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As Mike said an audio interface with more then two audio inputs, or a mixer with USB or firewire connection, something like M-Audio's NAV10 mixer. I would also add a midi interface with at least two midi in/outs for your two keyboards.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: GOT GEAR?
« on: July 17, 2008, 08:05:52 PM »
I'm still lusting over the Komplete + Kore combo that's going on right now - $999 for both.   

Let me dampen your lust for at least the Kore part. I had one and was never really that happy with it. It just never lived up to my expectations, half the features I bought it for never really worked the way I wanted it to. It seems now to be an excuse for you to spend money now buying presets from NI.  If anyone is interested its up on ebay right now:


LN - There is a switch to either play the digital in line or the main UA-25 out. When the switch is on, I'm hearing the Yamaha (through the Edirol mixer).

You can disregard what I said earlier, I for some reason thought the Edirol mixer connected to your computer via USB or firewire, so I assumed their was a conflict with the audio interface.

As Mike said, your setup can work its just not very flexible.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Lustmord - Other
« on: July 16, 2008, 02:04:06 PM »
I always think it's an overstatement when people describe Lustmord as "evil" or even "scary" (I might go as far as "dark" or "spooky" or "sombre") especially considering that he seems such a good-natured guy.

I have to agree, I've gotten to know Brian over the years, he plays up a bit the "evil" "dark" images but its always with his tongue in cheek.

First thing I would do is go into Audio MIDI Setup and make sure your Edirol mixer is showing up. I think the problem you are getting is your computer is setup for the audio interface while you are using the mixer instead. In Audio MIDI Setup you should be able to switch it. Also, I would recommend getting a dedicated midi interface and maybe selling the audio interface. You can get 4x4 midi interfaces for fairly cheap these days, that way you can plug both of your keyboards via midi into your mac and will have room to add more midi gear in the future.

Everything and Nothing / Re: More on new wheels
« on: July 03, 2008, 01:35:12 PM »
Interesting thread as I have been considering doing the same thing. My difference, I've never really had any desire to drive a motorcycle, but my interest grew from sitting in rush hour traffic for up to two hours each way (30 mile drive) and watching motorcycles cutting through the mess while I just sit there. I figure it would cut my drive time each way to under an hour, would save on fuel costs and parking expenses (I have to pay $62 a month for my parking spot, motorcycles park for free).

You might want to reconsider your bike choice, at least at first. From what I have read most people recommend  buying a smaller used bike first as a learner. They say you will learn quicker on a smaller bike then on a large one. After you get a handle on riding then you can get your Harley.  ;D  Also, if you are commuting I would consider getting as much body protection as possible. Kevlar lined jackets & pants, body armor, not to mention a helmet.

Here's a website to check out:

Everything and Nothing / Re: the concept of "the album"
« on: June 25, 2008, 03:03:08 PM »
Right not I'm listening to Temps Perdu? on my ipod through a nice little stereo setup at work (B&W monitors, NAD amp, all UCLA recording studio discards). Most of the time I listen to complete albums, sometimes on long roadtrips I will make a long playlist (hours long), takes me back to the days when I use to make compilation cassettes for such trips. The only time I use shuffle mode on the ipod is when I am driving to work and I have no idea what I want to listen to, and then I usually switch to an album once I hear something that peaks my interest. Just my two cents.

Everything and Nothing / Re: frog sounds
« on: June 10, 2008, 08:27:07 AM »
I recorded some frogs when I was in Java back in 1992, that recording is included on my CD Indonesian Soundscapes. I'll see if I can find an excerpt to post later.

As everyone else said its a very nice recording, and yes it probably is the original ambient music. To me it sounds similar to the frogs on an old Folkways record that was released years ago.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Cluster
« on: May 21, 2008, 09:06:30 AM »
May 22 2008  8:00P CINESPIA at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery Los Angeles

Damn they are playing here tomorrow night and I have to record a recital. It also sounds like a very strange venue for this kind of music, unless the writer for the village voice booked the gig which would then make sense seeing as how he feels that ambient music is dead.  ;D

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Cluster
« on: May 20, 2008, 05:03:56 PM »
Are they doing a US tour or was it just a one off gig? I'd love to see them but Detroit is a little to far for me and my timemachine is in the shop at the moment.  ;D

Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: May 18, 2008, 09:32:51 AM »
I wonder, what should be the appropriate reaction for a small record label, to a place like this:

Here we are nearly five months later and apparently this blog is now gone. I guess enough people complained about it that it was shut down.

Gordon's post where always well thought out and well meaning, you could tell he really loved this music. I always looked forward to reading his recent discoveries and enjoyed his conversations. Gordon you are already missed.  :'(

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: What's up with my one monitor speaker?
« on: April 28, 2008, 09:12:55 AM »
You might want to check to see if the treadmill is on the same circuit as your studio. If so then you should probably move the treadmill or your studio to another line as the motor from the treadmill is sending junk down the line and your monitors are picking it up.

I use to have the radio problem in my studio, back when all my wires were unbalanced. I suspect you studio is the same, only two wires per cable instead of three? If so then you need to switch to balanced cables which are designed for such problems.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: 1000 True Fans
« on: April 22, 2008, 12:26:23 PM »
I have to agree, Robert is a best case scenario and does not represent the average artist in this genre which I think shows just how hard it is to make a living these days as a recording artist.

Everything and Nothing / RIP Bebe Barron
« on: April 20, 2008, 11:55:18 AM »
I just recieved this from composer Barry Schrader, most of you probably best know her for the music for the classic scifi film Forbidden Planet:

"It is with great sadness that I report the death of Bebe Barron on April 20, 2008 at the age of 82, of natural causes. Bebe was the last of the pioneering composers of classical studio electronic music. She was a close friend, an enthusiastic colleague, and a most gracious lady.

