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Everything and Nothing / Hearing Voices - Bugs and Birds
« on: July 24, 2010, 02:04:00 PM »
Just listened to this program, it is amazing. Music from moth wings. The microsonic worlds of insects. All around excellent audio joy. Check it out here: http://hearingvoices.com/news/2009/06/hv016-bugs-and-birds/?submit=Go

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Beautiful art work, it is great to see effort still being put into the presentation. Listened to the first two samples, this is an amazing work, put me in a good trance. Congratulations...

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: June 26, 2010, 12:13:48 AM »
http://www.sublimefrequencies.com/item.asp?Item_id=68&cd=Ethnic-Minority-Music-of-Northwest-Xinjiang-(China)

Ethnic Minority Music of Northwest Xinjiang - Just got it. Central Asian music is amazing...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« on: June 26, 2010, 12:09:39 AM »
I am looking forward extremely to Mr. Rich's performance here in Seattle...any other forumites showing up here?

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I get curmudgeonly (more so than usual) when this topic comes up. Speaking strictly for myself, not interested in convincing anyone about anything, but my one small opinion is that downloads suck and will finally put music in its grave as far as people paying for it. I'm all for free downloads - and I will be a bastard here and say that if an album is released download only, it absolutely deserves to be traded for free on the net. I hate myself for saying that...

CDs are already degenerate enough. Weird collectors, people I know personally who don't even have a record player, have been known to buy a vinyl album release just for the art and luxuriant experience, and to buy a cd copy for the listening. So there are still the hardcore art/music fusion lovers out there.

I am heading to the house of some friends this evening, the house of metal dudes. They have a massive all vinyl collection stacked alluringly in their living room. Joyful hours are spent there poring over the elaborate 70's gatefold art while drinking in the sounds. This experience is quite fun, and compared to buying "air" for $9 off the internet, I know what I would choose.

Dear music makers, we (artists and musicians) need to start collaborating again like we did in ancient times. Let's make musical objects that people are actually willing to pay for, that can be enjoyed, touched, seen, and heard for years to come.

If you only have the wherewithal to release a download, you should rethink the idea of being paid for your music at all.

The divorce of music and art has not been finalized.

But that is one man's totally backward, out of step with the times, and perhaps idiotic opinion...



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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« on: June 06, 2010, 01:58:11 PM »
Reading Robert's tour blog and getting really excited for his Seattle show. I actually live within walking distance of the venue, which makes it even more exciting. I do so much walking in my neighborhood, it is cool to think that one of these strolls will lead to a Robert Rich show. Ambient music is about the only thing I really would like to see live. Bands are just too damn loud these days, all the enjoyment is stripped out of the sound. No band is worth damaging one's hearing over. Reading over Robert's tour blog there is a real sense of what a great guy he is. The fact that he is driving vast distances at to bring his music to the fans is impressive...

Anyone else on the forum going to the Portland or Seattle shows? I am considering the Portland shows, but might be too caught up in work.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: June 06, 2010, 01:14:30 PM »
Inoue/Namlook - Shades of Orion 2...such a great piece.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« on: June 05, 2010, 12:55:36 PM »
I can't wait to see Robert play when he comes to the Northwest. I have not yet seen a live show of electronic/ambient music, even though it is the majority of my home listening, but having listened to this music for years, I am certainly not expecting a bunch of musicians on stage wanking their instruments. That would be futile. I have somthing of an idea (from liner notes) of how this music is produced, and for me, going in to a live situation, I want to experience the sound itself, with the aritst present, directing with intention the sound toward the audience. To me it is the sound and the atmosphere that's important, not the stage antics of the performers. Live performance with a band is fake as well, with amps and effects extending the reach of the musicians. The excitement of their interaction might be interesting, but I would have to say that the most interesting live performance I've experienced was one old Chinese professor playing a guqin on a table alone for an hour. In terms of ambient, if the music is created by one person, it should legitimately be played by that same person. I know that the drum sounds are not 'real', I don't need to see someone slapping a drum to experience the emotion of the sound that's created. Imagine a concert like Steve Roach played in Grace Cathedral. That must have been awesome, the space alone was a contributor to the show...


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Glad you mentioned this. I've been on a FAX kick lately. Will certainly get this, can't get enough of the Tetsu sound...

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: May 16, 2010, 03:40:31 PM »
Inoue/Namlook, 62 Eulengasse - weird, dark, loving it so far.

Judas Priest, Stained Class - never thought I would say this, but Judas Priest really destroys on this one...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Tetsu Inoue
« on: May 16, 2010, 03:37:07 PM »
Got 62 Eulengasse, Shades of Orion 2, and Datacide II from Ear-rational. Eulengasse is fascinating so far, and the other two are awaiting deeper listens. It's great to get back into FAX (though mainly through the lens of Inoue's work), I like the funky design and fonts. Gives me an old school sensation. And it seems like almost anything Inoue gets involved in is magical...

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: May 05, 2010, 08:40:52 PM »
Datacide : Flowerhead. This is a truly weird and wonderful album.
Kiyoshi Mizutani : Scenery at the Border. This is an all time great double album of field recordings from Japan. Sometimes I get more out of a powerful field recording work like this than "deliberate" music. Powerful...

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Tetsu Inoue
« on: May 03, 2010, 04:24:29 PM »
Listened to Ambiant Otaku the other day and realized it is still one of my absolute favorites. It was one of the first ambient/electronic albums I bought, and surely one of the best. The bright, flowing tones, deep emotion, and the intelligence of it are remarkable. Brings back vivid memories of previous listenings. Also have been listening to and becoming in awe with Slow and Low, World Reciever, and Inland. Amazing works. I still would like to get a hold of Organic Cloud, but don't know if a reissue will happen soon. Does anyone know if this is still in print, or where to find it?

