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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Help me finishing my ambient setup :)
« on: January 30, 2014, 01:35:56 PM »

I have these 3 candidates:$File/neumann_kh120_front_rgb_3.jpg

You really need to sit down with your favorite music and listen to them, to see which pair works the best for you. Even better would be to try them out in your work space if you can.

I've been recommended in another forum a very good reverb unit, Eventide Eclipse, but reading the specs seems it doesn't process a lot of inputs at once with different presets...

That's what the aux sends on a mixer are for, you can send audio from each channel/instrument to an effect via the aux send, then send the output of the effect back into the mixer and mix everything together. The more aux sends your mixer has the more effects you can use.

So I think I will investigate first daw reverb plugins.

I've used reaper, it's very intuitive, but I think I will use cubase or protools in the end.

You can use your DAW as a mixer provided it has enough inputs and outputs, that's how I work these days. I use logic and all my synths and effects are connected to my computer directly via my audio interface.

But all of this stuff is really secondary to what you really need, inspiration. The tools won't be any good unless you have something to say.

I was very fond of the TC Electronics VSS3 Reverb I had on a Powercore card in a now deceased G5.....always had my eye on TC 4000 as this has that algorithm and the VSS4 plus more in it.

This was my concern with the Fireworx that it might be limited regarding each patch though I have found limits are often a good it tricky to patch the firefox with the relatively small screen?

No its pretty easy to work with but I hardly ever use the reverb, its not up to par with the bigger verbs like the VSS3/4.

The Stargate sounds very good and it in production today?

Nope, long gone. Ursa Major got bought out by AKG in the mid 80s. Stargates are pretty rare these days, I lucked into mine.


Never heard of the Stargate before - what's it like?

Nice old reverb/delay from the mid 1980s. Ursa Major made one of the first digital reverbs called the space station, the stargate was its successor. Here's a demo of the 626 which is the same unit but with double the memory of my 323:

This is what I currently have in my studio effect wise:

Lexicon 300
Lexicon MPX1
Roland SBF325 flanger
Sony D7
Sony R7
TC Electronics Reverb 4000
TC Electronics Fireworx
Ursa Major Stargate 323

I also use a lot of plugins, mostly stuff from the UAD and Powercore cards along with a few native things. First choice for verbs for me is always the hardware I have.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Constance Demby
« on: January 08, 2014, 12:42:36 AM »
Coming from New Zealand, a country where ambient music is basically unheard may be one of the reasons

I'd recommend a fellow countrymen of yours, David Parsons. He's made some excellent stuff over the years. One of my all time favorites.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: January 07, 2014, 06:54:24 PM »
wow :)

Looks like the old Helios mixer from 10cc's Strawberry Studios. I'm not sure what happened to that mixer, did you purchase it Immersion?  ;) I thought this thread was about personal studios that we have and not general gear porn.  ;D Here's another picture of it back in the day:

I was watching a video on one of the portable amps designed for use with mobile devices, the guy said on an Apple, rather than feeding the headphone Out into it, you can get a connector that uses the proprietary apple socket to feed the amp and that this bypasses the not so good amp in the Apple so you start with a cleaner signal.

That's what I do. If I want to listen to some music at night while falling asleep I plug my old ipod classic into one of those base chargers and take the out of that into this:

Not a dedicated headphone amp but an old B & O Beomaster 6000 stereo. Sounds pretty well for low level listening and looks cool too.  8)

I use to use ASIO on my mac back in the 90s. It was developed by Steinberg software for their products. But that was back in the OS9 and before days. With OSX you no longer need ASIO. I don't use Cubase anymore but I don't think Steinberg even offers ASIO anymore on the Mac since Core Audio does everything so much better. And yes it is way better then ASIO was when I used it.

I also use iTunes for the reasons given by many others. Most of my CD collection is in iTunes now.

Another alternative on the Mac is Amarra from Sonic Studios. They offer their own player but also a plugin for iTunes that is suppose to make iTunes sound better. It's also not free, it costs $50 for the plugin and a lot more for their player! You can find more info and a 15 day demo here:

Everything and Nothing / Re: Ambient Music + Copyright
« on: January 04, 2014, 04:40:31 PM »
1: If you use a sample from an already existing work then you credit & COMPENSATE the creator and the source

I think you need to go a step beyond this, please ask first.  ;D  Don't just assume that someone will let you use their art anyway you feel fit, it doesn't work like that.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Binaural Recordings?
« on: December 28, 2013, 04:53:51 PM »
I've found using a binaural recording of something like rain or a storm for example, gives a great spatial element to a track. Binaural recordings I'd say are
perhaps more suited to field recordings.

Are you recording these field recordings binaurally or are you processing them later? I have tons of field recordings that I use in my music but none of it was recording binaurally, I don't have that kind of equipment. I'll give your recordings a listen later, thanks for the demo.

