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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: CDs are Dead....Almost!
« on: January 17, 2011, 01:06:43 AM »
I'm enjoying this discussion and the different perspectives. I used to be completely against downloads, and the few experiences I had with them were uninspiring, and the feeling of detachment from the material made me lose interest quickly. But now, with some experience using an ipod, I am able to understand the counter point to this, and enjoy music detached from material. Though granted I do not and will not buy downloads, I am talking about burning cds into itunes (am listening to Robert Inglis' reading of Lord of the Rings right now).

But am I the only one who thinks itunes is a piece of crap? There are various reasons, but in general it just feels irritating and uncooperative to use. This further deters me from wanting to get downloads.

I've been listening to Roach's 4cd set Mystic Chords this evening, and the enjoyment of the digipaks and fine cover art adds to my experience of the music. I think for packaging these days we have to be very discerning and make something of quality, both graphically and in a tactile/material sense. It's not enough to throw a crappily designed and printed 4 panel piece of paper in a jewel case and call that packaging. I'd really rather see a download only release than that kind of thing. I like how labels like 12k and hypnos have simple and elegant packaging, with design consistency, that project elegance and commitment.

But what about designers and musicians teaming up to produce music accompanied by posters, books, or other specialty items? And then perhaps a download code could be included with the special materials, and those would be limited, and somewhat pricey due to the fine materials and effort put into them. But there could be a cheap option for the non collector to just purchase the download. That might work for everybody, and make the graphic design nerds happy! Curious to know what you guys think of this option...

I am planning a release with a musician that will be just a big, beautiful hand-sewn and printed book that will be built on the same theme and is inspired by the music. We are not sure whether to include a high quality (such as Taiyo Yuden) cdr and the conveyor of the musical information, or just have a special printed post card slotted into the back, that would contain the download code. When I look at the money outlay required for a run of 500 cds, it is somewhat frustrating. Another avenue to take would be for smaller companies to do very low run yet high quality cd pressings, though I don't know the pressing industry, and this may not be feasible.

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Hypnos News and Announcements / Re: Hypnos 2011 outlook
« on: January 07, 2011, 06:34:51 PM »
It's good to see these releases upcoming. Your cover art is beautiful as usual. The Avatara cover is great. If I might venture a suggestion, the sun disk logo seems too large, and is competing in a distracting way with the eyeball in the center of the image. The older version seems more arresting in general as well. Just a thought...

I think the older version of Intangible is also more expressive of the title...

Can't resist the critique Mike, sorry, it's getting to be ingrained...

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Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: E-books in 2011
« on: January 07, 2011, 06:24:44 PM »
It's a fascinating world for those producing and consuming media these days. A couple years back when I started really hearing about Kindle I scorned it. But instead of lamenting, I am trying to look at the situation as it is, and what good can come from it for all parties concerned. I think there is room for everybody, as long as they open their imaginations a bit. Big publishers may not be able to do this effectively. It really is absurd to charge more for digital information than the physical copy.

I am getting into the world of book design, and am beginning to do work in this field. I personally feel that true typography still finds its apotheosis on physical paper inside the covers of a book one can touch and experience as an object. But I see the vast potential, usefulness, efficiency, and inevitability of the ebook, and will enjoy playing with, producing, and perhaps even consuming this format. I know I'd like to see a lot of technical manuals and some school books converted to this format. The lame racket, excessive prices, and low quality standards (cheap binding, and many are print on demand anyway) make the transition to ebook form for these types of books a good thing in my eyes. Same goes for mass produced cheap quality books.

But I still like to see a good quality, well made book with a sewn binding, something made to last. Seeing all the bibliophiles I'm meeting these days, there will always be a world of people who will support quality unique books.


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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: CDs are Dead....Almost!
« on: January 07, 2011, 06:02:42 PM »
It didn't seem like you were whining at all, Mike. I certainly would like to hear more of your ideas in relation to these topics.

I think I'm tending to agree with Leaf's post. But Mike also makes a great point in saying that if the music is something people truly want to buy, they will buy it, in whatever form.

It is interesting that publishing seems to be going in the same direction (though there are many dissimilarities as well). I really feel that the digital world plays a crucial role, and that the high quality packaging will become stronger to appeal to the holdouts. As someone who makes books, I don't feel threatened by mass market paperbacks going digital, in fact I think it's a good thing. It could very well end up strengthening the world of very high quality (though admittedly possibly prohibitively expensive to many consumers) book making and publishing. The same thing could happen with music. Though I do have some reservations with the cd format itself, which never quite seems to be an object built to last, and is inherently a mass produced, soulless factory object. The packaging can pick up this slack however. I've thought a great idea would be to just sell beautiful packaging in the form of booklet or poster, and just include a download code to obtain the actual music. And allow those who just want to download the music do so for a reduced price.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: January 04, 2011, 01:13:22 PM »
Hakobune - We Left the Window Open Sometimes.

