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Thanks for picking it up Chris. Appreciate it.
And you know, I really like Bandcamp too. It's great for buyers and artists. Consistent interface and it's quick and easy.
I will be putting more of the recent DataObscura releases up. But it takes time.


Full Circle is a collection of nine intricate and absorbing ambient explorations that show
APK at his very best. Subtle rhythms, beautiful compositions rich with details, and a
yearnng melodic structure that speaks volumes. A work that will delight again and again.
This one is a little different ... but the samples will tell you a lot more than any words we
can say, so please check them out.

The album is available as a physical CDr release or as a download (320kbs MP3).

A slightly more expensive download is also available on the new DataObscura Bandcamp
site for those who want lossless. You can stream the first 5 tracks.

There is a player with a full set of samples and tracklist here on the purchase page:
TCR - Full Circle @ DataObscura

Please do have a listen.

Comments always welcome.
Many thanks.


Yes, we deleted the abusive posts.
Please don't take any offense that we deleted your post with them. You were right to point out the problem.
The el culto thread is still there, just farther down than you were looking. Remember it got bumped up because of the posts, so went back down when we deleted them.

Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: Amazon Fire TV Stick
« on: October 30, 2014, 07:43:12 AM »
"I hope"  -   ;D

Yep Pete, I always thought it odd that people put up albums on Bandcamp and let the whole thing be listened to. Quality seems to be around 128kbs mp3, so pretty good. It can be streamed whenever you want to hear it, or you can easily capture the stream and have a free copy of it.

Of course, Bandcamp capitalize on this a bit by offering, for a monthy fee of $10, to let you choose which tracks are streamable. Which is presumably a good option for labels and artists who sell well.

But another option is to make some tracks bonus tracks, so they don't show in the track list and can't be streamed, but will be in the download. This seems an obvious thing to do if you don't want people to be able to stream the whole album. Just mention the tracks in your blurb just beneath the track listing so people know what's on the complete album.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: October 27, 2014, 07:06:59 PM »
Wow !  yeah ... 8)

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 27, 2014, 07:02:58 PM »
Being English and into classical for much of my early years I was brought up on The Lark and the wonderful Tallis Fantasia. Beautiful pieces. Great to hear them mentioned. Should be on everyone's menu. 

That is expensive, and a large run for a limited edition (these days). And you know there are another 250 because they would have got 1,000. Kinda odd.


This is a mighty fine technical essay on digital audio that shows why higher and higher bit and sampling rates is a waste of time ... and space. Well worth the read if you don't already know this stuff. Or if you thought you did, but actually dont  ;)

One thing to remember with pressed albums is that a run of 300 is pretty much the same as paying for 500, which is only a little less that doing 1,000.  So you don't save much money at all doing a small pressed run. And that is just not economical for many ambient labels and individuals, given the low expected sales of often less than 200.

Of course, a pressed CD and a burned CD are still both CDs. But given the buyer's awareness and concern about what he/she is buying, I agree that sellers should mention what sort of CD it is they are offering. No point in surprising people.

I believe that most of the places that you go to for CDs don't actually press them themselves but send them to a pressing plant (of which there are far far less), so they are like sub-contractors. And I'm not sure the pressing plant is into doing CDR runs. Though they probably do silk-screening. The problem with assuming a CDR run is high quality is that all the places I've tried (that also offer pressed runs) will offer various makes of disk and various printing methods for the CDR, so there is no set standard like you find with a pressing. I think they pretty much burn the disks in an automated rack of burners that does the same as your home system does when it burns. I think what people call a pro CDR is simply one that has been silk screened and so looks like a pressed disk. So more to do with the look/graphics than the music.

Not sure there is any such thing as a "pro-CDR".
All CDRs are burned. You can have blank CDR disks screen printed if you want, just like pressed disks, then burn them. This is why it looks just like a pressed CD on the top side. But a CDR will have a different underside. You can buy CDRs that are silver on the underside and they therefore look just like pressed disks, but how you can tell it is a CDR is that when you burn data onto a CDR there is a noticeable ring (or color change) where the burning stops (at the end of the music). You will see it if you look closely in good light.

At DataObscura I use only Taiyo Yuden CDR disks. These are reported to be the best. They use a dye in their manufacture which makes the under surface look slightly green or blue. This color also lets you know it is CDR. I could use silver disks, but they are simply not as long lasting or trustworthy as the dyed ones.

All pressed CDs, as far as I know, are silver underneath and have no burn line on them ... because they are pressed rather than burned.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: October 15, 2014, 06:45:23 AM »
The Solaris is looking pretty ! I'd also like to know what you think of it.

Desk is certainly nice, though perhaps not as deep as I'd like ... I do tend to use some flat, desktop gear and controllers that need quite a bit of space.

And are those 3-way speakers really meant for near field monitoring? They look huge  :)

Thinking of Sam's music industry blog posts, it becomes fairly clear why the CDR format is needed to keep things in print. Doing a 1,000 CD run is is expensive, but the cost per CD is surprisingly cheap. However, if you only sell up to 200 of them then that individual CD price is really 5 x as much ($6 and above). Which is very expensive per album. Which is why CDR is more cost effective for a short run ... because you only pay up front for what you expect to sell. A decent CDR (using Taiyo Yuden + insert + case) usually costs more to produce than a single pressed CD in a run of 1,000, so it isn't that CDR releases are inherently cheaper and should cost the consumer less.

I'm not up on scotch at all (wine is more my thing), but what about non-Scottish whisky?
Any standouts from around the world ?

Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Twin Peaks revisited
« on: October 07, 2014, 06:10:31 PM »

Apparently we are going to get a new series of Twin Peaks !!   8)

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: September 28, 2014, 05:14:44 PM »
Bonobo - Cirrus at Glastonbury 2014

Everything and Nothing / Re: What is the Hypnos Forum to you ?
« on: September 27, 2014, 05:40:25 PM »
Most 'social media' is, for me, too short and vapid to have any sense of real connection.
Yep. Two thumbs up on that. The forum format is more a sustained dialogue. Topics are up for further discussion and reveal various viewpoints beyond a facile like/dislike dualism. And even when the discussion gets negative it is often interesting to see what topics cause such divisions, and learn not to be too dogmatic or one-sided about things oneself.

I find the Hypnos Forum very comfortable and open, welcoming to new members, and really with a fine mix of posters and topics. And as a moderator I especially like deleting, on the weekend, all the posts for drugs and excellent imitation classic watches.

Loren: "To me Hypnos in many ways is an old shoe."      :o


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