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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 10:48:33 AM »
Funny you created the gear offtopic....

I clearly commented a gear quote.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 10:32:22 AM »

care to post a link to your work ?


Care to post something that is not ambient, let's say something classic reading from a score? I would love to see that.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 10:24:29 AM »
I'm not saying a beginner should start with a Les Paul Black Beauty, I'm saying that a person with a certain artistic and technical level in another area can jump to a more pro gear oriented environment.

If I'm used to work with high resolution material for clients, why should I downgrade just because I jumped to audio?

It's just data in the end, images, video, audio, whatever. The better and precise your tools are the better your work will be, it's just common sense.






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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« on: September 12, 2014, 07:28:58 AM »
It's very little to do with equipment, studios or whatever - it's the desire for self expression, that is paramount.

Man, why don't you mix then with some desktop pc speakers and the built in soundcard in your pc?

It has to do with the quality of the gear too
, or you might have trouble delivering the best sound to your public. That's why pro gear exists so you have access to tools way above the average consumer equipment. For me creativity is something spontaneous and accessible, that's why I love a lot of knobs and keys in front of me.

Yeah Kitaro made amazing tracks and he created polyphony by painfully recording over and over again to tape his mono synths. But do you want to go again to those times, do you want the technical part to be 98% and the rest the creative part?

I'm a Computer graphics artist, and a 1500 euros monitor is not enough to see if all my colors are correct, I still have to check my work in 3 or 4 monitors to make an average. And I'm not talking about particular colors, but a general feeling that is lost just by viewing your work in another screen. If your 150 euros monitor shows black as gray, that simple detail affects all the colors.

If my graphics card has very little VRAM I can't work with 4k textures and I have to work in little parts losing the work as a whole.

If all my work depends on a 150 euros TFT monitor I would be fucked, plain and simple, no matter how creative I am.

My answer to this thread is simple, deep inside you want all that pro gear, but because some of you can't make a living based in your unsuccessful work, you dig these quotes from famous people.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:55:27 PM »
Of course Mike's music is great, to me that is obvious, he's one of my top artists. The question here is about visuals on ambient music and how that affects a track perception.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:06:30 PM »
Why would you post this on the Hypnos website, specifically about Mike's music?  Seems like you could've made your point a different way.  Just my opinion.

Because it's an ambient related theme and I would like to read the opinion of others. Yeah you are right, I could made my point in a different way, but this is how it happened and I want to portray the conversation like it was :)

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient on youtube
« on: September 10, 2014, 02:42:01 PM »
Hallå Extasis

Yeah that was the theme we were discussing the other day, but this real case with my friend here made me bring this subject to this forum :)

He was telling me that it wasn't because of the video and he really thinks that youtube track is actually better than the artists mentioned above. But I agree with you and his mind certainly has been tricked because of the video.

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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Ambient on youtube
« on: September 10, 2014, 12:32:50 PM »
I've showed a friend some ambient that I enjoy, Mike Griffin, Oophoi and others in the same genre.

The guy said:

'It's lifeless simple and morbid'

On the other hand he said he enjoys a lot this one:



Do you think a pretty video and images makes a bad/unnoticed track interesting and vice versa?

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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Phobos - Sector Four
« on: September 06, 2014, 07:03:55 PM »
Hi Phobos,

I'm interested knowing what hardware synths did you used?

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bad Ambient
« on: September 05, 2014, 11:44:46 AM »
Quote
Eating with bare hands is also one of the oldest and true original ways of eating

Thanks for that, I'm always looking out for original ways to eat, I think I may stop using the digereedoos and use bare hands instead.
Bad, bad ambient...

You should use bare feet it requires more skills. I'm using nose these days, but I'm wayyy ahead of you.   ;)

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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Alesis Andromeda A6 FS
« on: September 04, 2014, 01:35:11 PM »
Does anyone else have an Andromeda for sale?

I'd be willing to pay good money. I want the A6 like this one.

Are you in Europe?

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bad Ambient
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:56:20 AM »
Blasphemy!  Ah, well, to me the didge is the oldest, truly original acoustic ambient sound generator, but I suppose not everyone is going to "di(d)g" it.

Eating with bare hands is also one of the oldest and true original ways of eating. :)

I don't know, I never enjoyed primitive stuff in music.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bad Ambient
« on: September 03, 2014, 06:37:16 PM »
Steve Roach when uses didgeridoos is bad ambient.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Bad Ambient
« on: September 03, 2014, 10:45:42 AM »
I hear ya.

To me anything that sounds like a product is bad ambient:

Tomas Weiss

Mars Lasar

Dan Gibson (with few exceptions)

To name a few.

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Hmmm...

