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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: December 14, 2015, 07:20:43 PM »

That is one  8) controller.....I can see quite a few folks getting into logic just to have Alchemy and Nektar.  Im Still happy in Logic Pro 9 but the day will come.

I'm still running Logic 9 myself, and it works with it too. I haven't had a lot of time to dive into it yet as I am still dialing in the studio after the move to another room, most of my time is taken up with other parts of my house at the moment.

Now I have a quad system and the BluRay of DSotM with both the newer James Guthrie 5.1 and the original Alan Parsons Quad mix - and no pops or crackles.


You must have the Immersion Box Set (not related to Mr. Roach  ;D). I was thinking about getting that, is it worth it for the surround sound mixes?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Who is Sanjay Nadeem?
« on: December 14, 2015, 12:23:08 PM »
How does one remix a DAT tape... ???

Put it in a blender?  Maybe add some whine? ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: December 13, 2015, 06:18:12 PM »
I can understand the name Garage Band, the software is for beginners, most people when they first start bands they usually start in their garage. They also have an audio app for live performance called Mainstage, both names makes total sense to me. But who cares, its just a name, what comes out of any of that stuff is what matters.

Hard to know if you are imagining it or not. Early CDs that were reissues of old classic albums sounded different from region to region mostly because of the master tape  used at the time. What would happen is a master recording is made at the studio (I am talking analog tape here). After that the master tape was then copied several time. Due to the nature of analog tape if you make a copy of a copy the quality of the sound goes down. Some times several generation of copies were made which where then sent to different parts of the world where they would then make vinyl masters from those copies. When CDs first hit the market in the 1980s, they would take those same tapes and would use them to make the CDs. So, depending upon where the original master was  kept, one version of the CD would sound better then the rest.  As an example The Who's album Who's Next the US version was considered the best sounding CD at the time because the original master was used instead of a copy of it. On the opposite end Jethro Tull's album Aqualung, the original US version was considered one of the worst sound CDs issued because they used a copy of the master that was several generations below the original.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 30, 2015, 02:29:24 PM »

Loren Nerell just bought a Nektar and I have to say - I've been looking at Nektar's for a long time as well.  But I don't really use softsynths so ...  not high on my list.

I'm not a big softsynth user except for samplers. I bought the Nektar because of the direct integration with Logic. Since I sold off most of my keyboard synths (I still have quite a few rackmount ones) I thought it would be nice to have a controller with some knobs and stuff. Here's a video that shows how it works with the latest version of Logic 10.2:

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 29, 2015, 12:18:07 PM »

This was written by the plugin manufacture AudioDamage.

AND FINALLY: This is only semi-related. I've lately noticed a lot of people that use Live as their main DAW, and don't have Logic at all, who use the AU instead of the VST. All our recent products are built using Sonic Charge's Symbiosis compatibility layer, and the AU is just a VST with an extra layer of crap on top to make it act like an AU. With commercial plug-ins, it is very rare for the plug to be a true AU. Almost all commercial plugs use some sort of compatibility layer or wrapper to create the AU, and you are nearly always better off using the VST, given the choice between the two.

That's because they are using Symbiosis which as he says is a wrapper not a true port. Symbiosis is also buggy and has had general issues making AUs that are compatible. Using the AU template provide by Apple is a better way to go, but more work. If manufactures are using Symbiosis they are being lazy.

Also if you browse the forums with real world evidence please provide me the data which suggest AU (not made by apple) works better then VSTs ?

You are the one making the claim, not me. I love the internet, people make stupid claims as fact, then argue that when they are pointed out as stupid the burden of proof is on you.

edit: jkn - fixed the quote attributes for Loren.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 29, 2015, 10:33:26 AM »
Thanks for sharing VST are faster.  It sounds like I can't use VST with Logic.  How much slower are the AU's?

AU's being slower then VST's is total bullshit, there is no proof to this. I use AU's all the time with zero issues, they are just fine. Ekstasis is making that up because he doesn't like Apple products.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 28, 2015, 10:17:42 AM »
At this point I'm thinking possibly Logic, a Mac, VST,  a midi mixer/controller and a midi keyboard.

Just to be clear, Logic doesn't use VSTs, but AUs or Audio Units. They are basically the same thing, but if you buy any third party plugins make sure they make AUs. I think most do now but better to check first before spending any hard earned cash.

I most likely will start off simple and small and learn from there.  I kind of get the feeling like, I could buy a bunch of expensive stuff that I might not use and simply be overwhelmed.  Then forget about the important part, the enjoyment of creating music.

Smart move, learn what you have now, you can always add more when you feel the need. Good luck with your new creative path.  :)

To me the most important part of high resolution files are the bits, not the sample rate. Here's some science:

A 16 bit file has a possible 65,536 integer values per sample.
A 24 bit file has a possible 16,777,216 integer values per sample.

More integer values equals less quantization error which means a more accurate sample and a possible better sounding recording.

