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Everything and Nothing / Re: What are your plans and goals in 2008?
« on: February 09, 2008, 09:24:11 PM »
I've been moving my studio into a nice bright big room ... slowed everything down for me, but is now looking super functional.

Well when you finish the move please post pictures in the studo thread.  :D

As for me, still looking for work. Am hopeful as their are some great jobs that I applied for out there. Other then that hopping to release two solo CDs this year and some other stuff as well.  ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: February 08, 2008, 01:31:43 PM »
It looks like a plain old Target stepladder thing to me.

It looks like an ordinary $20 stepladder now, but paint some flames on it, add the word "tube" in its name and its now a $200 a "tubestompadder."  ;D

Everything and Nothing / Re: Utopia & Dystopia
« on: February 07, 2008, 07:58:26 PM »
I've never read a convincing description of a utopia that works, not even close; they always succeed by creating stratified classes.  And even Walden 2 is just a fantasy; it's never succeeded in the real world.

For Walden 2 to work you have to buy into Skinners notion that behaviorism is a complete system for behavior modification, not something that a lot of people do anymore. And if I remember correctly he even added some seeds of doubt that it will work in the book. Although I could be wrong as I read that book 25 years ago.

Have you read Aldous Huxley's book "Island" (no, that cheesy movie with the same name from a couple years ago is not based upon this book)? Probably the best of the utopia models although in the end Aldous made sure that it fails. Another good one is "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach. Seems rather relevant today.

"Brave New World" is perfect, as long as you take your Soma...

Aldous Huxley also wrote the distopia "Ape and Essence" a post W.W. 3 world. As you could expect its pretty dark.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Help the playwright do some research
« on: February 07, 2008, 03:30:29 PM »
I've got to agree (1" reel-to-reel, 16-track), but they probably would've scrapped together as much money as possible and gone into a studio, so 32 track is not out of the question.

I have to say 32 tracks is highly unlikely for a couple of reasons. Back then studios had 8 tracks or 16 tracks or 24 tracks. If you wanted more tracks you had to gang together machines and they were almost always of the same format. A studio that could do this (it required a lot of technical stuff to do and in the process meant you lost 2 tracks per deck to get them to sync) usually had enough money for 24 tracks. So if more then 24 tracks were required then you usually ganged two 24 tracks together giving you 44 tracks. Ganging two 16 tracks together gave you only 28 tracks so in most cases you would move to a 24 track machine instead.

Another reason, these studios were expensive. I've been in a lot of LA studios back in the 1980s from some of the biggest to the smallest, and only the big studios were setup to do multiple machines at a time. And these studios where $150+ an hour in 1980s money. Compare that to 16 track studios which cost between $25-50 an hour. And 8 tracks were even cheaper.  ;D

Also the cost of tape, 2" reels cost about $100 and you got about 15 minutes of time. Ganging two of these machines together meant 200 bucks ber song just in tape alone, a standard album length project could easly cost $2000 just for the tape. 1" tape was about half the cost and 1/2" was about half of that.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Help the playwright do some research
« on: February 07, 2008, 12:26:16 PM »
I'm picturing one of those 8 track Foster reel to reel things that Loren and Forrest probably did a bunch of recordings on at some point... they were sort of the budget studio precursor to the ADAT.

Yeah I recorded a few things on that make of Fostex, mostly Djam Karet's 2nd and 3rd albums because they bought one and wanted to record in their rehearsal studio instead of in a proper studio. They were the budget machine and didn't sound that great. Small tape witdth and slow speed meant lack of bass and no real highs. The studios I worked out of had a 1/2" 8 track or a 1" 16 track with dbx noise reduction. Much better quality but cost quite a bit more to buy at the time.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Help the playwright do some research
« on: February 07, 2008, 12:20:01 PM »
I worked in studios just like this back in the early 1980s. I would say 1" 16 track machine would be the top and probably a luxury for most small local labels. Most small time bands recorded on 1/2" or even 1/4" 8 track machines. Here's a pic of what I use to record on:

I still have that machine, its sitting unused in my garage. Mixing was probably to 1/4" two track reel-to-reel or maybe an old PCM F1 recorder which recorded everything to a video tape. Here's a picture of a PCM F1 with matching video deck:

Everything and Nothing / Re: The Bowed Piano
« on: February 06, 2008, 08:37:28 PM »
I heard a feature this morning on NPR's Morning Edition about a bowed piano.

"To get a sense of what the bowed piano is, imagine a grand piano with the lid lifted off. Ten musicians crowd around, leaning over the innards of the instrument, like a team of surgeons performing an operation."

Link to article and sound clips:

Saw him and his "surgeons" do this in 1987. Lovely stuff, though at that time heavily indebted to Steve Reich. Thanks for this! Will revisit!

Same here, I saw Stephen Scott's ensemble at a new music festival here in Los Angeles back in 1985. Just last week I pulled out an old LP of his music and gave it a spin. Nice stuff.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Tools for rhythm-making
« on: February 04, 2008, 04:20:51 PM »
I knew a bunch of wise guys would say "I actually play real drums with my hands."  ;)

I wasn't trying to be a wise guy, just stating how I work.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Your first Recording ever?
« on: February 04, 2008, 04:12:17 PM »
70s, classical guitar on reel to reel. Yep, for many years all I played was classical guitar.