So beautiful, the nostalgic sensation is almost unbearable.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Recent music purchases
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:46:41 AM »
I haven't been buying any music at all lately. Just the Emeralds albums many many weeks ago. I'm digging back deep into the little that remains of my collection and going over it with a fine tooth comb. It kind of feels good to get into things I barely gave attention to upon first purchase, and actually listen to them with new ears. I'm really finding out what I like and don't like. Until gainful employment is forthcoming, this is the way it'll be. That said, I did hold on to all my world music, so have been getting plenty of that. Can never get tired of Guqin. Though my love of electro/ambient is returning with strength. I think buying/having too much had reduced my appreciation for individual albums, and stifled my ability to discern quality...

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I love vinyl. And was finally converted to its superiority recently. Listening to the same album on cd and vinyl within the space of a day, and really hearing and feeling the difference. Vinyl release also solves the piracy problem. Good job Mr. Serries, thank you for your dedication to quality.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Emeralds
« on: November 30, 2010, 06:28:16 PM »
Wow, good to see all the recommendations. I'll start with Oneohtrix and branch out from there...

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Holiday season movie review thread
« on: November 29, 2010, 02:54:39 AM »
I'm quite excited to see Tron: Legacy. Recently saw the original and was fascinated by it. Those visuals were so unique and artistic that I don't think the new cg technology will surpass it in terms of its beautiful weirdness and soulfulness.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Emeralds
« on: November 29, 2010, 02:50:30 AM »
There's some definite Tangerine Dream influence in there, but wonderfully sublimated into their own expression. And they seem to have absorbed some goodness from origin electronica like Raymond Scott. Touches of Warp influence might be floating around there as well. They may have been influenced by other psych-rock, but they are definitely, even with some sweet guitar, in the ambient/electro realm. I think they are called experimental because they blend all the styles so well.

Listening to self titled album right now. Damn great stuff.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Emeralds
« on: November 25, 2010, 04:05:30 PM »
Emeralds are getting me interested in the electro/ambient world again. There is tradition here, and innovation, but overall a solid emotional cohesion and sense of inspiration (purity?) that is so refreshing.

Albums I have so far:
Emeralds (s/t)
What Happened
Does It Look Like I'm Here?

All most excellent, and brimming with power. It's got me wanting to check out others in the same realm, like Oneohtrix Point Never. But I'm so slow and cautious in buying music these days, due to lack of funds and jadedness in general, it may be a while.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Alio Die
« on: November 25, 2010, 03:47:27 PM »
Listening to Aura Seminalis and Tempus Re as winter has been coming on. These albums are simply great, maybe the crowning achievements in Stefano's catalogue. I still don't have the third in the trilogy, but will get it at some point.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: November 25, 2010, 03:36:30 PM »
Listening to Emeralds quite a bit lately. My new favorite band...

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 16, 2010, 12:05:09 AM »
Tons of Black Sabbath. And especially Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules. Rest in peace, o mighty Dio...you are still loved greatly.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 03, 2010, 12:54:12 PM »
Gila: Night Works. Yes, fascinating work...

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Huge Lovecraft fan here. Idiotically missed out on the Festival when I was actually living in Portland. Now am seriously thinking of driving down from Seattle, Friday night, to catch the Saturday and Sunday events...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Audio Centaur and Viatorium Press
« on: September 17, 2010, 12:29:07 PM »
I've been thinking about taking a letterpress printing class offered at a place not far from here.  I'd love to be able to take a different direction like that with hand-made, artisan-quality packaging and inserts for Hypnos CDs.

Mike, I highly recommend getting into letterpress as a solution for packaging. A Hypnos album packaged letterpress would be a great thing. It also can be fairly cheap to produce if you have access to a studio via classes. Fine paper tends to be the most expensive thing, but oh is it worth it. I would also recommend paying a visit to the great people at Stumptown printers. They'd probably give you a mini tour of their operations. Those guys are great.

And let me know if you have any letterpress questions, I'd be more than happy to share what I've learned so far. And I'm also curious to know the name of the school you mentioned.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Audio Centaur and Viatorium Press
« on: September 17, 2010, 12:23:40 PM »
This reminds me of the double fold albums of the old days where I would get a new release and spend the afternoon listening and looking at all the details of the art.

That is music to my ears. Thanks for the kind words, Harry. Feedback on the music will be most welcome...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Audio Centaur and Viatorium Press
« on: September 04, 2010, 03:41:48 PM »
Truly beautiful and amazing!  I'm very impressed, 9dragons.  Did you do the letterpress work yourself?

Thanks Mike, and thanks everybody for your kind comments. Yes, all the letterpress work was printed by me using an old Vandercook 4 proof press. The Symmetria album was letterpressed by Stumptown Printers, in Portland. I am still marvelling at the fine work they did.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Audio Centaur and Viatorium Press
« on: September 03, 2010, 08:30:58 PM »
I've got a fledgling label going, under the rubric of Audio Centaur, in addition to graphic and print acitivities as Viatorium Press. I encourage everyone interested in paper, letterpress, and traditional graphics, to check it out:

http://viatoriumpress.blogspot.com/

Thanks for looking, feel free to comment or critique the work.

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