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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: March 22, 2008, 08:58:37 PM »
More studio pics, this time Robert Rich's studio from about five years ago:




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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: 24/16bit Downloadable Loop Packs
« on: March 21, 2008, 10:33:59 AM »
I had great hope for BeOS back in the 1990s, what are you using that for these days James? I didn't know it was still around.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: 24/16bit Downloadable Loop Packs
« on: March 21, 2008, 10:01:16 AM »
What no Apple loops?  ;D I know, their's no pleasing some people.  :P  Good luck with this James, sounds like an interesting idea, maybe I should start selling some gamelan loops.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: State of the music business
« on: March 19, 2008, 01:22:20 PM »
Loren, thanks for looking more into the .iso format. Perhaps I'm not as idealistic about it as I was before.  It's frustrating that there is a standard and yet companies don't adhere to it even when they use that "standard".

That's not the problem, the problem is the ISO "standard" is not for audio CDs, the ISO standard is for CDroms. Actually their is a standard for redbook CDs called Disc Description Protocol (DDP), but its not the answer you are looking for as its mainly used for disc replication. Here's a discription of DDP:

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Disc Description Protocol (DDP) files are delivered as data on a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. The error correction employed on data discs is designed to be more robust than that of audio CDs. This ensures that the audio master that the plant gets will not have any errors in the data.

I don't think many if any cheap CD burning software (ie Toast, Nero, etc) supports it.

I've never heard any "jittering" either.

Jitter is a clock issue, the analog world equivilant would be wow and flutter to a lesser degree.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: State of the music business
« on: March 19, 2008, 11:45:02 AM »
Its not looking good for your ISO, when I did a google search asking what is ISO I came up with this:

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Going by the more restrictive definition, an "ISO" is created by copying an entire disc, from sector 0 to the end, into a file. Because the image file contains "cooked" 2048-byte sectors and nothing else, it isn't possible to store anything but a single data track in this fashion. Audio tracks, mixed-mode discs, CD+G, multisession, and other fancy formats can't be represented.


It seems most CD burning software have developed their own ways of working around this, but its not a standard as their are several variations. You can read the whole text here:

http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-whatiso.htmhttp://

Getting back to CDr vs CD, this just came up on one of the mastering forums I frequently visit. Someone complained that the replicated CDs he gets back from the plant sound better then the CDrs he burns at his studio. After doing a null test it appears that his CDrs are prone to have jitter when they are burned, producing a smeared sound compared to the replicated CDs.

Also t appears that 1x & 2x rates are not the ideal burn rates anymore, unless you have an old CD burner from the 1990s. These days CDs should be burned at half the max speed of the CD burner, that apparently is the optimal speed. Also it seems most prefer their blank CDrs to be Taiyo Yuden silver media, which they claim to get the best results from for audio.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: State of the music business
« on: March 15, 2008, 09:00:43 PM »
There's no difference in the 1's and 0's going onto the disc.   

Actually its not 1's and 0's, its dots and dashes, at least at the CD level. And that's where the problem lies, burning a disc too fast and the dashes look like dots and the dots are too small. At too slow a speed the dots become dashes. As the dye fades its harder to tell which is which.

Quote from: Vir Unis
I like what Johnny Greenwood (Radiohead) said about audio....

Sounds like the kind of thing I would expect from someone who's last disc when mastered was compressed so much that it sounds all distorted and flat.  :P I think he's just saying that so he doesn't have to pay for another pressing.  ;D

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Everything and Nothing / Re: State of the music business
« on: March 12, 2008, 09:56:09 AM »
when I was 15-25, I NEVER listened to the music my parents listened to.  No one could even imagine a party in 1979 where everyone was sitting around listening to Nat King Cole, Buck Owens, or Stan Getz.  I do now, but back then, no way.  We had our own music to listen to.

I can concur that, in fact I remember it going so far as you were identified by your favorite band.

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My experience of CDs is that both CDr and pressed CDs last equally well ... in fact I've had more trouble with pressed ones going bad in my collection.

My experience is 180 degrees different. Most of the bad discs I have bought over the years that no longer work are CDrs, including the few Atmos discs I own, and its not because of scratches its because the dye has faded over time. CDrs are more susceptible to UV damage, when I worked for Philips Media we tested this out. We burned two discs, one we put away out of the sun, the other we put in a window with the dye side exposed. After about a month you could see the difference, the color was not as bright as the control disc. And when we attempted to play them the exposed disc had many more errors then the one we didn't expose to the sun.

