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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: October 16, 2014, 11:13:47 AM »
I say it again...You are not in the little gear category :)

You can buy a really nice car here in Europe with just those 2 synths.

Sure you don't have plenty of 500usd synths and I don't see the usual suspects, wavestation, jd-800, waldorfs etc.
What happened to the Juno-60? That was a huge loss IMO. A synth with great warmth.

I was going to purchase one of those 250 euros furman boxes, but now...

My house is fully grounded but I still listen to some background noise in some machines (max volume) Expecially when they aren't plugged in the same power strip.

Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 26, 2014, 02:46:40 PM »
Well I think I might be charged as guilty, because when I moved from the city to the countryside, ambient music made so much sense...

The problem it's when you force imagery in a video, sometimes it just violates the track.

Everything and Nothing / Re: What is the Hypnos Forum to you ?
« on: September 26, 2014, 02:32:11 PM »
...Because for me ambient it's a mind expanding music, it's the soundtrack of my life. A forum like this should exist to give a nice shelter to all people with the same view about the world and this music.

I don't care and I despise politics, tv, newspapers, football, the society in general. I'm interested in the mysteries of life, nature, the cosmos and microcosmos and above all the art we produce that makes us special above all common and rule driven humans.

I'm more interested in a shadow cast by a tree, or the rustling of leaves, than listening to a person talking about ''really important things about society.''

An ambient forum IMO should be about ambient, we have everything and nothing elsewhere if we want it.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Sorry Pete Kelly....On Inspiration
« on: September 18, 2014, 07:31:19 PM »
Let's forget all about this, indeed this went out of control and won't happen again. Sorry if I offended someone.

I'm not looking for trouble. And I don't want to spend my energy with virtual fights.


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 18, 2014, 04:34:42 PM »

"WE can't allow any profane personal insults here"...really.  They do on television! 

Maybe in America, not in the rest of the civilized world.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 18, 2014, 04:29:44 PM »
Everybody needs to cool off, please.

We intend to enforce the rules of the forum. Just because you are angry at something someone else has said doesn't mean you can break the rules in response.

If someone posts something you consider a violation (personal insults in particular), please report the post to the forum moderators and admin. We're going to moderate a bit more tightly for a while until order is restored.

Everyone please remember the point of an internet forum is discussion and the sharing of ideas. Simply put, we come here FOR FUN. It's not supposed to be a series of arguments or insults or belittlements. We all need to behave better, please!

I've read what he said and I consider that an insult.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 17, 2014, 06:46:28 PM »

The forum isn't the problem. It's the way you talk to some people here. I started out posting here a little over a year ago and honestly, I've managed to get along with everyone here just fine. Nobody has disrespected me and I've gotten helpful music advice. Calm down a bit and you'll be a lot better off. I'd hate to see you get banned over this.

Try to talk about hardware 2000 up and we will see, :) , or better, buy it, have the balls to spend that cash because you like this so much, that it seemed like a cent. And then come here to search and be confronted with "advice".

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 17, 2014, 06:32:11 PM »
Mr. CCC (sorry for the nostalgically remembrance)

Actually it was CTT. See.. your nostalgic remembrance was a tad foggy, just like everything else you think about us on this forum.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 17, 2014, 05:49:34 PM »
I´m pretty sure that anyone here knows and appreciate, that both of you guys are real specialists when it comes to gear and pro-audio judgements!

Apparently not. Apparently we are just some kids! (actually I've verified and I'm much older than you) with some budget to spend on pro gear and constantly judged by doing it.

So my expectations when I joined this forum were completely ruined, look:

I didn't found any advice to my main questions, except from the other person that has the same issues with the people here, some of those advices turned into real purchases for which I'm really thankful to that person.

Another exception was to figure out how Oophoi worked in his studio, because I was intrigued many years by this (thanks Paul Vnuk Jr. and Seren for the insights)

People that claim ''hey you don't really need all that'', have all that and more, which is really annoying.

Forrest Fang and Castleview are the only persons that really listen to our tracks and provide constructive reviews, the other ones are always ''too busy''.

