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I had a brief conversation with Stephen Hill when he stopped by.  I remember him telling me that the success of more commercial releases such as those by John Boswell and the "Celtic Twilight" series helped to subsidize the releases on Fathom.  I doubt that there was any pressure placed by the HOS/Fathom label on Steve or Robert to commercialize their sound.

That is not what the artist on the label told me in conversation (I should point out this was not from just Steve & Robert I heard this, but from other artists as well). To be fair I think Stephen may remember it this way as from my understanding he was not the main person putting the pressure on the artists.

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So I am curious, does anyone know the history behind this split in Hearts of Space, and was it prompted by complaints from the New Age listeners, or by the artists themselves, who were exploring the darker territories? It seems this shows a fundamental strangeness in the whole New Age movement, where the dark side of humanity and the universe is glossed over, or not acknowledged.

From my perspective which is admittedly pretty one sided (and 2nd or 3rd hand), it was pushed through by the Artists, particularly Roach and Rich, I think Sterns played a part as well. At the time the term New Age was already seeing a backlash in the media, so these artists wanted something that would differ them from Celtic harpists and other more New Age type HOS label mates.

The irony is from the birth of Fathom also came sort of its downfall, the Hearts O' Space Celtic music label (and another more pop oriented label called RGB). The Hearts O' Space label became over night the biggest seller in the HOS franchise, producing their first gold records. This success in turn then lead to some friction between the label and the Fathom artists. The label wanted the artists to produce music that would sell more product. But by this time it was actually too late as the whole ambient/chill room boom that had made this music some what popular had pretty much died, so sales were starting to tank for everyone. Not long after HOS sold out to a distributor, all that really remains is the HOS radio show.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Are you Synaesthetic? (test here)
« on: January 08, 2009, 10:13:42 AM »
A complete zero for me on the synaesthetic test as well. I've always thought synesthesia was over hyped.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Facebook vs. Myspace
« on: January 06, 2009, 09:23:05 AM »
It is, after all, a tool used by the CIA

Funny, now that you mention it most of my Facebook friends are from the California Institute of the Arts.  ;D

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Everything and Nothing / Re: CD-R Deterioration
« on: January 04, 2009, 11:52:34 AM »
I use dBpoweramp to rip.  It uses the Accuraterip database and C1 error reporting from the CD/DVD-ROM among other things to produce a precise copy of the music files. . . . . I placed the Baghiri disc in my crappy home stereo CD player, and it seemed fine.

Do you have access to another CD/DVD-ROM that can rip your discs? I'm wondering if you current DVDrom is the problem and not the discs themselves, especially if they play fine in your regular CD player. If the laser is going bad you would probably get lots of errors, using a different DVDrom device to rip with would probably eliminate one or the other.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Facebook vs. Myspace
« on: January 03, 2009, 11:52:09 AM »
I'm on both. Facebook for me is more actual "friends" oriented, while MySpace is more of a way to expose my muisc. I've heard some people say that Facebook is better for posting events and such then MySpace.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Where are they now? another edition
« on: December 25, 2008, 11:57:13 AM »
A Produce (his last release was the 3-disc career retrospective)

Barry and I have been working on an album together for over a year now. We took a long break but are now back at it, about every other week or so.

Ruben Garcia (got a nice email from him after reviewing his career retro. CD; that was a few years ago)

I have a preliminary copy of a new album from Ruben called Through The Looking Glass. I imagine it will be out next year some time.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Kyma X (Do you still want to learn?)
« on: December 21, 2008, 11:29:11 AM »
Harry,

Did you buy the used one yet? You might want to hold off as Symbolic is suppose to be releasing a new version very soon that is much more powerful and doesn't require pci cards anymore and is cheaper. I've thought about getting into one myself but they have always been just out of reach for me.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: What music is
« on: December 18, 2008, 11:59:23 AM »
There is a discussion going on on the Wiard forum about what music is and if the classification music is unfair to what we do.

From my experience with the Wiard group forum I would expect the consensus answer to this question would be "whatever Grant Richter says is music."  ;D :P

I also like Gary's discription of music. Gary's been on the edge of this music for nearly 30 years and I had the pleasure of hearing Gary do a wonderful piece live on his massive Wiard system last year that I think just about anyone here would love. Here's a little known fact, Steve Roach's Structures From Silence was mixed at Gary's studio way back in the 1980's.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: 2008 winter weather
« on: December 18, 2008, 11:47:22 AM »
Yesterday, there was snow in San Francisco, which was downright bizarre. 

I can report that we also had snow in parts of Los Angeles yesterday as well, very unusual. Not where I live but it nearly got cold enough here to snow as well. Our high was 50F, but once the rain started the temperatures dropped and by mid afternoon were in the low 40s.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: December 16, 2008, 11:38:42 AM »
That sounds interesting Loren.  Are you willing to reveal any more info about your project?

Yeah its no big deal. The schools conductor (I work at UCLA) is up for tenure, so I'm dubbing a bunch of recordings of concerts he's conducted over the years to show what's he's done. Most of them are on cassette and go back to the 1980s. Oh, the Vaughan-Williams piece was Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas  Tallis.

Right now I'm listening to the very first field recording I ever made. A recording I did in Guatemala in 1972 of a cheesy marimba band at a hotel I was staying.  :D

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: December 15, 2008, 12:55:19 PM »
I'm at work and am working on a project that requires me to listen to some old radio broadcasts of classical music concerts. Right now I'm listening to Vaughan-Williams, Prokofiev, and Britten. Not really ambient but what's coming through the speakers at this moment.  :)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: December 13, 2008, 11:34:42 AM »
on a budget ?

lexicon Lxp5 or Lxp1 or Lxp15
Line 6 verbzilla

The LXP5 doesn't have reverb, at least mine doesn't. I've heard that the Alesis wedge is pretty decent and cheap too. If you can stretch your budget to around $300 then you can get the Sony R7, an excellent underrated reverb. I can tell you that Robert Rich, A Produce, and myself all use one if that makes any difference.