Quote from: Vir Unis
There is no real difference in audio quality due to the actual disc itself.  In fact, if anyone is sitting there straining to hear the supposed "differences" between the two then they are really missing out on the experience the music offers.  It's all about the mastering.

Not quite true, I have heard differences in burned and pressed CDs. The difference mainly being in the way the disc is burned. If you burn a disc at too fast a rate then you get more errors and a worse sound. If a disc is burned at an optimal rate then their should be no real difference. Of course mastering is important but has no relevance in a debate between the differences of CDrs and pressed CDs.

Personally I think if you are going to go to all the trouble of having discs burned and printed at a factory then why not go the whole way and have them pressed?

Of course the funny part is I am typing this in my new office which contains multiply CDr duplicators, along with some old cassette duplicators and some DAT recorders.  :P Anyone wants some copies made?  ;D

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PS If you are in the links section of the site and want to be updated, just let me know


You can start by updating my link to www.lorennerell.com. BTW impressive collection of CDs you have their.

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Too bad Laura Escudé and Kathie Talbot's set was plagued with technical glitches galore complete with incredibly poor graphics. They had so much potential and I loved Kathie's voice and her Louise Brooks bob hairdo.

I think the guy with the red laptop was doing graphics, not the best I have seen. It seems that Laura's new soundcard was the problem as it crashed on her once just before the show started. Then once they got started everything was distorted as well. After the second crash it seemed to work better. Hopefully next time they will have better luck.

Robert Rich had the right idea nixing laptops and sticking with his Korg's and MOTM modular. 

Robert did have a laptop running ableton live but he could still do stuff if his computer went down, unlike the two artists before him.

His set was by far the best of the three, too bad so many people split in the middle of it. Too trendy for the room I guess.

Yeah that was strange, except that most of the people who got up and left the room came back after the concert was over. I was sitting in the back next to the door so I saw everyone come back in. I guess they wanted to chat or something else.

It was a good show and I had a great time catching up with Robert and everyone afterwards, met some great people. I didn't get home until almost 2 am.  ;D

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Everything and Nothing / Re: What are your plans and goals in 2008?
« on: March 05, 2008, 12:54:41 AM »
Get a job. The rest I will think about once I can pay the bills. :(

Goal number one for 2008 has been achieved I am happy to say. I was officially hired today by my old alma mater. I am now a "recording technician" for the music department at UCLA. What that means is I am one of two guys who records all the concerts and recitals that occur in the music building.  :) Its only part-time but I found out that I might be able to make up extra hours by doing audio work for other departments, and their is the possibility that it might become full-time in the future. Another very rare bonus these days is it comes with full benefits.

Thanks to everyone who wished me well, and also to those who helped me out last December by taking some of my gear off my hands when I really needed the help.

Now, I think the next step is to start losing some weight.  ;D

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Is cable quality an issue when using digital signals?

Yes cable can make a difference with digital signals but in a different way then what this article is talking about.

Speakers are still (mostly) analog; does cheap wire make THAT much of a difference?  Or, as in the article, none at all?

I believe it can make a difference to a point. A local dealer gave me a demo which switched between a cheap generic speaker cable and a high end brands cheapest cable, price difference was around $100 between the two. When switching back and forth between them I could hear a difference. I have also heard major differences when I upgraded my studio cables a few years ago, but that mostly had to do with moving up to balanced cables from running mostly unbalanced cables before. The difference was their was much less noise in the signal chain.  Of course this kind of difference is not what this article is referring to.

So yes, cables can make a big difference. Having said that some of the mega expensive cables to me carry more voodoo then objective differences.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: March 03, 2008, 12:20:14 PM »
I forgot to mention my favorite Behringer product, the Behringer MIC2200 Ultragain Pro also known as the "fake tube" preamp. All the glow of tube electronics but none of the warmth.  ;D

http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: February 29, 2008, 07:36:00 PM »
The monitors are Behringer Truth B0231's. 

Behringer Truth, not thats an oxymoron if I have ever seen one.  ;D

Basically they are generic Mackie HR824's.  For $300, they are a great deal!

Great deal because they have no development costs to consider so they can sell stuff super cheap, as all they do is rip off other companies designs. True story, about a year ago I was on their job forum, of the 20 or so jobs they were advertising at the time 3/4 of them I kid you not were for photo copying.  ::)

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Ambient Sub-genres
« on: February 28, 2008, 11:48:52 AM »
Someone once called my music "gambient," a cross between gamelan and ambient.

Sandbient - ambient music made by sanders.
blandbient - I think this one is obvious.  ;D

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Favorite toys from when we were kids
« on: February 21, 2008, 12:36:46 PM »
Pong was fun, too.  When I bought a used Atari to use for music in the mid-90s, it came with a Pong disk, so I had to play it again, of course.

