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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: December 15, 2008, 12:55:19 PM »
I'm at work and am working on a project that requires me to listen to some old radio broadcasts of classical music concerts. Right now I'm listening to Vaughan-Williams, Prokofiev, and Britten. Not really ambient but what's coming through the speakers at this moment.  :)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: December 13, 2008, 11:34:42 AM »
on a budget ?

lexicon Lxp5 or Lxp1 or Lxp15
Line 6 verbzilla

The LXP5 doesn't have reverb, at least mine doesn't. I've heard that the Alesis wedge is pretty decent and cheap too. If you can stretch your budget to around $300 then you can get the Sony R7, an excellent underrated reverb. I can tell you that Robert Rich, A Produce, and myself all use one if that makes any difference.

Roland sde 330 , sdx 330 , Fireworx .

Neither of those Rolands are reverbs (its the SRV-330 from that line), I have a Fireworx and I don't like the verb in that box for some reason.

The H8000 has no vst support and cant be used as a plugin but ive seen it used as a send effect in cubase sx via adat and its good for that.

The current H8000 is the H8000FW which also offered a firewire interface, but you are correct in that their is no plug-in support, maybe the H9000 will?  ;D BTW I stlll use all my hardware devices within my workstation software (Logic Studio) either via adat, spdif, or plan old analog, it works great.  :)

Everything and Nothing / Re: Natural Hallucinogens without drugs
« on: December 12, 2008, 11:20:36 AM »
This one actually works, looks like the whole space fabric is bending inwards:)
If you have more similar to share which produce other hallucinations please share.

I remember back in the early 1980s Omni magazine had something similar, it was a circular disk printed on one page, the idea was you cut it out and put it on your turntable and watched it, it pretty much did the same thing. Shrooms work better though.  ;D :P

Everything and Nothing / Re: Tinnitus
« on: December 09, 2008, 09:58:44 AM »
I also suffer from tinnitus for most of my life, I can remember having it as a kid. But my left ear has the most problems, starting about 6 years ago when I had a severe ear infection, the tinnitus has become more pronounced in that ear ever since. The strange thing is the pitch seems to change, some days its very low, on a good day its very high and hardly noticeable. I've also ruptured me left eardrum twice in my life which has added other problems like some frequencies easily distorting.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: November 27, 2008, 11:57:26 AM »
As I said, PCM70 is quite affordable, but I still skeptical for some reason... cause it is such a old product, would like to know how it compares to the newer Lexicon reverbs such as PCM96. And how come no reverbs above PCM90 is mention, why do they not sound as good when they are based on the same algorithms ?

Back about 5 years ago just before I bought my TC Reverb 4000 on ebay I bid on and won a Lexicon 300. The 300 was the budget version to their 480L, sort of like my 4000 is the budget version of TC's 6000. As I said I won the auction but the seller had no feedback and would not work with me on a third party arrangement like going through a broker, so I let it go and got the 4000 instead. I'm sure if I had gotten the 300 I would have been a very happy person. :)

These days if I were in the market for a Lexicon verb I would probably check out the PCM96. From the reviews I have read it has that signature Lexicon sound, and the real interesting part is it has a firewire connection and can be used like any plug-in in your DAW software.

As a side note if you were seriously interested in the H7600, I would check out the H8000FW instead, which also has firewire connections, although I am not sure if they have plug-in integration like the PMC96.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: November 25, 2008, 09:46:07 PM »
In theory I have never really understood why hardware should be better in then software, I mean if it is only mathematical algorithms, why would not software sound as good ? . . . .The only bad thing is that it consume a lot of cpu..but sounds very good.

In a way you answered your own question. Reverb is very complex and requires a lot of processing power to do correctly. Software versions on your computer have to compete with the OS, your recording software, other plug-ins, other instruments, etc. In a word most plug-in versions are dumbed down so they are usable in a DAW enviroment with other plug-ins.

Also I Lexicon has released a software version of their "legendary algorithms"  called "Pantheon LE" How does this really compare with the hardware versions ?

I have not used it myself but the "LE" in the name is telling. That usually stands for "Lite Edition," meaning not as complex. The PCM70 is the classic Lexicon verb but just about all of those boxes are 20 years old now and I understand some parts like the display are getting hard to find so make sure you get one with a good display.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: November 25, 2008, 11:17:55 AM »
I just wanted to say that I pretty much agree with everything Paul said except for this:
If you are after a great deep space reverb, then you should not look at Eventide, regardless of the preset name on the H7600.

