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And what is your point?  My point is that your comment to Pete was a bit patronizing.  With your last comment, maybe you should quit while your'e behind... ???

Forrest

Um, quit what?

I was simply comparing the dynamics of a real instrument that reacts with the laws of physics in the hand of a great ambient music artist, Robert Rich...

So please stay on topic.

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[ edited by moderator - personal attack - STOP IT NOW. ]

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: May 13, 2015, 08:54:59 AM »

Using a set of monitors that complete each other is a good idea I agree.
I have heard "Avantone MixCubes" is a good choice for secondary monitor.
They are not ment to blow you away but if it sound goods on them they will translate good on most systems.

Also In general doing reserach on which monitors that does translate best is also a good
idea. Genelecs for instance they do not translate well to other sound system, while it sound good
on them it might sound dull and boring on other speakers.

using analysing tools is good to see problematic frequencies that you might not here.


Hey Extasis,

Yes the avantones seem a good choice for a ''second opinion'' regarding a mix..

I've read and discovered in person exactly the opposite regarding the Genelecs they translate superbly and sound good at the same time, especially the ones that use the ''SAM'' system that fix the room acoustics with a probe for calibration to the listeners position. Maybe your information is outdated? They are very, very serious about room acoustics and the way their systems integrate, a thing other companies don't care..And since I can't hire an expert in acoustic treatment to fix my rented house reflections, options are scarce don't you think?

http://www.genelec.com/news/latest-news/131-news-archive/year-2012/928-genelec-introduces-new-smart-active-monitor-sam-concept/

I know gearslutz bash Genelec and maybe it's where you got that info, but I've listened to some recent models and I was blown away...

For people with limitations regarding, little, or no room treatment, they look like the best option available, what is the purpose of buying a 4k monitors if your room is a shit and all you have is third party calibration options not tailored to your specific speakers?





 

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: May 11, 2015, 04:32:56 PM »
Hey Paul,

Thanks for the time you spent clearing some myths.

I have some questions:

1. Besides the obvious room treatment procedure and a pair of good ears, what set of tools, brands, do you consider crucial for good translation between systems?

2. What good practices should one take to seamless blend the result you ear in your studio and like you said, earbuds, car audio etc?

3. Mixing with headphones, still a tabu in 2015?

4. Mastering with nearfields, yes or no?

Thanks again for your time and it's always a pleasure to read you.

 

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See the differences between your toy app and a real instument:

http://www.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=2189206868001&section=Artist

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I figured that listening the first minutes is enough, because there's no real change or dynamics in the rest of the tracks.

I just wish you added more variation, because the start was really good.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: May 08, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »
Taking this thread out from the grave...

What's your opinion on this workflow:

1. Recording and mixing hardware synths into the DAW

2. Equalizing the output with an -> API5500 + BAX EQ

3. Recording hot to tape stereo mixdown-> Studer A80

4. Recording the result to digital again

Thanks.

First of all, very cool gear. You have an A80...NICE!!!

I record all of my hardware synths into my DAW, and I mix all of my tracks through out board EQs and Compressors on a track by track basis and then I too have a Bax on my master buss along with an A-Designs Nail compressor.

The A80 will definitely add a sound and a compression depending on how hard you hit it. I would worry a tad about extra noise, but all that matters in the end is are you happy with the final sound? Have you compared you mix with and without the tape? If you like the tape better then you are doing it right.

Hi Paul.

I don't have that gear yet, eh eh.. I was considering it, because a studio is selling them for a good price. Yeah, the noise thing is indeed a problem, but I'm really happy with a noise removal plugin from iZotope, I use it moderately with my outboard synths to reduce a bit their natural noise floor with great results IMO.

Indeed I'm looking for some character and natural compression and I think this Studer A-80 is my passport for that goal.


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(People do amazing things on even an iPhone screen.

Well I'm not an apple supporter, and I think making music on an ipad with my butt sitting on a coffee shop chair is a not a step forward, but if you think it makes you look cool, then go ahead :)
This is bringing back a memory of when I travelled by bus from Ottawa to Toronto back in the seventies to buy a Synthi-AKS. I remember waiting in the lineup at the bus station to return to Ottawa, thrilled to be carrying my new modular synth home and knowing that outsiders saw only a young man with a briefcase. Cheers!