Roland sde 330 , sdx 330 , Fireworx .

Neither of those Rolands are reverbs (its the SRV-330 from that line), I have a Fireworx and I don't like the verb in that box for some reason.

The H8000 has no vst support and cant be used as a plugin but ive seen it used as a send effect in cubase sx via adat and its good for that.

The current H8000 is the H8000FW which also offered a firewire interface, but you are correct in that their is no plug-in support, maybe the H9000 will?  ;D BTW I stlll use all my hardware devices within my workstation software (Logic Studio) either via adat, spdif, or plan old analog, it works great.  :)

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Natural Hallucinogens without drugs
« on: December 12, 2008, 11:20:36 AM »
This one actually works, looks like the whole space fabric is bending inwards:)
If you have more similar to share which produce other hallucinations please share.



I remember back in the early 1980s Omni magazine had something similar, it was a circular disk printed on one page, the idea was you cut it out and put it on your turntable and watched it, it pretty much did the same thing. Shrooms work better though.  ;D :P

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Tinnitus
« on: December 09, 2008, 09:58:44 AM »
I also suffer from tinnitus for most of my life, I can remember having it as a kid. But my left ear has the most problems, starting about 6 years ago when I had a severe ear infection, the tinnitus has become more pronounced in that ear ever since. The strange thing is the pitch seems to change, some days its very low, on a good day its very high and hardly noticeable. I've also ruptured me left eardrum twice in my life which has added other problems like some frequencies easily distorting.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: November 27, 2008, 11:57:26 AM »
As I said, PCM70 is quite affordable, but I still skeptical for some reason... cause it is such a old product, would like to know how it compares to the newer Lexicon reverbs such as PCM96. And how come no reverbs above PCM90 is mention, why do they not sound as good when they are based on the same algorithms ?

Back about 5 years ago just before I bought my TC Reverb 4000 on ebay I bid on and won a Lexicon 300. The 300 was the budget version to their 480L, sort of like my 4000 is the budget version of TC's 6000. As I said I won the auction but the seller had no feedback and would not work with me on a third party arrangement like going through a broker, so I let it go and got the 4000 instead. I'm sure if I had gotten the 300 I would have been a very happy person. :)

These days if I were in the market for a Lexicon verb I would probably check out the PCM96. From the reviews I have read it has that signature Lexicon sound, and the real interesting part is it has a firewire connection and can be used like any plug-in in your DAW software.

As a side note if you were seriously interested in the H7600, I would check out the H8000FW instead, which also has firewire connections, although I am not sure if they have plug-in integration like the PMC96.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: November 25, 2008, 09:46:07 PM »
In theory I have never really understood why hardware should be better in then software, I mean if it is only mathematical algorithms, why would not software sound as good ? . . . .The only bad thing is that it consume a lot of cpu..but sounds very good.

In a way you answered your own question. Reverb is very complex and requires a lot of processing power to do correctly. Software versions on your computer have to compete with the OS, your recording software, other plug-ins, other instruments, etc. In a word most plug-in versions are dumbed down so they are usable in a DAW enviroment with other plug-ins.

Also I Lexicon has released a software version of their "legendary algorithms"  called "Pantheon LE" How does this really compare with the hardware versions ?

I have not used it myself but the "LE" in the name is telling. That usually stands for "Lite Edition," meaning not as complex. The PCM70 is the classic Lexicon verb but just about all of those boxes are 20 years old now and I understand some parts like the display are getting hard to find so make sure you get one with a good display.


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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Black Hole Reverb
« on: November 25, 2008, 11:17:55 AM »
I just wanted to say that I pretty much agree with everything Paul said except for this:
 
If you are after a great deep space reverb, then you should not look at Eventide, regardless of the preset name on the H7600.

Having used some of the higher end Eventide boxes, including an H8000 I would tend to disagree. I think the eventide verbs are very nice and I am not the only one. I know both Steve Roach and Robert Rich use them so they can't be all that bad, maybe not the end all of verbs but certainly up there with the great ones like the Lexicon's, who have made great reverbs for some time and sort of set the benchmark.

For me, I don't see the point in using outboard reverb units, when my 'studio' is almost totally
computer based. Factoring in the cost of the case, the PSU, circuit board etc., when it's just the
algorithm thats the important thing.

If all algorithms were the same then I would agree but they are not, some are better then others. In regards to plug-in reverbs compared to hardware I would go with a decent high end hardware box over any plug-in as none of the plug-in reverbs that I have used (with the exception of DSP based plug-ins like those in the powercore) don't even come close to sounding as good. I haven't tried the one you posted but I will download the demo later and give it a go and see if my mind can be changed.

As for convolution verbs, they do sound better then algo-plug-ins for the most part. The only problem I have with them is they are basically a snap shot in time; they seem to work better with acoustic instruments when trying to recreate a specific environment, but with electronic music where you might need to stretch out, create a new environment they generally fall flat.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Ergonomically speaking...
« on: November 21, 2008, 01:59:37 PM »
I will say that those mice with a trackball only for your thumb - holy cow those are evil!

I have to agree with you there, I had one of those my first year in grad school. After a few months of using it for several hours a day I would get shooting pains in my shoulder. It took about five years for the pains to completely go away after I stopped using it. That's really been about the only problems I have had, I still use a regular mouse and  don't really have any problems.

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