Having used some of the higher end Eventide boxes, including an H8000 I would tend to disagree. I think the eventide verbs are very nice and I am not the only one. I know both Steve Roach and Robert Rich use them so they can't be all that bad, maybe not the end all of verbs but certainly up there with the great ones like the Lexicon's, who have made great reverbs for some time and sort of set the benchmark.

For me, I don't see the point in using outboard reverb units, when my 'studio' is almost totally
computer based. Factoring in the cost of the case, the PSU, circuit board etc., when it's just the
algorithm thats the important thing.

If all algorithms were the same then I would agree but they are not, some are better then others. In regards to plug-in reverbs compared to hardware I would go with a decent high end hardware box over any plug-in as none of the plug-in reverbs that I have used (with the exception of DSP based plug-ins like those in the powercore) don't even come close to sounding as good. I haven't tried the one you posted but I will download the demo later and give it a go and see if my mind can be changed.

As for convolution verbs, they do sound better then algo-plug-ins for the most part. The only problem I have with them is they are basically a snap shot in time; they seem to work better with acoustic instruments when trying to recreate a specific environment, but with electronic music where you might need to stretch out, create a new environment they generally fall flat.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Ergonomically speaking...
« on: November 21, 2008, 01:59:37 PM »
I will say that those mice with a trackball only for your thumb - holy cow those are evil!

I have to agree with you there, I had one of those my first year in grad school. After a few months of using it for several hours a day I would get shooting pains in my shoulder. It took about five years for the pains to completely go away after I stopped using it. That's really been about the only problems I have had, I still use a regular mouse and  don't really have any problems.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: I am trying to imagine...
« on: November 17, 2008, 05:00:53 PM »
Loren - that was darn fun to read.  I had no idea you worked for Oberheim.

Glad you enjoyed it. I worked for Oberheim in 1985-1986 right during that whole Matrix synth period. My main job was final testing for most of their gear. I probably got my hands on almost all of the Matrix 6, 6R, Xk, DMX, DX, and Prommers made during that time. I also assembled and tested midi upgrade kits for their DMX and OB8 machines and would once in awhile test Matrix 12's, Xpanders, and OB8's. Ive got lots of Oberheim stories I could tell.  :D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: I am trying to imagine...
« on: November 14, 2008, 11:21:43 AM »
Xpander is not the flagship, Xpander is the "module" version of the Matrix 12, in other words, without a keyboard.

The Matrix 6 or 6R is fairly similar to the Matrix 12, but with fewer oscillators (6 instead of 12). 

The only similariity the Matrix 6 and Matrix 12 have is the name Matrix, the 6 is a completely different animal. The 12 has VCO's while the 6 has DCO's. The 12 has many different filter types, the 6 has one. The 12 has several dedicated controllers to change perameters and several large LED displays, the 6 had two incrumental buttons and one small LED display. The 12 was hand made in the factory in Los Angeles, the 6 was machine made in a factory in Japan and then shipped to Oberheim for final testing and distribution. I should know, I was the one who tested all those damn keyboards and racks back when they were new.  :P

As far as lineage here is what I know:

Xpander came first, its a 6 voice synth with no keyboard. The Matrix 12 was released the following year and is basically two Xpanders with a keyboard.

The Matrix 6 family is made up of the 6 keyboard, the 6R rack version and the one space rack Matrix 1000.

Then their is the X family which is made up of the OBX, OBXa, and the OB8. Their was also the OBSX which was a simplified non programmable OBXa. The OBMx is not related and is probably the last real Oberheim, the OB12 was made by Viscount and is a POS that is in name only an Oberheim.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: I am trying to imagine...
« on: November 12, 2008, 02:33:13 PM »
Alright have read the articles now, brings some really interesting information

Alright adds these to my wish list :)

Oberheim - Xpander
Oberheim - Matrix
Lexicon - PCM-91
Lexicon - PCM-70
Eventide 4000
Eventide 3000
Korg Kaoss Pad
(did I miss something ?)

Steve Roach gray matter transfer?  :P ;D

Actually what you are missing is the point. You don't need to copy Steve's gear list, you need a better understanding of how he does what he does. A lot of people make this mistake with other artists that use technology, they think the technology is the key, but once they get the tools they are lost. The real answer is in how one uses these tools.

In a strange way I feel personally that I have been through the ruff times and am about to come out on the other side. I use to teach part-time at two community colleges and worked at a music store also part-time. About two years ago in one two week period I lost all three jobs. I ended up doing mostly temp work, and had eight different jobs and was on unemployment for four months during 2007. Near the beginning of this year I got my current job, a part-time position at a local university working as a recording technician in the music school.  And now it looks like within the next few months I will be going full-time. Itís been a hard road but I think I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

As far as how the bad economy has affected us here, we have felt it a bit but it has mostly to do with the state budget problems then anything else. Scheduled pay increases are on hold until further notice. We had to lay off one person in our department, their should be five of us but at this time their are only three, and with the up coming retirement of one individual we will be down to two, although this is only until we can hire two more people so it should only be for a short time period.