I've been looking at the software in Logic a bit more, reading up on it. I might play around with it later next week and see how it goes, if I can come up with anything interesting.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Binaural Recordings?
« on: December 28, 2013, 10:10:49 AM »
I like Binaural  recordings but why not do the same of the original mix also ?
it works in speakers too the effect..even though not in the same way.

First off it doesn't work very well using speakers from my experience, the 3D image gets lost and then their are usually extra phasing issues. Second the regular mix is done, in the can, ready to go, this was an after thought. I'm not going to toss out the regular mix and spend weeks trying to get a binaural mix to work well with speakers too especially since I am not sure their is much interest in this which is why I am here asking this question.

What software do you use ?

Logic Studio, it has binaural plugins included in the software.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Binaural Recordings?
« on: December 27, 2013, 10:02:51 PM »
How long would it take you to do these binaural mixes?

Good question, the answer is I don't know. I've never done this before so my guess would be at least a couple of days. The mix would most likely be the same or very similar, most of the time would be spent learning the binaural software and messing around with it to get interesting results.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Binaural Recordings?
« on: December 27, 2013, 09:14:13 PM »
That's why I am asking, to see if its worth the while to even do this. If only one or two people are interested then I probably won't bother. Just to be clear what I am asking about is would anyone be interested in a special headphones required mix, a binaural version of the album that will sound more 3D then a regular stereo mix? I'm trying to see if their is enough interest to make the effort to go back and do this. Of course if I do this both versions of the album will be available, the binaural version would only be a download while the CD would be the normal stereo mix. It might be possible that if you bought the CD that you would receive a code to download the binaural mix.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Binaural Recordings?
« on: December 27, 2013, 05:02:39 PM »
I am looking for some feedback on this issue so, this is a question to everyone out there. I just finished mixing my next album with Mark Seelig which is going to be called Tree of Life. A friend came over the other day and we got to talking about surround sound music (my friend's specialty). He told me he started mixing his stuff down to binaural stereo mixes for headphone listening, so people could enjoy his surround sound music on their ipods or mp3 players. We discovered that I actually already have in my music software the ability to make such recordings without having to do a surround sound mix. So my question is would anyone be interested in this? It would be a separate mix that you could download, but would not be available on the CD, and it would require headphone listening since binaural audio doesn't translate as well to speakers. Please let me know if this does or doesn't appeal to you. Thanks in advance.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Buchla Music Easel Ships
« on: December 21, 2013, 01:26:10 AM »
Wow.  Almost looks more to me like a Serge than a Buchla.  I interviewed Morton Subotnick in the 70s and the Buchla he was using then looked more metallic and darker than this (though I remember him being credited on his albums as playing an Electronic Music Box, so I'm now confused).

I'm not an expert on the Buchla stuff, but from my understanding the Electronic Music Box was Don's 200 system while it was being sold through CBS. This box we are talking about here was the portable performance version call the Music Easel, basically his version of the Mini Moog. I think its based on three different 200 modules. I think Mort has probably played just about everything Don has made, he now uses a Buchla 200e in live performance.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Buchla Music Easel Ships
« on: December 21, 2013, 01:18:21 AM »
I posted this last week on facebook, I was up at Noise Bug and this guy came in to pick up his brand new Music Easel, one of the first the store has recieved. Here are a couple pictures I took of it as he was opening it up for the first time:

They go for about $3800, you have to put 2 grand up front, non refundable deposit to get one.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: ???
« on: December 20, 2013, 12:36:42 AM »
Exactly, its not being sold as a musician's tool, something to put in your mix. More like a CD that you can customize the mix for your own enjoyment.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: ???
« on: December 19, 2013, 02:17:00 PM »
The Immersion Station was first shown at Soundquest Fest, they are on their 3rd version now. I've never used it because I've never had an iphone up till a week ago, but lots of people have bought it from what I understand.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Vangelis
« on: December 16, 2013, 01:05:15 AM »
Anyone know what instrument he is play?

From what I have read it is call the Direct system, and it is a custom made preset selector, transposer, and midi sequencer for controlling his numerous hardware synths, mostly old 90s digital synths and samplers. The symbols are his "figure coding" that he has used for years, dating back to the 70s to represent different sounds. The Direct system was based on and expanded upon the old 80s Zyklus sequencer which has become a bit of a legion of its time as an interesting real time performance midi sequencer. Very few were made and they are hard to come by, but their is a free software version on the web.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach and Loren Nerell
« on: December 16, 2013, 12:40:56 AM »
Thanks for the complement. I would love to do another project with Steve, its really up to him if/when he wants to do it. Speaking of collaborations Steve has a new album that he did with Kelly David coming out soon. My next release is an album that I did with Mark Seelig, not the deep ambient album you requested though. It will probably be out this summer.

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