Bebe Barron was born Charlotte Wind in Minneapolis, on June 16, 1925. She received an MA in political science from the University of Minnesota, where she studied composition with Roque Cordero, and she also spent a year studying composition and ethnomusicology at the University of Mexico. In 1947 she moved to New York and, while working as a researcher for Time-Life, studied composition with Wallingford Reigger and Henry Cowell. That same year, she met and married Louis Barron (1920 - 1989). Shortly thereafter, the Barrons began their experiments with the recording and manipulation of sound material by means of a tape recorder that they received as a wedding gift. They created a private studio in New York and, in 1955, composed the first electronic music score for a commercial film, Forbidden Planet. In 1962 the Barrons moved to Los Angeles; they divorced in 1970. In 1973, Bebe married Leonard Neubauer, a screen writer. Bebe became the first Secretary of the Society for Electro-Acoustic Music in the United States (SEAMUS) in 1985, and also served on the Board of Directors. In 1997 Bebe was presented the SEAMUS Award for the Barrons life work in the field of electro-acoustic music. She is survived by her husband, Leonard, and her son, Adam."

Everything and Nothing / Re: new age voice
« on: April 14, 2008, 03:58:41 PM »
Bill, the only thing I assumed was you wouldn't take my question personal, I guess I was wrong.  :(

Everything and Nothing / Re: new age voice
« on: April 14, 2008, 09:26:57 AM »

I commented on this list at the time it was published, but FTR, the biggest problem I have is with artists who record in the genre itself being selected as judges. That is just wrong, IMO.

Why do you think this is wrong? The title of the article is The Most Influential Ambient Albums of All Time, I would think if anyone should have a say as to what has been an influence it should be the artists.

I think he's busy trying to find a new forum for the Fauni Gena people.  :P ;D

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Wonderful World of Gamelan
« on: April 05, 2008, 04:16:31 PM »
I'm enjoying the clips you posted, Loren. A few questions: Is this Balinese style? Why is are the musicians divided across the room?

Yes it is Baliese style. The musicians are divided to allow room for the dancers, music and dance are very much together and the dancers need to be close to communicate with the musicans.

I notice there are also women playing, in Gamelan are women traditionally allowed to play?

Well that is an interesting question and requires a complicated answer, but I will try to be short. In Bali the answer has mostly been no, but that is changing as more women have become interested in playing. Most people seem to think this has happened because of Western gamelan groups going to Bali and performing with mixed gender.  When I first started going to Bali I never saw women involved in gamelan music expect as dancers. Then about ten years ago I started seeing all women groups at temple festivals playing older styles of temple music. I've heard now their are some mixed groups so its changing. In Java women have traditionally performed but usually as singers or on specific instruments. I think that is also changing and I have seen some all women groups but not as many as in Bali.

Is Javanese Gamelan strictly Muslim (would these kinds of dancers be allowed to perform, etc...) How did Gamelan adjust to Indonesia becoming Muslim, was there an attempt made to eradicate it? I am assuming it was just too ingrained in Indonesian life for that to ever happen.

Yes you are correct, gamelan predates Islam in Indonesia by several hundred years. As far as I know no one tried to eradicate it as part of some strict muslim code, instead what actually happened was gamelan music was used to bring people to Islam. The story I was told was a very large in size version of a gamelan called Sektan Gamelan was made to be played inside the Mosque, people wanted to see the gamelan but where told they could only enter the Mosque if they were Muslim, so many people converted to Islam just to see the gamelan. That gamelan now plays outside the main Mosque for one week a year, I was fortunate enough to make some recordings of it back in 1994. I have some pictures of it on my website which you can see here:

Do some Middle Eastern music forms or influences play a role in the Javanese Gamelan...

Not that I am aware of, the only exception might be the rebab (2 string fiddle) which came from the Middle East and is part of the gamelan.

for that matter, have any outside musics been influential on Gamelan in history, because Gamelan strikes me as a wholly insular and completely native type of music

Some people have spectulated on several outside influences, ranging from African drumming to Beethoven! But none have really been proven. Its hard to prove because their are very few written records and the few that do exist are mostly recent or hardly make reference to origins of gamelan. Probably the oldest records of music in Indonesia are carvings of musicians on the Bororbudur, the worlds largest Budda stupa which was built in the 9th century. Most of those instruments appear to be string/harp like with only a few percussion instruments appearing in the carvings.

there is just nothing out there that sounds like it at is as if aliens came down to ancient Indonesia and left this music behind...

Yes this is generally true of most royal court music from Asia, and a great deal of gamelan music comes from that tradition. In fact most of the Central Java gamelan music you have been listening to is actually from the royal courts. Their are four royal courts in Central Java, after the Dutch took over the courts were not allowed to fight each other and were mostly disarmed. So, the theory goes they turned to the arts to conduct their battles, and the arts then took off and produced most of the classic central Java gamelan music and dance that we now know. This took place in the 14th/15th century.

As for other CDs of gamelan music. As Gordon mentioned the Nonsuch recordings are a good source. Their are three CDs of music from the four royal courts of Central Java (a fourth recording was made but never released). These were recording by my mentor Dr. Robert Brown, made mostly back in the 1960s/70s. Back in the 1990s King Records in Japan had a very interesting series of CDs which is worth looking for. JVC also released quite a few CDs of gamelan music back in the 1980s  along with some videos.

I'll talk about Balinese gamelan in more detail at a later date.

Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: April 05, 2008, 03:05:30 PM »
Ok I have invited them, that's if the comment is approved. I expect Mike you are right to a degree, I also expect that some could care less and just want the "free" music. We shall see if any of them come.

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