By the way, GM is planning to unveil an electric car in the next few years, if it is still a functioning company.

GM did that back in the 1990s here in California. They had a lot of interest, with long lines of people ready to take delivery of a Saturn EV. In response GM refused to sell anyone a car and would only lease them. They then bitched and moaned about the state mandate that required electric cars, and once the lease was up they then took every car back and destroyed them instead of selling them to their lease holders. They even pretty much gave up on hybrid technology when they were the world leaders. Because of this I have very little sympathy to GM and the other big three, they only thought about the short term and have pretty much driven themselves into a ditch.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: I am trying to imagine...
« on: November 11, 2008, 04:44:24 PM »
Just a follow up, here are a couple of articles that talk about how Steve works in the studio.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: I am trying to imagine...
« on: November 10, 2008, 10:57:59 AM »
Right now when I listen to Steve Roach's masterpiece album "Labyrinth" I really try to imagine what these soundworlds what sounds like WITHOUT the all the effects and reverbs etc, I am simply interested to know what the sourcesounds sounds like...75% of the sound is the expression of effects especially reverbs..

Asking Steve to produce his sound sources without effects is sort of like asking a fashion designer to put on a fashion show only in their underwear.  ;D As I said in that interview the way Steve works he treats the effects as part of the whole sound, so his tracks are recorded already with verb and other effects as part of the track, he doesn't add much later so it would be difficult to hear just the original sound sources.

I know he use kind of old analogue equipment that I imagine sounds very bad or nothing similar without heavy use of digital effects such as a good amount of reverb...

Bad sounds? I think maybe this was maybe a poor choice of words? Reverb can certainly help a sound but I don't think it can fix a bad sound. As they say garbage in, garbage out.


Each registered voter gets one ballot, with a code number and barcode on it, and it's mailed to your registration address.  Ballots are not accepted without a valid code number, and there is no way that more than one ballot with the same code number on it may be counted.

In Oregon how does one vote if they are homeless? Just wondering, I think its a valid question. Basically if it increases voter participation I am for it.

On the subject of early voting, we had it here in California, but their was only one voting place per county. So you had to drive to where ever the polls where and then you had to wait in line, Here in LA county it was at least a five hour wait to vote.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Concession speech = classy
« on: November 05, 2008, 10:07:55 AM »
I thought both speeches were very good. The way a hard fought campaign should end.

I went to vote on my way to work at 8:30 this morning. Only one person in line in front of me, but all of the voting stations where full which is unusual in itself. No big deal for me, in and out in ten minutes or less.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Intel vs AMD DAW
« on: November 02, 2008, 10:51:49 AM »
I don't condone Microsoft's advertising approach either, BUT at least they haven't just hired a cute guy and expect us to make our choice based on the fact that one guy is young and 'good looking' and the other guy is portly, older and a dag, like the mac ads.

For the record I didn't buy a mac because Apple has some young 'good looking' guy (that guy is good looking?) as a mac. I bought one because for what it does and how it works. Also that older 'dag' guy (whatever that means) is a fairly well known comic here in the states. He's been on a few TV shows (The Daily Show for one) and is known for playing those kinds of characters. Also, neither Microsoft or Apple "hired" those guys for their ads, they hired ad agencies who made the ads and then hired the talent.

Quote from: deepspace
It's just hard to make the switch- I'm just so used to PC and so many (present company excluded I HOPE) mac users are just can I put this...... let me put it this way: they think Photoshop is a game, and that golf online would be a brilliant idea, and their idea of great entertainment is putting up slideshows of themselves on holiday in the bahamas at dinner parties.

Isn't this basically the same thing that you were complaining about Apple's ad campaign above? You are making a judgment on a computer based upon who you perceive mac users are and not upon what the computer can do. I think its fine to use a PC for anything you want if it works for you, but your smugness towards a product is something you might want to reconsider.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Intel vs AMD DAW
« on: October 30, 2008, 12:15:44 PM »
Or one could argue that having XP and OSX on one system, by moving back and forth you can use the best of both worlds as needed.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Intel vs AMD DAW
« on: October 30, 2008, 11:21:52 AM »
I'm thinking of upgrading and going back to an Intel chip, probably a quad core.  And no, I'm not thinking of going mac. ;)

But Mac is Intel now.  ;D

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