It's not really about the ambient music, commercial interests prevail in most cases. I seriously doubt some people here really like the music, or if you just found a niche to commercially explore.

If you have problems with newcomers and you like the ''Elite'' only mode, maybe you should consider to go into a private forum format?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 17, 2014, 04:46:26 PM »

Cosmic fabric – you mention Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Jean-Michel Jarre, Oophoi, Vangelis, Tangerine Dream as your gear inspiration – but I assume these artists all started with a single synth and a reel to reel.

Oophoi did enjoy gear but a direct personal quote was that his ‘dream’ effects chain was a roland VP9000, TCm3000 and sony minidisc 730 – none of which are particularly high end gear. I also find inspirational how he also valued and supported creativity in others. I can’t speak about the others on your list.

Thanks for your input. You're one of the artists with little gear that I enjoy most :)

Indeed I mentioned those artists and I could mention more. It's true they all started with little gear, but when they reached a certain peak, their tracks are full of well known synths with character and if you think a specific synth is not important just try to listen some tracks of Oxygene without the Eminent 310U (in this case an organ) or the Elka Sythex, or Steve Roach without his Oberheims, let's remove them from known tracks and let's see how they sound.

My conclusion is that there are many ways to approach ambient music, It's ok to draw with just a pencil, but using and combining colors is more exciting to me.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 17, 2014, 03:50:54 PM »

My studio fits into the little gear category.  There is really not much there.

I just feel that you answer like a politician, you aren't truthful, clear or concise. I think you're confused with what's little and what's too much.

What's the difference between a person like you that claims to have ''little gear'' (clearly not true the pictures don't lie) and me and Extasis? Are you saying that you are better than us? And that's the explanation why you have that big set of tools?
Because we have less stuff than you, but still, we are witch hunted for some unknown reason that has too do with having too much and unnecessary gear.

I just want a clear answer to those simple questions.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 14, 2014, 04:55:31 PM »
Mr. Julio why do you have an Oberheim Matrix 12 and all this gear? Do you know by the slightest chance that this discussion is because of the righteous need for bashing people using ''unnecessary high-end gear''? have you noticed that you look silly pretending that you are on the side of the people that has talent but little gear?

Do you recognize this studio?

Let me give you some flash news! It's yours!

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 14, 2014, 03:29:59 PM »
I'm not going to get into a slanging match with any individual who has such fixed and limited views on the ambient music.

I have more than 1000 albums of original files and cds, including yours, I'm not new to ambient.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 14, 2014, 03:21:41 PM »
This whole "Chef" thing has got me into this thread because I intended to stay out of it for obvious reasons.

I have been a professional Chef for the last 27 years and I emphasis "professional" because I get paid to do this.   With all these opinions floating about here some real world facts about cooking are warranted.

1.  The only essential tool a cook needs is a sharp knife, preferable a good one about a $100 and should last many many years.

2. All that "equipment" you may have seen in commercial kitchens is there for one produce food for a lot of people in a short period of time.  Practically every fancy piece of equipment can be done with a good sharp knife if you know how but often a short cut is needed because time is critical and the doors open at 5pm and the show must commence. Hence the need for fancy equipment

3. Anything done in a commercial kitchen can be done in a home kitchen....granted you might not want to smoke pork butt in your house or have a veal stock simmering for 48 hours. 

4. The creative process is a team effort in a commercial kitchen.....I write the menu, source ingredients, look for interesting flavors that work well together or contrast each other etc....but it gets handed off to the station that will actually complete the dish so there is a constant need for excellent technique and often relearning.  Part of my job is that the cooks in the kitchen are exposed to these techniques so that they can do the job and we arrive at the completed dish together during the chaos and fury of a busy service

5. There are no real short cuts.....sort of contradicting myself here....what I mean is if you want to understand sauces you have to know the traditional mother sauce that came out of french cooking.  The principles learned allow one to be really creative or break the tradition and know why you are doing so.  Training is everything and then the creative expression follows.

6. You dont have to go to culinary school to be a good do have to work in several or often many different restaurants to get the real knowledge if you choose to work in this industry

7.The equipment in commercial kitchens is only a means to an end, the most important part is the creative human factor that will make the food taste delicious, look exciting and been full of nutrition to promote a healthy and energized life.