My first recordings were probably me learning to play trumpet in the 5th grade way back in the mid 1970s, no good reason to go there.  :P ;D

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Tools for rhythm-making
« on: February 02, 2008, 07:25:53 PM »
My hands, I record myself playing my drums and gamelan instruments and edit out the best parts, then I make Apple loops out of them. Sometimes I will process them first to make them sound more synthetic if that's the sound I am after. Feed them into logic and start working on the rest.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: February 02, 2008, 12:37:24 AM »
I just ran across these photos today of Steve Roach's studio taken about two years ago. A lot of things have already changed in the Timeroom since I took these pics.

Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: February 01, 2008, 01:26:37 PM »
Unfortunately a Russian site currently sees fit to reproduce a portrait of Fred Frith I did that they hacked from a legit site. It's just a thumbnail but the practice is widespread.

Don't even get me started on the Russian sites, their are a ton of pay to download mp3 sites which are selling all of us artists music for download, none of which we ever see a penny of.  Try going to and typing in an artists name and see what pops up. They have nearly all of my albums up for download and for way less then what you would pay on iTunes. They even have things that I have never released on iTunes such as tracks off my first two cassette only releases.

Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: January 30, 2008, 06:09:59 PM »

To play devil's advocate for a moment, just for fun, a fairly good argument could be made that virtually all of the people who downloaded it would never have purchased it, even if the tracks had never been available for download from any source.

Sorry Mike I don't buy that (pun intended).  ;D

Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: January 30, 2008, 05:40:45 PM »
If my initial post comes across as whiny,  I should clarify that I really meant this in more of a general "what should a small label do?"

And if I came across as whiny, well then I am.  ;D

Sorry but this has been a petpeeve of mine since about two weeks after Terraform was released when I found that CD on a bittorrent site that listed it being downloaded more times that first two weeks of its release then we have sold of the CD in now almost two years.

Everything and Nothing / Re: What should a small record label do?
« on: January 30, 2008, 04:32:20 PM »
Today, this blog is linking to downloads at 320kbps quality, of a couple of Hypnos CDs that we sell for $8.99.  I do understand the argument that sometimes, people hear something they've downloaded or reeived for free, and they like it so much they end up buying it.  I also understand that many who download it and listen, would never have purchased the CD in the first place, so in such cases there is no "cost" of a lost sale.

No excuse, they could post excerpts if that were their main goal. But to post entire CDs in mp3 format of the highest quality is rediculous. I suggest you do what I do whenever this comes up, first off you complain to Rapdishare or Megaupload or any other sites that they are using to host their downloads that they are offering copywritten material for download. These sites then have to take down the material and most will within 24 hours. Second, complain to the blogger site about this blog is being used for the purpose of illegal downloads, it will also be shut down. Personally I find most of these people are total scumbags and should be slapped upside the head, especially when they do this to small boutique labels like Hypnos or Soleilmoon.  >:(

Everything and Nothing / Re: Vinyl
« on: January 28, 2008, 07:13:53 PM »
My bass player in my first band had something like that.   Interestingly - it could stand straight up and still play.   

Yep he probably had the same player, it holds your record vertically instead of horizontally like most record players do. One draw back was if the record you were playing was warped at all it would bang against the sides of the player and create a very loud rumble effect. It could be quite annoying with quieter music like ambient type stuff.  :o Yeah another strike against putting this type of music on LP all be it a very limited one.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Vinyl
« on: January 28, 2008, 01:40:02 PM »
For the listener as well the attention span remains throughout the complete listening session, not mentioning the fact that you've to get up and flip the record to listen to the 2nd side.  This all contributes to a much more lively listening experience.

Not all of us had to get up to flip a record over. For years my turntable of choice was this player:

It has two sets of arms and when one side was done it would automatically start playing the other side of the disc. It was a great conversation piece in its time.  ;D I still have it but it doesn't work anymore.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Alesis Andromeda----Worth the Effort???
« on: January 27, 2008, 04:49:18 PM »
I've been checking these guys out for awhile, but I'm also of the school where its better to have a limited synth you know back and forth than a monster you can't tame.

Not sure what you mean here, you want something simple over complex is that what you mean?

As for the Andromeda it didn't really do much for me but then again I already have similar synths in my studio and haven't lusted after a big poly analog synth for a long time now. It does have plenty of fans though. I say go check it out and see if you like it.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: How do you record?
« on: January 27, 2008, 01:13:31 AM »
The hopeful news Loren is that this was a merger VS a buyout / takeover. TC still retains their autonomy. Maybe this means we will finally see the resurrection of Oberheim in a Powercore softsynth version.

Talk to Chris Halaby formly of Opcode about megers and Gibson, and why would I want a softsynth imitation of my Oberheim? I thought the OB12, B3 organ imitations and grand piano that Gibson put out under the Oberheim banner was bad enough. :(

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: How do you record?
« on: January 25, 2008, 11:28:22 PM »
In that price range I would look at the Presonus or better yet the TC Konect.

Yeah the new Konect 48 is suppose to be pretty cool. Get one now before Gibson bleeds TC dry and you can't get anything from them anymore.

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