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Everything and Nothing / Re: Selling CDs in a Download Society
« on: April 23, 2009, 06:19:10 AM »
I remember in 1977 when I started visiting an independent record store in east London called Small Wonder, they also had their own label. The atmosphere was great, just poring over whole ranges of LPs from all sorts of odd places. Discovered kalus schulze there - cyborg and Irrlicht etc. Soon found out about Portabello road and went every weekend to go to the shops and stores just searching for new music...absolutely loved it, ended up with big collection (that I gave away when I started squatting)

HMV etc just dont have that vibe, I occasionally get excitement from coming across something by artists such as steve Roach or robert Rich and it does feel nice to see them, but ti is not an exciting prospect to go into them at all.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 22, 2009, 11:13:44 AM »
I think there are lots of aspects and sides to the discussion and I have to admit I'd not thought about second hand CDs in that lots to learn from.

I think my issue with the 'everything for free' comes from the perception that only by taking from others can everything be free and only in a wealthy and 'civilised' society are things organised in ways that make it possible to act on. Immersion said himself that if everyone in his country chose not to work it would collapse (I think thats what you meant).

Take it right back to basics - you find yourself on a desert island - how you going to survive? You've got to put your arse into it cos nothing is going to come for free. Even in modern society, someones effort has gone into making everything that might be taken for free - even the torrent websites need someones effort to exist.

There is an anarchist philosophy of (cant remember the exact quote) each from their means and according to their needs - but this was always based on co-creation. Some people grow food, others eat that food so they can make the clothes the farmers wear while working type of thing. The idea never envisaged swathes of society just sitting around and eating food made by others, wearing clothes made by others because they can. Accepted response of general population to such people was not pleasant....

I suppose, across generations, we may be talking about different ideas of respect, freedom, utopia - and I have had a long history of this type of discussion, including direct action/court cases and prison sentences based on those beliefs and even now they inform my work in that I put a lot of energy to help disadvantaged people left behind by the capitalist society.

I know I could not survive on my own and I would prefer not to take from people unless they are giving something away out of respect for them.

I don't exercise enough at present, but this spring have been walking more and done some reasonably heavy work in our daughters garden....

I hate 'doing' exercise, but have really enjoyed physical jobsin the past such as tree surgery and forestry - got very fit, very strong, had great stamina and worked in a stunning environment.....

Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 20, 2009, 12:41:15 PM »
I think CD is as likely 5to dissapear as vinyl was supposed to - mind you it is still impossible to make an vinyl in your 'office' or 'bedroom'

And I agree with Lena - just because we can do it does not mean we should - guns are getting easier to get hold of, but should we all have them?, let alone get them for free..... ;D

My last comment on this is that I respect Immersions 'right' to listen to free music, as long as he respects the 'rights' of those artists who don't want theirs available for nothing on the internet.....

Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 20, 2009, 01:11:20 AM »
Immersions comment that listeners/consumers have rights but artists do not is the basic assumption that throws everything out. Despite the possibility of language misunderstandings and the difference between 'younger' and 'older' generations I add my twopenny worth.

No One has any rights, rights are just agreements between 'civilised' people and when societies are basic and violent the concept does not exist. A right has no physical reality, Christ! it's only a few years ago that we would have all been sweeping chimneys or down mines at 7 years old - no time for rights then (I only mention this as evidence of statement, not wishing we were 'back' then or anything).....and within Immersions arguments anything that has no physical reality can be ignored. The 'right' to have music for free can be taken away as easily as the 'right' to life - just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Music may not hold any value because the internet, big companies or listeners devalue it, but just because the flow of information makes it so easy does not make it right. If someone managed to organise the flow of our belongings out of our homes that would not make that right either.

my disagreement is simple. I don't think things (music or otherwise) should be taken for free - if someone chooses to give something for free that is different...

Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: Now reading
« on: April 19, 2009, 11:33:05 AM »
Just learnt JG Ballard died this morning after a long illness. RIP.

Let's move any philosophical discussion on downloading pirated music, previews, samples, etc... To a different thread, please.

I was going to respond but these words of wisdom had the desired effect, after all this is a Steve Roach thread....

...and everyone's reports on the CD so far sound great - should order asap - but just ordered heroes series 1 and 2.....

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: How to create the Illusion...
« on: April 15, 2009, 11:58:56 AM »
I think this effect can be created a number of ways, sometimes its the techniques, sometimes the sounds, sometimes the effects and sometimes the playing.

I get that sense of falling from various pieces of music by various artists.

I also think, Immersion, that playing and exploring with your synths/effects/studio to find out how you like creating it is the best way to go - you may discover something the rest of us have missed.....

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 14, 2009, 12:39:18 AM »
oophoi - working through Time Fragments 1 - 6

Everything and Nothing / Re: Music, free or for sale ?
« on: April 13, 2009, 02:44:28 AM »
I think this will always be a swings and roundabouts issue - the pros and cons will change dependent on our situations and motivations. I don't do it for the money - and because of that I have not had the time or focus to put energy into doing what might be necessary to make money....I do enjoy getting feedback from people who have been touched by my music in some way.

for me 'fair exchange' is a better concept of what is important to me - and that can include swapping music, being paid money, or just knowing someone has a new favourite album, but this means interaction with individuals - I don't feel like putting things out there for 'free' in that sense yet - but may do in future.

I am also old fashioned in the sense that I don't like the modern tendency to expect everything for free as 'a right' or the consumptive tendencies that makes ring tones become 'music' and the amount of music or the lists of music on their Ipods more important than the music itself....I have downloaded free music that also includes the covers and information as I like to know something about who and why a piece of music came into existence. I know this last bit mixes threads a bit but it's part of what informs my choices in this area.

I think this excitement is essential....

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 07, 2009, 02:55:33 PM »
It's from Time Fragments Vol. 2 (it's the second track).

The whole disc is amazing - one of my favorite ambient journeys.

Gave this a spin this evening and really enjoyed it again....My favourite is The Changeling, but will spin a few more times to listen to The Last Farewell properly - rather than while doing something else.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:01:50 AM »
*Edit: To Seren:

It's from Time Fragments Vol. 2 (it's the second track).

The whole disc is amazing - one of my favorite ambient journeys.

I must dig that one out and give it a listen again, along with many of the others....

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 07, 2009, 06:26:59 AM »
O÷phoi - "The Last Farewell"

One of the most achingly beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.

What Cd is that from?

I listened to The White Noise - The Visitation, trrack from 'An Electric Storm' - released in 1969 - It's 40 years old...

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 06, 2009, 04:51:31 AM »
Steve Roach - labyrinth

Jeff pearce - Vestiges

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: April 05, 2009, 11:48:39 AM »
I've been putting excerpt clips onto my Atmoworks page just click on if you are interested

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 02, 2009, 01:02:31 PM »
Vidna Obmana - Memories Compiled Vol.1.

Steve Roach - Atmospheric Conditions.

Micheal Moorcock and the Deep Fix - New World's Fair.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 11:57:51 AM »
I don't like computers for creating music  - at least in the form I have seen and could afford - not counting out machines I've not had the pleasure to met.

I have a newish computer with Vista and it is a nightmare - everything is slow and it crashes and seizes like no computer I've had before - all since installing official updates and it took me a while to realise this and can't work out which installs to uninstall >:( >:( >:(

I echo the comment of getting the equipment you are inspired by....hopefully well all be inspired by the music at a later date

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: March 25, 2009, 05:02:08 PM »
Very Nice pics indeed Loren

Everything and Nothing / Re: Joke Thread
« on: March 24, 2009, 03:19:49 PM »
It's good to have a good hearty splutter every now and then  ;D ;D

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