sektan Gamelan you mentioned. It is very deep and powered with intensely hypnotic drumming, and it seems from the background noise that it is a festival atmosphere...quite a wonderful and trance inducing recording.

Hmm, not sure if its Sektan from your discription. Their is only one drum in Sektan and its used only occationally. I'll dig that CD out when I get home and give it a listen. The background noise sounds right, when I recorded them their was a big festival going on all around, in my recordings you can hear these snaps that occur, which were whips that people were demonstrating. I just remembered their is a small example of Sektan on my CD Indonesian Soundscapes. The track is called Maulud Nabi Festival. If I remember its only a modal introduction as an entire piece would have been too long for that CD.

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I think this is the case of any musician in his/hers early phase, to focus more on the technology instead of develop your own talent and skill. I will not deny that I am in the same phase, I definitely do not use my current technology which I have access to to full extent.

If what you say is true (and I don't think it is, not the way you mean it) then you need to get out of this phase as quickly as possible. If you think Steve Roach and Robert Rich make their soundscapes by pushing presets you are dead wrong and are heading down a dead end path. Both of those artists make their own sounds from scratch. What you need to learn is the basics of synthesis, how a synthesizer works so you can make your own sounds. I would recommend getting a book or taking a class or maybe finding something on the web before taking another step.

Just about all the soft synths you mentioned can make very good ambient sounds. The reason most of those presets suck for ambient music is because most people who buy those synths don't make this kind of music, so the programmers make sounds that will help sell them. Once you know how synthesizers work you can make all kinds of interesting sounds with them. I've made some really interesting long evolving sounds using Absynth and FM7.

Hardware vs software synths, my take is they are just tools. They both have advantages and disadvantages, I tend to mainly use hardware but I also use software whenever it seems right. I know for a fact that Steve hardly ever uses softsynths, and Robert uses a couple of softsynths but mostly uses his hardware. In the end its really about ideas everything else should be their just to help you realize them. Good luck.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: GOT GEAR?
« on: July 21, 2008, 11:25:38 AM »
That just shows you how screwed up our health care is. I mean that should only have cost 22 copies of Komplete crossgrade.  ;D

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: first Oophoi vynil is out
« on: July 20, 2008, 10:46:25 PM »
Great looking album cover Gigi, you have a link where we can order it? And good to see on this forum again.  :)

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As Mike said an audio interface with more then two audio inputs, or a mixer with USB or firewire connection, something like M-Audio's NAV10 mixer. I would also add a midi interface with at least two midi in/outs for your two keyboards.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: GOT GEAR?
« on: July 17, 2008, 08:05:52 PM »
I'm still lusting over the Komplete + Kore combo that's going on right now - $999 for both.   


Let me dampen your lust for at least the Kore part. I had one and was never really that happy with it. It just never lived up to my expectations, half the features I bought it for never really worked the way I wanted it to. It seems now to be an excuse for you to spend money now buying presets from NI.  If anyone is interested its up on ebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/KORE-BY-NATIVE-INSTRUMENTS-WITH-KORE-2-SOFTWARE_W0QQitemZ300241946971QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300241946971&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318

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LN - There is a switch to either play the digital in line or the main UA-25 out. When the switch is on, I'm hearing the Yamaha (through the Edirol mixer).

You can disregard what I said earlier, I for some reason thought the Edirol mixer connected to your computer via USB or firewire, so I assumed their was a conflict with the audio interface.

As Mike said, your setup can work its just not very flexible.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Lustmord - Other
« on: July 16, 2008, 02:04:06 PM »
I always think it's an overstatement when people describe Lustmord as "evil" or even "scary" (I might go as far as "dark" or "spooky" or "sombre") especially considering that he seems such a good-natured guy.

I have to agree, I've gotten to know Brian over the years, he plays up a bit the "evil" "dark" images but its always with his tongue in cheek.

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First thing I would do is go into Audio MIDI Setup and make sure your Edirol mixer is showing up. I think the problem you are getting is your computer is setup for the audio interface while you are using the mixer instead. In Audio MIDI Setup you should be able to switch it. Also, I would recommend getting a dedicated midi interface and maybe selling the audio interface. You can get 4x4 midi interfaces for fairly cheap these days, that way you can plug both of your keyboards via midi into your mac and will have room to add more midi gear in the future.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: More on new wheels
« on: July 03, 2008, 01:35:12 PM »
Interesting thread as I have been considering doing the same thing. My difference, I've never really had any desire to drive a motorcycle, but my interest grew from sitting in rush hour traffic for up to two hours each way (30 mile drive) and watching motorcycles cutting through the mess while I just sit there. I figure it would cut my drive time each way to under an hour, would save on fuel costs and parking expenses (I have to pay $62 a month for my parking spot, motorcycles park for free).

You might want to reconsider your bike choice, at least at first. From what I have read most people recommend  buying a smaller used bike first as a learner. They say you will learn quicker on a smaller bike then on a large one. After you get a handle on riding then you can get your Harley.  ;D  Also, if you are commuting I would consider getting as much body protection as possible. Kevlar lined jackets & pants, body armor, not to mention a helmet.

Here's a website to check out:
http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/

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Everything and Nothing / Re: the concept of "the album"
« on: June 25, 2008, 03:03:08 PM »
Right not I'm listening to Temps Perdu? on my ipod through a nice little stereo setup at work (B&W monitors, NAD amp, all UCLA recording studio discards). Most of the time I listen to complete albums, sometimes on long roadtrips I will make a long playlist (hours long), takes me back to the days when I use to make compilation cassettes for such trips. The only time I use shuffle mode on the ipod is when I am driving to work and I have no idea what I want to listen to, and then I usually switch to an album once I hear something that peaks my interest. Just my two cents.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: frog sounds
« on: June 10, 2008, 08:27:07 AM »
I recorded some frogs when I was in Java back in 1992, that recording is included on my CD Indonesian Soundscapes. I'll see if I can find an excerpt to post later.

As everyone else said its a very nice recording, and yes it probably is the original ambient music. To me it sounds similar to the frogs on an old Folkways record that was released years ago.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Cluster
« on: May 21, 2008, 09:06:30 AM »
May 22 2008  8:00P CINESPIA at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery Los Angeles

Damn they are playing here tomorrow night and I have to record a recital. It also sounds like a very strange venue for this kind of music, unless the writer for the village voice booked the gig which would then make sense seeing as how he feels that ambient music is dead.  ;D

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Cluster
« on: May 20, 2008, 05:03:56 PM »
Are they doing a US tour or was it just a one off gig? I'd love to see them but Detroit is a little to far for me and my timemachine is in the shop at the moment.  ;D

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Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: May 18, 2008, 09:32:51 AM »
I wonder, what should be the appropriate reaction for a small record label, to a place like this:

http://faunigena.blogspot.com/


Here we are nearly five months later and apparently this blog is now gone. I guess enough people complained about it that it was shut down.

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Gordon's post where always well thought out and well meaning, you could tell he really loved this music. I always looked forward to reading his recent discoveries and enjoyed his conversations. Gordon you are already missed.  :'(

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: What's up with my one monitor speaker?
« on: April 28, 2008, 09:12:55 AM »
You might want to check to see if the treadmill is on the same circuit as your studio. If so then you should probably move the treadmill or your studio to another line as the motor from the treadmill is sending junk down the line and your monitors are picking it up.

I use to have the radio problem in my studio, back when all my wires were unbalanced. I suspect you studio is the same, only two wires per cable instead of three? If so then you need to switch to balanced cables which are designed for such problems.

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