Loudness wars have to do with misguided thinking, that the louder the music is played the better it will sound on the radio. The idea being that anything that sounds louder will get your attention more. But with digital technology you have a brickwall that you can not go over, otherwise you get terrible distortion. So, the obvious answer to this stupid idea is to put everything at the max possible loudness. So now producers are asking mastering engineers to do this, which is quite easy to do with today's software. And of course engineers like to eat and buy new gear, so they do it.   

Hypnos News and Announcements / Re: Hypnos releases for 2015 ?
« on: November 17, 2015, 04:31:05 PM »
Are the Oophoi and Corbacho discs still coming out on Hypnos?

I think Hypnos was devoured by a Cthulhu monster.  ;)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Best DAW for Ambient Music 2015
« on: November 17, 2015, 11:29:28 AM »
As others have said, their is no perfect DAW for ambient music. I think finding something that works for yourself is what you need which depends upon how you like to work. All three of the previous DAWs you mentioned would work fine, and I also don't think Logic is that hard anymore, it's changed a lot over the years. I was a long time dedicated Cubase uer and then switched to Logic, it wasn't that hard of a switch. And yes you will need to use a Mac to run Logic. I think Logic still has a pretty good selection of plug ins and it's pretty cheap now. If you go that route you should also pick up a little app called Mainstage which has some editing software for the ESX24 sampler, not sure why its not in Logic and only in Mainstage but there you go.

As far as keyboards go, for touch I know a lot of film composer go for either the Doepfer LMK4+, or the old Yamaha kx88. For one that has integration with various DAWs check out Nektar's Panorama range, though I don't think they have an 88 key version yet.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Vinyl is really back
« on: November 04, 2015, 01:48:09 PM »
I have boxes of cassettes in my garage, I couldn't count how many I have. I know when I was doing fieldwork in Bali back in the 90s I bought hundreds of cassettes of  different gamelans, because they were so cheap, like a dollar each, and they were the only way to get them at the time.

I still around 500 LPs and maybe 30 singles on vinyl that I collected back in the 70s/80s, mostly stuff that never made it to CD. I haven't bought too much new though, I got Robert Rich's and Vidna Obmana's box sets on vinyl, that's about all of it.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Vinyl is really back
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:15:13 AM »
Ha!  At $59 dollars a shot I can see why stores might consider selling LPs again.

Yeah, whenever I see the prices of new records for sale now, I always think back to 20 years ago when everyone was complaining about pay $15 for a CD.   :D

Cassettes seem to be making a comeback as well, and they are going for stupid prices as well. $20 or more for new cassettes.

Welcome back, or since you have fans in Indonesia perhaps I should say Selamat Datang kembali.  ;D

His modular has grown as they all tend to do. Here's an article on his studio, which is about a year or so old now. I'm envious, wish I had such a nice space at his to work in:

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Forrest Fang news
« on: October 06, 2015, 11:19:22 AM »
Wow, great news Forrest, you are crank them out now.  ;D  Wish I could say the same thing, maybe once I get my studio moved I can get back to stuff myself.

I would suggest that it is a great way to get your music out there.

It's not, at least here in the States. It's setup here so that the big labels get to skim the money off the top and then the artists get a fraction of a penny for thousands of plays. Also, its terrible for small labels. I read an article about a small label that specialized in some obscure music. They put all their albums up on Spodify and sales tanked. So they pulled them off again and sales went back up. The conclusion was small time artist/labels are only screwing themselves if they use Spoidify.

Everything and Nothing / Re: ...a few thoughts on communities
« on: September 11, 2015, 02:04:55 PM »
Troubles... lemme see...  Lisa Franklin, the Anything Goes section and politics and having to ban people, the trolls that just wouldn't go away - holy cow (that's not that long ago).

But good Hypnos times... the infamous Haunted Stick, something about playing music with jars of jelly?, Jim Brenholts.

Yeah unfortunately Jim and a couple of other key members have passed away, and no one can make up for the giant hole those people left in their wake.

Lisa Franklin should be in the good Hypnos times.  ;D I thought that was more amusing then anything else. The Anything Goes section didn't bother me as I just ignored it and hardly ever went there, I bet it was a total pain for the admins though. To me the recent trolls were the worst, and I think they played a big part in driving a lot of folks away, at least recently.

Yes we are a bit of a clickly bunch, but many of us who are left have been on here for years now. I can understand your frustration, I went through similar feelings back in the early days of the internet with some early email groups I first joined. I forget the names but they were run by Matt Metlay and they were very clicky. That's just the nature of niche genres like this, I think also with the recent troll issues we had a lot of us are a bit shy now of new folks, so don't give up, we'll make some room for you.  ;)

Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: Home Music Server
« on: September 10, 2015, 09:02:14 AM »
I use the same as John, I rip everything to iTunes in ALAC format (Apples verson of FLAC). Then I can play them off of my Apple TV in my living room, or off my iphone or ipod. I don't think its a good a system as what you have, but it was more convient for me since I already had so much stuff in my iTunes folder for my ipod.

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