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Fiction in the Age of E-Books
« on: April 24, 2010, 12:30:55 AM »
Books are just words which are symbolic of reality, (or somebody's twisted take on it) the menu not the meal. I imagine there was a little outrage when the move from stone tablets to paper occurred.
Same for CDs and DVDs which are both artificial reality. I wouldn't get too caught up on which artificial medium reality (or altered reality) is represented on. Tonite  I'm going to watch Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon from '73 which I missed the first time around on the big screen medium. I also have the option to stream it online sans DVD but I only have broadband with Wi-Fi.

Ok, to get an idea of what I am talking about, imagine you are watching that Floyd video on a small black and white tv. Makes no difference, right? It's the medium, not the message, right? Now imagine how annoyed you would be at the diminished experience, watching that video, and ask yourself if it really is the message. This is how some people feel about books. Sure, the words are the same, but it's how they are presented, how they are printed on the page, the feel of the paper, the suppleness of the binding and the texture of the paper and cloth cover. It is not just the provenance of digital technology that can express itself in multiple ways. Things have a reality, they cannot be separated from their thingness. Being aware of this is an interesting dilemma. If you disagree, would you be just as happy with a tv half the size with terrible sound? Probably not. Now just transfer that same feeling to how someone might feel for a non-digital medium and it might make sense.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 23, 2010, 12:39:38 AM »
Datacide II (Inoue/Atom Heart)- Just reissued.

Where to get this one? I liked the other Datacide, Flowerhead.

Listening:
Ginormous - At Night, Under Artificial Light. Brilliant electronica.
Move D - Kunststoff. A lovely classic.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Fiction in the Age of E-Books
« on: April 23, 2010, 12:35:31 AM »
I agree Forrest, there is something magical about holding the physical object in one's hands. Especially a book. It is truly a talismanic object.

The other night I was talking with a writer and a designer who were zealously promoting all this e-crap. I adamantly stated that no matter how many gadgets they come up with, the book will remain an object of use and veneration, not to be supplanted. They disagreed, and I couldn't even argue with them because they were on such a different planet when it comes to the love of objects. I guess if it means nothing to you, you never will get it.

I think it is great that many mass market paperbacks and heavy textbooks could be efficiently switched to digital format, in order to save trees and provide "convenience", but the happy few will still crave for real quality books and all the pleasures that accompany them.

Sometimes it strikes me, and I hope I don't offend anyone, that many people have this manic, pointless obsession with reducing everything down to digital and screens. I spend a lot of time on my Mac, and enjoy it a lot (it's a huge part of my work and life), but I would like to keep some things that still have surface texture, that I can look at by candlelight, thumb through freely while smelling the pages

Why are some people so obsessed with getting even more staring-at-a-screen time?

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Everything and Nothing / Re: How do you do?
« on: March 19, 2010, 12:57:41 AM »
I had a monumental session of printing today and am enjoying glasses of beer. I enjoy this forum so much, and the regulars here. Wow, I lurked for a couple of years, then finally signed on when I moved to Seattle from China back in 2005. I remember the big crash when the posts were all wiped out. How many years ago was that? I've personally contacted one or two of you on the forum, but, inspired by this thread especially, I hope to become better aquainted with people here in the near future. Life is too short not to make more friends. And I am looking forward to meeting some forumites up here in the Northwest when Robert Rich comes to our area. My spare futon is open if anyone needs to crash in Seattle for the gig.

I compulsively check this forum, and get a little sad when the posts die out and things seem to go in hibernation. There has been good activity lately, it is now fun to check back in more frequently.

I used to be an English teacher, now I am studying printing and graphic design. It has taken over my life, and I get an immense amount of joy from doing it. This happiness keeps me fairly firmly rooted in Seattle, though I am deeply in love with the city of Portland, where I got to live for six months. Before that, I lived for years just travelling and working around the world.

Hypnos and ambient in general became a great part of my life in troubled times during these travels. Kept me grounded, for which I am thankful.


I will be highlighting artistic activities and such during the coming days. I like how the musicians here really get into it, but I want to start something for the artists and illustrators, and potentially get things going for audio/visual collaboration projects. To plug my work, I'd like to mention my brother's music at uccelloprojects.blogspot.com. Very good music and amazing letterpress packaging designed by myself and printed in Portland by Stumptown printers thanks to Mike's recommendation!

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Ylang
« on: March 19, 2010, 12:36:52 AM »
I've been listening to Ylang everyday since I received it, and my appreciation for it is great. I can agree that I wish Robert would indulge in deeper ambient works, but comparing this album to his drone based work doesn't really make sense. This album is absolutely great, I would say a classic, on its own. I do hope Robert's next album is a completely far out droney piece, but that in no way diminishes my enjoyment of this work. This kind of sound is rare these days, something so elaborate and indeed so musical, so well made. There is plenty of drone out there, but not enough albums like Ylang.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Ylang
« on: March 05, 2010, 04:05:27 AM »
Ylang is definitely more musically and rythmically structured than what could be called ambient. But it is unique in having an immense ambient sense in its background and foundation. This album will make you feel like you've been on a wonderful and extended journey though. I do hope for some more formless work in future Rich albums, but I am enjoying this for the masterful work that it is. So few, if any, albums like this are coming out these days. In fact, this album reminds me of Soma, the collaboration between Rich and Roach. It reminds me how well an ambient style album benefits from having outside voices to contribute. We need more of this type of collaborative effort, it brings out the best in all artists involved.

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Where can one acquire mini discs for burning? I'd love to find those red ones that Waterscape uses...

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