I don't know what kind of chef you are, what rank, may I ask?

1. The chef I know, have all sorts of knifes for many purposes, it's really a big set. But he cooks for a lot of people per day, 500. He's a hard working seasoned chef, not a boutique chef.

That kitchen looks more like a lab. You have for example a giant soup boiler attached to the ground with plenty of controls for temperature.

2. Industrial and pro gear will always exist in many areas, that's the reason why doctors don't go into surgery with fisher price medical kit - pink color.

3. No you can't cut kg and kg of fish and big pieces of meat in a home kitchen it's not reasonable, but my suspicion is that you've worked in a small place.

4. Well ambient is about the creation and release of personal works, with occasional collabs, so your example doesn't apply most of the time.

5. I'm a creative person, I don't have any problem with making ''sauces'' I'm not playing classical music, or reading/writing scores? Why do you think ambient is such a difficult thing to do?

6. Sure.

7. You should consider donating your expensive synths and gear.


Once again another person that comes to talk about ''it's not the gear, it's not the gear!'', when his studio has high end gear like the oberheim matrix 12 etc. Why do you insist in being hypocrite like this? Throw your gear out of the window and start to use what you preach to others, what do you think?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 13, 2014, 12:01:37 PM »

You Send me your gear, I can help you to get some balance.

You send me a very large check and I just might do that.  ;D

I don't care if other artists have smaller or computer based studios,

You completely missed my point but I'm not surprised.

No I did't missed your point. You don't downgrade from the pile of stuff you use, so please don't recommend us inferior solutions, that you will never use. It just makes you look like an hypocrite.

Mr. Nerell:

''Hey here I am riding Ferraris and Porsches, but hey you common people can ride too!! I know a really cool bicycle store!''

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 13, 2014, 08:53:28 AM »
Also, having a large pile of gear does not make one a great artist, their has to be a balance.

Sorry but I disagree, all artists that I enjoy have huge piles of gear, like professional chefs.

You Send me your gear, I can help you to get some balance.
Steve Roach
Robert Rich
Jean-Michel Jarre
Tangerine Dream
Etc, etc.

I don't care if other artists have smaller or computer based studios, I don't care if some dimwit in the middle of nowhere is doing ambient in his toy-like setup. My reference is those guys do I have to be more clear than this?? and many sounds I've heard during my lifetime are now tagged to specific synths while I was doing my research.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 06:04:33 PM »
Using your example of chefs, they have industrial ovens, refrigerators, special pans, cups and what not. :)

Do they have less passion than the ''home chef'' ?

You can make delicious home meals, but when you want to push the limits of things and yourself, you have to own some of these tools, that undoubtedly make the difference.

Here's a couple of pictures of well known chefs:

Go tell one of these chefs to use a so, so sad, toy-like, wrist-cutting and non creative setup like this:

While they can make cool things than most mortals in such setup, they will always want the meaty sound of animals like Prophets 05, Jupiters, CS-80 etc, etc, to touch the damn knobs and keys, TO F.. USE THEM, heck, even smelling the fumes of old circuits it's all part of the ritual.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 05:41:03 PM »
It's definitely not about the gear, it's about what's inside that drives one's passion and creativity to make music.
My gear is average, but my passion to make music is about emotions, images and conveying that as music......
That's what should drive one to make music and their passion may it be music or being a chef, etc....doesn't matter....find your inner passion and creativity and go forth and make it happen...

I appreciate your efforts, but the album I've listened from you - Alternate Realms 2, have good ideas, but the sound quality is not very good, I'm sorry. But this is what I'm discussing here, good ideas that are lost in the middle of weak setups. The weak link should always be you and not the gear, so if anything have to improve is the artist not the gear.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:14:54 PM »
It's very little to do with equipment, studios or whatever - it's the desire for self expression, that is paramount.

Man, why don't you mix then with some desktop pc speakers and the built in soundcard in your pc?

Works pretty well for me. ;D

For me too, my workflow at the moment is recording to a Zoom H6 and edit with my laptop default soundcard. But this is a temporary solution  8)

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