A Waldorf Q + XT is a better investment than this giant synth.
When I listen to it on youtube it's hard to distinguish from my Q and the price...To close to a Yamaha CS80.

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So Tomas...a week has passed......what was the purpose of this?  Did it answer anything for you?

Hey Julio,

I will explain more soon :-) Still in the middle of some additional tests.

BTW: Instead of fighting in other threads, particular this one would be something for my audiophile friends CCT / Ekstasis to participate and share their opinion. But nope….just silence!

Greetings,
Tomas


I'm not audiophile, you got it wrong. I couldn't care less for 5k oxygen free cables. Or gold plated wall power socket.

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The reality is that there ARE experts in the audio field when it comes to gear and its use. There are experts at mixing and audio engineering. There are people who have spent years learning composition theory. There are people who are expert craftsmen at creating and shaping sounds. Best of all, all of these exist within our own genre.

I would like to add that I prefer ambient music by a person with no technical skills and superb creativity. In my area technical experts are the people doing TD jobs which consists assisting REAL artists when they reach technical difficulties. Both are necessary of course.

But don't underestimate the raw power of naivety, children are the most creative humans using divergent thinking and divergent thinking should be used plenty in arts.

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Gently wading back in here... :-[

Lest I be misinterpreted as attacking any one specific person or not...all I was pointing out with my previous post on low end and where it sits in certain songs hitherto being discussed here, I think that it is perfectly valid to like or dislike anything based on ones own personal taste. I like low end in my ambient music...Great!!! You don't Great!!! I do think the line gets crossed when a person makes presumptive statements about the music along the lines of "so and so must be loosing their hearing" "or "its all due to their switch from gear X to gear Y that said artists music now sucks".

Again, you can say, "I don't like the music now as much as I did before", you can even say that in your opinion you preferred when said artist used synth X, reverb A or mixer C.

However the statements here lately take on a tone which is more along the lines of, "The artist is making a BIG MISTAKE because they switched their gear, or workflow, or they are going in a different direction". Again, you may not like it as much. This is valid. Accusing them of going backwards or not knowing what they are doing or whatever based solely on your personal flavor taste profile is not alright. Its the artists decision to go in what ever musical direction they want, with what ever gear they want, in whatever studio that they want. If you like it or not, thats what you get to decide.

One other thing that seams to be popping up here often which is a very interesting blend of gearslutz meets audiophile discussion. In this arena of gear geakdom there are two schools of thought:

1. Good music can be made with any gear no mater how expensive, cheap, hard or soft.
2. It takes the highest end, cream of the crop gear to make it

In some ways, both are right, but it depends completely on who is wielding the tools. No more and no less. It can also be equal parts studied expertise or naive happy accident.

This brings me to my final point which is tolerance and respect of each other...probably not in the way you think though.

One thing internet culture has dumbed down is opinion vs expertise. (there are many interesting articles on the subject so google it). The crux is that "my opinion is just as valid as another persons years of study, use and expertise in a given subject."

The reality is that there ARE experts in the audio field when it comes to gear and its use. There are experts at mixing and audio engineering. There are people who have spent years learning composition theory. There are people who are expert craftsmen at creating and shaping sounds. Best of all, all of these exist within our own genre.

You would be wise to consider their opinions with an appropriate weight. Not that one never challenges or questions ones elders or sages in any given area, but a wise person always gives them respect and takes what they have to say to heart. A fool does not.

Example if someone has used high end gear gives a new person advice on how to do things better, the new person would do well to listen and consider what is being said. The key here is that the person with the experience should give the new person advice on how to succeed first with what they already have, and only suggest upping their gear if said gear is wrong for them or is causing them to hit a wall. This is the same for compositional advice or whatever. Its the old adage that before you break the rules, you should learn them or at the very least be aware of them and respect them.

Ok...I lied, one final point which rears its head every few years is "what is ambient music anyway?" Well in this day and age, good luck describing it and pigeon holing it. Some of it is deep and droney with little reverb or tonal movement. Some of it has "gasp" a melody played by "gasp" a real instrument...often which may be "gasp" acoustic in nature. Some of it is tribal with ethnic hand played drums. Some of it uses electronic programed beats. Some of it is bathed in more reverb than the deepest reaches of the galaxy. Some of it is lo-fi, some hi-fi. Some has analog sequencers. Some has string sections and choirs.

Its ALL various facets of what we call space music or ambient or whatever.

Peace!
PV


I really enjoyed reading your post. Congratulations.

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well there is different religions there is people who believe in external/physical gear, but there is also another religion and this unlimited belief in this "magic box" ,  and with this "magic box" you can basically create anything you can imagine , it is basically your own imagination that set the limit of what this "magic box" can do.
 


That and cracked plugins, it's so easy to recommend software...........

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