My Kurzweil 2500SX has pong on its display, does that count as a favorite toy?  ;D

I remember Major Matt Mason, use to have a bunch of that stuff. Same with hot wheels.
 
Forrest I use to enjoy playing all those games as well, did you ever play Risk? I use to play a version of it I called Pacifist Risk.  :o


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Everything and Nothing / Re: Favorite toys from when we were kids
« on: February 18, 2008, 12:19:38 PM »
Loren,

I think I recognize that cassette recorder. Isn't (or should I say wasn't) that a Craig? They had that distinctive "T" control, IIRC. A friend had one.

The one in the picture is a Philips machine but their were probably lots of copies. Mine looked just like it but I can't recall if it was a Philips or some other brand.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Favorite toys from when we were kids
« on: February 16, 2008, 12:09:33 PM »
These were two of my favorites as a kid:



The GI Joe Mercury space ship was probably my favorite xmas present ever. Its actually one of the few xmas presents I still remember getting as a kid.

Here's another pic:



This probably shows how much of a geek I am  and its not really a toy but looking back I had a lot of fun with it and its obviously made an impact on my life greater then in probably should have:

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Vinyl
« on: February 16, 2008, 11:55:14 AM »

No vinyl, but if you love the sound of analog, this Music for Insomniacs series was originally released on cassettes, I believe 7 of them, which included material beyond the 2 CD set on Enigma (which are among the most treasured CDs I own).

Was it a series? I only have one but that was enough for me, dreadful stuff. Personally I thought it should have been called Irritating Music that Will Make You An Insomniac;D I listened to the one cassette I have for the first time in about 15 years a few weeks ago and I put it way and probably won't listen to it again for another 15 years.  :P Its hardly an analog lovers dream as the sound sources were digital (fairlight samples and DX7 for the most part) plus cassettes don't really show off tape to its best unless you really like tape hiss.  ;D

The packaging was pretty interesting, it came in a cardboard box about twice as long as a cassette. The cassette was in one half of the box and was gold colored. In the other half was a deck of cards with Mark Mothersbaugh's picture on each card playing the different characters.

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Is it just me? I have a whole bunch of other 70's electronic music on vinyl hidden away (maybe a 1/3 of 600+ albums I guess - Krautrock and French electronic/jazz-rock) - I don't have a turntable anymore though. . . .

Lots of Klaus Schultz, Ashra, Far East Family Band, Stomu Yamashta, Egg, Pinhas/Heldon, J-M Kajdan, Zed, Cluster, Roedelius,Moebius, Gunter Scheckert(!?), Rother, Neu, Benoit Widemann (Excellent Stress!! and album called 3 I think -


Sounds like we have similar collections. I use to have alot of that stuff, still have quite a few around 400 - 600 LPs plus a few singles and bootlegs. I use to have a lot more, close to a thousand or more LPs, but I sold most of it off when I started buying CDs in the mid-1980s.

Eyeless Dreams (just found this - http://dueren.waldorfian.info/ - seems like you can download the tracks!) - very cold, glassy, metallic, Tangy krautrock


Yes you can download it for free which is very nice of Wolfgang. I quite liked that album at the time. I think it still holds up for berlin school type stuff.

Baumann-Koek (not The Baumann) which I thought was great anyway.


You must have been a customer of Archie Paterson of Eurock. :D I always wanted to hear that album but I could never get my hands on a copy. It seemed to come and go before I could save up to get it.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Looking for Krautrock
« on: February 12, 2008, 01:43:26 PM »
I'm not sure what it could be categorized as, but as far as the most amazing '70-'76 psych-sci-fi-cosmic-space-proto-punk-fantasy-cosmic-rock, Hawkwind has to take the crown.

Maybe but they were a British band so don't really qualify as Krautrock.  ;)

Here's a few Krautrock albums I would add to the list:

Can - Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Future Days.
Agitation Free - Malesch2nd, Last. I'd start with 2nd which I think is by far their best album.
Cluster - Zuckerzeit, Sowiesoso.
Ash Ra Tempel - New Age of earth, Inventions for electric Guitar. I never got into their earlier stuff, these two are considered transitional albums as they moved from the more pure freakout rock to more cosmic electronic sounds similar to Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze.

On a releated note some of Edgar Froese's early solo albums are worth a listen, Mainly Macular Transfer, Aqua, and my all time favorite Epsilon in Malaysian Pale. Their are tons more, I would have to dig through my collection for some more, maybe later.

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