I would be happy with that Synthi-AKS, such a lively machine. So sad that nowadays people invest in this disposable shit devices. I don't even use a phone, if people want to contact me, send me a letter or meet me in person.

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+1

This album is repetitive and boring almost amateur, I just enjoyed some pads he threw under those samey-samey sequences...I didn't recognized Steve Roach until some of the aforementioned pads came up. This album could be made by some random guy with a long beard and tattoos, twiddling knobs on youtube.

Below average I must say, I see unknown people doing more interesting stuff with modulars, more, than this album has to offer, so sad he's losing steam :(

Maybe it has to do with Synthesizers.com modulars, who uses that piece of crap anyway?

He should definitely invest in some proper MOS-LAB modulars..

Look at the difference:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Umkl0YmwfAI#t=245





 

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« on: May 04, 2015, 07:48:54 PM »
Taking this thread out from the grave...

What's your opinion on this workflow:

1. Recording and mixing hardware synths into the DAW

2. Equalizing the output with an -> API5500 + BAX EQ

3. Recording hot to tape stereo mixdown-> Studer A80

4. Recording the result to digital again

Thanks.





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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« on: April 18, 2015, 04:18:48 PM »
(People do amazing things on even an iPhone screen.



Well I'm not an apple supporter, and I think making music on an ipad with my butt sitting on a coffee shop chair is a not a step forward, but if you think it makes you look cool, then go ahead :)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« on: April 17, 2015, 03:45:33 PM »
Reminds me of the digital v. analog flame wars of yesteryear.  Why live in a binary universe?

iOS sounds like an interesting platform for trying out different approaches to sound generation, like some of the Jordan Rudess apps.

Forrest

The problem is when you want to reproduce old circuits with new technology...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c7GdSMDsZME#t=175

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« on: April 16, 2015, 07:33:22 PM »
Interesting video regarding using an iPad as a mobile recording set-up:



..........

Hint number one: 10,500 usd MM27 Barefoots.

Hint number two: Plenty of outboard gear.

Hint number three: Dual 30 inch monitors.

He can say whatever he wants about Auria, in the end of the day we all know where he records.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« on: April 15, 2015, 01:50:24 PM »
I feel that ambient made with these gadgets turns anything into disposable music.

1. No warmth, no nostalgia from old soundbanks (Why Steve Roach still utilizes the Emu, Oberheim, Nord Lead, Wavestation?) and not an ipad?

2. Hardware is made as a whole, including the DAC character, I doubt anything software for ipad will survive 30 + years, back to 1. (repeat often).

3. Larger screen is 15 inches up, anything smaller for any kind of production is counterproductive.

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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Ovod - Between the days
« on: January 03, 2015, 02:55:08 PM »
imitation of helicopter blades in Swamp helicopters track from my album

? ? ? ? ? ?

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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Ovod - Between the days
« on: January 02, 2015, 08:01:45 AM »

imitation of the sound of the helicopter blades in the Swamp helicopters.

? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Arturia - Prophet V
« on: December 03, 2014, 05:51:52 PM »
This is a good example too of oberheim stuff:


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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Arturia - Prophet V
« on: December 03, 2014, 05:47:45 PM »
I feel like I'm back in the 80s  :-[

IMO synth sound evolution has been made backwards. For some reason the ''Quiet Music'' by Steve Roach is so damn good, Oberheim OB8 if I'm not mistaken.

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Arturia - Prophet V
« on: December 03, 2014, 05:07:31 PM »
Your link is broken!

Yeah that demo is a joke. Calling it Matrix 12 is a crime...

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Arturia - Prophet V
« on: December 03, 2014, 04:41:48 PM »
Yeah I think they are deceptive with their products. They "claim" to reproduce all these classic synths, but if you have ever had any experience with the originals compared to their software versions, well they don't usually add up. The most blatant case I can think of is their version of the Arp 2600. I've own a couple of them over the years, have played many others. Their version is not even close to the real instrument. Their are just certain things that a real 2600 does that the software version doesn't do, it was just a big joke. I can only assume they figure most of their clients have never used any of the real instruments they claim to make.

You didn't processed the sound enough, according to Mr Tomas Weiss, plugins are good enough in this genre of music.

Using his own words:

"We are talking here about Ambient music which mostly is based on an embedded and often blurred bed of sounds and tones".

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